Thanks, but I do know what RFC stands for... of course they get updated and changed, but that's why there are version numbers on them, too. That's why there are always newer versions of the various RFCs. My point was that they are the closest thing to a community formal standard that there is for many protocols, etc.. I agree with your point that different interpretations can cause interoperability problems - yes, that's why they get revised. The trust mentioned in the article had more to do with the functionallity of the program than it did with security. What the professor seemed to want is to see documented multi-level code reviews for function verification.
Please don't assume knowledge of another person when you have nothing to base your assumptions on - doesn't put you in a good light, especially when you are dead wrong. Try reading and understanding the posts and the article first.
If anything that my life depended on was as unreliable as certain prolific consumer operating systems and programs, I'd never leave my house/room/bed...
The trust in this example was trust that it works the way it was supposed to, not trust as in security... there is a difference.
Yeah, they were sort of extremely ugly for about 20 years... the real old ones were nice, but the 80's and 90's Stangs were butt...
The new ones are decent, but [insert obligatory Ford bashing here]. I just haven't found a Ford product made in the last 15 years that is up to any sort of quality standards. Things ain't what they used to be...
You can't just throw away the skin of the cow - after you eat all the meat (yum, seared flesh) you might as well make a few jackets, seats and baseball gloves from the hide. Should really use the rest of it too, but oh well... that's what hot dogs are for.
Actually, I just started using the mach 3. Very happy with it so far, but it has trouble getting the highest mustache hairs (by the bottom of the nose. The space between the front edge and the actual blade is almost double that of my previous blade (Sensor XL).
You could always just slather your face in Nair, too... not quite as bad for the rest of your health as chemo...
Hmmm, well - you can easily test if the networking components of open source software live up to the RFCs that they are designed to meet. Sounds like a bunch of specs to me. A description showing overall protocols and spefic situations, with specified function and response to stimulus sounds like a pretty good control document to me.
The HTTP RFCs are a good example. This is what you MUST do: This is what you SHOULD do: This is what you CAN do (if you feel like it): This is what you MUST NOT do:
Pretty cut and dry, and rather effective (the web works, don't it?).
I'd say that most JAVA implementations (from most companies) would fail full compliance to the Java spec (well, at least some of the Java specs... there's so many these days).
As a trombone player (as well as several others), I can tell you that C# != Db in all cases, but it does in some...
Compare the following chords: A (A-C#-E) Db (Db-F-Ab)
C# != Db. The frequencies will be a little different, in order for the chord to sound in tune. This is why the third of the chord always sounds just a little off on a piano that is properly tuned.
However C# does euqal Db for any arbitrary note, that isn't part of a scale/chord... of course, that doesn't mean anything anyway...
Nobody is *forcing* you to do anything... you don't have to visit sites that use it, you don't have to use it yourself, and if you do, you don't have to provide it with valid data...
Of course, sites that sell things don't have to provide you with any goods if you don't give them that information. If Tom's Hardware (for example) asked for this info, I'd just say no, and if they didn't let me in the hell with that. If a store asks me for info, and I'm actually going to buy something (need to give a real CC#, address anyway), what the hell.
A good implementation would allow you to select which pieces of information you would send to which (types) of sites. If they asked for more, you could selectively give pieces to them, or dey them that information if you found it too private. Again, nobody has forced you do anything...
>ingauge engage, BTW - ingague is not a word [/pedantic]
>The don't know my name, address, or anything about me. They know I am a white male in my early 20s, that could fit anyone.
They also have cameras taking your picture, possibly cameras on the parking area (could get your plate number), and anybody could follow you home, finding out where you live. Simple, easy, legal. Plus, everybody knows what kind of chips you buy;-)
Not all that private, really... especially in those cities that have street cameras, too...
Maybe that would give Jon Katz something useful to do, instead of wasting his and other peoples time worrying about 'Open Source Plumbing' and 'Open Source Pizza Delivery' or whatever nonsense he decides to foam on about...
