So yes, flash can lock up a thread, and since a large amount of firefox users intentionally block flash, its not actually that pressing of a need.
This is based on a particular set of assumption - that all Flash is bad, that all Flash is undesired, and that only unwanted Flash is causing problems. And I'm also not sure what percentage of Flashblock FF users have installed, or how it's configured.
In the days of YouTube, Hulu, etc., Flash content is very much desired, and depending on a plugin to fix a fundamental design weakness in the browser is not the best idea I've heard of.
Just because it's not a pressing need for YOU, doesn't mean it's not a pressing need.
I guess at least you can always talk out your ass now that everyone else is doing it and pretend you knew this all along. Obviously it was your idea.
I've actually been talking about this for _years_, here and elsewhere, along with many others, under this undername. If you wish to waste your time, check up on it. But you should do that before you accuse me of jumping on some bandwagon with no proof.
I don't know. When I'm looking at a list of bugs and features requests longer then a book, I tend to be pretty picky about which features I implement as well.
I hope that you concentrate on making a good foundation before building the house, though, which was the problem here. Now that they've built the house on a concrete slab, it's a little hard to put in a full basement.
Oh yeah those lazy bastards at Firefox can't make Flash crash nicely.
I really think your anger would be more just if targeted at Adobe.
Oh, I _really_ hate Adobe, make no mistake. But when you make something like a browser, you have to have the brains to know that plugins are a way of life, and you need to make your browser platform not subject to the whims of the incompetent plugin makers. IMO, anyway.
This is purely anecdotal... but as far as I can tell for my daily usage Chrome is no faster than Firefox 3.5 with adblock. (Adblock ftw)
Anecdotal is the best evidence in this case. I've run Chrome with over 90 tabs, and it kept on chugging. And what does speed have to do with a browser being multi-process? The benefits are security and reliability, with the downside being memory usage.
The memory hogging is a thing of the past as of FF v3.5. It now uses the least memory. It's pretty nice, though Flash seems to have even more problems on this version of FF than before. *sigh*
I'd be worried how plugins work across multiple processes. Do we run an addon seperately for each process? Do they all load under the firefox process? Can we crash an addon in one process and not have it bring down other processes?
Chrome and IE have the benefit of not dealing with those questions.
Sure, cuz there aren't any real add-ons for Chrome yet that don't involve manually installing them via a rather tedious process.
When Flash crashes in Chrome, it crashes in every tab IN Chrome (though it doesn't take out Chrome itself).
I'd like FF to do this better than Chrome - give me the option to run Flash player in each tab separate from Flash player in every other tab. That'd be nice.
It was probably too large a project to consider doing without a pressing need.
Cuz yeah, Flash locking up the entire browser wasn't a pressing need until IE8 and Chrome. Riiiight.
LOTS of us have been asking about this for a VERY long time (years). Leaving it this late is called 'lack of vision'. This should've been in the very first version. Now there IS a ton of code to make this work with. I imagine that's why they call this Electrolysis...it's a hairy problem now that it's been ignored for so long.
As mentioned in the tags, this is a horrible summary. I don't get the feeling I know what Lori was charged with. Is it piracy? Is it shoplifting? Speeding? Drug charges?
She was charged with not RTFA, which is now a felony. Somebody get a rope!
Hilarious. _Every_ big industry in the U.S. is 'welfare run'. What else do you think tax breaks and lobbyists are for? Do you think the coal or oil industries pay anything remotely resembling fair market value for the land & resources they take? Gimme a break.
I've been collecting vintage computer hardware for the last few months, and I gotta say, my Tandy CoCo3 (128K version) has by _far_ the best keyboard of any of the 8 or 16-bit machines I've used. I never used one back in the day, so the mint condition one I just got last month _really_ surprised me with the keyboard feel. I also got a Tandy 102 that was still in its unopened box.:)
Back to the subject of keyboards, though, to say noone has been messing with the layout of keys is to be completely unaware of computers of the last several years. Certainly there's a small player in the industry called 'Microsoft' that has been making some fairly commonly found keyboards that have the keys normally found above the arrow keys to be arranged in strange and remarkably unpleasant ways. I'm pleased to say the latest entry in their 'Natural' line has returned those keys to the proper position - the MS Natural 4000 keyboard not only unbreaks the keyboard layout changes they made in previous keyboards, but also returns the tilt to the correct location - the front, not the back (which actually makes things WORSE ergonomically). Plus it's available in beautiful, beautiful black.:)
Zombies are not harmless! You obviously don't watch enough movies.
