ha-ha. Instead of sarcasm, why can't we be glad to see that Microsoft finally sees to have understood that quality matters. If you look at their pages about Windows XP and even Windows 2000, there's a lot of emphasis on stability and quality. They show benchmarks showing that they are more stable etc. etc. Judging from my own experience, it's true too.. Microsoft really seems to have shifted a lot of focus to quality and stability. It may or may not be because open source and Linux etc. but it's a good thing and I for one applaud that.
Lots of good points.. I guess I have totally given up on surfing at anything less than 1. This means I don't see the vast majority of PURE crap (first posts, beowulf clusters, goatse.cx etc. From that point of view, it would be better to get the good posts that have a rating of 1 to get a rating of 2 (or more) so that one could set the filter to 2 and get an even better signal ratio.
But either way, spending points moderating serious posts "off topic" just because they were slightly off topic seems like an awful waste to me. Same goes for many "redundant" moderations. So what if there's a little redundancy? It's much worse to have a lot of pure crap in there than to have some ok post that is redundant. That's what I think anyway.
Dude, moderator points are mostly wasted on things like "oh, oh! i don't think that was QUITE on topic! i'll moderate it down for being 'off topic'" or "oh!!! i think i saw another post touching that a few screens up, i'll moderate this one down for 'redundant'". Instead, moderators should spend their points moderating GOOD POSTS UP! It's sad, because many good posts never get moderated up - probably because all moderator points are wasted on crap.
And.. a little rant.. ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY off topic that mentions something even slightly positive about Microsoft will always be moderated down. Anything, no matter how off topic, that says something negative about Microsoft will either be moderated up or left untouched. It doesn't matter if the story is about the Muppet Show or Mars landers..
"Oh, and thanks to Microsoft innovation - you may remember this from the trial - the browser is integrated with the OS, so reading email from an attacker (opening attachments not necessary) also gives them full access to your machine."
Why does integration with the OS automatically give an attacker full access to your machine? Just because IE comes with the system and because it shares DLL's that the system uses doesn't mean that you would be running your email app or your browser as root / administrator or anything like that. What's the ingress here refering to?
*sigh* Another dimbulb web luser. Listen up son, WAP != WWW. WAP may use HTTP for part of its process, but that is as close as it gets. You've been mis-sold WAP as being related to the Internet, it is not.
That was a clear flaimbait but I'll bait.. I've been giving WAP training to Nokia personell and I've been involved in coding demos used by Nokia to display what WAP is. I did these things a year before you had ever even HEARD the abbreviation "WAP". Nokia's idea of WAP was EXACTLY to get the Internet to the phone. I can't speak about other cell phone manufacturers. In fact, I'm not speaking for Nokia either, but this is the view I got from talking and working with them. And btw, WAP 2.0 will be XHTML.. Oh.. and btw.. WAP was even marketed as WWW/MMM (World Wide Web, Mobile Media Mode) right after the initial launch. This was supported by several cell phone manufacturers.
Also, in addition to Nokia, I've worked closely with Siemens and their WAP stuff and they too sure seem to think that WAP is the web on your cell phone, though they have a much more "it's applications"-view of it.
Calling me a "dimbulb" when it comes to WAP is not exactly accurate.
That is an excessively negative outlook. I can name one WAP site which get in excess of 1M hits a day.
Well, whoopee. I rest my case. You can name ONE site. And even so, you didn't even name it.
I don't agree... Think about what happened to WAP. I was involved very early in making WAP stuff - even before the term WAP was announced. At first, I was very excited at the thought of being able to use "the web" over a cellular phone but after realizing what it was all about (reinventing the whe.. uh, web) but especially after seeing the poor interoperability between various handset makers' browsers, I quickly changed my view. Now, I own a phone that has a WAP browser but I've only used WAP once - to test my data connection.
Today, WAP is a complete flop. Nobody cares to do any content for it because the technology screams "proprietary". Nobody cares about using WAP because there's no content and the little content that there is will most likely not work properly with your handset.
