I think that's might be a point that is trying to be made by suck. With all of this talk about the "New Economy", things aren't changing that much for the large companies.
But here's what I see as the difference:
Companies being typified by the personalities at the top. You didn't see IBM in the cartoons did you? It's not Microsoft and Oracle having it out, it's Larry Ellison and Bill Gates (The Mafia references bear me out on this one, I think).
Seconded. I don't understand why AIX has such a bad rep. I've adminned AIX and HP-UX boxes extensively and I find myself wishing that I had all AIX boxes. HP's SAM, particularly, is an abomination.
Interesting. If MP3/Naptster etc are so goddamned revolutionary why are we still listening to the same old crap, eh?
Their are a ton of performers out there who want you to hear their music, and let's face it, the more people that hear it, the more albums they are likely to sell. Metallica, being rich-householdname-sell-outs don't benefit in the same way that these smaller bands do. So, they fight it, having developed a liking for fast cars and expensive drugs.
Personally, all my Mp3's are bootlegs of performances of bands (that don't mind bootlegging! I make sure of that.) that I never get to see live, or Such and Such's new song that I would like to sample before I fork over the cash. Yes, I actually spend money because of mp3's.
Oh jeez, I hope I made a point somewhere in this post.
Remember the/. series on internet filtering in Holland, MI? Wasn't "Oh won't somebody think of the children!!" the rallying point of the censorware advocates?
Mr. Katz isn't above using scare tactics to generate arguments.
Offtopic-> You might want to check out this month's Scientific American. It has an interesting article on exactly that. It looks like the rat studies have been superceded by some ape studies. Interesting reading. (sorry, it's not online)
Your post was really, umm.. sane. Specifically the 'show case' part. Aren't there other 'Hackers' who have gone on to use their notoriety to secure high-paying jobs? I can't name names because I let my 2600 subscription lapse. I can come up with three scenarios: 1) Kevin did some truly amazing things and the Feds are truly scared.
I've heard the theory that he already is working for the Feds posited. THis was before his release. Just a theory I heard from a cracker dude. Makes some sense, though.
OJ wasn't convicted. Mitnick was. What that says about their respective status w/r/t Guilt and also about the process that spit them out in these states I'll leave as an exercise to the philosophers.
"The judge has every right to do stop him from making money off it."
I'd like to see something to back this statement up. I think that if you sit down and think for a minute you'll see that 'profiting from one's notoriety' is a pretty well established way of getting rich in America. Mitnick would hardly be doing something new (If this story's even accurate, which I doubt is the case).
"Grow up, or move to a small deserted island where you don't have to worry about big, bad corporations picking on your interests."
Was this supposed to be a supporting point to your argument? Good advice? It looks more like an inflammatory attack than anything else. It underlines the fact that your post is just a short, rather nonsensical rant. As opposed to a serious attempt to make a point about the news item in question, of course.
"That's right, he was a criminal, pure and simple. "
I don't think that it's that simple. Do you have the faith in our judicial sytem required to believe that Mitnick's conviction was based entirely on *undisputed* facts and that his punishment is in *no way* unfair?
I certainly don't. Too many politics involved. Seriously.
"If you didn't want your opinion to be heard why voice it in the first place?"
This is particularly disengenuous. No one said 'I don't want my opinion to be heard'. No one. I see people having a problem with the use of quotes specifically because 'Comments are owned by the poster'. "Fair-Use" and "Public Forum" issues aside I think that the real problem is that people see/. as a community of sorts built on trust. When you start doing things like this without advance notice, and then using legalities to justify what you did, you lose some of that trust.
I guess that's how I feel about. I can't speak for anyone else.
I think that there are a lot of things wrong with your reasoning. I'll take them line by line, sentence by sentence.
1)You answered this question yourself. Are you implying that anything short of jail-time doesn't count as affecting a life?
2) How on earth do you know what the 'worst case' is? Someone doesn't need to have a 'bad day', they just need to be targeted by someone. Being forced to sit in a counseling session or two is no big deal? This is also based on your assumption of what the 'worst case' would be.
3) Are you a counseler of some sort trying to drum up business? Who hasn't said that? seriously.
4) I don't believe that it's worth it, or the right way to do it.
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I think that's might be a point that is trying to be made by suck. With all of this talk about the "New Economy", things aren't changing that much for the large companies.
But here's what I see as the difference:
Companies being typified by the personalities at the top. You didn't see IBM in the cartoons did you? It's not Microsoft and Oracle having it out, it's Larry Ellison and Bill Gates (The Mafia references bear me out on this one, I think).
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I use Reflection X from WRQ software and find that it is better than all others, except for Exceed, which I've never used.
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Prius info here and here . I think it's better looking than the Insight, myself -nme!
Bore, n.: A guy who wraps up a two-minute idea in a two-hour vocabulary. -- Walter Winchell
Coincidentally on the bottom of the page when I read your post. Thought it was funny. Thought you might too.
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"Am I only one who has been desparately trying to work the word 'sensemaking' into casual conversation?"
