Hahaha, one of this days we are guna say that 2+2=5..
As long as Relativity still stands.
Who cares that we have experianced and recorded gravity pull since the begining of history. Who cares that we can test it.
If we have to chouse between relativity and proven facts we chouse relativity!
Start puting your tables on the cealing because gravity pushes!!
It seams that ppl have found a reference point to make things less relative.
And they are now talking about flows.Maybe Lorentz was right in assumimg there was something like a flux in the empty space and we just wasted nearly a century, burning every scientist that implied the same.
The Relativity religion has its days counted.
Yea, i stoped at the same point...
It is definitly wrong to say it like that.
But, with some context it could be acceptable.
If you show a clear relation between distance and speed then you could refere as a distance where speed is X.
But becouse they are talking about 10^3 on onside and 10^5 on the other, i think it is a simple mistake in units.
Well, no.
Some type of transplants work realy well and will make those ppl live to their 90s just like a normal person. No meds needed.
There are some countries, like mine, where almost all transplants are made in state owned hospitals. Here you dont have to pay or have a private ensurance to get a transplant. You just need to get in line and wait.
The answer is simple. We have to grow our organs instead of waiting for ppl to have brain deaths.
Is the author trying to say that having 1 sick guy and 1 normal guy is worse then 1 held guy and 1 dead guy?
Btw there are other impacts:
Adoption will be lower, Prostetics will be less needed, psicology will be less needed, trafic police will be less needed, jornalists will be less needed, videogame makers will be less needed...
Just shutdown this self driving insanity...
"If the EM Drive works as stated, it violates those conservation laws. That's an objective, verifiable, fact."
No its not a fact or objective.
The Conservation laws can be simplifications of something much more complex the same way a real logarithm is a simplification of a complex log logarithm.
The definition of energy may be incomplete. We may find out in the future that what we considered energy in a composition of several other things and one or more but not all of those things obey the conservation laws.
"We've been bouncing microwaves around cavities for a long time, and we've never come up with something like this"
We are talking about specific frequencies that generate forces so low that can be confused with measuring errors. It is fairly normal for any one to disregard such low numbers as "errors".
"Violations of physical theories that are accepted enough to be called "Laws" usually involves some sort of exotic condition, and this isn't one."
The exotic condition is the quality of our equipment. Now we can measure allot of stuff that was predicted and given as a fact.
"In other words, I'm perfectly comfortable saying that the EM Drive is not a reactionless drive"
I agree with you on this one. "Reactionless" is the wrong word for it. I'm fairly sure that there is a reaction, it can be a wave change, a local change in spacetime fabric, or even something we are decades away from even considering. In this way, it could be "massless" and not "reactionless".
"The claims for EM drive thrust are much higher than that"
It took us forever to have more then 10% efficiency on solar panels even after we understood the theory behind it. In the case of the emDrive being real, i dont think we have a good understanding of how it works. So i would guess the efficiency is realy realy low.
"but it wouldn't hurt to see"
Exacly. Ppl reading my comment may think I'm 100% supporter and believer of the emDrive. Im not. I think there is about 20% chance that it actually works.
But I will always bet on the 20% that represent progress then the 80% that gets us standing still.
Also i wont tolerate any abuse against ppl trying to investigate those 20%. If they do it right, with good mathematics and good equipment and good experiments, they are scientists.
Science requires you to translate your dream in numbers, find ways to test those numbers, and post your results.
If you do this correctly you are a scientist, even if your dream is just stupid stuff.
Science the search for the truth behind things. Its not confined to the end of the search. All the middle steps are also science.
"worth considering" is not a fixed level, it depends from person to person, from scientist to scientist.
I have no problem with the 95% of scientists that do not find it "worth considering". My problem is with the ones that actively fight against the idea that some find it "worth considering", calling them "not real scientists".....
There are very strong similarities between this behavior and the Inquisition:
"To say that earthquakes are not acts of God is the same as saying that there is no God. I here by sentence you to lose all your titles and lands"
"To say that electromagnetic waves can alone generate a force is the same as saying that the Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Matter and Energy does not exist. I here by revoke your title of scientist and you will never again be taken seriously"
Earthquakes dont revoke God. They are just movements of the tectonic plates. They don't proof or disproof God, at most they change how God influences the world.
In the same way, the emDrive dos not revoke the "Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Matter". It just suggests that the "Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Matter" Law is probably incomplete and requires expansion.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
To become a LAW: YES!