I'm very excited about Bluetooth but at the same time I'm already worried when I hear reports like this. I've seen marketdroids talk about how "Bluetooth uses a frequency that is available in every country in the world!". The truth is that in several countries, the frequency is already used by something else. In France, for instance, it's a military frequency and it remains to be seen if Bluetooth will work reliably there at all. Microwaves and energy saving light bulbs will also cause problems for Bluetooth... From what I understand, the bandwidth is also not too great. It's enough to connect to the net to check your email and surf and it's enough to remove cables between your mouse, keyboard and computer. It's not, however, enough for wireless LAN's, printers, scanners and a shitload of other stuff. It seems like, before Bluetooth even has arrived, it's already facing a wall of problems. Not very encouraging...
I couldn't find any info in the article if there is no support for DVD or just no DVD player bundled. To me, it's a big difference. If it's just "no DVD player", then it's kinda funny how people are crying about it. Meanwhile, when Microsoft bundles a web browser, *THAT* is a reason to cry about. Hmm.. So which is it? Should stuff be bundled or not? Ok, sorry, sorry, I know there were other issues invovled, like killing Netscape and integrating it so deep into the OS that you couldn't separate them without a surgical operation. I just couldn't resist. But seriously, if it's just that there is no player, then it's no big deal IMHO. If there is no support for DVD drives, then THAT is bad, tho I imagine that it won't be long before you can download those from their web site anyway.
In any case, if I owned a Mac, which I don't, I wouldn't get the first version of Mac OS X in any case. I'd wait for Mac OS X.0.5 or whatever, some 6-12 months after the release of this initial version.
It's not a problem. The "always trust content from...." is not on a name basis but on a certificate basis. These phoney (or any other) certificates won't automatically be accepted.
Which American crypto companies operate in Finland? I live in Finland and I can't think of one.
SSH is founded by a finn (Tatu Ylönen) and it is stationed here. It may have offices elsewhere but it's a finnish company. F-Secure is a finnish company and is stationed here, but it too may have offices elsewhere. It's still a 100% finnish company.
No, I read it right and for the record, english is my third language so that considering, I don't think I'm doing all that bad.
What I meant was: what good does karma going back and forth do for advertisers? They could not care less who has karma has who hasn't. All the care about is that people see their ads. ANY blocking ability is bad. Now, if people could block but blocking cost money, then that would be an alternative source of income for Slashdot. The advertisers would probably still not be too happy, but for Slashdot, it would even out. If users pay with karma.. well.. my question is.. what the hell does Slashdot do with karma? That makes no sense.
Advertisers already get feedback (click through ratios etc.) about their ads so that's not a very good argument IMHO.
I wasn't aware people could already block ads on Slashdot. I'm amazed that advertisers still advertise here in that case.
That's insightful? Hello? Some logic would be welcome, not just for the moderations.
If people can block ads then the companies that sponsor Slashdot (by paying Slashtof for allowing their banners) get less visibility and they don't want to pay as much as a result. Hell, why put up ads at all and pay if nobody sees them! Slashdot can only lose money if people can block ads. So what do you propose that Slashdot gets in return. Karma? Hello? What the hell are they supposed to do with karma?
Yeah, I would have to agree. There are a couple of reasons for this, I think.
First, the people back then were all enthusiastic about what they were doing. You didn't own a modem unless you had figured out on your own that it would be nice to have one. These days, people go out and get an Internet connection because WIRED / Red Herring / Wallpaper / TV / your daily newspaper says it's cool. The vast majority of people on the net are clueless. They can surf on web pages but don't understand what a community is about.
Second, there are too many people on the net. On your average BBS, there would be on the order of a couple of hundred or thousand users with a handful of really active ones. On Slashdot, for instance, five minutes after a new article is posted, there will be 50 comments to it, most of which will contain goat sex, first post, beowulf clusters or microsoft sucks. With the lousy signal / noise ratio, nobody learns to really know eachother and thus no community is formed. This is true even for the more successful of the online virtual communities such as Slashdot.
"If anybody is saying that they have definitively proved to [the] 99 percentile that Mars Polar Lander has or hasn't been found, they are overstating the situation grossly," Weiler said.
