curious. after looking at the pdf from one of the mirrors, i wondered why the oddball metric measurements- and the answer is they're conversions from english. it's an even 10.5" deep, +/-.01". all the other dimensions are based around english measurements, too, and have variances of 1/100 of an inch or.25 millimeter.
i presume this is for case compatibility, and existing case have slots that work out that way, too, so to avoid having to make a new case that replaces ATX, this is the compromise.
i wonder though- does this hurt manufacturing in the long run? is it harder for foreign factories to make something that fits *precisely* because of this? having spent much time over the years fighting to make things fit, especially cards, is it time to go to a more exact metric squaring?
or when manufacturing, does it really matter? is 266.7 mm just as easy to attain as 270?
some of you mechanical engineers, feel free to add.
it's going to be difficult not to find things like this happening what with only two real companies. here's hoping that the same thing doesn't happen in the future with doom. however, as long as the games work, regardless of which card you choose, doesn't matter in the end. i think this might be one case where microsoft is helping rather than hurting- were it not for directx, i think we'd be in a really confusing situation. i sure don't miss dos games.
i can't believe i said that about microsoft. ah well.
while that is possible, it's not a guarantee. there's a lot of us who grew up before video games who have it. and before you ask, i did watch tv, but not much. mom limited me to mr. rogers, pretty much. most of my stimuli came from playing with friends, and reading. we got our first game system when i was in the 7th grade- and pong wasn't exactly huge in the stimulation field...
life in general does give more stimuli today, that's for sure. but life today also means ingesting god knows how many chemicals that didn't exist 150 years ago, too.
there are undoubtedly many factors at work here- but the brains of add people DO work differently.
ADD, like anything else, is a continuum. there are worse cases, there are milder cases. some kids can't sit still, some can't focus but can sit still, etc. some of this borders on asperger's, too. i was add from early on- diagnosed at 3, after being thought of as autistic. i fidgeted a bit, but mostly just couldn't keep up concentration on a subject- unless it was something i was trying to figure out. once i was shown, and helped, and learned how to do something, the concentration issue went away. my whole life has been trying something, not doing it well, then internalizing that for the next go-round, when i could do it well. as i said in another post, computers were a godsend. here was something that could give me constant feedback, and yet was also like a puzzle. but the thing that really helped me more than anything was patient teachers- except for my 3rd grade one, who didn't like it when i corrected her spelling- and patient parents. yelling and beatings won't cure ADD.
okay, i don't have time to dismiss this completely, but let's address this:
1) stern beatings. yes, that works well when your mind can't concentrate. beatings work real well at fixing those chemical imbalances. i don't rule out corporal punishment- but it's not going to stop a kid from fidgeting.
2) add/adhd bullshit. while there is a larger prevalence today- just like there's more autism- it's always been here. mom can remember kids who were smart and talented- but just not good at that sitting in a desk thing. one of those kids in her class- in a farming community- went on to be a cowboy. some of those kids learned they could selfmedicate through caffeine.
the key thing that might be different today is the amount of time that gets invested in children by parents. a prescription of ritalin does not cure the problem- it just makes it possible to fix it, through behavior modification, practice, discipline, and patience. and that means both parents, and the teachers. it takes work, unfortunately. there is no quick fix.
okay, i'm a.d.d.- and that's one of the reasons i like working with computers. computers give feedback, constantly. they don't get bored- but neither are they capricious. (well, that's a simplification, to be sure, but...) and video games are the same thing- although, they can be even more addictive. now, i am not universally sucked in- nowadays, i have to work hard to keep interest up through boring patches, like with KOTOR. but, i grew up with the atari system, when games were much simpler. i submit to you that today's kids don't necessarily see new games as any more complicated than i saw my atari.
point is, ANY device that could give feedback, puzzles, and challenges, to add kids, will naturally suck them in.
unfortunately, as somebody pointed out simply above, cause and effect are to be called into question. this also won't help the gamer's situations, when confronted by the same people who are overdiagnosing add.
ah well. it's a constant battle, fighting stupidity...
at a local independent record store, and having paid $18 for the privilege of owning something i have been listening to for a month, i say it's a step in the right direction.
i really like the sound of cd's vs. mp3s, and do buy them- but at $18 a pop? it does limit me. that $12.98 should translate to $12, which is still about $3 more than they should cost, if one extrapolates the price of vinyl. but, it's a start in the right direction.