I got an AOL Gold CD a several months back that was a shrinkwrapped CD in a 1-1/2" x 6" x 8" box... nothing else in the box but the CD... I'm sure mine wasn't the only one (wait... we've tried for years, but as soon as he sees the CD in a *box*... he'll come around and sign up...)
I'm using Money98 now (was using 20 (I think) before that)... It doesn't want to let me do that, though it claims that it will import qif files... of course, the help online isn't all that great, though it claims that it can export qifs... haven't had that much luck with the more complicated things, though (simple checkbook worked alright, but the interweaving of accounts and funds was bad... (old Money). Not sure if this was a M$ export problem or a Quicken import problem... though I figured that Quicken should be able to import its own file format...
Think of it like this... mature hardware should imply mature drivers - everybody should be up to snuff by now. So, a slightly older game with slightly older hardware on the new OS gives you a lot less variability for the tests... Even if the older games are the newest available. True, you can't see how the drivers react to the ever growing fill rates of the GeForces and Voodoo3+ series, but it should give a pretty good representation. The test isn't the card, as much as the layers in between the hardware and the GL APIs.
That is sort of it... Linux was a kernel (project), which grew, and eventually people decided they wanted more of a graphical interface, so X entered into the distros. There we are, years later.
Be started with more of a graphical focus, and has always had better capabilities there. Not as much of a standard windowing system on top of a standard Unixyish enviornment... but more of a multimedia platform all the way. Proper starting architecture goes a long way.
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Thanks, but I do know what RFC stands for... of course they get updated and changed, but that's why there are version numbers on them, too. That's why there are always newer versions of the various RFCs. My point was that they are the closest thing to a community formal standard that there is for many protocols, etc.. I agree with your point that different interpretations can cause interoperability problems - yes, that's why they get revised. The trust mentioned in the article had more to do with the functionallity of the program than it did with security. What the professor seemed to want is to see documented multi-level code reviews for function verification.
Please don't assume knowledge of another person when you have nothing to base your assumptions on - doesn't put you in a good light, especially when you are dead wrong. Try reading and understanding the posts and the article first.
If anything that my life depended on was as unreliable as certain prolific consumer operating systems and programs, I'd never leave my house/room/bed...
The trust in this example was trust that it works the way it was supposed to, not trust as in security... there is a difference.
Biros? (no, really... huh?)
Is that another type of footwear? Not in my dictionary...
Yeah, they were sort of extremely ugly for about 20 years... the real old ones were nice, but the 80's and 90's Stangs were butt...
The new ones are decent, but [insert obligatory Ford bashing here]. I just haven't found a Ford product made in the last 15 years that is up to any sort of quality standards. Things ain't what they used to be...
You can't just throw away the skin of the cow - after you eat all the meat (yum, seared flesh) you might as well make a few jackets, seats and baseball gloves from the hide. Should really use the rest of it too, but oh well... that's what hot dogs are for.
Actually, I just started using the mach 3. Very happy with it so far, but it has trouble getting the highest mustache hairs (by the bottom of the nose. The space between the front edge and the actual blade is almost double that of my previous blade (Sensor XL).
You could always just slather your face in Nair, too... not quite as bad for the rest of your health as chemo...
Ah, but mainframes are back in vogue these days, and are far less dinoish than they used to be...
Hmmm, well - you can easily test if the networking components of open source software live up to the RFCs that they are designed to meet. Sounds like a bunch of specs to me. A description showing overall protocols and spefic situations, with specified function and response to stimulus sounds like a pretty good control document to me.
The HTTP RFCs are a good example.
This is what you MUST do:
This is what you SHOULD do:
This is what you CAN do (if you feel like it):
This is what you MUST NOT do:
Pretty cut and dry, and rather effective (the web works, don't it?).
I'd say that most JAVA implementations (from most companies) would fail full compliance to the Java spec (well, at least some of the Java specs... there's so many these days).
Got rid of goto - oh man, now how am I going to get through those if statements?
10 goto 20
15 rem why did the first line do that?
20 ? "Hello World"
30 goto 10
oh, wait... head screwed on backwards, thinking in Commodore Basic again (hey, I was 6 at the time...)