Now remind me again, what was the Slashdot topic for this story?
News for your mindless brain: Every IT-stock nowadays is on an all-time low. This is hardly Linux' fault.
Well, the fact that every IT stock is low right now isn't Linux's fault but there's a huge difference between the value crashes, to be fair. One year ago, IBM was at 115, now it is at 90. A year ago, Microsoft was at 100, now it is at 55. A year ago, Red Hat was at 60, now it is at under 6! VA Linux is down from 90 to 3! Clearly, the Linux / Open Source stocks have come down *WAY* more than the closed source IBM and Microsoft. Even Sun that has struggled is "only" down from 45 to 18 from one year ago. For some of the less known companies on the OTC list, there's Bluepoint Linux software down from 15 to 0.56 and Linux Wizardy Systems down from 2.5 to 0.06.
I don't want to spoil all the fun but I can't help but laugh when I see someone noticing a story about how Linux is used in some space related case and immediately everyone is talking about how Microsoft is going to die and how this is a sign of how superrior open source is.
Guys.. There have been laptops on just about every shuttle flight so far, for use in various tasks. The laptops have usually been IBM thinkpads and the OS has usually been NT. The fact that someone is using Linux is nice, but it doesn't prove shit - one way or the other. All the other thousands of satellites in space use something else, you know...
It's the same when ONE city in ONE country (Mexico) decides to install Linux on both of their computers and it deserves a news here and a discussion with several hundreds of enthusiastic posts about world domination. Meanwhile, I'm sure Microsoft had hundreds of installations of Windows 9x / NT / 2k elsewhere in the world.
Now I have nothing against Linux - I develop software for it at work as a matter of fact - but I'd like to see some realism and balance in the news here. I don't know about the rest of you but I'd like to read "news for nerds, stuff that matters" - not just braindead pro Linux propaganda that isn't anchored in reality.
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This is getting boring but.. No...NET is about a common language runtime and about languge independent applications running on any platform that has the common language runtime - just like Java, except with a twist and with much more Windows-lock in. ASP.NET is about using this platform for CGI-type of dynamic web applications..NET is also a lot about web based applications and about using a web browser as the "platform" for this (DHTML, scripts, components etc.) SOAP is about calling software on other machines over HTTP using an XML based protocol. This is all part of.NET..NET is NOT however, about moving the display of one Windows application to another machine, like VNC or X is. So you're wrong when you say that ".NET IS ACTUALLY about remotely running Windows applications."
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Just what exactly does.NET have to do with X, VNC, Citrix ICA, Windows Terminal Server etc.!?.NET is not about remotely running Windows applications. Geez. Is it a must to involve Microsoft in EVERY single story even if they are in no way related to it?
I don't think so. I have both a Palm IIIx and a Compaq iPAQ and the Palm locks up way more (and crashes) than the iPAQ. In fact, I think my iPAQ has only locked up once, and that was when trying a beta of the new Sun Java VM.. The Palm crashes and has weird glitches every other day. I recently upgraded the Palm OS (not a free upgrade btw) to Palm OS 3.5 and that helped things a little.
I think you're jumping to conclusions a little too fast just because it's a Microsoft product.
Oh.. I almost forgot.. Coding for a Palm sucks bigtime compared to coding for Windows CE, which is almost exactly like coding for Win NT! Microsoft has *free* tools for Win CE; both Visual Basic and Visual C++ - including visual GUI builders for both.
No RAM left to do anything practical?! Try the 1 GB microdrive hard drive that plugs into the CF port of your favorite Win CE device for starters. Plug in your head phones and your Win CE device is also now the coolest portable mp3 player out there. If you don't want that, you could use a 192MB CF card - it should be enough for starters.
Because it's my assumption that the reason I lost karma was that my moderations where meta moderated to be unfair, which I strongly disagree with. I couldn't care less if my karma is 10 or 50. I just think that it's weird that I did my job as a moderator and lost karma as a result; that's not how it's supposed to work, is it?
