Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. It's the Linux community calls any comment that isn't decisively pro-Linux.
Okay, that was a little harsh on my part, but the term has been rather overused in the last few months. Microsoft's anti-netscape practices were FUD... Bob Metcalfe is just opinionated:)
Well that's the big argument that people make right now. They say, "Well it'll still be GPL, so there's no way Suse or RedHat or Microsoft can ruin it for us". But that's not the point.
Just because it's GPL doesn't mean you'll want to use it. Just like everything else that works its way from the underground to the mainstream, Linux will lose it appeal to the people who originally made it popular and when that happens (and believe me, it will) those undergrounders will move on to the next big thing.
You hit the nail on the head when you said Hurd, because that's exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote what you responded to. When Linux becomes passe the same people who bash NT for crashing will begin bashing Linux for it's prehistoric architechture. It doesn't matter if the OS works fine for what it does (look at NT), people will still use propaganda to make it seem worthless and even evil.
The cycle is so simple, and yet people never see it.
You're right about one thing - people here are waaaay to hard on Microsoft. We need to just calm down and realize that they are a company trying to make money, just like any other. And big deal, their products are flawed just like any other. What this really boils down to it propaganda.
Seriously - we've talked so much trash about MS here that it's become ingrained in our heads that they are the minions of Satan. People cry out "Microsoft is trying to get rid of company XYZ". Well of course they are, XYZ is their competitor. Just because it's against the law doesn't mean its not human nature. EVERYONE wants to get rid of the competition.
And what bothers me more is that the Linux Community as a whole seems to be showing this too. Here at/. you're either part of the solution or you're flaimbait. Anyone who praises MS or critiques Open Source gets moderated down. There doesn't seem to be any room to share.
I'm about to get a new PC and with 27 gigs of hard drive space, you can bet your ass that I'm going to put Win98, Linux, AND WinNT on it. Because you know what? I enjoy some of MS's products. I'm writing this from IE5.0 and it's just flat out better than Navigator ever will be. Hell, Wordpad basically blows AbiWord out of the water.
Now I'm just ranting, but listen - I love Linux and I love Free Software even more. It's flexibility and freedom cannot be beaten. However - and this is for the "World Domination" people out there - you don't want what you're asking for. The day that 90% of the PCs on this planet run Linux is the day that you start running NetBSD. Or some other, less popular, OS.
Because the real driving force behind Linux isn't any of the crap that Raymond or Perens wail about. Don't kid yourselves guys, it isn't. It's the fact that NOBODY ELSE USES IT! It's the idea that you're trendy and the other fellow who runs MS stuff is just a "windoze luser". And when he finally becomes a "linux luser", you'll move on to greener pastures - I guarantee it.
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It's easier to shoot yourself in the foot trying to do what C++ does in C. Protected class members make it much easier to keep your code as OO as possible.
I know as well as anyone else that Slashdot is a page for Linux geeks more than anything (that's why I come here) but that -1 was uncalled for.
If the sentence had been "Again Micros~1 copying other's work, not innovation", nobody would've thought twice about it. Aren't moderators supposed to be unbiased about content? C'mon guys, read the moderator FAQ.
Well the page seems to indicate that he's offloaded the digital-to-audio conversion to his receiver using optical audio output, so yeah. But if your soundcard is a decent one, you shouldn't really be hearing much interferance... And at 256 kbps, you're getting as much quality as possible. Are you using DAE to rip the songs off CDs or are you copying them through the soundcard?
Emachines are definitely not targetted at people who can build their own systems. It's for the "little people" who don't need a powerhouse, just something to do their homework and check their Juno email with:)
Sure, they're pieces of crap, but you pay for what you get.
I dunno, but this seems like a huge improvement. I'm running with only 32 megs of RAM so any memory sucking is very apparent to me... This release seems a whole lot lighter than the older versions. I'm starting to get excited - Our little baby Mozilla is all grown up!
Oh yeah, NT is such a horrible OS... C'mon, get real. It's a decent system and, even if it weren't, the "holes" in the Windows system that these crackers are exploiting aren't really holes at all.
