How would this Web Forms be different from the already-standardized, but not implemented by Mozilla or Opera, XForms? (Note: not the GUI toolkit for X by the same name.) After all, the W3C page says XForms is "the next generation of Web Forms"...
The "Web Forms" name is so generic that Googling it is basically useless.
Of course, there is no hypocrisy in the Republican party.
Imagine, if you will, that in the 2000 election, George W. Bush trails in Florida by a few hundred votes, with strange discrepancies in mostly Republican counties. You'd see the same exact people saying the exact opposite things. Gore would be trying to declare the election over, and Bush would be filing lawsuits right and left.
The sooner you realize that party people's loyalty is to the party, and not to the United States of America, the better off you'll be.
As I pointed out elsewhere, businesses that run Java do so because it's not tied to Windows. If they don't care, they're probably already on.NET. IBM, BEA, Oracle, and Novell are not going to let Java die.
So do you work for Sun PR, or are you someone who's built a career around developing in Java and is desperately willing what he says to come true?
Neither. I know more languages than you can shake a stick at. If Java were to disappear, I'd shrug my shoulders and go on. I'm just saying I don't think it will happen.
Blanket statements like the above are meaningless: there is no job for which, other things being equal, Java does not have at least one serious rival.
But it's still the best all-around choice for cross-platform development, hence its popularity.
Apparently you don't realize that IBM already has its own Java compiler, which at least for a while generated faster code than Sun's. For that reason, a lot of people used it instead of the 'official' one. If Sun screws around with Java, that's the direction most businesses will head... the open-source guys will gravitate toward Blackdown, I'm sure.
And as for your C# comment.. no. businesses that use Java mainly use it because they don't want to be dependent on Windows.
Get real. See all those Java jobs out there? I know a few months ago there were more of those than any other language. I doubt that has changed... or will change in the near future.
Sun could drop off into the Pacific tomorrow, and Java would keep on going because in a lot of places it's the best tool for the job. As much as they would like to, neither Gates nor Stallman is going to change that fact. If Sun (under MS's influence) tries to corrupt or hamstring Java, IBM, Blackdown et al will simply fork it, and everybody will start using theirs.
"GNOME is turning into something that is really pleasant to use," he [de Icaza] said. "I can happily say that GNOME 2.6 is up to the level of MAC OS X usability."
Suuuuuuurrre it is. And I've got a bridge to sell you cheap.
Don't get me wrong; I hope he's correct. If so, Linux will really start to make some serious inroads on the desktop. But unless 2.6 is really a quantum leap, I don't think it's true.
Mac's are still the all-time usability champs. You can take people who are deathly afraid of computers and they can use a Mac after a short while. So I'll believe it when I see it.
Okay, this is probably a troll... but since it got modded up, I'll bite.
How can anything be less expensive than free? I haven't seen a charged-for REXX since VX-REXX for OS/2... and that was for its GUI extensions to REXX, not the language itself. Was this for some obscure platform where someone was charging for a REXX port? Or was using it going to cause you to have to upgrade hardware or something?
As far as powerful... what couldn't it do? Using the ADDRESS command, it can talk to the OS, communication libraries, datbases, etc. Admittedly it can get ugly doing a lot of that stuff. Did you perhaps mean other solutions were more elegant?
Likewise, there's the paradox of heros who have super-strength but not invulnerability (e.g. spider-man).
Yep, this brings up one of my all-time favorite roll-your-eyes scenes, from a Superman in the 70's.
Some doofus found a magic flute which stole Superman's powers, one at a time, and transferred them to himself. So he takes away Supe's flight and invulnerability. When Superman catches up to the doofus, he still has his super-strength, so he bursts through a brick wall.
Now, I'm no physicist, but I know if I could somehow move my arms with enough force to smash through a brick wall, I'd end up with a pair of stumps and something resembling bloody jelly.
You get to be Da Man who gets called at 3am when one little thing you forgot brings the whole shebang down. You get to be Da Man who gets to enhance it for every little niggling request from your fellow coders. You get to be Da Man who has fingers pointed at him first, then find out later somebody's app didn't follow your rules. You get to be Da Man who meticulously documents it, so they know those rules.
You get to be Da Man who can't take vacation or call in sick.
Good question. Not my area of expertise, so I'll venture a guess.
It must be hardware, at least partly, since the articles I've read say that Linux on a mainframe also enjoys increased throughput. However, I've seen others that say it's still not as good as the 'native' OSes. Whether this is due to mainframe Linux's relative newness or some architectural design of the OS I don't know.
It seems that if it were simply hardware, it would've been copied by now. Maybe the simple answer is that most UNIX systems are transactional in nature, and anybody who's writing big batch applications already has a mainframe. Thus no market for hardware of that type on non-mainframes.
Maybe one of my Tucson friends who works on the Shark can enlighten us.
As a guy who's done mainframe programming for 23 years, here's why I think this won't have much of an impact.