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ha-ha. Instead of sarcasm, why can't we be glad to see that Microsoft finally sees to have understood that quality matters. If you look at their pages about Windows XP and even Windows 2000, there's a lot of emphasis on stability and quality. They show benchmarks showing that they are more stable etc. etc. Judging from my own experience, it's true too.. Microsoft really seems to have shifted a lot of focus to quality and stability. It may or may not be because open source and Linux etc. but it's a good thing and I for one applaud that.
Lots of good points.. I guess I have totally given up on surfing at anything less than 1. This means I don't see the vast majority of PURE crap (first posts, beowulf clusters, goatse.cx etc. From that point of view, it would be better to get the good posts that have a rating of 1 to get a rating of 2 (or more) so that one could set the filter to 2 and get an even better signal ratio.
But either way, spending points moderating serious posts "off topic" just because they were slightly off topic seems like an awful waste to me. Same goes for many "redundant" moderations. So what if there's a little redundancy? It's much worse to have a lot of pure crap in there than to have some ok post that is redundant. That's what I think anyway.
Dude, moderator points are mostly wasted on things like "oh, oh! i don't think that was QUITE on topic! i'll moderate it down for being 'off topic'" or "oh!!! i think i saw another post touching that a few screens up, i'll moderate this one down for 'redundant'". Instead, moderators should spend their points moderating GOOD POSTS UP! It's sad, because many good posts never get moderated up - probably because all moderator points are wasted on crap.
And.. a little rant.. ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY off topic that mentions something even slightly positive about Microsoft will always be moderated down. Anything, no matter how off topic, that says something negative about Microsoft will either be moderated up or left untouched. It doesn't matter if the story is about the Muppet Show or Mars landers..
You still didn't answer my question. Yes, Windows has poor / no concept of security but what does OS *INTEGRATION* have to do with any of this?
"Oh, and thanks to Microsoft innovation - you may remember this from the trial - the browser is integrated with the OS, so reading email from an attacker (opening attachments not necessary) also gives them full access to your machine."
Why does integration with the OS automatically give an attacker full access to your machine? Just because IE comes with the system and because it shares DLL's that the system uses doesn't mean that you would be running your email app or your browser as root / administrator or anything like that. What's the ingress here refering to?
Because of the 30 million users that use AIM?
That was a clear flaimbait but I'll bait.. I've been giving WAP training to Nokia personell and I've been involved in coding demos used by Nokia to display what WAP is. I did these things a year before you had ever even HEARD the abbreviation "WAP". Nokia's idea of WAP was EXACTLY to get the Internet to the phone. I can't speak about other cell phone manufacturers. In fact, I'm not speaking for Nokia either, but this is the view I got from talking and working with them. And btw, WAP 2.0 will be XHTML.. Oh.. and btw.. WAP was even marketed as WWW/MMM (World Wide Web, Mobile Media Mode) right after the initial launch. This was supported by several cell phone manufacturers.
Also, in addition to Nokia, I've worked closely with Siemens and their WAP stuff and they too sure seem to think that WAP is the web on your cell phone, though they have a much more "it's applications"-view of it.
Calling me a "dimbulb" when it comes to WAP is not exactly accurate.
That is an excessively negative outlook. I can name one WAP site which get in excess of 1M hits a day.
Well, whoopee. I rest my case. You can name ONE site. And even so, you didn't even name it.
I don't agree... Think about what happened to WAP. I was involved very early in making WAP stuff - even before the term WAP was announced. At first, I was very excited at the thought of being able to use "the web" over a cellular phone but after realizing what it was all about (reinventing the whe.. uh, web) but especially after seeing the poor interoperability between various handset makers' browsers, I quickly changed my view. Now, I own a phone that has a WAP browser but I've only used WAP once - to test my data connection.
Today, WAP is a complete flop. Nobody cares to do any content for it because the technology screams "proprietary". Nobody cares about using WAP because there's no content and the little content that there is will most likely not work properly with your handset.