BackOrifice is nothing more than a version of pcAnywhere that runs invisibly (more or less). This could actually be a decent remote administration tool if it weren't built to be used covertly.
And as for their claims that it's all to promote good security - Bullshit. It's such an ego-trip for them to think that people are worried about apps that *they* wrote. The fact of the matter is that their software doesn't do anything spectacular or innovative - it's just destructive. Olivetti Labs in England wrote something very similar under the name of VNC. It's for remote control of PCs. No one talks about them being at the forefront of security because they're doing it for the usefulness of the program, not the publicity.
The Cult of the Dead Cow (JESUS! What a friggin script-kid name!!) should all be shot.
Of course, that's just my opinion - I could be wrong.
Your grandfather runs an OS that comes with a telnet daemon? Don't answer that - you'll probably lie anyway. The point is that the other poster's grandfather more than likely doesn't. He represents the "average joe" who, right now, uses Windows. Most of these people don't even know what an IP address is, so why would an ISP want the added hassle of keeping track of which one belongs to what customer? Regardless of how many Addresses we have available, dynamic addressing is still more viable than static for most providers.
There's nothing sleazy about that. VA and RedHat don't compete at all. Hell, I'm sure you can buy a VA system with RedHat on it. The fact that he's going to work for another company, in the "same industry" as you call it, just proves that he loves working in Linux environments.
I say let the guy do whatever the hell he wants to. It's a free country and he's doing his part to make parts of it a little free-er.
Their distro might, but it's the installation that everyone keeps bitching about. I'm a pretty well-rounded computer user and things like clockchip settings scare the hell out of me. I don't even think it's unreasonable for the installation program (of a Newbie-Linux distro) to expect that an entire drive me allotted to Linux. It's simply easier that way. One less choice for a user is one less problem they can run into. And that's one less call to tech-support, something that Linux has yet to really shine in.
How is this any better than what we had before? Seriously, the idea that just because something is GUI, it's better, is ridiculous. Just looking at these screens I can tell that the installation is *just* as complex as it's ever been.
A real improvement would be an installation that didn't make the user feel stupid. Things like clock settings and monitor refresh rates have to get the boot. They're fine for people who want them there, but in installation that are meant for the everyday user, they are simply too complicated.
These Linux companies need to rethink their strategy - they can't aim to please both the expert Linux community and the newbies. Look at Windows NT: It's not exactly easy to install (and it's not even GUI for the most part) but that doesn't matter because morons are installing it. Sysadmins are (okay, so some of them are morons). It's all about niche markets, and for some reason none of these companies understand that.
Although I don't doubt the MS is getting ready to release Win2K for 64-bits, I was under the impression that Linux was 64-bit clean already. I've never had one, but I seem to remember reading an article where Linus said that people who wanted Linux boxes with more than 1 gig of memory should move to the Alpha platform, specifically because it was 64-bit. Maybe I'm just a moron...
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Sure, the idea of the factoid is great, but there's nothing to stop worthless information from ending up in your collection. In fact, what this really becomes is a little WWW. You'd walk past a building in a city and a hundred little ads would be shoved into your Factoid, while maybe one would be an actually worthwhile piece of information about something relevant to what you're doing.
The Factoid isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It's just a bad model for information sharing, plain and simple. The whole world of Factoids would inevitably become swamped with advertising and all the other crap that we've become acustomed to in EVERY other free network in the work (i.e. Radio, Television, the Internet).
Yeah, that's right - all our schools are trying to brainwash the children! Quick - get them out while you can! It's a huge conspiracy! Run for the hills! Join a militia! Marry your sister!
Get real. School is about education. It's unfortunate that some of the things we learn there are a little biased, but hey - that's life, not evil intentions.
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Man, that was totally uncalled for. Didn't your mother ever teach you manners?
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Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
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It's the Linux community calls any comment that isn't decisively pro-Linux.
Okay, that was a little harsh on my part, but the term has been rather overused in the last few months. Microsoft's anti-netscape practices were FUD... Bob Metcalfe is just opinionated
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But they don't have English classes? Sorry, I'm just giving you hard time - from what I've heard, Sweden sounds pretty awesome.