Look, _clearly_ there are dangers inherent to zombies, but if YOU had watched enough movies, like, say, Shaun of the Dead, you'd realize they can be made into productive members of society (well, videogame consumers, anyway) if handled appropriately.
As the tshirt says, "Reduce - Reuse - Reanimate. Reduce our dependency on the funerary industrial complex." Get with the program!
SVG should've been here long ago. IE will continue to slow SVG adoption in the real world.
If we could get JPEG2000 (or something like it) and SVG in 95+% of browsers, I think we'd be golden. That and getting rid of IE6 with its broken box model (among many other problems), would go a long way towards modernizing the Web. Take HTML5 and add the top 10 features or so of CSS3, and it's party-time for web devs once again. MS needs to shit or get off the pot with IE.
Why can't farmers, without whose labor and product we would all starve, be able to make a living without leasing their land to wind turbine use?
1) Competition from imported food from countries where the costs are lower and/or subsidized even more than they are here.
2) Bizarre unlevel playing field favoring corporate farms
3) Insistence on super-low food prices by American consumers
4) Unethical actions of agribusiness who make genetically modified seeds that often cannot reproduce, and pesticides that work specifically with their genetically modified plants. Then the lawsuits when seeds that can reproduce get spread by natural means (birds, winds, etc.) to nearby farms who haven't paid for said genetically modified seeds, etc.
5) Transportation costs
6) Water rights (see also #2)
I'm sure an actual farmer would be able to address this better than I can; this is just the stuff I've read about.
Also, why is a farmer leasing a small bit of their land to wind turbines a BAD thing? Think of it as using all parts of the 'animal'.
Besides, when civilization ends in 2012, those kind of farms are going to be _really_ great places to live. Farm for food, with wind turbines right there for electricity. Add electrified fence, and you're in a great position to fend off the zombie hordes/starving, etc. "Be Prepared!"
My real question is, what is the environmental impact going to be from removing all this energy from the weather?
Hard to say, but I bet it's way better on the environment, in general, than all the carbon we're putting into the atmosphere presently. Combine moving _towards_ much more green energy generation as well as CoGen and energy efficiency gains, and I think we can come up with a sustainable compromise. What we're doing now sure isn't working.
Are you perhaps thinking that wind turbines on farms renders that farm unusable as a farm or something? Just how big do you think the base of a wind turbine IS, anyway?
Just briefly graphite covered fuel kernels, helium gas cooled, no containment building. These factors in conjunction make for a serious accident considering the reactor is running well above the combustion temperature of the graphite. The issue is when the plant ages and air starts to leak into the system, causing cracks to the silicon carbide coating of the kernels and the graphite catches fire. It's the most obvious and probable failure mode.
Are these issues with the South African designs or Chinese designs? Or both?
Wow, that really came out sounding like a line from Monty Python. Eh. Not so bad, I guess.
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So yes, flash can lock up a thread, and since a large amount of firefox users intentionally block flash, its not actually that pressing of a need.
This is based on a particular set of assumption - that all Flash is bad, that all Flash is undesired, and that only unwanted Flash is causing problems. And I'm also not sure what percentage of Flashblock FF users have installed, or how it's configured.
In the days of YouTube, Hulu, etc., Flash content is very much desired, and depending on a plugin to fix a fundamental design weakness in the browser is not the best idea I've heard of.
Just because it's not a pressing need for YOU, doesn't mean it's not a pressing need.
I guess at least you can always talk out your ass now that everyone else is doing it and pretend you knew this all along. Obviously it was your idea.
I've actually been talking about this for _years_, here and elsewhere, along with many others, under this undername. If you wish to waste your time, check up on it. But you should do that before you accuse me of jumping on some bandwagon with no proof.