To be subject of study without the scientists having to fear for their jobs, NO!
It all rests on what level does some evidence become proof.
The dark matter theory implies a certain amount of characteristics on the so called dark matter.
Some of those characteristics could have created what was observed by Vera Rubin.
But can that evidence become the proof by it self? What about the other characteristics? Don't we need evidence of those too?
I believe we do.
Something else could be in play here. Something we can theorize now. Or even something we wont be able to theorize for many years.
Please note that I'm not challenging the theory in any way. I'm just saying that "Confirmed" is an abusive word when talking about Dark Matter. But its still one of our best theories to explain what Vera Rubin observed.
A theory is a set of ideas that the author is not sure of. When prof arrives, it becomes a Law. A claim is when ppl anounce a theory to the world as if it was a law but with no prof. Ppl researching EMdrive do not claim it to be 100% as they say it. They are just saying "lets study it and test how far it goes".
On the other end you, without any prof, are trying to pass as a law that they are wrong. Now that is a claim.
That works both ways.
Saying a investigation is not valid is an investigation by it self. And it requires work and prof or at least debate.
But that's not the level we are talking about here.
Here we are talking about not even attributing the name "scientist" to some one who is investigating an alternative. Just because he has yet to prof his theory.
This is an insult to every one that as ever asked the question "how does this work?" or "Is this really the best explanation to the phenomenon?".
To be a scientist all you need is to be able to ask your self those questions.
When a scientist trusts a theory so much that he stops considering any desagreing theory, he stops being a scientist and becomes a believer. .
When the above happens to a large group of scientists, they become a religion.
When that large group of scientists start perusing other scientists for having diverging theories, ideas, opinions, It becomes an inquisition.
It is ok for you to explain why EmDrive should not work or the mistakes made in EmDrive experiments that would compromise the results.
It is NOT OK fo you to call them "not real scientists".
Doing it the true disgrace here.
Apparently, if i say "Ghosts can open doors" and you then find a opened door without anyone close to be responsible for it then you are confirming the existence of Ghosts.
(sorry for double post, forgot to login)
I have told every one for half a century that RGB sucks, no one paid atention.
Now you got pixels with problems! Now the bits of those 24bit color codes are in your hands!!
I think they have allot more expences then hosting(as i explained above) but even if they do have it all paid for 10 years, i dont mind them asking for more.
Wikipedia spreads knowledge in a democratic way. It is one of the most important acheavements on the internet. And one of the most important acheavements of our world.
I have no problem with them being rewarded even to the point of becoming rich.
Its a F.ing banner, they dont force you to do anything beside having a banner, that banner does not contain malware or bad pictures, it does not jump into your mouse scroll to bait your click. Its just a simple banner..
Ppl only donate what they want.
If its realy that bad to look at it,hey, stop using wikipedia.
I have never donated to wikipedia, and im not about to. And i dont go cry about when ppl donate.
Well, when i enter the url of wikipedia it works. Dispite all the hackers, trolls, law trolls, dictators contantly attacking it.
Some times my windows does not work, but wikipedia works. That has to have some value.
If we are to agree that wikipedia is usefull then we can ask our selfs why?
1 - its free
2 - works well
3 - info there has quality
4 - its huge
Do you realy think you can have a software that handles the bilions on views, edits, comments, in less then a sec, and never trows a error at you, just with good will and servers?
No!!!
You need a team of administradors, looking at logs of errors debuging the system, applying security patches, blocking hackers.
You need a team of developers fixing bugs, upgrading libs, patching security holes, adding features. You need dev hardware and test hardware and a office for that team.
Then there are all those lawsuits, you need a team to deal with all the law crap trown at them.
And when all that is paid, you start thinking about next year, when ppl dont donate that much.
It works realy well and provides a great service, why the F are you complaing about!!!!
Sure but then you need to burn nuclear fuel just to bombard carbon to make it C14. That has to happen in a billion dolar reactor. Thats has one of the most expensive things i can think about.
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Hahaha, one of this days we are guna say that 2+2=5..
As long as Relativity still stands.
Who cares that we have experianced and recorded gravity pull since the begining of history. Who cares that we can test it.
If we have to chouse between relativity and proven facts we chouse relativity!
Start puting your tables on the cealing because gravity pushes!!
If you read the article, you can find in less then 30s that its relative to background radiation.