most minirouter/firewall/cable modem sharers use 192.168.0.0/24, that i've seen. works fine if you've under 254 hosts.
but most large internal networks do use 10/8, 10/16, or 10/24- it is a lot cleaner to setup, and does allow some neat organizational capabilities. i used 10/16 back in 97 when i set up my school district's WAN, and is still being used too.
in times past, an argument might have been made for 172.whatever/16-23, because the larger subnets are "slower" on a network- but we've got switches, so who cares! 10/16 it is! printers on one "class C"! english teachers on another! ip#s for all!
sorry, 10dot networks get me all fired up. we're still trying to get all of our state's districts behind a firewall, and i evangelize...
1) i can't tell if the bandwidth of these things is really an issue. 6 channels at cd quality comes to 4.233 megabits. 192/24/6= 27 megabits. so it would seem that regular usb would be too slow, i guess, but that's in the spec of several of the usb audio boxes, so i just don't know what's going on. 2) usb would certainly remove grounding, computer noise, etc., but so would optical digital connections. i have my stereo hooked up to a pc with a terratec aureon 7.1 space card, about $150us, and my connection has never sounded better. it passes through dvd audio with no probs, and, for my vinyl-to-digital needs, it has digital in AND out on the back of the card. i would have gone with a creative, but they don't have such specs, and the cheapest other card i found that did was $400. it also has support in the linux kernel, which i'll be testing after i build a new music & video machine. actually, i think i might whip out knoppix here in a moment... oh, it also looks very well made. everything is labeled nicely, too. 3) the dominance of creative is not good, i don't think, but i can't think of any way to help the situation. i would have bought one had they had what i needed...
There is no place on earth, except possibly the Himalayas- haven't been, yet- that compares to the sheer majesty of the grand canyon. words or pictures can't describe it. it is truly the most awesome thing i have ever seen in my entire life. i've been from one end of america to the other, and nothing compares- yosemite, yellowstone, grand tetons, all pale in comparison. if you can, spend more than a day there, and go down into it. that said, there's lots of other cool thing to do in northern arizona, too. there's a thread up above that discusses that, but i wanted to be SURE that you saw this.
other places have been mentioned. california has tons of cool things to see, geek and non-geek. i grew up in central california, and santa barbara is about the prettiest town in the us.
washington dc and the smithsonian are mustsees, of course. the air and space is cool, of course, but the natural history and us history museums are nice, too. the us history has a slight section on us computer tech, but TONS of cool galleries on other types of tech. depending on when you're here, you might also get to see the new air and space adjunct museum out at dulles airport.
cape canaveral is way cool, too- i was born there, so i'm prejudiced.
can't say too much about tech here in athens, ga, but it's a cool college town.
Somebody please mod that up. Please. Amen to that.
Only in the last 5 years, say, do we have teachers that can show others how to integrate the technology. And they are only effective if they can be allowed the time to teach without being hamstrung by hardware problem solving. Near me is Gwinnett county schools. Each elementary has at least one integrator and one techie. Now, the integrators do help with troubleshooting, but for the most part, the two each do their appropriate mission. Gwinnett is the exception. That's probably between $70k and $100k per year per school. Very few schools or districts can afford that. Heck, in our area, they can't afford to pay substitutes so that teachers can be out of the classroom for 7 days to take our integration courses. And that's 7 days spread over several months, too. Teaching teachers, after their full day of teaching, is marvelously ineffective. Using computers correctly in education will cost money. We're fairly lucky in Georgia that at least for the past 6 or so years, we've been able to get some quality instruction done- but with the tight budgets, that gets harder and harder to justify...
a) yes, people should learn how to do it by hand first. amen. people also should learn their times tables and how to divide longhand. i'm with ya. however, i think after that point has been reached, there are some legit educational uses for a graphing program or calculator.
b) i came along after all the fancy calculators came out, and didn't use them in college, so i can't speak for anything but their use in K-12. it would not surprise me that they are better suited at a higher level than general software on a palm- but for algebra on up to calc ab, i have seen some decent palm software. hadn't really thought about illicit note usage, but i betcha there's a way you can lock a palm into using only one program. note: i thought i was hip with my casio that did integrals and derivatives- and never learned RPN. so i might not be nerdy enough to really comment.
c) i'm flabbergasted that the AP Calc exam requires a grpahing calculator. Why? What on earth for? Granted, i took mine in '85, and maybe there's been a change in what's required or taught, but i sure wouldn't think so.
