I think it's still sensationalist nonsense to claim Britain isn't a free country, god only knows we still don't have quite the limits on free speech of France and Germany.
The second part of the sentence seemed to be offered as 'proof' that the claim that Britain isn't a free country is sensationalist nonsense.
Well, I know you didn't mean it that way now, but that's what I thought at the time. I see a lot of people use logic like that.
There's always room for improvement but I tend to weight things based on comparisons to other countries.
Whereas I tend to judge things on their own merits.
so I don't really know why you'd jump to such a conclusion in the first place.
Because I thought you were making such an argument.
I just love this extreme stupidity. "Let's waste obscene amounts of money because country X might attack us at some unspecified point in the future! That's what the land of the free is all about! Stealing money from its citizens and wasting it!" The thing, the military waste is never going to end, because it's always a possibility that someone will attack us. I'd rather just take the 'risk' rather than waste my money.
Great. More "for the children" bullshit. Why should children be treated as special? If we deport adults, I think we should deport children. If we don't deport children, I think we shouldn't deport adults, either. Pick one, or find another solution that's at least consistent. I'm tired of ageist bullshit.
However it is very hard to find someone who was self educated that also learned the boring stuff, or stuff that they personally considered useless. Ie, no theory, no advanced maths, no long nights spent struggling through physics problems, etc.
I find it's very hard to find people like that at all, including among college and university graduates. They do the work because they want a job, but they often don't truly understand any of it or have a passion for it.
That's different from skipping college altogether, or worse as this article is about, skipping high school.
Worse!? High schools are absolute garbage 99% of the time and have very little to offer. You're definitely better off self-educating in those cases.
There is a lot of bad information out there when it comes to programming or examples.
That's true of everything, including universities and colleges. I don't trust much of anything, and I use those fabled critical thinking skills (which, of course, also can only be acquired in university, and no one ever has them before that) you later mention to try to figure out which sources of information are the most accurate.
Quite a bit in high profile open source projects.
Why mention open source projects specifically? What about the countless failures of proprietary software, and the countless more that haven't even been noticed or fixed thanks to most people not being able to read or modify the source?
The most important thing I learned at my Uni was how to use critical thinking to help identify bad information.
Again, information doesn't only exist in universities, and nor do critical thinking skills.
At least in my experience, going to a Uni was a very unique way to sharpen my ability to analyze information presented to me, primarily by learning from other people who are different than me, how they think.
Once again...
Without being in the same room and having a moderator(teacher in this case), I don't see how anyone could get this same experience.
That's because you lack the imagination to see how anyone could be different from yourself. Not everyone learns in the same way. Not everyone fits into the formal education environment; most don't. And you certainly don't need formal education to learn anything or gain critical thinking skills; not usually, anyway.
About the only way you might encounter a problem is when information is locked down. I've heard of some knowledge that only universities and such have access to, while everything else is out of date. People tend to assume that Wikipedia is up to date on everything, or can at least point you in the right direction, but that's not necessarily true at times.
Bullshit. College has become an investment in your future earning potential; it's all about the money.
That's the way it is. I don't deny that. But that's not the way it should be. This awful situation is thanks to greedy, foolish employers, people who have a complete misunderstanding of what real education is about, and the government for letting too many people take on loans and grants who frankly shouldn't be there to begin with.
The theory lasts for a lifetime, the framework only lasts until the next fad comes out.
Who says they're not learning the theory?
I've found over time that those who are self taught often have the most trouble adapting to the changing job requirements whereas those with the education (even if it's not in CS) are more adaptable.
This is exactly as true for a grand majority of college graduates that I've met.
However I find it amazing that someone would _voluntarily_ inflict themselves with that sort of handicap.
Maybe someone believes that they shouldn't have to go into massive debt to get an education. Maybe someone doesn't want to be controlled by the system that demands they go to college/university for an education. Not everyone is a drone that will fit right in a formal education environment.
Sadly, sometimes this can't be done. Scummy colleges/universities and publishers will sometimes give you a code along with the book that can be used to access some website, and it can only be used once. In the situations I'm talking about, the website will be required for the course. That doesn't make the book itself useless, but it does make it difficult for people in those courses to buy used books.
I'm not saying it's fair or that I approve of that, but it will happen.
If everyone goes to college in search of a job, colleges and universities will strive to become little more than poor imitations of trade schools, to satisfy all these people and get their money. We're already starting to see this. The 'Everybody's gotta go to college!' mentality is poisonous for education.
They should go seeking an education that will improve their understanding of the universe. The employers who uselessly require degrees, the students who buy into it and go to college/university just so they can get a job, and our society which doesn't understand education are at fault.