First, you have to understand this isn't simply an issue of porting something from one platform to another. If it were, it would've been done a long time ago. Anybody else remember when industry pundits were talking about the last of the mainframes being unplugged in 1999 so we wouldn't have to deal with with Y2K? Sure, a few places migrated off the 'frame, but not many. And I would argue that any company capable of doing so, did so before Y2K.
Basically, there are two types of COBOL systems on the 'frame:
Batch.These are the payroll-type systems that run in the background, are are mostly ignored by people claiming to be able to migrate systems. The thing is, these systems are full of extensions for mainframe-type filesystems or databases, like VSAM or IMS. So while MicroFocus handles some of that stuff correctly, it won't handle it all.
And if it did, what have you gained? I've heard it said that if Windows is a car, UNIX is a racecar... and z/OS is a semi. While Intel or minicomputer (sorry, that's prbably an outdated term) systems can match mainframe MIPS, they can't match its throughput. So suddenly your batch payroll that ran for ten minutes on the 'frame and churns out the paychecks takes all day. Don't think many companies will make that trade.
Online. These programs run under CICS usually, sometimes IMS or (more rarely) non-IBM TP monitors. These systems have all sorts of calls specific to CICS or whatever. (For example, you can't read the file system directly under CICS.) So the Windows COBOL things usually follow the 80/20 rule here, as far as what will work... but the 20% will kill you. Things like background tasks to communicate with remote systems over an APPC connection. (If that last sentence made you go "huh?", you may realize it's what you don't know that will doom a project of this sort.)
And the open-source COBOL efforts handle none of the batch or online extensions, so they're almost useless for migrating any of these systems.
So basically you undergo a huge, years-long set of projects and by the time you're done, you may have something that's cheaper, but is most likely just less reliable.
Following the telemarketers' logic, there should be no unlisted phone numbers. If I can't call up anybody I want, my free speech is violated.
Hi, Your Eminence! Hear my confession.
Yo, George W.! Here's what I think the economy needs...
That's why it was so funny when the Okie judge's number got posted on the 'net. I didn't hear if that happened to the Colorado doofus, but it should have.
Sorry, guys, but your rights end where mine begin. That's basic civics.
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And I would never vote for anyone who would do it.
Garg
How would this Web Forms be different from the already-standardized, but not implemented by Mozilla or Opera, XForms? (Note: not the GUI toolkit for X by the same name.) After all, the W3C page says XForms is "the next generation of Web Forms"...
The "Web Forms" name is so generic that Googling it is basically useless.
Garg
My first thought from the headline was that it was some new translator that combined the Encheferizer with the Pirate Translator.
Arrrr! Bork! Bork! Bork!
Garg
Of course, there is no hypocrisy in the Republican party.
Imagine, if you will, that in the 2000 election, George W. Bush trails in Florida by a few hundred votes, with strange discrepancies in mostly Republican counties. You'd see the same exact people saying the exact opposite things. Gore would be trying to declare the election over, and Bush would be filing lawsuits right and left.
The sooner you realize that party people's loyalty is to the party, and not to the United States of America, the better off you'll be.
Garg
As I pointed out elsewhere, businesses that run Java do so because it's not tied to Windows. If they don't care, they're probably already on .NET. IBM, BEA, Oracle, and Novell are not going to let Java die.
Garg
So do you work for Sun PR, or are you someone who's built a career around developing in Java and is desperately willing what he says to come true?
Neither. I know more languages than you can shake a stick at. If Java were to disappear, I'd shrug my shoulders and go on. I'm just saying I don't think it will happen.
Blanket statements like the above are meaningless: there is no job for which, other things being equal, Java does not have at least one serious rival.
But it's still the best all-around choice for cross-platform development, hence its popularity.
Garg
Apparently you don't realize that IBM already has its own Java compiler, which at least for a while generated faster code than Sun's. For that reason, a lot of people used it instead of the 'official' one. If Sun screws around with Java, that's the direction most businesses will head... the open-source guys will gravitate toward Blackdown, I'm sure.
And as for your C# comment.. no. businesses that use Java mainly use it because they don't want to be dependent on Windows.
Garg
Get real. See all those Java jobs out there? I know a few months ago there were more of those than any other language. I doubt that has changed... or will change in the near future.
Sun could drop off into the Pacific tomorrow, and Java would keep on going because in a lot of places it's the best tool for the job. As much as they would like to, neither Gates nor Stallman is going to change that fact. If Sun (under MS's influence) tries to corrupt or hamstring Java, IBM, Blackdown et al will simply fork it, and everybody will start using theirs.
Garg
"GNOME is turning into something that is really pleasant to use," he [de Icaza] said. "I can happily say that GNOME 2.6 is up to the level of MAC OS X usability."
Suuuuuuurrre it is. And I've got a bridge to sell you cheap.
Don't get me wrong; I hope he's correct. If so, Linux will really start to make some serious inroads on the desktop. But unless 2.6 is really a quantum leap, I don't think it's true.