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Do other industries have these periods of IPO frenzy too?
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Um, they already gave us XFS, didn't they? We just haven't used it yet.\
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Well that's the big argument that people make right now. They say, "Well it'll still be GPL, so there's no way Suse or RedHat or Microsoft can ruin it for us". But that's not the point.
Just because it's GPL doesn't mean you'll want to use it. Just like everything else that works its way from the underground to the mainstream, Linux will lose it appeal to the people who originally made it popular and when that happens (and believe me, it will) those undergrounders will move on to the next big thing.
You hit the nail on the head when you said Hurd, because that's exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote what you responded to. When Linux becomes passe the same people who bash NT for crashing will begin bashing Linux for it's prehistoric architechture. It doesn't matter if the OS works fine for what it does (look at NT), people will still use propaganda to make it seem worthless and even evil.
The cycle is so simple, and yet people never see it.
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You're right about one thing - people here are waaaay to hard on Microsoft. We need to just calm down and realize that they are a company trying to make money, just like any other. And big deal, their products are flawed just like any other. What this really boils down to it propaganda.
/. you're either part of the solution or you're flaimbait. Anyone who praises MS or critiques Open Source gets moderated down. There doesn't seem to be any room to share.
Seriously - we've talked so much trash about MS here that it's become ingrained in our heads that they are the minions of Satan. People cry out "Microsoft is trying to get rid of company XYZ". Well of course they are, XYZ is their competitor. Just because it's against the law doesn't mean its not human nature. EVERYONE wants to get rid of the competition.
And what bothers me more is that the Linux Community as a whole seems to be showing this too. Here at
I'm about to get a new PC and with 27 gigs of hard drive space, you can bet your ass that I'm going to put Win98, Linux, AND WinNT on it. Because you know what? I enjoy some of MS's products. I'm writing this from IE5.0 and it's just flat out better than Navigator ever will be. Hell, Wordpad basically blows AbiWord out of the water.
Now I'm just ranting, but listen - I love Linux and I love Free Software even more. It's flexibility and freedom cannot be beaten. However - and this is for the "World Domination" people out there - you don't want what you're asking for. The day that 90% of the PCs on this planet run Linux is the day that you start running NetBSD. Or some other, less popular, OS.
Because the real driving force behind Linux isn't any of the crap that Raymond or Perens wail about. Don't kid yourselves guys, it isn't. It's the fact that NOBODY ELSE USES IT! It's the idea that you're trendy and the other fellow who runs MS stuff is just a "windoze luser". And when he finally becomes a "linux luser", you'll move on to greener pastures - I guarantee it.
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It's easier to shoot yourself in the foot trying to do what C++ does in C. Protected class members make it much easier to keep your code as OO as possible.
Yeah, Time travel and temporal telepathy... Those are viable archiving formats. Say, do you think my DAT is compatible with those?
I know as well as anyone else that Slashdot is a page for Linux geeks more than anything (that's why I come here) but that -1 was uncalled for.
If the sentence had been "Again Micros~1 copying other's work, not innovation", nobody would've thought twice about it. Aren't moderators supposed to be unbiased about content? C'mon guys, read the moderator FAQ.
Well the page seems to indicate that he's offloaded the digital-to-audio conversion to his receiver using optical audio output, so yeah. But if your soundcard is a decent one, you shouldn't really be hearing much interferance... And at 256 kbps, you're getting as much quality as possible. Are you using DAE to rip the songs off CDs or are you copying them through the soundcard?
It's a typo - deal with it. The word is spelled P-E-N-G-U-I-N. There's no Q in it.
Emachines are definitely not targetted at people who can build their own systems. It's for the "little people" who don't need a powerhouse, just something to do their homework and check their Juno email with :)
Sure, they're pieces of crap, but you pay for what you get.
I dunno, but this seems like a huge improvement. I'm running with only 32 megs of RAM so any memory sucking is very apparent to me... This release seems a whole lot lighter than the older versions. I'm starting to get excited - Our little baby Mozilla is all grown up!
