Non-sentient devices will always behave in a predictable, controllable fashion.
Has little to do with sentience, but more with complexity and knowledge of their internal state. In a sentient being that state is obviously complex and unknown.
Personally, I simply don't need a bunch of big plastic tchotschkies, no matter how fast I can print them.
Maybe you only need one, and you can still benefit from a fast 3D printer.
Say, for instance, you own a classic car, and some stupid piece of plastic breaks in half. You take the two halves to a shop in town that uses a 3D scanner to get the size of the parts, puts them back together in the computer, cleans it up, and then 3D prints a replacement.
A company that I work for does a lot of 3D prototyping, but they don't have a 3D printer. They just upload the designs, and get the finished parts 24 hours later by courier. Faster printing time means that the company that's doing the 3D printing can print more designs per day, and lower the cost per item.
Also, if the resolution is high enough, you can do the same thing in production volumes. If your business is selling machines that are made from many different parts, it makes sense to 3D print some parts. 3D printing offers design options that aren't available with CNC milling, and the price can be better too. And if the volume is low (think 100-1000 items/year), injection molding will be more expensive.
I'm sorry you can't imagine a scenario different from your own experience.
There are already places in the Netherlands where they have combined electricity/heat plants. The waste heat from the electricity generator is pumped around underground conduits for heating houses.
You could combine these plants with extra computer server rooms. Start with cold water, run it through the servers, send the warm water into the steam generator where it will take less energy to turn into steam. Send the hot water to the houses.
If women are willing to do the same work for less money, you'd think that employers would be very interested in hiring them, and save a bunch of money.
So for those 20% that are men - is it difficult for them to succeed as vets? Is it viewed as somewhat non-masculine behavior? Is it actually viewed as uncommon as in "so what do you do? A what? A vet? Wow, are there many men that are vets?"
Must be difficult, because we've been told that all male/female differences are due to societal pressures, and not because of innate interests.
Have you considered that there may be societal pressures about what a woman is supposed to be, and a nerdy programmer doesn't fit that?
Yes, I have considered that. Have you considered that there's also societal pressures against men who are nerdy programmers ? Or against men wanting to become fashion designers ? Still, if you have a passion, you're not going to let society stop you.
Or try giving a young girl a lego set for her birthday and see what the other adults think.
I have a son and a daughter, and we had boxes of legos, cars, dolls, and various other toys all in the living room where both could play with anything they wanted. And from the beginning it was very clear that they had their own interests. Even if they were both playing with the legos, my son was always building cars and bridges with them. My daughter was building houses and people.
so that's your argument - programming is analogous to sports, that women are inferior coders?
Pretty much, yes.
because their brains aren't as strong as men's brains?
'Strong' is the wrong adjective. I would say that male and female brains are optimized for different functions, just as their bodies are. But for some reason, it's okay to talk about the different optimization in the physical body, whereas it is a taboo to discuss differences in the brain.
I wasn't talking about getting hired. I was talking about following a passion. That's where it all starts. And if you have a passion for programming, you'll find that the barrier to get started is very low. All it takes is a cheap computer and access to the internet. And you can even pick a neutral nickname/e-mail address, and start working on open source projects without anybody even being able to judge you on your gender.
The simple fact is that very few women are interested in that. Incidentally, very few men are interested in that kind of stuff either, but still a lot more than women.
neither the logging industry nor the child care industry are particularly prestigious, well-paying, or difficult to break into. aka, nobody cares about those fields, they just aren't important enough to worry about, when there are more important conversations to be having.
Professional baseball (or soccer in the rest of the world) is a prestigious, well-paying job. Why aren't people complaining that there are no women playing there ?
If there's an exact clone of you, nobody would care if the original was dead. Not even you. If your new copy was more durable than the old, that would be appealing to everybody, since they wouldn't have to worry that you'd suddenly die.
What makes you think women don't like programming? Is it because there are so few women doing it? That sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Because most women have simply no interest in it. Otherwise, they could just buy a computer, and teach themselves how to do it. They could buy a hardware device, plug it into their computer, and discover that Linux has no support for it. They could decide to figure out how to write their own device driver, and become a kernel hacker. They may even start their own business. Many men have done exactly that, without anybody pushing them, or even supporting them.
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Robots do what humans ask them to do. Robots don't need laws
Car, please drive from Seattle to New York.
How's the car supposed to do that if it doesn't know the laws of the road ?
But if robots do in fact become sentient -- not giving them full rights is slavery.
What if they are programmed to enjoy being a slave ?
Non-sentient devices will always behave in a predictable, controllable fashion.
Has little to do with sentience, but more with complexity and knowledge of their internal state. In a sentient being that state is obviously complex and unknown.
Now all you have to do is provide unambiguous definitions of all the terms.
How can you have rights without regulation ?