Mac's are still the all-time usability champs. You can take people who are deathly afraid of computers and they can use a Mac after a short while. So I'll believe it when I see it.
Garg
Hmmm... what about this?
Maybe the chargeable ones are better... I haven't tried 'em. But there's at least one free one for Windows.
Garg
Okay, this is probably a troll... but since it got modded up, I'll bite.
How can anything be less expensive than free? I haven't seen a charged-for REXX since VX-REXX for OS/2... and that was for its GUI extensions to REXX, not the language itself. Was this for some obscure platform where someone was charging for a REXX port? Or was using it going to cause you to have to upgrade hardware or something?
As far as powerful... what couldn't it do? Using the ADDRESS command, it can talk to the OS, communication libraries, datbases, etc. Admittedly it can get ugly doing a lot of that stuff. Did you perhaps mean other solutions were more elegant?
Garg
... with Tom Cruise as KillRaven.
Well, maybe not.
Garg
From the decription of the 'spatial desktop', it sounds like OS/2 Warp circa 1995.
:-)
We only had to wait a decade or so for Moore's Law to make it usable...
Garg
Prior art... the GavCam!
Garg
Wife: [sniff sniff] Have you been visiting porn sites again?
Hubby: No dear, I'm cooking salmon tonight.
Garg
I never understand why twin display never caught on.
Simple, it's a lot easier to hide the fact that you bought a kick-ass graphics card from your wife, than it is an extra monitor sitting on your desk.
Garg
Likewise, there's the paradox of heros who have super-strength but not invulnerability (e.g. spider-man).
Yep, this brings up one of my all-time favorite roll-your-eyes scenes, from a Superman in the 70's.
Some doofus found a magic flute which stole Superman's powers, one at a time, and transferred them to himself. So he takes away Supe's flight and invulnerability. When Superman catches up to the doofus, he still has his super-strength, so he bursts through a brick wall.
Now, I'm no physicist, but I know if I could somehow move my arms with enough force to smash through a brick wall, I'd end up with a pair of stumps and something resembling bloody jelly.
Garg
Garg
I wonder if they're looking into giant robot anteaters as an alternative to costly bunker-buster bombs?
How about AT-AT's?
Garg
George O'Leary? Is that you?
Garg
Yep, you get to be Da Man, all right.
You get to be Da Man who gets called at 3am when one little thing you forgot brings the whole shebang down. You get to be Da Man who gets to enhance it for every little niggling request from your fellow coders. You get to be Da Man who has fingers pointed at him first, then find out later somebody's app didn't follow your rules. You get to be Da Man who meticulously documents it, so they know those rules.
You get to be Da Man who can't take vacation or call in sick.
I gave up my desire to be Da Man some time ago.
Garg
Good question. Not my area of expertise, so I'll venture a guess.
It must be hardware, at least partly, since the articles I've read say that Linux on a mainframe also enjoys increased throughput. However, I've seen others that say it's still not as good as the 'native' OSes. Whether this is due to mainframe Linux's relative newness or some architectural design of the OS I don't know.
It seems that if it were simply hardware, it would've been copied by now. Maybe the simple answer is that most UNIX systems are transactional in nature, and anybody who's writing big batch applications already has a mainframe. Thus no market for hardware of that type on non-mainframes.
Maybe one of my Tucson friends who works on the Shark can enlighten us.
Garg
First, you have to understand this isn't simply an issue of porting something from one platform to another. If it were, it would've been done a long time ago. Anybody else remember when industry pundits were talking about the last of the mainframes being unplugged in 1999 so we wouldn't have to deal with with Y2K? Sure, a few places migrated off the 'frame, but not many. And I would argue that any company capable of doing so, did so before Y2K.
Basically, there are two types of COBOL systems on the 'frame:
And if it did, what have you gained? I've heard it said that if Windows is a car, UNIX is a racecar... and z/OS is a semi. While Intel or minicomputer (sorry, that's prbably an outdated term) systems can match mainframe MIPS, they can't match its throughput. So suddenly your batch payroll that ran for ten minutes on the 'frame and churns out the paychecks takes all day. Don't think many companies will make that trade.
And the open-source COBOL efforts handle none of the batch or online extensions, so they're almost useless for migrating any of these systems.
So basically you undergo a huge, years-long set of projects and by the time you're done, you may have something that's cheaper, but is most likely just less reliable.
Garg
Goes great with a nicotini!
Garg
Following the telemarketers' logic, there should be no unlisted phone numbers. If I can't call up anybody I want, my free speech is violated.
Hi, Your Eminence! Hear my confession.
Yo, George W.! Here's what I think the economy needs...
That's why it was so funny when the Okie judge's number got posted on the 'net. I didn't hear if that happened to the Colorado doofus, but it should have.
Sorry, guys, but your rights end where mine begin. That's basic civics.
Garg