Not anymore. I like it!
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Don't forget to powercycle the mail client.
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Seconded. This 'Open Source Man' doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Let's see some proof.
Really, no shit.
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White Noise, by Don Delillo. Written in '80, I think, but remarkably prescient w/r/t our current information bombardment.
'least I think so.
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Our rule was that you could trump the person calling shotgun by saying, "That's not how we call it around here." and then taking it by force.
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Seconded. I don't understand why AIX has such a bad rep. I've adminned AIX and HP-UX boxes extensively and I find myself wishing that I had all AIX boxes. HP's SAM, particularly, is an abomination.
-nme!
Interesting. If MP3/Naptster etc are so goddamned revolutionary why are we still listening to the same old crap, eh?
Their are a ton of performers out there who want you to hear their music, and let's face it, the more people that hear it, the more albums they are likely to sell. Metallica, being rich-householdname-sell-outs don't benefit in the same way that these smaller bands do. So, they fight it, having developed a liking for fast cars and expensive drugs.
Personally, all my Mp3's are bootlegs of performances of bands (that don't mind bootlegging! I make sure of that.) that I never get to see live, or Such and Such's new song that I would like to sample before I fork over the cash. Yes, I actually spend money because of mp3's.
Oh jeez, I hope I made a point somewhere in this post.
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Finally! Someone's talking some goddamn sense!
A battle cry for Mr. Katz if I've ever heard one.
/. series on internet filtering in Holland, MI? Wasn't "Oh won't somebody think of the children!!" the rallying point of the censorware advocates?
Remember the
Mr. Katz isn't above using scare tactics to generate arguments.
-nme!
I think that David Lee Roth is the best possible person choice to portray Zaphod in a movie.
Do you have any opinions on casting, should the movie ever appear?
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Offtopic->
You might want to check out this month's Scientific American. It has an interesting article on exactly that. It looks like the rat studies have been superceded by some ape studies. Interesting reading. (sorry, it's not online)
-nme!
Your post was really, umm.. sane. Specifically the 'show case' part. Aren't there other 'Hackers' who have gone on to use their notoriety to secure high-paying jobs? I can't name names because I let my 2600 subscription lapse.
I can come up with three scenarios:
1) Kevin did some truly amazing things and the Feds are truly scared.
2)Kevin is being used as a news item.
3)Kevin is now a secret agent.
I'm leaning towards #2.
-nme!
I've heard the theory that he already is working for the Feds posited. THis was before his release. Just a theory I heard from a cracker dude. Makes some sense, though.
-nme!
OJ wasn't convicted. Mitnick was. What that says about their respective status w/r/t Guilt and also about the process that spit them out in these states I'll leave as an exercise to the philosophers.
-nme!
"The judge has every right to do stop him from making money off it."
I'd like to see something to back this statement up. I think that if you sit down and think for a minute you'll see that 'profiting from one's notoriety' is a pretty well established way of getting rich in America. Mitnick would hardly be doing something new (If this story's even accurate, which I doubt is the case).
"Grow up, or move to a small deserted island where you don't have to worry about big, bad corporations picking on your interests."
Was this supposed to be a supporting point to your argument? Good advice? It looks more like an inflammatory attack than anything else. It underlines the fact that your post is just a short, rather nonsensical rant. As opposed to a serious attempt to make a point about the news item in question, of course.
-nme!
"That's right, he was a criminal, pure and simple. "
I don't think that it's that simple. Do you have the faith in our judicial sytem required to believe that Mitnick's conviction was based entirely on *undisputed* facts and that his punishment is in *no way* unfair?
I certainly don't. Too many politics involved. Seriously.
Not that I have any answers, either.
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Ok, I agree.
More news.
"If you didn't want your opinion to be heard why voice it in the first place?"
/. as a community of sorts built on trust. When you start doing things like this without advance notice, and then using legalities to justify what you did, you lose some of that trust.
This is particularly disengenuous. No one said 'I don't want my opinion to be heard'. No one. I see people having a problem with the use of quotes specifically because 'Comments are owned by the poster'.
"Fair-Use" and "Public Forum" issues aside I think that the real problem is that people see
I guess that's how I feel about. I can't speak for anyone else.
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I don't fall into either of those categories. I just think that it was rude.
As for 'growing up'; I find that to be an extremely unintelligent argument. Maybe you ought to try again.
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I'm always hoping for a version of grep that works in the 'real world', myself.
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I think that there are a lot of things wrong with your reasoning. I'll take them line by line, sentence by sentence.
1)You answered this question yourself. Are you implying that anything short of jail-time doesn't count as affecting a life?
2) How on earth do you know what the 'worst case' is? Someone doesn't need to have a 'bad day', they just need to be targeted by someone. Being forced to sit in a counseling session or two is no big deal? This is also based on your assumption of what the 'worst case' would be.
3) Are you a counseler of some sort trying to drum up business? Who hasn't said that? seriously.
4) I don't believe that it's worth it, or the right way to do it.
-nme!