It still hasn't killed my zeal, but it does get tough. It's the only industry left in this country that is perpetually understaffed with regard to IT staff. How many 1,500 employee person corporations would have a 5 person IT department?
My personal pet peeve is graphing calculators. Why pay over a $100 for a calculator, when for the same money you can get a palm and load on graphing calculator software?
Only in the last several years has there been a clear move to use the computer as an integrated tool, and not to use it as a reward or a game machine.
Disclaimer: I work at a regional center in Georgia that teaches such integration.
Towards that end, I've seen a lot of neat uses. It takes more than just a powerpoint slideshow to actually enhance learning, though. Having the students do research and then create their own powerpoint is more effective. (as long as they don't use a sound effect for every letter entry...)
The key element is to get the students involved. The instructor can use a tool such as Inspiration to do concept outlines, and then make those available as notes.
Is that fiber to the classroom, or just between closets? Fiber to the classroom is still overkill, but between closets is certainly not unreasonable, especially since it'll give plenty of bandwidth for growth.
i could be wrong, of course, but looking at the website seems to indicate to me they're talking about Consumer Electronics, not windows CE. does sony make any windows CE devices? i don't think they do. in any case, this doesn't mean that microsoft could lawyer 'em to death over the name.
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you're right, i meant 10Gbps ethernet. Wrong layer.;)
guess i should have checked it before i posted. shame on me.
honestly, what's the big deal? help please.
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i read this when it was on fark the other day, and i had to wonder what the big deal was. the speed worked out to be slightly lower than 10 gigabits. bearing that in mind, isn't 10 gigabit TCP in the getting-done stages? i don't know, maybe i missed something 'golly-gee' about this. this just seemed superfluous.
still very accurate. once upon a time, i lived next door to one of the members of drivin 'n cryin, at the height of their popularity, and this is EXACTLY the situation they were in- and they were on the more artist-friendly island records. it seems you either have to do it all yourself, and jam econo a la mike watt, or become huge. i'm glad more bands are realizing that jamming econo will enable them to keep going.
google for steve albini's math if you don't know what i'm referring to.
Two names there that don't get enough credit. Both will stretch your mind, and both do stuff that runs along the border of SF & Literature. Morrow is the most savagely satiric writer i've ever read. His Godhead trilogy (google for it) is so full of humanity, that summarizing it (what happens after god's body crashes to earth) is trivializing to the nth degree. Although I would say that any of his stuff is brilliant, good starting points are the trilogy and the book of short stories, "Bible Stories for Adults" Michael Bishop's work encompasses both straight and SF subjects. My favorite is entitled "Brittle Innings" and is about minor league baseball during WW II- but there's a twist. "Close Encounters with the Deity" is a book of short stories all dealing with religion in SF. Finally, for pure humorous writing, do check out Chris Moore. While it's not SF, or even really fantasy, it's absolutely hilarious stuff with a touch of the fantastic. "Practical Demonkeeping" is a great starting point.
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It's not exclusive. they have an official windows version now. not to mention all the unofficial unix clients.
They didn't have any more info than the press release did, though. They had 1-2 week availability listed. So it's $100 cheaper than the same size ipod, with USB connectivity and WMA capability.
okay, i've never squawked about moderation before, but here goes:
that's not flamebait. flamebait would be *complaining* that they used portions of the bsd tcp/ip code in win2k etc. flamebait would be imprecating them for that. flamebait would be using a dirty name or word. flamebait would be insulting the bsd license that allows such use.
i did none of the above.
i just simply stated what the only connection i know of between the two was. i suppose i could get linkage to illustrate, but it's pretty common knowledge.
i don't know if they currently use the stack in xp. haven't tried ftp on it.
i am still curious to know what commitment microsoft has to bsd. i've never heard of such a thing. they've had an off-and-on commitment to SCO (flamebait warning: yuck.) but that's the closest they come, i think.
microsoft has a commitment to freebsd? did i miss the memo? the only thing i know that connects microsoft to freebsd is the fact that they used portions of the tcp/ip code in win2k.