Furthermore, if you're going to put in all that effort at a bad college, then just self-educate. By going to college for the money, you're letting the status quo control you.
First, quite a lot of colleges and universities DO provide a good education, and even a bad college gives a good education if the student works for it.
Very few colleges and universities give a good education.
Second, that degree gives you a huge leg up on people without a degree.
That's due to blatant discrimination. Furthermore, you should not be going to college/university for money.
You can learn many of the same things by self-educating that you can learn in colleges/universities. I've heard some specialized information is difficult to get, though.
I find almost nobody without at least 3 years of college has a decent grasp of the fundamentals of computer science- data structures, algorithms, critical thinking and design.
I find that most people who went to college don't understand such things, either.
Freedom? You want the "free speech right" of a rapist to trump a rape victim's freedom to decide whether or not to be be in an adult video.
Erm... I think you're forgetting that this is about censorship. They were forced to be in the actual video, and it's too late to decide that they don't want to be in it. Go after the rapists.
But yes, I think the importance of free speech trumps the importance of censoring videos that such victims don't want others to see.
It's possible you're not trolling, but it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone would mod you up. So much for #NotAllMen and all those "slashdot isn't misogynist!" comments...
I'm not sure what this has to do with men or women. It applies to everyone.
Yeah, it's kind of sad how very few places will tolerate anyone who truly cares (rather than pretends to care while supporting policies infringe upon free speech rights) about free speech.
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Yeah, who cares about all the collateral damage? What matters in free countries is that we catch the 'bad guys'!
It doesn't imply any such thing to me, and I'm a native English speaker. I view 'curse words' as nothing more than simple words.
I think it's still sensationalist nonsense to claim Britain isn't a free country, god only knows we still don't have quite the limits on free speech of France and Germany.
The second part of the sentence seemed to be offered as 'proof' that the claim that Britain isn't a free country is sensationalist nonsense.
Well, I know you didn't mean it that way now, but that's what I thought at the time. I see a lot of people use logic like that.
There's always room for improvement but I tend to weight things based on comparisons to other countries.
Whereas I tend to judge things on their own merits.
so I don't really know why you'd jump to such a conclusion in the first place.
Because I thought you were making such an argument.
god only knows we still don't have quite the limits on free speech of France and Germany
"X is worse than Y" != "Y is good."
Why do people adore this 'logic' so much? Evaluate something on its own merits.
I just love this extreme stupidity. "Let's waste obscene amounts of money because country X might attack us at some unspecified point in the future! That's what the land of the free is all about! Stealing money from its citizens and wasting it!" The thing, the military waste is never going to end, because it's always a possibility that someone will attack us. I'd rather just take the 'risk' rather than waste my money.
A) Because we can. Isn't it right to keep children safe?
Children are no more important than anyone else. How about: "Because we can. Isn't it right to keep people safe?"
If you can't stand these priorities, please consider signing this: http://petitions.moveon.org/si...
Great. More "for the children" bullshit. Why should children be treated as special? If we deport adults, I think we should deport children. If we don't deport children, I think we shouldn't deport adults, either. Pick one, or find another solution that's at least consistent. I'm tired of ageist bullshit.
There is a strong consensus among economists
Does anyone still take economists seriously? They're even worse than psychologists.
Worse!? High schools are absolute garbage 99% of the time and have very little to offer.
In fact, I would say they're just one-size-fits-all rote memorization facilities.
However it is very hard to find someone who was self educated that also learned the boring stuff, or stuff that they personally considered useless. Ie, no theory, no advanced maths, no long nights spent struggling through physics problems, etc.
I find it's very hard to find people like that at all, including among college and university graduates. They do the work because they want a job, but they often don't truly understand any of it or have a passion for it.
That's different from skipping college altogether, or worse as this article is about, skipping high school.
Worse!? High schools are absolute garbage 99% of the time and have very little to offer. You're definitely better off self-educating in those cases.
Okay, then that just means it's the same debt as always. Not much has changed.
There is a lot of bad information out there when it comes to programming or examples.
That's true of everything, including universities and colleges. I don't trust much of anything, and I use those fabled critical thinking skills (which, of course, also can only be acquired in university, and no one ever has them before that) you later mention to try to figure out which sources of information are the most accurate.
Quite a bit in high profile open source projects.
Why mention open source projects specifically? What about the countless failures of proprietary software, and the countless more that haven't even been noticed or fixed thanks to most people not being able to read or modify the source?
The most important thing I learned at my Uni was how to use critical thinking to help identify bad information.