They forgot to flush their research paper.
Personally, I simply don't need a bunch of big plastic tchotschkies, no matter how fast I can print them.
Maybe you only need one, and you can still benefit from a fast 3D printer.
Say, for instance, you own a classic car, and some stupid piece of plastic breaks in half. You take the two halves to a shop in town that uses a 3D scanner to get the size of the parts, puts them back together in the computer, cleans it up, and then 3D prints a replacement.
A company that I work for does a lot of 3D prototyping, but they don't have a 3D printer. They just upload the designs, and get the finished parts 24 hours later by courier. Faster printing time means that the company that's doing the 3D printing can print more designs per day, and lower the cost per item.
Also, if the resolution is high enough, you can do the same thing in production volumes. If your business is selling machines that are made from many different parts, it makes sense to 3D print some parts. 3D printing offers design options that aren't available with CNC milling, and the price can be better too. And if the volume is low (think 100-1000 items/year), injection molding will be more expensive.
I'm sorry you can't imagine a scenario different from your own experience.
No, they are making a wafer, building chips on top, remove thin top layer to sell the chips, and reuse the bottom part.
Exactly. Putting individual servers in residential homes is a stupid plan.
There are already places in the Netherlands where they have combined electricity/heat plants. The waste heat from the electricity generator is pumped around underground conduits for heating houses.
You could combine these plants with extra computer server rooms. Start with cold water, run it through the servers, send the warm water into the steam generator where it will take less energy to turn into steam. Send the hot water to the houses.
You could run an additional heat pump with the cool side attached to the computer.
In the summer, you dump the heat in a river or in the air.
If women are willing to do the same work for less money, you'd think that employers would be very interested in hiring them, and save a bunch of money.
So for those 20% that are men - is it difficult for them to succeed as vets? Is it viewed as somewhat non-masculine behavior? Is it actually viewed as uncommon as in "so what do you do? A what? A vet? Wow, are there many men that are vets?"
Must be difficult, because we've been told that all male/female differences are due to societal pressures, and not because of innate interests.
Have you considered that there may be societal pressures about what a woman is supposed to be, and a nerdy programmer doesn't fit that?
Yes, I have considered that. Have you considered that there's also societal pressures against men who are nerdy programmers ? Or against men wanting to become fashion designers ? Still, if you have a passion, you're not going to let society stop you.
Or try giving a young girl a lego set for her birthday and see what the other adults think.
I have a son and a daughter, and we had boxes of legos, cars, dolls, and various other toys all in the living room where both could play with anything they wanted. And from the beginning it was very clear that they had their own interests. Even if they were both playing with the legos, my son was always building cars and bridges with them. My daughter was building houses and people.
so that's your argument - programming is analogous to sports, that women are inferior coders?
Pretty much, yes.
because their brains aren't as strong as men's brains?
'Strong' is the wrong adjective. I would say that male and female brains are optimized for different functions, just as their bodies are. But for some reason, it's okay to talk about the different optimization in the physical body, whereas it is a taboo to discuss differences in the brain.
True, employers love self-taught programmers.
I wasn't talking about getting hired. I was talking about following a passion. That's where it all starts. And if you have a passion for programming, you'll find that the barrier to get started is very low. All it takes is a cheap computer and access to the internet. And you can even pick a neutral nickname/e-mail address, and start working on open source projects without anybody even being able to judge you on your gender.
The simple fact is that very few women are interested in that. Incidentally, very few men are interested in that kind of stuff either, but still a lot more than women.
neither the logging industry nor the child care industry are particularly prestigious, well-paying, or difficult to break into. aka, nobody cares about those fields, they just aren't important enough to worry about, when there are more important conversations to be having.
Professional baseball (or soccer in the rest of the world) is a prestigious, well-paying job. Why aren't people complaining that there are no women playing there ?
If there's an exact clone of you, nobody would care if the original was dead. Not even you. If your new copy was more durable than the old, that would be appealing to everybody, since they wouldn't have to worry that you'd suddenly die.
What makes you think women don't like programming? Is it because there are so few women doing it? That sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Because most women have simply no interest in it. Otherwise, they could just buy a computer, and teach themselves how to do it. They could buy a hardware device, plug it into their computer, and discover that Linux has no support for it. They could decide to figure out how to write their own device driver, and become a kernel hacker. They may even start their own business. Many men have done exactly that, without anybody pushing them, or even supporting them.
50% of every team needs to be people who miss the point, otherwise it wouldn't be fair.
How about the IQ tests that were designed by non-white people ?
It turns out you probably can't make a computer smart by giving it a large number of simple, deterministic rules
Of course you can. You can even make it smart using just a small number of simple, deterministic rules. You just need a lot of state.
And sugar is just processed sugar cane (or sugar beets), which was also alive.