They did port NetShow to linux. It was a piece of crap, but it worked.
Oh yeah, NT is such a horrible OS... C'mon, get real. It's a decent system and, even if it weren't, the "holes" in the Windows system that these crackers are exploiting aren't really holes at all.
BackOrifice is nothing more than a version of pcAnywhere that runs invisibly (more or less). This could actually be a decent remote administration tool if it weren't built to be used covertly.
And as for their claims that it's all to promote good security - Bullshit. It's such an ego-trip for them to think that people are worried about apps that *they* wrote. The fact of the matter is that their software doesn't do anything spectacular or innovative - it's just destructive. Olivetti Labs in England wrote something very similar under the name of VNC. It's for remote control of PCs. No one talks about them being at the forefront of security because they're doing it for the usefulness of the program, not the publicity.
The Cult of the Dead Cow (JESUS! What a friggin script-kid name!!) should all be shot.
Of course, that's just my opinion - I could be wrong.
Your grandfather runs an OS that comes with a telnet daemon? Don't answer that - you'll probably lie anyway. The point is that the other poster's grandfather more than likely doesn't. He represents the "average joe" who, right now, uses Windows. Most of these people don't even know what an IP address is, so why would an ISP want the added hassle of keeping track of which one belongs to what customer? Regardless of how many Addresses we have available, dynamic addressing is still more viable than static for most providers.
There's nothing sleazy about that. VA and RedHat don't compete at all. Hell, I'm sure you can buy a VA system with RedHat on it. The fact that he's going to work for another company, in the "same industry" as you call it, just proves that he loves working in Linux environments.
I say let the guy do whatever the hell he wants to. It's a free country and he's doing his part to make parts of it a little free-er.
Their distro might, but it's the installation that everyone keeps bitching about. I'm a pretty well-rounded computer user and things like clockchip settings scare the hell out of me. I don't even think it's unreasonable for the installation program (of a Newbie-Linux distro) to expect that an entire drive me allotted to Linux. It's simply easier that way. One less choice for a user is one less problem they can run into. And that's one less call to tech-support, something that Linux has yet to really shine in.
How is this any better than what we had before? Seriously, the idea that just because something is GUI, it's better, is ridiculous. Just looking at these screens I can tell that the installation is *just* as complex as it's ever been.
A real improvement would be an installation that didn't make the user feel stupid. Things like clock settings and monitor refresh rates have to get the boot. They're fine for people who want them there, but in installation that are meant for the everyday user, they are simply too complicated.
These Linux companies need to rethink their strategy - they can't aim to please both the expert Linux community and the newbies. Look at Windows NT: It's not exactly easy to install (and it's not even GUI for the most part) but that doesn't matter because morons are installing it. Sysadmins are (okay, so some of them are morons). It's all about niche markets, and for some reason none of these companies understand that.
Although I don't doubt the MS is getting ready to release Win2K for 64-bits, I was under the impression that Linux was 64-bit clean already. I've never had one, but I seem to remember reading an article where Linus said that people who wanted Linux boxes with more than 1 gig of memory should move to the Alpha platform, specifically because it was 64-bit. Maybe I'm just a moron...
Sure, the idea of the factoid is great, but there's nothing to stop worthless information from ending up in your collection. In fact, what this really becomes is a little WWW. You'd walk past a building in a city and a hundred little ads would be shoved into your Factoid, while maybe one would be an actually worthwhile piece of information about something relevant to what you're doing.
The Factoid isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It's just a bad model for information sharing, plain and simple. The whole world of Factoids would inevitably become swamped with advertising and all the other crap that we've become acustomed to in EVERY other free network in the work (i.e. Radio, Television, the Internet).
Yeah, that's right - all our schools are trying to brainwash the children! Quick - get them out while you can! It's a huge conspiracy! Run for the hills! Join a militia! Marry your sister!
Get real. School is about education. It's unfortunate that some of the things we learn there are a little biased, but hey - that's life, not evil intentions.