It's fun to play 'what if' so let's do that. Let's say the government doesn't use emergency powers to block the protests. And a couple of weeks after a series of terrorist attacks, terrorists use the opportunity to splody-dope themselves from within the crowd. The public response would be: "Why didn't you stop the protests." And on the other hand, you have the "Why is France stopping the protests, are they afraid or something?" Because they're taking a reasonable precaution.
Hecklers veto. If police are concerned about an attack on the protests, they should beef up security around the protests, not block them altogether.
In reality, Paris just wants to suppress dissent. So do you.
What does that mean, kind of like trains. You mean steam locomotives? Here's a hint - steam locomotives weren't powered by steam, they were powered by coal. Kinda like saying I'm driving a piston-driven car.
Except it's not free to open up a nationwide network of retail stores. Why are you convinced this is the best way? It would also require a whole bunch of capital upfront to open and stock the stores. How does that help get more auto OEMs if they need to invest even more capital in order to sell in America?
OK, if Toyota built out a nationwide network of retail stores, and staff those stores, and put inventory in those stores, how much per car would that I'll add to the price? I bet it's much more than 1500, because if it were less, they would've done it!
Toyota doesn't compete with Tesla. They're exactly 0 customers who say, should I get a Toyota? Or maybe I should get a Tesla?. Don't let your hard-on for Elon musk cloud to you too simple economics of the wholesaler and retailer model.
cool beans man. you think people are choosing between kia and tesla? they are in completely different businesses. the only thing is common is that their products have four wheels. in my state people can buy from whoever they want, and the OEMs sell through a dealer network. sorry it makes your panties cry tears.
you sure are big into regulation to set the rules of the game. why don't you let the market sort itself out? I think you find that it will settle to exactly where it is now. Aside from some high end boutiques, all the OEMs will sell through a dealer network. This is common not just in automotive but many industries. I'm shopping for high end stereos right now and it's the same thing.
And the car buying process continues to get easier and more transparent. sites like truecar show the price history and inventory costs of new cars. you can just open this up and show it to the dealer when discussing a fair price. And when I was shopping for cars earlier this summer, I probably went to 12 different dealers. a third struck me as way sleaze cheeze, a third were meh, and a third were really cool. i bought from a really cool dealer.
it would be more preferable for you, but the OEMs would prefer to keep the dealer model. unless the dealer model becomes illegal, OEMs will choose to do this.
what do you think about the argument that as cars become more and more complex, the service technicians will need to have more specialized knowledge about particular brands, and service shops will need more and more specialized equipment custom to certain brands, like diagnostic computers or similar. This is a strong argument for service shops that specialize in one or a select few OEMs. The dealership model is one way of getting this result.
There is absolutely no reason for dealers to exist anymore. Just allow the car manufacturers to have showrooms and sell/maintain vehicles without the middleman.
why would you think that if the law changed that everything would become different? OEMs don't *want* to sell direct to public. They like the dealer model. it works very well for them.
when was the last time you shopped for a car? I shopped for a car last summer, and it was an eye opening experience. some dealerships were dodgy and I got out of there fast, and other dealerships were really great and spent a lot of time with me.
and dealers aren't useless. they have incredible value... to the OEM. you think a foreign company like Kia wants to put billions into the ground to open up retail stores across America? They would much rather partner with other companies to be the retail agents, aka dealers.
this is a +1 all-star comment. people have such a hard-on for hating on dealers. there are good dealers and bad dealers. go to the good dealers. use tools like truecar.com to get an independent assessment of car prices. you can call up the truecar website when talking with the dealer.
why are they anachronistic middle man? the auto OEM wants to be an OEM, not a retail sales company. that's why they choose to contract with the dealers. you think Kia wants to open up their own showrooms at malls across america? I assure you not. The dealer is there not for the benefit of the consumers, but for the benefit of the OEMs.
i had a great experience at a mazda dealership. I think they take a different approach to pricing models and sales goals. its also true that in shopping for a car i went to a number of other dealerships that were shady as fuck. generally, you can tell in 15 mins if you feel comfortable there or not. if not, just walk away (literally, in midsentance, just be like "i'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but first i need to get something from my car")
that's all cool and stuff, but almost all car manufacturers work through the dealership model, and even if the law changed they would still go through the dealerships. so how would this help?
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i agree with you! they should have shut down the Boston marathon (and all other marathons going forward) because of the risk of TERRORISM.
like usb3?
buliding takes such a long time, tho. Ain't nobody got time for that!