I don't know. When I'm looking at a list of bugs and features requests longer then a book, I tend to be pretty picky about which features I implement as well.
I hope that you concentrate on making a good foundation before building the house, though, which was the problem here. Now that they've built the house on a concrete slab, it's a little hard to put in a full basement.
Oh yeah those lazy bastards at Firefox can't make Flash crash nicely.
I really think your anger would be more just if targeted at Adobe.
Oh, I _really_ hate Adobe, make no mistake. But when you make something like a browser, you have to have the brains to know that plugins are a way of life, and you need to make your browser platform not subject to the whims of the incompetent plugin makers. IMO, anyway.
This is purely anecdotal... but as far as I can tell for my daily usage Chrome is no faster than Firefox 3.5 with adblock. (Adblock ftw)
Anecdotal is the best evidence in this case. I've run Chrome with over 90 tabs, and it kept on chugging. And what does speed have to do with a browser being multi-process? The benefits are security and reliability, with the downside being memory usage.
And adding to their reputation as memory hogs...
The memory hogging is a thing of the past as of FF v3.5. It now uses the least memory. It's pretty nice, though Flash seems to have even more problems on this version of FF than before. *sigh*
Forking a process on unix-like systems if fairly lightweight but for Windows this will not scale well at all.
Yeah, cuz multi-process Chrome on Windows is such a piece of shit?
I'd be worried how plugins work across multiple processes. Do we run an addon seperately for each process? Do they all load under the firefox process? Can we crash an addon in one process and not have it bring down other processes?
Chrome and IE have the benefit of not dealing with those questions.
Sure, cuz there aren't any real add-ons for Chrome yet that don't involve manually installing them via a rather tedious process.
When Flash crashes in Chrome, it crashes in every tab IN Chrome (though it doesn't take out Chrome itself).
I'd like FF to do this better than Chrome - give me the option to run Flash player in each tab separate from Flash player in every other tab. That'd be nice.
It was probably too large a project to consider doing without a pressing need.
Cuz yeah, Flash locking up the entire browser wasn't a pressing need until IE8 and Chrome. Riiiight.
LOTS of us have been asking about this for a VERY long time (years). Leaving it this late is called 'lack of vision'. This should've been in the very first version. Now there IS a ton of code to make this work with. I imagine that's why they call this Electrolysis...it's a hairy problem now that it's been ignored for so long.
> I love a bad economy, it forces people to be less stupid.
But apparently a large portion of your business was relying on the fact people are stupid. Now what?
Ignorance can fluctuate, but stupidity seems to be a constant. No worries for him, I bet.
The ideal customer is one who is rich, trusting, and ignorant. The first of those three rarely goes along with the other two, unfortunately.
The beatings continued even after morale improved.
Of course - why mess with success?
Beatings will continue until morale improves!
- The Management
ps Have a nice day!
(Seriously, have a nice day, you little piss-ants, OR ELSE.)
Hey, wait a minute! I thought reading TFA was what was a crime!
No, reading was a crime under the previous administration. Now it's fundamental.
As mentioned in the tags, this is a horrible summary. I don't get the feeling I know what Lori was charged with. Is it piracy? Is it shoplifting? Speeding? Drug charges?
She was charged with not RTFA, which is now a felony. Somebody get a rope!
Seriously, what was it about the smell of mimeographs that made taking quizzes just a little less painful?
Oh yeah. Mimeograph test and a number 2 pencil, and you're good to go. All day runtime was no problem. :)
Kids today don't know what they missed, or how good they have it. Little bastards.
I prefer to read the html code and interpret them myself...
You young punks make me sick. Back in my day, we used Gopher and were grateful for the upgrade over the teletype!
I still prefer content distributed via mimeograph, though. Get enough enough of that sweet blue text!
Hope.
Nuclear is heavily welfare run
Hilarious. _Every_ big industry in the U.S. is 'welfare run'. What else do you think tax breaks and lobbyists are for? Do you think the coal or oil industries pay anything remotely resembling fair market value for the land & resources they take? Gimme a break.
