> Wait a second... I think the XML-format document types are only available for corporate versions of MS office. If that is true there still will be a lot of propiertary binary-only.DOCuments around in the future.
You are wrong. Word Standard Edition can save into WordML (which schema has been published). Enterprise version allows you to map certain parts of documents into Xml with customer specified schema.
> IE's implementation of the CSS1 box model is wrong and this makes it a pain in the ass. This is really a core feature, so no, IE doesn't really support CSS1.
IE6 has both broken box model support for backward compat and correct box model support. It is selectable through document type as was proposed by Jeffrey Zeldman from WaSP.
> Developers *hate* working with the X-Box team at M'soft, and if coding for the X-Box was as difficult as coding for the PS2 developers would choose 1 console and stick with it.
I actually heard quite the opposite. One of the developers of "Buffy The Vampire slayer" told me that working with MS was much better - better tools, better support, etc. compared to GameCube and PS2. He specifically said that Xbox developer support was so much better than Sony
> Also, last I checked, MS was still saving out in "MSXML", and scattering wierd [blah..] constructs throughout the XML.
Can you be a little bit more specific? It looks like totally valid XML to me. I am curious what kinds of weird extenstions to XML MS put into Word XML format.
> Most things MS creates use different standards, that is the problem. Microsoft's own Office programs can't even open their own files without it getting messed up, what is the point in trusting any new document designs they come up with?
What is the point of XML in your opinion anyways ?
> Even if what you say is 100% accurate, and MS delivers a compatible format that works with say, OpenOffice and Start Office, you have absoultely _NO_ gurantees that MS will not change the file format on the next upgrade and at that point turn the data to a completely proprietary form that is accessible only to the next upgrade of office.
There is no XML "standard" for Office documents. If you call OpenOffice XML format - standard, then Microsoft Office XML is standard is well. It is just a different standard.
>>> OK so how does these "development tools" compare to the Java tools out there, both free and commercial? Can I refactor as well in Smalltalk as I can Java?
You are kidding, right? First ever refactoring browser was created for Smalltalk. The word itself was most likely invented in Smalltalk community.
Well, Office 2003 has not been shipped yet, so this does not mean that redistribution of XSD will not be allowed in RTM. It is still Beta. And still, I hardly call this bastardization. You can validate this stuff with schema, right? Schema is good old standard XSD, right ? Xml does not have any new non-standard fields? Where is bastardiaztion. I am pretty sure you will be able to redistribute Word XSD after Office 2003 ships.
>> But from what I have seen of the Microsoftian version of XML (totally bastardized by the Beast of Redmond), and what little I have done with Java IDEs... this will be much easier and cleaner to implement.
Can you elaborate on how exactly Beast of Redmond totally bastardized XML ? Just curious...
> My bad, I mispoke, Microsoft cares, would never steal anything and is constantly striving to imporve my productivity so that all my dreams can come true. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I love Big Brother. Eat me, Astroturfer.
I do not really care if you hate Microsoft guts, I just don't like the fact that you making thigns up so that Microsoft looks bad. The problem with that is that nobody will take your Microsoft criticism seriously.
> Stac > Quicktime > Eolas > and many others collected right here
Well, from the 4 links you provided 3 are talking about patent infrigement, not code theft. And if it were somebody else sued for patent infingement I think you will be the first one to post something anti patent.
As for "Extreem Programming" - first of all you do not know what you are talking about. Source code in extreme programming projects is touched (and rewritten) quite a lot. It is just evolutionary process and not a full rewrite. Second, can you give some evidence to your claim that Microsoft uses XP (Extreme Programming) as it's software development process? I somehow doubt it.
>>>Look at longhorn, tell me just 1 worthwhile new feature which makes it so much better than XP? Dont give me that crap about Longhorn being brand new, its been in development for 2 years now, I knew about Longhorn way back in 2000-2001, its 2003 now. Considering they had 2 years to work on it in private before releasing developer previews, you can make any excuses you want. ---- I highly doubt that you know what features Longhorn will have at the time of ship to make such conclusions. Can you explain for example, what is WinFS? And what features will it provide to the user?
Ask TPC. They are the guys who vailate this. As far as I know they publish your number, your hardware settings and a price for the whole system. So in the cases mentioned in my first post MS Sql Server results on, say Xeon 8P, were highest AND price/performance numbers were lowest among all 8P results provided.
BTW what are you comparing Sql Server with ? MySql ?