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curious. after looking at the pdf from one of the mirrors, i wondered why the oddball metric measurements- and the answer is they're conversions from english. it's an even 10.5" deep, +/- .01". .25 millimeter.
all the other dimensions are based around english measurements, too, and have variances of 1/100 of an inch or
i presume this is for case compatibility, and existing case have slots that work out that way, too, so to avoid having to make a new case that replaces ATX, this is the compromise.
i wonder though- does this hurt manufacturing in the long run? is it harder for foreign factories to make something that fits *precisely* because of this? having spent much time over the years fighting to make things fit, especially cards, is it time to go to a more exact metric squaring?
or when manufacturing, does it really matter? is 266.7 mm just as easy to attain as 270?
some of you mechanical engineers, feel free to add.
it's going to be difficult not to find things like this happening what with only two real companies.
here's hoping that the same thing doesn't happen in the future with doom.
however, as long as the games work, regardless of which card you choose, doesn't matter in the end. i think this might be one case where microsoft is helping rather than hurting- were it not for directx, i think we'd be in a really confusing situation. i sure don't miss dos games.
i can't believe i said that about microsoft. ah well.
but labeling stuff as 'bullshit' is part of the same easy-answer philosophy that figures drugs alone will solve problem.
laziness is easy. work is hard.
while that is possible, it's not a guarantee. there's a lot of us who grew up before video games who have it.
and before you ask, i did watch tv, but not much. mom limited me to mr. rogers, pretty much. most of my stimuli came from playing with friends, and reading. we got our first game system when i was in the 7th grade- and pong wasn't exactly huge in the stimulation field...
life in general does give more stimuli today, that's for sure. but life today also means ingesting god knows how many chemicals that didn't exist 150 years ago, too.
there are undoubtedly many factors at work here- but the brains of add people DO work differently.
ADD, like anything else, is a continuum. there are worse cases, there are milder cases. some kids can't sit still, some can't focus but can sit still, etc.
some of this borders on asperger's, too.
i was add from early on- diagnosed at 3, after being thought of as autistic. i fidgeted a bit, but mostly just couldn't keep up concentration on a subject- unless it was something i was trying to figure out. once i was shown, and helped, and learned how to do something, the concentration issue went away. my whole life has been trying something, not doing it well, then internalizing that for the next go-round, when i could do it well.
as i said in another post, computers were a godsend. here was something that could give me constant feedback, and yet was also like a puzzle.
but the thing that really helped me more than anything was patient teachers- except for my 3rd grade one, who didn't like it when i corrected her spelling- and patient parents.
yelling and beatings won't cure ADD.
okay, i don't have time to dismiss this completely, but let's address this:
1) stern beatings. yes, that works well when your mind can't concentrate. beatings work real well at fixing those chemical imbalances. i don't rule out corporal punishment- but it's not going to stop a kid from fidgeting.
2) add/adhd bullshit. while there is a larger prevalence today- just like there's more autism- it's always been here. mom can remember kids who were smart and talented- but just not good at that sitting in a desk thing. one of those kids in her class- in a farming community- went on to be a cowboy. some of those kids learned they could selfmedicate through caffeine.
the key thing that might be different today is the amount of time that gets invested in children by parents. a prescription of ritalin does not cure the problem- it just makes it possible to fix it, through behavior modification, practice, discipline, and patience. and that means both parents, and the teachers. it takes work, unfortunately. there is no quick fix.
okay, i'm a.d.d.- and that's one of the reasons i like working with computers. computers give feedback, constantly. they don't get bored- but neither are they capricious. (well, that's a simplification, to be sure, but...)
and video games are the same thing- although, they can be even more addictive.
now, i am not universally sucked in- nowadays, i have to work hard to keep interest up through boring patches, like with KOTOR. but, i grew up with the atari system, when games were much simpler.
i submit to you that today's kids don't necessarily see new games as any more complicated than i saw my atari.
point is, ANY device that could give feedback, puzzles, and challenges, to add kids, will naturally suck them in.
unfortunately, as somebody pointed out simply above, cause and effect are to be called into question. this also won't help the gamer's situations, when confronted by the same people who are overdiagnosing add.
ah well. it's a constant battle, fighting stupidity...
at a local independent record store, and having paid $18 for the privilege of owning something i have been listening to for a month, i say it's a step in the right direction.
i really like the sound of cd's vs. mp3s, and do buy them- but at $18 a pop? it does limit me. that $12.98 should translate to $12, which is still about $3 more than they should cost, if one extrapolates the price of vinyl. but, it's a start in the right direction.