It's fun to play 'what if' so let's do that. Let's say the government doesn't use emergency powers to block the protests. And a couple of weeks after a series of terrorist attacks, terrorists use the opportunity to splody-dope themselves from within the crowd. The public response would be: "Why didn't you stop the protests." And on the other hand, you have the "Why is France stopping the protests, are they afraid or something?" Because they're taking a reasonable precaution.
Hecklers veto. If police are concerned about an attack on the protests, they should beef up security around the protests, not block them altogether.
In reality, Paris just wants to suppress dissent. So do you.
I don't think you know what splidey dope means...
Why don't they allow the protesters but set up security measures?
Obamas a crook and Hilary's a mafioso.
Why don't YOU throw a tantrum another time????
What's SI?
What does that mean, kind of like trains. You mean steam locomotives? Here's a hint - steam locomotives weren't powered by steam, they were powered by coal. Kinda like saying I'm driving a piston-driven car.
and if the laws were overturned, everything would stay pretty much how it is now. cuz economics.
Except it's not free to open up a nationwide network of retail stores. Why are you convinced this is the best way? It would also require a whole bunch of capital upfront to open and stock the stores. How does that help get more auto OEMs if they need to invest even more capital in order to sell in America?
OK, if Toyota built out a nationwide network of retail stores, and staff those stores, and put inventory in those stores, how much per car would that I'll add to the price? I bet it's much more than 1500, because if it were less, they would've done it!
Toyota doesn't compete with Tesla. They're exactly 0 customers who say, should I get a Toyota? Or maybe I should get a Tesla?. Don't let your hard-on for Elon musk cloud to you too simple economics of the wholesaler and retailer model.
cool beans man. you think people are choosing between kia and tesla? they are in completely different businesses. the only thing is common is that their products have four wheels. in my state people can buy from whoever they want, and the OEMs sell through a dealer network. sorry it makes your panties cry tears.
you sure are big into regulation to set the rules of the game. why don't you let the market sort itself out? I think you find that it will settle to exactly where it is now. Aside from some high end boutiques, all the OEMs will sell through a dealer network. This is common not just in automotive but many industries. I'm shopping for high end stereos right now and it's the same thing.
And the car buying process continues to get easier and more transparent. sites like truecar show the price history and inventory costs of new cars. you can just open this up and show it to the dealer when discussing a fair price. And when I was shopping for cars earlier this summer, I probably went to 12 different dealers. a third struck me as way sleaze cheeze, a third were meh, and a third were really cool. i bought from a really cool dealer.
it would be more preferable for you, but the OEMs would prefer to keep the dealer model. unless the dealer model becomes illegal, OEMs will choose to do this.
what do you think about the argument that as cars become more and more complex, the service technicians will need to have more specialized knowledge about particular brands, and service shops will need more and more specialized equipment custom to certain brands, like diagnostic computers or similar. This is a strong argument for service shops that specialize in one or a select few OEMs. The dealership model is one way of getting this result.
There is absolutely no reason for dealers to exist anymore. Just allow the car manufacturers to have showrooms and sell/maintain vehicles without the middleman.
why would you think that if the law changed that everything would become different? OEMs don't *want* to sell direct to public. They like the dealer model. it works very well for them.
when was the last time you shopped for a car? I shopped for a car last summer, and it was an eye opening experience. some dealerships were dodgy and I got out of there fast, and other dealerships were really great and spent a lot of time with me.
and dealers aren't useless. they have incredible value... to the OEM. you think a foreign company like Kia wants to put billions into the ground to open up retail stores across America? They would much rather partner with other companies to be the retail agents, aka dealers.
this is a +1 all-star comment. people have such a hard-on for hating on dealers. there are good dealers and bad dealers. go to the good dealers. use tools like truecar.com to get an independent assessment of car prices. you can call up the truecar website when talking with the dealer.
why are they anachronistic middle man? the auto OEM wants to be an OEM, not a retail sales company. that's why they choose to contract with the dealers. you think Kia wants to open up their own showrooms at malls across america? I assure you not. The dealer is there not for the benefit of the consumers, but for the benefit of the OEMs.
i had a great experience at a mazda dealership. I think they take a different approach to pricing models and sales goals. its also true that in shopping for a car i went to a number of other dealerships that were shady as fuck. generally, you can tell in 15 mins if you feel comfortable there or not. if not, just walk away (literally, in midsentance, just be like "i'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but first i need to get something from my car")
that's all cool and stuff, but almost all car manufacturers work through the dealership model, and even if the law changed they would still go through the dealerships. so how would this help?