>>Next thing you know they'll use JCL.... Is anybody else disturbed by this? One of their shittiest technologies (SQL Server -- I think my Rolodex benchmarks better and a bank vault in Baghdad is more secure) as the basis for a filesystem. Hoo boy.
When was the last time you checked benchmark results of SQL Server? For example in tpc-c it owns every damn category 1P servers, 2P servers, 8P, 16, 32,64 and clustered results. Check for yourself http://www.tpc.org Same for TPC-W.
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> Microsoft aren't doing it. They're just wrapping up the users data in incomprehensible data formats, within XML, and then 'playing the Open Standards' card...
Have you actually seen WordML ? Or you just assume that it is the way you describe here?
>>>>Also I think many people will be dissapointed with the 32bit performance and AMD might get a bad name for it. ===== Well AMD folks are claiming that Opteron is extrememly good at executing 32 bit apps. They even claim it to be fastest x86 CPU. So no, I do not think AMD will get bad name for Opteron perfromance
>>>huh? when was microsoft going to port to amd's 64 bit processor? they seem to be going out of their way to dis amd. ====== do you have any facts supporting your claims about microsoft dissing AMD? I am seeing quite the opposite picture. Windows is running on AMD64 already http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8678
Hrmmmmm. O.K. I'll bite the troll......How am I supposed to develop.NET using the free.NET framework? For that I need XP First of all, you can use.Net framework SDK - free download. You will get command line compilers and docs. Not really different from developing with gcc. Second - Visual Studio.Net indeed works with Windows 2000 and everything but ASP.NET development works even on NT4. So no, you do not need XP to develop for.NET. Please check your facts before posting.
Replacement is not delayed. The person who submitted an article is an idiot..Net Server 2003 will be shipped soon and will replace Win 2000 Server. Article actually talks that Longhorn will be client only release and there will be no Longhorn server.
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> Sorry, Notepad has its limitations like file size. Notepad is free so you're getting what you pay for in the first place.
Last time I checked notepad was able to open 2GB files.
> Wait a second ... I think the XML-format document types are only available for corporate versions of MS office. If that is true there still will be a lot of propiertary binary-only .DOCuments around in the future.
You are wrong. Word Standard Edition can save into WordML (which schema has been published). Enterprise version allows you to map certain parts of documents into Xml with customer specified schema.
> IE's implementation of the CSS1 box model is wrong and this makes it a pain in the ass. This is really a core feature, so no, IE doesn't really support CSS1.
IE6 has both broken box model support for backward compat and correct box model support. It is selectable through document type as was proposed by Jeffrey Zeldman from WaSP.
> Developers *hate* working with the X-Box team at M'soft, and if coding for the X-Box was as difficult as coding for the PS2 developers would choose 1 console and stick with it.
I actually heard quite the opposite. One of the developers of "Buffy The Vampire slayer" told me that working with MS was much better - better tools, better support, etc. compared to GameCube and PS2. He specifically said that Xbox developer support was so much better than Sony
>> I know no C/C++ compiler is strictly ANSI standard, but Visual C++.NET, JESUS!)
Actually VC++.NET 2003 is one of the most conformant C++ compilers out there.
> Also, last I checked, MS was still saving out in "MSXML", and scattering wierd [blah..] constructs throughout the XML.
Can you be a little bit more specific? It looks like totally valid XML to me. I am curious what kinds of weird extenstions to XML MS put into Word XML format.
> Most things MS creates use different standards, that is the problem. Microsoft's own Office programs can't even open their own files without it getting messed up, what is the point in trusting any new document designs they come up with?
What is the point of XML in your opinion anyways ?
> Even if what you say is 100% accurate, and MS delivers a compatible format that works with say, OpenOffice and Start Office, you have absoultely _NO_ gurantees that MS will not change the file format on the next upgrade and at that point turn the data to a completely proprietary form that is accessible only to the next upgrade of office.
There is no XML "standard" for Office documents. If you call OpenOffice XML format - standard, then Microsoft Office XML is standard is well. It is just a different standard.
> For instance, Microsoft Office has perverted XML and RTF under the name of "open standards".
How exactly Microsoft perverted XML?
>>> OK so how does these "development tools" compare to the Java tools out there, both free and commercial? Can I refactor as well in Smalltalk as I can Java?
You are kidding, right? First ever refactoring browser was created for Smalltalk. The word itself was most likely invented in Smalltalk community.