Um, you need to learn some solid music theory...
As a trombone player (as well as several others), I can tell you that C# != Db in all cases, but it does in some...
Compare the following chords:
A (A-C#-E)
Db (Db-F-Ab)
C# != Db. The frequencies will be a little different, in order for the chord to sound in tune. This is why the third of the chord always sounds just a little off on a piano that is properly tuned.
However C# does euqal Db for any arbitrary note, that isn't part of a scale/chord... of course, that doesn't mean anything anyway...
Nobody is *forcing* you to do anything... you don't have to visit sites that use it, you don't have to use it yourself, and if you do, you don't have to provide it with valid data...
Of course, sites that sell things don't have to provide you with any goods if you don't give them that information. If Tom's Hardware (for example) asked for this info, I'd just say no, and if they didn't let me in the hell with that. If a store asks me for info, and I'm actually going to buy something (need to give a real CC#, address anyway), what the hell.
A good implementation would allow you to select which pieces of information you would send to which (types) of sites. If they asked for more, you could selectively give pieces to them, or dey them that information if you found it too private. Again, nobody has forced you do anything...
Nice troll 8^)
>ingauge
;-)
engage, BTW - ingague is not a word [/pedantic]
>The don't know my name, address, or anything about me. They know I am a white male in my early 20s, that could fit anyone.
They also have cameras taking your picture, possibly cameras on the parking area (could get your plate number), and anybody could follow you home, finding out where you live. Simple, easy, legal. Plus, everybody knows what kind of chips you buy
Not all that private, really... especially in those cities that have street cameras, too...
PCP.... like LSD... (both hallucinogens)
>c sharp is not the same thing as d flat. ask someone who plays a fretless string instrument.
Of course, it all depends on where it goes in the chord, too...
Yes, my original point exactly.
Maybe that would give Jon Katz something useful to do, instead of wasting his and other peoples time worrying about 'Open Source Plumbing' and 'Open Source Pizza Delivery' or whatever nonsense he decides to foam on about...
That is, of course, if he isn't just a bot...
>levels of testosterone, since I don't have any.
Well, you must have *some* level of testosterone... regardless of other factors...
Sounds like Dan Dierdorf doing football analysis...
"I think the keys to this game are moving the ball, and playing tough defense. The team that can dominate the scoreboard will come out on top."
Ah... so whoever scores the most points wins... that's deep...
Deep Translate - New, from IBM: Speaks 125 more languages than Gary Kasparov!
Good sarcasm is an art form... easy to do, impossible to master... or was that one of those games (Mastermind?)...
I got an AOL Gold CD a several months back that was a shrinkwrapped CD in a 1-1/2" x 6" x 8" box... nothing else in the box but the CD... I'm sure mine wasn't the only one (wait... we've tried for years, but as soon as he sees the CD in a *box*... he'll come around and sign up...)
Yeah...
I'm using Money98 now (was using 20 (I think) before that)... It doesn't want to let me do that, though it claims that it will import qif files... of course, the help online isn't all that great, though it claims that it can export qifs... haven't had that much luck with the more complicated things, though (simple checkbook worked alright, but the interweaving of accounts and funds was bad... (old Money). Not sure if this was a M$ export problem or a Quicken import problem... though I figured that Quicken should be able to import its own file format...
Think of it like this... mature hardware should imply mature drivers - everybody should be up to snuff by now. So, a slightly older game with slightly older hardware on the new OS gives you a lot less variability for the tests... Even if the older games are the newest available. True, you can't see how the drivers react to the ever growing fill rates of the GeForces and Voodoo3+ series, but it should give a pretty good representation. The test isn't the card, as much as the layers in between the hardware and the GL APIs.
That is sort of it... Linux was a kernel (project), which grew, and eventually people decided they wanted more of a graphical interface, so X entered into the distros. There we are, years later.
Be started with more of a graphical focus, and has always had better capabilities there. Not as much of a standard windowing system on top of a standard Unixyish enviornment... but more of a multimedia platform all the way. Proper starting architecture goes a long way.