I'm very excited about Bluetooth but at the same time I'm already worried when I hear reports like this. I've seen marketdroids talk about how "Bluetooth uses a frequency that is available in every country in the world!". The truth is that in several countries, the frequency is already used by something else. In France, for instance, it's a military frequency and it remains to be seen if Bluetooth will work reliably there at all. Microwaves and energy saving light bulbs will also cause problems for Bluetooth... From what I understand, the bandwidth is also not too great. It's enough to connect to the net to check your email and surf and it's enough to remove cables between your mouse, keyboard and computer. It's not, however, enough for wireless LAN's, printers, scanners and a shitload of other stuff. It seems like, before Bluetooth even has arrived, it's already facing a wall of problems. Not very encouraging...
I couldn't find any info in the article if there is no support for DVD or just no DVD player bundled. To me, it's a big difference. If it's just "no DVD player", then it's kinda funny how people are crying about it. Meanwhile, when Microsoft bundles a web browser, *THAT* is a reason to cry about. Hmm.. So which is it? Should stuff be bundled or not? Ok, sorry, sorry, I know there were other issues invovled, like killing Netscape and integrating it so deep into the OS that you couldn't separate them without a surgical operation. I just couldn't resist. But seriously, if it's just that there is no player, then it's no big deal IMHO. If there is no support for DVD drives, then THAT is bad, tho I imagine that it won't be long before you can download those from their web site anyway.
In any case, if I owned a Mac, which I don't, I wouldn't get the first version of Mac OS X in any case. I'd wait for Mac OS X.0.5 or whatever, some 6-12 months after the release of this initial version.
It's not a problem. The "always trust content from ...." is not on a name basis but on a certificate basis. These phoney (or any other) certificates won't automatically be accepted.
Which American crypto companies operate in Finland? I live in Finland and I can't think of one.
SSH is founded by a finn (Tatu Ylönen) and it is stationed here. It may have offices elsewhere but it's a finnish company. F-Secure is a finnish company and is stationed here, but it too may have offices elsewhere. It's still a 100% finnish company.
No, I read it right and for the record, english is my third language so that considering, I don't think I'm doing all that bad.
What I meant was: what good does karma going back and forth do for advertisers? They could not care less who has karma has who hasn't. All the care about is that people see their ads. ANY blocking ability is bad. Now, if people could block but blocking cost money, then that would be an alternative source of income for Slashdot. The advertisers would probably still not be too happy, but for Slashdot, it would even out. If users pay with karma.. well.. my question is.. what the hell does Slashdot do with karma? That makes no sense.
Advertisers already get feedback (click through ratios etc.) about their ads so that's not a very good argument IMHO.
I wasn't aware people could already block ads on Slashdot. I'm amazed that advertisers still advertise here in that case.
And in the meantime, people can use an HTML parser in a proxy to filter out the banners like they have done for the past 5 years.
That's insightful? Hello? Some logic would be welcome, not just for the moderations.
If people can block ads then the companies that sponsor Slashdot (by paying Slashtof for allowing their banners) get less visibility and they don't want to pay as much as a result. Hell, why put up ads at all and pay if nobody sees them! Slashdot can only lose money if people can block ads. So what do you propose that Slashdot gets in return. Karma? Hello? What the hell are they supposed to do with karma?
Yeah, I would have to agree. There are a couple of reasons for this, I think.
First, the people back then were all enthusiastic about what they were doing. You didn't own a modem unless you had figured out on your own that it would be nice to have one. These days, people go out and get an Internet connection because WIRED / Red Herring / Wallpaper / TV / your daily newspaper says it's cool. The vast majority of people on the net are clueless. They can surf on web pages but don't understand what a community is about.
Second, there are too many people on the net. On your average BBS, there would be on the order of a couple of hundred or thousand users with a handful of really active ones. On Slashdot, for instance, five minutes after a new article is posted, there will be 50 comments to it, most of which will contain goat sex, first post, beowulf clusters or microsoft sucks. With the lousy signal / noise ratio, nobody learns to really know eachother and thus no community is formed. This is true even for the more successful of the online virtual communities such as Slashdot.
From the article:
"If anybody is saying that they have definitively proved to [the] 99 percentile that Mars Polar Lander has or hasn't been found, they are overstating the situation grossly," Weiler said.