Well, Office 2003 has not been shipped yet, so this does not mean that redistribution of XSD will not be allowed in RTM. It is still Beta. And still, I hardly call this bastardization. You can validate this stuff with schema, right? Schema is good old standard XSD, right ? Xml does not have any new non-standard fields? Where is bastardiaztion.
I am pretty sure you will be able to redistribute Word XSD after Office 2003 ships.
>> But from what I have seen of the Microsoftian version of XML (totally bastardized by the Beast of Redmond), and what little I have done with Java IDEs ... this will be much easier and cleaner to implement.
Can you elaborate on how exactly Beast of Redmond totally bastardized XML ? Just curious...
> My bad, I mispoke, Microsoft cares, would never steal anything and is constantly striving to imporve my productivity so that all my dreams can come true. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I love Big Brother. Eat me, Astroturfer.
I do not really care if you hate Microsoft guts, I just don't like the fact that you making thigns up so that Microsoft looks bad. The problem with that is that nobody will take your Microsoft criticism seriously.
> Stac
> Quicktime
> Eolas
> and many others collected right here
Well, from the 4 links you provided 3 are talking about patent infrigement, not code theft. And if it were somebody else sued for patent infingement I think you will be the first one to post something anti patent.
As for "Extreem Programming" - first of all you do not know what you are talking about. Source code in extreme programming projects is touched (and rewritten) quite a lot. It is just evolutionary process and not a full rewrite.
Second, can you give some evidence to your claim that Microsoft uses XP (Extreme Programming) as it's software development process? I somehow doubt it.
>>> Not knowing much about C#, is Java 1.5 "borrowing" features ?
----
One may say so. You see, C# had all features mentioned in article excluding generics since Beta 2. I think this is more than a year.
>>>Look at longhorn, tell me just 1 worthwhile new feature which makes it so much better than XP? Dont give me that crap about Longhorn being brand new, its been in development for 2 years now, I knew about Longhorn way back in 2000-2001, its 2003 now. Considering they had 2 years to work on it in private before releasing developer previews, you can make any excuses you want.
----
I highly doubt that you know what features Longhorn will have at the time of ship to make such conclusions. Can you explain for example, what is WinFS? And what features will it provide to the user?
Ceteris Parabis?
Ask TPC. They are the guys who vailate this. As far as I know they publish your number, your hardware settings and a price for the whole system. So in the cases mentioned in my first post MS Sql Server results on, say Xeon 8P, were highest AND price/performance numbers were lowest among all 8P results provided.
BTW what are you comparing Sql Server with ? MySql ?
>>Next thing you know they'll use JCL.... Is anybody else disturbed by this? One of their shittiest technologies (SQL Server -- I think my Rolodex benchmarks better and a bank vault in Baghdad is more secure) as the basis for a filesystem. Hoo boy.
When was the last time you checked benchmark results of SQL Server? For example in tpc-c it owns every damn category 1P servers, 2P servers,
8P, 16, 32,64 and clustered results.
Check for yourself http://www.tpc.org
Same for TPC-W.
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and Windows 2000 scripting guide
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/
> Microsoft aren't doing it. They're just wrapping up the users data in incomprehensible data formats, within XML, and then 'playing the Open Standards' card...
Have you actually seen WordML ? Or you just assume that it is the way you describe here?
>>>>Also I think many people will be dissapointed with the 32bit performance and AMD might get a bad name for it.
=====
Well AMD folks are claiming that Opteron is extrememly good at executing 32 bit apps. They even claim it to be fastest x86 CPU. So no, I do not think AMD will get bad name for Opteron perfromance
>>>huh? when was microsoft going to port to amd's 64 bit processor? they seem to be going out of their way to dis amd.
======
do you have any facts supporting your claims about microsoft dissing AMD?
I am seeing quite the opposite picture. Windows is running on AMD64 already
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8678
Hrmmmmm. O.K. I'll bite the troll......How am I supposed to develop .NET using the free .NET framework? For that I need XP .Net framework SDK - free download. You will get command line compilers and docs. Not really different from developing with gcc. .NET. Please check your facts before posting.
First of all, you can use
Second - Visual Studio.Net indeed works with Windows 2000 and everything but ASP.NET development works even on NT4. So no, you do not need XP to develop for
> Well, how would YOU fix your shitty, buggy games if you didn't have a hard drive on which to store the patches?
Do you have any examples to support that claim? Like halo patch or something?
Replacement is not delayed. The person who submitted an article is an idiot. .Net Server 2003 will be shipped soon and will replace Win 2000 Server. Article actually talks that Longhorn will be client only release and there will be no Longhorn server.