most minirouter/firewall/cable modem sharers use 192.168.0.0/24, that i've seen. works fine if you've under 254 hosts.
but most large internal networks do use 10/8, 10/16, or 10/24- it is a lot cleaner to setup, and does allow some neat organizational capabilities. i used 10/16 back in 97 when i set up my school district's WAN, and is still being used too.
in times past, an argument might have been made for 172.whatever/16-23, because the larger subnets are "slower" on a network- but we've got switches, so who cares! 10/16 it is! printers on one "class C"! english teachers on another! ip#s for all!
sorry, 10dot networks get me all fired up. we're still trying to get all of our state's districts behind a firewall, and i evangelize...
1) i can't tell if the bandwidth of these things is really an issue. 6 channels at cd quality comes to 4.233 megabits. 192/24/6= 27 megabits. so it would seem that regular usb would be too slow, i guess, but that's in the spec of several of the usb audio boxes, so i just don't know what's going on.
2) usb would certainly remove grounding, computer noise, etc., but so would optical digital connections. i have my stereo hooked up to a pc with a terratec aureon 7.1 space card, about $150us, and my connection has never sounded better.
it passes through dvd audio with no probs, and, for my vinyl-to-digital needs, it has digital in AND out on the back of the card.
i would have gone with a creative, but they don't have such specs, and the cheapest other card i found that did was $400.
it also has support in the linux kernel, which i'll be testing after i build a new music & video machine. actually, i think i might whip out knoppix here in a moment...
oh, it also looks very well made. everything is labeled nicely, too.
3) the dominance of creative is not good, i don't think, but i can't think of any way to help the situation. i would have bought one had they had what i needed...
There is no place on earth, except possibly the Himalayas- haven't been, yet- that compares to the sheer majesty of the grand canyon. words or pictures can't describe it. it is truly the most awesome thing i have ever seen in my entire life. i've been from one end of america to the other, and nothing compares- yosemite, yellowstone, grand tetons, all pale in comparison. if you can, spend more than a day there, and go down into it.
that said, there's lots of other cool thing to do in northern arizona, too. there's a thread up above that discusses that, but i wanted to be SURE that you saw this.
other places have been mentioned. california has tons of cool things to see, geek and non-geek. i grew up in central california, and santa barbara is about the prettiest town in the us.
washington dc and the smithsonian are mustsees, of course. the air and space is cool, of course, but the natural history and us history museums are nice, too. the us history has a slight section on us computer tech, but TONS of cool galleries on other types of tech. depending on when you're here, you might also get to see the new air and space adjunct museum out at dulles airport.
cape canaveral is way cool, too- i was born there, so i'm prejudiced.
can't say too much about tech here in athens, ga, but it's a cool college town.
Somebody please mod that up. Please. Amen to that.
Only in the last 5 years, say, do we have teachers that can show others how to integrate the technology. And they are only effective if they can be allowed the time to teach without being hamstrung by hardware problem solving.
Near me is Gwinnett county schools. Each elementary has at least one integrator and one techie. Now, the integrators do help with troubleshooting, but for the most part, the two each do their appropriate mission.
Gwinnett is the exception. That's probably between $70k and $100k per year per school. Very few schools or districts can afford that.
Heck, in our area, they can't afford to pay substitutes so that teachers can be out of the classroom for 7 days to take our integration courses. And that's 7 days spread over several months, too. Teaching teachers, after their full day of teaching, is marvelously ineffective.
Using computers correctly in education will cost money. We're fairly lucky in Georgia that at least for the past 6 or so years, we've been able to get some quality instruction done- but with the tight budgets, that gets harder and harder to justify...
a) yes, people should learn how to do it by hand first. amen. people also should learn their times tables and how to divide longhand. i'm with ya.
however, i think after that point has been reached, there are some legit educational uses for a graphing program or calculator.
b) i came along after all the fancy calculators came out, and didn't use them in college, so i can't speak for anything but their use in K-12. it would not surprise me that they are better suited at a higher level than general software on a palm- but for algebra on up to calc ab, i have seen some decent palm software.
hadn't really thought about illicit note usage, but i betcha there's a way you can lock a palm into using only one program.
note: i thought i was hip with my casio that did integrals and derivatives- and never learned RPN. so i might not be nerdy enough to really comment.
c) i'm flabbergasted that the AP Calc exam requires a grpahing calculator. Why? What on earth for? Granted, i took mine in '85, and maybe there's been a change in what's required or taught, but i sure wouldn't think so.