It seams that ppl have found a reference point to make things less relative.
And they are now talking about flows.Maybe Lorentz was right in assumimg there was something like a flux in the empty space and we just wasted nearly a century, burning every scientist that implied the same.
The Relativity religion has its days counted.
Yea, i stoped at the same point...
It is definitly wrong to say it like that.
But, with some context it could be acceptable.
If you show a clear relation between distance and speed then you could refere as a distance where speed is X.
But becouse they are talking about 10^3 on onside and 10^5 on the other, i think it is a simple mistake in units.
This are the new times. Now, news promote products and facebook lies promote news.
Well, no.
Some type of transplants work realy well and will make those ppl live to their 90s just like a normal person. No meds needed.
There are some countries, like mine, where almost all transplants are made in state owned hospitals. Here you dont have to pay or have a private ensurance to get a transplant. You just need to get in line and wait.
The answer is simple. We have to grow our organs instead of waiting for ppl to have brain deaths.
Is the author trying to say that having 1 sick guy and 1 normal guy is worse then 1 held guy and 1 dead guy?
Btw there are other impacts:
Adoption will be lower, Prostetics will be less needed, psicology will be less needed, trafic police will be less needed, jornalists will be less needed, videogame makers will be less needed...
Just shutdown this self driving insanity...
"If the EM Drive works as stated, it violates those conservation laws. That's an objective, verifiable, fact."
No its not a fact or objective.
The Conservation laws can be simplifications of something much more complex the same way a real logarithm is a simplification of a complex log logarithm.
The definition of energy may be incomplete. We may find out in the future that what we considered energy in a composition of several other things and one or more but not all of those things obey the conservation laws.
"We've been bouncing microwaves around cavities for a long time, and we've never come up with something like this"
We are talking about specific frequencies that generate forces so low that can be confused with measuring errors. It is fairly normal for any one to disregard such low numbers as "errors".
"Violations of physical theories that are accepted enough to be called "Laws" usually involves some sort of exotic condition, and this isn't one."
The exotic condition is the quality of our equipment. Now we can measure allot of stuff that was predicted and given as a fact.
"In other words, I'm perfectly comfortable saying that the EM Drive is not a reactionless drive"
I agree with you on this one. "Reactionless" is the wrong word for it. I'm fairly sure that there is a reaction, it can be a wave change, a local change in spacetime fabric, or even something we are decades away from even considering. In this way, it could be "massless" and not "reactionless".
"The claims for EM drive thrust are much higher than that"
It took us forever to have more then 10% efficiency on solar panels even after we understood the theory behind it. In the case of the emDrive being real, i dont think we have a good understanding of how it works. So i would guess the efficiency is realy realy low.
"but it wouldn't hurt to see"
Exacly. Ppl reading my comment may think I'm 100% supporter and believer of the emDrive. Im not. I think there is about 20% chance that it actually works.
But I will always bet on the 20% that represent progress then the 80% that gets us standing still.
Also i wont tolerate any abuse against ppl trying to investigate those 20%. If they do it right, with good mathematics and good equipment and good experiments, they are scientists.
Science requires you to translate your dream in numbers, find ways to test those numbers, and post your results.
If you do this correctly you are a scientist, even if your dream is just stupid stuff.
Science the search for the truth behind things. Its not confined to the end of the search. All the middle steps are also science.
"worth considering" is not a fixed level, it depends from person to person, from scientist to scientist.
I have no problem with the 95% of scientists that do not find it "worth considering". My problem is with the ones that actively fight against the idea that some find it "worth considering", calling them "not real scientists".....
There are very strong similarities between this behavior and the Inquisition:
"To say that earthquakes are not acts of God is the same as saying that there is no God. I here by sentence you to lose all your titles and lands"
"To say that electromagnetic waves can alone generate a force is the same as saying that the Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Matter and Energy does not exist. I here by revoke your title of scientist and you will never again be taken seriously"
Earthquakes dont revoke God. They are just movements of the tectonic plates. They don't proof or disproof God, at most they change how God influences the world.
In the same way, the emDrive dos not revoke the "Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Matter". It just suggests that the "Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Matter" Law is probably incomplete and requires expansion.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
To become a LAW: YES!
To be subject of study without the scientists having to fear for their jobs, NO!
Can you reference any work where they define a theory as requiring "collection of related evidence"?
Or is it just your opinion?