Now remind me again, what was the Slashdot topic for this story?
Well, the fact that every IT stock is low right now isn't Linux's fault but there's a huge difference between the value crashes, to be fair. One year ago, IBM was at 115, now it is at 90. A year ago, Microsoft was at 100, now it is at 55. A year ago, Red Hat was at 60, now it is at under 6! VA Linux is down from 90 to 3! Clearly, the Linux / Open Source stocks have come down *WAY* more than the closed source IBM and Microsoft. Even Sun that has struggled is "only" down from 45 to 18 from one year ago. For some of the less known companies on the OTC list, there's Bluepoint Linux software down from 15 to 0.56 and Linux Wizardy Systems down from 2.5 to 0.06.
I guess their problems with NT were't as bad as many people here would like to believe.
There is no such thing as "Silicon Graphics" anymore. They changed their name to SGI a good while back.
I don't want to spoil all the fun but I can't help but laugh when I see someone noticing a story about how Linux is used in some space related case and immediately everyone is talking about how Microsoft is going to die and how this is a sign of how superrior open source is.
Guys.. There have been laptops on just about every shuttle flight so far, for use in various tasks. The laptops have usually been IBM thinkpads and the OS has usually been NT. The fact that someone is using Linux is nice, but it doesn't prove shit - one way or the other. All the other thousands of satellites in space use something else, you know...
It's the same when ONE city in ONE country (Mexico) decides to install Linux on both of their computers and it deserves a news here and a discussion with several hundreds of enthusiastic posts about world domination. Meanwhile, I'm sure Microsoft had hundreds of installations of Windows 9x / NT / 2k elsewhere in the world.
Now I have nothing against Linux - I develop software for it at work as a matter of fact - but I'd like to see some realism and balance in the news here. I don't know about the rest of you but I'd like to read "news for nerds, stuff that matters" - not just braindead pro Linux propaganda that isn't anchored in reality.
This is getting boring but.. No.. .NET is about a common language runtime and about languge independent applications running on any platform that has the common language runtime - just like Java, except with a twist and with much more Windows-lock in. ASP.NET is about using this platform for CGI-type of dynamic web applications. .NET is also a lot about web based applications and about using a web browser as the "platform" for this (DHTML, scripts, components etc.) SOAP is about calling software on other machines over HTTP using an XML based protocol. This is all part of .NET. .NET is NOT however, about moving the display of one Windows application to another machine, like VNC or X is. So you're wrong when you say that ".NET IS ACTUALLY about remotely running Windows applications."
Just what exactly does .NET have to do with X, VNC, Citrix ICA, Windows Terminal Server etc.!? .NET is not about remotely running Windows applications. Geez. Is it a must to involve Microsoft in EVERY single story even if they are in no way related to it?
I don't think so. I have both a Palm IIIx and a Compaq iPAQ and the Palm locks up way more (and crashes) than the iPAQ. In fact, I think my iPAQ has only locked up once, and that was when trying a beta of the new Sun Java VM.. The Palm crashes and has weird glitches every other day. I recently upgraded the Palm OS (not a free upgrade btw) to Palm OS 3.5 and that helped things a little.
I think you're jumping to conclusions a little too fast just because it's a Microsoft product.
Oh.. I almost forgot.. Coding for a Palm sucks bigtime compared to coding for Windows CE, which is almost exactly like coding for Win NT! Microsoft has *free* tools for Win CE; both Visual Basic and Visual C++ - including visual GUI builders for both.
No RAM left to do anything practical?! Try the 1 GB microdrive hard drive that plugs into the CF port of your favorite Win CE device for starters. Plug in your head phones and your Win CE device is also now the coolest portable mp3 player out there. If you don't want that, you could use a 192MB CF card - it should be enough for starters.
Because it's my assumption that the reason I lost karma was that my moderations where meta moderated to be unfair, which I strongly disagree with. I couldn't care less if my karma is 10 or 50. I just think that it's weird that I did my job as a moderator and lost karma as a result; that's not how it's supposed to work, is it?