It still hasn't killed my zeal, but it does get tough. It's the only industry left in this country that is perpetually understaffed with regard to IT staff. How many 1,500 employee person corporations would have a 5 person IT department?
My personal pet peeve is graphing calculators. Why pay over a $100 for a calculator, when for the same money you can get a palm and load on graphing calculator software?
Only in the last several years has there been a clear move to use the computer as an integrated tool, and not to use it as a reward or a game machine.
Disclaimer: I work at a regional center in Georgia that teaches such integration.
Towards that end, I've seen a lot of neat uses. It takes more than just a powerpoint slideshow to actually enhance learning, though. Having the students do research and then create their own powerpoint is more effective. (as long as they don't use a sound effect for every letter entry...)
The key element is to get the students involved. The instructor can use a tool such as Inspiration to do concept outlines, and then make those available as notes.
I'll think of more examples later...
Is that fiber to the classroom, or just between closets? Fiber to the classroom is still overkill, but between closets is certainly not unreasonable, especially since it'll give plenty of bandwidth for growth.
yup, you're right. i looked everywhere but AT the pr page. habit, i guess, from experience with the paucity of info on such pages...
i could be wrong, of course, but looking at the website seems to indicate to me they're talking about Consumer Electronics, not windows CE.
does sony make any windows CE devices? i don't think they do.
in any case, this doesn't mean that microsoft could lawyer 'em to death over the name.
you're right, i meant 10Gbps ethernet. Wrong layer. ;)
guess i should have checked it before i posted. shame on me.
i read this when it was on fark the other day, and i had to wonder what the big deal was. the speed worked out to be slightly lower than 10 gigabits.
bearing that in mind, isn't 10 gigabit TCP in the getting-done stages?
i don't know, maybe i missed something 'golly-gee' about this. this just seemed superfluous.
still very accurate. once upon a time, i lived next door to one of the members of drivin 'n cryin, at the height of their popularity, and this is EXACTLY the situation they were in- and they were on the more artist-friendly island records.
it seems you either have to do it all yourself, and jam econo a la mike watt, or become huge. i'm glad more bands are realizing that jamming econo will enable them to keep going.
google for steve albini's math if you don't know what i'm referring to.
Two names there that don't get enough credit. Both will stretch your mind, and both do stuff that runs along the border of SF & Literature.
Morrow is the most savagely satiric writer i've ever read. His Godhead trilogy (google for it) is so full of humanity, that summarizing it (what happens after god's body crashes to earth) is trivializing to the nth degree. Although I would say that any of his stuff is brilliant, good starting points are the trilogy and the book of short stories, "Bible Stories for Adults"
Michael Bishop's work encompasses both straight and SF subjects. My favorite is entitled "Brittle Innings" and is about minor league baseball during WW II- but there's a twist. "Close Encounters with the Deity" is a book of short stories all dealing with religion in SF.
Finally, for pure humorous writing, do check out Chris Moore. While it's not SF, or even really fantasy, it's absolutely hilarious stuff with a touch of the fantastic. "Practical Demonkeeping" is a great starting point.
It's not exclusive. they have an official windows version now. not to mention all the unofficial unix clients.
They didn't have any more info than the press release did, though. They had 1-2 week availability listed.
So it's $100 cheaper than the same size ipod, with USB connectivity and WMA capability.
okay, i've never squawked about moderation before, but here goes:
that's not flamebait. flamebait would be *complaining* that they used portions of the bsd tcp/ip code in win2k etc. flamebait would be imprecating them for that. flamebait would be using a dirty name or word. flamebait would be insulting the bsd license that allows such use.
i did none of the above.
i just simply stated what the only connection i know of between the two was. i suppose i could get linkage to illustrate, but it's pretty common knowledge.
i don't know if they currently use the stack in xp. haven't tried ftp on it.
i am still curious to know what commitment microsoft has to bsd. i've never heard of such a thing. they've had an off-and-on commitment to SCO (flamebait warning: yuck.) but that's the closest they come, i think.
microsoft has a commitment to freebsd?
did i miss the memo? the only thing i know that connects microsoft to freebsd is the fact that they used portions of the tcp/ip code in win2k.