It all rests on what level does some evidence become proof.
The dark matter theory implies a certain amount of characteristics on the so called dark matter.
Some of those characteristics could have created what was observed by Vera Rubin.
But can that evidence become the proof by it self? What about the other characteristics? Don't we need evidence of those too?
I believe we do.
Something else could be in play here. Something we can theorize now. Or even something we wont be able to theorize for many years.
Please note that I'm not challenging the theory in any way. I'm just saying that "Confirmed" is an abusive word when talking about Dark Matter. But its still one of our best theories to explain what Vera Rubin observed.
Aparently you dont know the definition of theory or claim.
https://en.oxforddictionaries....
https://en.oxforddictionaries....
A theory is a set of ideas that the author is not sure of. When prof arrives, it becomes a Law. A claim is when ppl anounce a theory to the world as if it was a law but with no prof.
Ppl researching EMdrive do not claim it to be 100% as they say it. They are just saying "lets study it and test how far it goes".
On the other end you, without any prof, are trying to pass as a law that they are wrong. Now that is a claim.
That works both ways.
Saying a investigation is not valid is an investigation by it self. And it requires work and prof or at least debate.
But that's not the level we are talking about here.
Here we are talking about not even attributing the name "scientist" to some one who is investigating an alternative. Just because he has yet to prof his theory.
This is an insult to every one that as ever asked the question "how does this work?" or "Is this really the best explanation to the phenomenon?".
To be a scientist all you need is to be able to ask your self those questions.
When a scientist trusts a theory so much that he stops considering any desagreing theory, he stops being a scientist and becomes a believer.
. When the above happens to a large group of scientists, they become a religion.
When that large group of scientists start perusing other scientists for having diverging theories, ideas, opinions, It becomes an inquisition.
It is ok for you to explain why EmDrive should not work or the mistakes made in EmDrive experiments that would compromise the results.
It is NOT OK fo you to call them "not real scientists".
Doing it the true disgrace here.
Apparently, if i say "Ghosts can open doors" and you then find a opened door without anyone close to be responsible for it then you are confirming the existence of Ghosts. (sorry for double post, forgot to login)
I have told every one for half a century that RGB sucks, no one paid atention.
Now you got pixels with problems! Now the bits of those 24bit color codes are in your hands!!
Its hard to get a job when you smell or look dirty. This is a test to test if ppl can escape their loop of being poor ->no job-> being poor.
I think they have allot more expences then hosting(as i explained above) but even if they do have it all paid for 10 years, i dont mind them asking for more.
Wikipedia spreads knowledge in a democratic way. It is one of the most important acheavements on the internet. And one of the most important acheavements of our world.
I have no problem with them being rewarded even to the point of becoming rich.
Its a F.ing banner, they dont force you to do anything beside having a banner, that banner does not contain malware or bad pictures, it does not jump into your mouse scroll to bait your click. Its just a simple banner..
Ppl only donate what they want. If its realy that bad to look at it,hey, stop using wikipedia.
I have never donated to wikipedia, and im not about to. And i dont go cry about when ppl donate.
Well, when i enter the url of wikipedia it works. Dispite all the hackers, trolls, law trolls, dictators contantly attacking it. Some times my windows does not work, but wikipedia works. That has to have some value.
If we are to agree that wikipedia is usefull then we can ask our selfs why?
1 - its free
2 - works well
3 - info there has quality
4 - its huge
Do you realy think you can have a software that handles the bilions on views, edits, comments, in less then a sec, and never trows a error at you, just with good will and servers?
No!!!
You need a team of administradors, looking at logs of errors debuging the system, applying security patches, blocking hackers.
You need a team of developers fixing bugs, upgrading libs, patching security holes, adding features.
You need dev hardware and test hardware and a office for that team.
Then there are all those lawsuits, you need a team to deal with all the law crap trown at them.
And when all that is paid, you start thinking about next year, when ppl dont donate that much.
It works realy well and provides a great service, why the F are you complaing about!!!!
How hard is it to boot a minimal install iso on grub using ramdisk... I got my vps on ovh but i installed my ubuntu.
Sure but then you need to burn nuclear fuel just to bombard carbon to make it C14. That has to happen in a billion dolar reactor. Thats has one of the most expensive things i can think about.
Carbon 14 is rare and hard to extract. It, making diamonts out of it, make ot even more expencive. We simply any car using them will cust millions.