I'm using a Dragon 32, you insenstive clod
I've been collecting vintage computer hardware for the last few months, and I gotta say, my Tandy CoCo3 (128K version) has by _far_ the best keyboard of any of the 8 or 16-bit machines I've used. I never used one back in the day, so the mint condition one I just got last month _really_ surprised me with the keyboard feel. I also got a Tandy 102 that was still in its unopened box. :)
Back to the subject of keyboards, though, to say noone has been messing with the layout of keys is to be completely unaware of computers of the last several years. Certainly there's a small player in the industry called 'Microsoft' that has been making some fairly commonly found keyboards that have the keys normally found above the arrow keys to be arranged in strange and remarkably unpleasant ways. I'm pleased to say the latest entry in their 'Natural' line has returned those keys to the proper position - the MS Natural 4000 keyboard not only unbreaks the keyboard layout changes they made in previous keyboards, but also returns the tilt to the correct location - the front, not the back (which actually makes things WORSE ergonomically). Plus it's available in beautiful, beautiful black. :)
Zombies are not harmless! You obviously don't watch enough movies.
Look, _clearly_ there are dangers inherent to zombies, but if YOU had watched enough movies, like, say, Shaun of the Dead, you'd realize they can be made into productive members of society (well, videogame consumers, anyway) if handled appropriately.
As the tshirt says, "Reduce - Reuse - Reanimate. Reduce our dependency on the funerary industrial complex." Get with the program!
Whatever happened to JPEG2000? (Patent problems?)
SVG should've been here long ago. IE will continue to slow SVG adoption in the real world.
If we could get JPEG2000 (or something like it) and SVG in 95+% of browsers, I think we'd be golden. That and getting rid of IE6 with its broken box model (among many other problems), would go a long way towards modernizing the Web. Take HTML5 and add the top 10 features or so of CSS3, and it's party-time for web devs once again. MS needs to shit or get off the pot with IE.
Hey NASA - open a project on SourceForge and it'll be done in two weeks. The bad news is everyone will build their own.
Uhh, no. Everyone will _design_ their own. Almost noone will _build_ one.
Why can't farmers, without whose labor and product we would all starve, be able to make a living without leasing their land to wind turbine use?
1) Competition from imported food from countries where the costs are lower and/or subsidized even more than they are here.
2) Bizarre unlevel playing field favoring corporate farms
3) Insistence on super-low food prices by American consumers
4) Unethical actions of agribusiness who make genetically modified seeds that often cannot reproduce, and pesticides that work specifically with their genetically modified plants. Then the lawsuits when seeds that can reproduce get spread by natural means (birds, winds, etc.) to nearby farms who haven't paid for said genetically modified seeds, etc.
5) Transportation costs
6) Water rights (see also #2)
I'm sure an actual farmer would be able to address this better than I can; this is just the stuff I've read about.
Also, why is a farmer leasing a small bit of their land to wind turbines a BAD thing? Think of it as using all parts of the 'animal'.
Besides, when civilization ends in 2012, those kind of farms are going to be _really_ great places to live. Farm for food, with wind turbines right there for electricity. Add electrified fence, and you're in a great position to fend off the zombie hordes/starving, etc. "Be Prepared!"
My real question is, what is the environmental impact going to be from removing all this energy from the weather?
Hard to say, but I bet it's way better on the environment, in general, than all the carbon we're putting into the atmosphere presently. Combine moving _towards_ much more green energy generation as well as CoGen and energy efficiency gains, and I think we can come up with a sustainable compromise. What we're doing now sure isn't working.
Are you perhaps thinking that wind turbines on farms renders that farm unusable as a farm or something? Just how big do you think the base of a wind turbine IS, anyway?
Just briefly graphite covered fuel kernels, helium gas cooled, no containment building. These factors in conjunction make for a serious accident considering the reactor is running well above the combustion temperature of the graphite. The issue is when the plant ages and air starts to leak into the system, causing cracks to the silicon carbide coating of the kernels and the graphite catches fire. It's the most obvious and probable failure mode.
Are these issues with the South African designs or Chinese designs? Or both?
Wow, that really came out sounding like a line from Monty Python. Eh. Not so bad, I guess.