Again, information doesn't only exist in universities, and nor do critical thinking skills.
At least in my experience, going to a Uni was a very unique way to sharpen my ability to analyze information presented to me, primarily by learning from other people who are different than me, how they think.
Once again...
Without being in the same room and having a moderator(teacher in this case), I don't see how anyone could get this same experience.
That's because you lack the imagination to see how anyone could be different from yourself. Not everyone learns in the same way. Not everyone fits into the formal education environment; most don't. And you certainly don't need formal education to learn anything or gain critical thinking skills; not usually, anyway.
About the only way you might encounter a problem is when information is locked down. I've heard of some knowledge that only universities and such have access to, while everything else is out of date. People tend to assume that Wikipedia is up to date on everything, or can at least point you in the right direction, but that's not necessarily true at times.
Bullshit. College has become an investment in your future earning potential; it's all about the money.
That's the way it is. I don't deny that. But that's not the way it should be. This awful situation is thanks to greedy, foolish employers, people who have a complete misunderstanding of what real education is about, and the government for letting too many people take on loans and grants who frankly shouldn't be there to begin with.
The theory lasts for a lifetime, the framework only lasts until the next fad comes out.
Who says they're not learning the theory?
I've found over time that those who are self taught often have the most trouble adapting to the changing job requirements whereas those with the education (even if it's not in CS) are more adaptable.
This is exactly as true for a grand majority of college graduates that I've met.
However I find it amazing that someone would _voluntarily_ inflict themselves with that sort of handicap.
Maybe someone believes that they shouldn't have to go into massive debt to get an education. Maybe someone doesn't want to be controlled by the system that demands they go to college/university for an education. Not everyone is a drone that will fit right in a formal education environment.
get used books or borrow a friend's
Sadly, sometimes this can't be done. Scummy colleges/universities and publishers will sometimes give you a code along with the book that can be used to access some website, and it can only be used once. In the situations I'm talking about, the website will be required for the course. That doesn't make the book itself useless, but it does make it difficult for people in those courses to buy used books.
I'm not saying it's fair or that I approve of that, but it will happen.
If everyone goes to college in search of a job, colleges and universities will strive to become little more than poor imitations of trade schools, to satisfy all these people and get their money. We're already starting to see this. The 'Everybody's gotta go to college!' mentality is poisonous for education.
They should go seeking an education that will improve their understanding of the universe. The employers who uselessly require degrees, the students who buy into it and go to college/university just so they can get a job, and our society which doesn't understand education are at fault.
It's also self-fulfilling in that those that go to college tend to be the self educated after college.
Most people, including those who went to college, do not self-educate properly, or at all.
Most of this stuff is fairly boring but necessary to full understand how to do the fun big picture stuff.
Colleges and universities are far from the only sources of information, especially in the information age.
Sure, I've met plenty of unimpressive people with advanced technical education but I meet tons more unimpressive under trained folks.
I meet about the same amount of both, once you eliminate people who blatantly made no attempt to properly self-educate.
Furthermore, if you're going to put in all that effort at a bad college, then just self-educate. By going to college for the money, you're letting the status quo control you.
First, quite a lot of colleges and universities DO provide a good education, and even a bad college gives a good education if the student works for it.
Very few colleges and universities give a good education.
Second, that degree gives you a huge leg up on people without a degree.
That's due to blatant discrimination. Furthermore, you should not be going to college/university for money.
You can learn many of the same things by self-educating that you can learn in colleges/universities. I've heard some specialized information is difficult to get, though.
And comparing self-education done wrong with formal education done right is just silly.
I find almost nobody without at least 3 years of college has a decent grasp of the fundamentals of computer science- data structures, algorithms, critical thinking and design.
I find that most people who went to college don't understand such things, either.
Most colleges and universities also don't provide a good education. What is your point?
Freedom? You want the "free speech right" of a rapist to trump a rape victim's freedom to decide whether or not to be be in an adult video.
Erm... I think you're forgetting that this is about censorship. They were forced to be in the actual video, and it's too late to decide that they don't want to be in it. Go after the rapists.
But yes, I think the importance of free speech trumps the importance of censoring videos that such victims don't want others to see.
It's possible you're not trolling, but it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone would mod you up. So much for #NotAllMen and all those "slashdot isn't misogynist!" comments...
I'm not sure what this has to do with men or women. It applies to everyone.
No. The victims, the children themselves, should have a copyright to the tape.
Using copyright in such a way is absolutely absurd. It's just a legal hack.
Yeah, it's kind of sad how very few places will tolerate anyone who truly cares (rather than pretends to care while supporting policies infringe upon free speech rights) about free speech.