Even though you've removed your LGBTt sig, I still remember who you've claimed to be on this site, and the type and tone of this post is stereotypical of it.
My sig is still there. You're probably just not logged in...
Funerals aren't for the dead - they're for the living. Try giving the eulogy at your parents' funeral, with your sisters and your uncles and aunts there. You'll "get it."
Just like the drunken party^Wwake afterwards is also for the living. 'Cuz it sure won't wake the dead, but it takes the edge off of people standing around like a bunch of stiffs, not knowing how to say how they feel.
Me, I just want them to donate my body to science and go directly to the wake.
Once a check has "cleared," the money is in your account and the Bank can't take the money back out even if the check bounces later.
If the check is a forgery, yes they can. For example, employee at XYZ Corp forges a company check to a friend. The check clears. It's later found to be a forgery. Bank can take the money back.
If a cop pulls you over, he legally can't just take all your cash and then not press charges.
As the study pointed out, English is, far and above all others, a global language.
It's a shame that it will likely be centuries before mankind figures out how to be more informationally efficient and come up with some sort of "basic" language.
It's a universal language - even the aliens on TV speak English. As for a "basic" language, it's been available since 1954.
Why does my signature bother you so much that you feel the need to comment negatively on it?:-)
Three quick and easy alternatives, if it's that much of a concern for you:
1. Turn of signatures in your preferences.
2. Don't log in to read (signatures don't show up for non-logged-in users).
3. Ignore it.
How about only condemning the offending group in this case - Muslims? Since we don't currently have Christian or Taoist terrorists on the loose, without going back to the Crusades.
Really? Since the crusades, we haven't had Christians killing abortion doctors or bombing abortion clinics. Waco never happened? Every Sunday some pulpit somewhere preaching about how wrong it is to be LGBT, and that the Bible teaches that these people deserve to die, but that's not preaching hate?
People who want to limit the subject to just Muslim extremists don't want the inconvenient truth - that their belief system is equally flawed, and continues to produce extremists. The KKK is a good case in point - they use the Bible to justify their hate.
A list of just some of the contemporary incidents of non-muslim violence in the USA from 1984 to 2012, mostly committed by christians and/or white supremists:
Frank Silva Roque. Four days after 9/11, murdered Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona. Roque, a racist, mistook him for a Muslim.
On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented (do you consider white supremists who kill as "non-terrorists")
On May 31, 2009, Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder , was a victim of Christian Right terrorism.
On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays.
July 29, 1994. The murder of Dr. John Britton. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.
Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. His bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye, and bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997.
Oct. 23, 1998 Charles Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later.
1994, John C. Salvi attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others.
Feb. 18, 2010,Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), killing IRS employee Vernon Hunter.
June 18, 1984, Alan Berg killed with an automatic, Berg, a liberal Denver-based talk show host, was a critic of white supremacists. Members The Order (a white supremist group) members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.
For example, seagulls love mice. You can see the mouse still alive, wiggling on the way down the throat, a second after the gull swallows it. If they had teeth, they wouldn't be able to eat it as fast (having to chew), so they wouldn't be able to successfully compete with gulls that, instead of having to chew, had a digestive system that could handle unchewed food quicker.
The Better Business Bureau? You've GOT to be kidding!
And as for review web sites, have you not learned anything from #gamergate? Or all the websites that give great reviews because they don't want the flow of goodies and payola to stop? Or you can just look in the firehose for tons of submissions that are just binspam.
Well, considering that cheques have been in use since well before the dark ages...;-) (Joking, joking, even if it's true)
Electronic payments now supercede cheques in terms of usage, for good reason.
The problems with paper cheques are manifold. Cheque kiting, bounced cheques, cheques that "are in the mail", fund holds, etc.
By contrast, electronic transfers between people are quick and easy, available immediately (no hold period, don't bounce, etc.), you can even pay the babysitter if you don't have cash on you and the sitter has the money right away.
I just don't get why doing this voluntarily is a good thing.
If it was regulatory the same work would be needed but then the companies could say to the angry users: "We didn't want to, those people you elected forced us to do it".
By being voluntary it doesn't make mainstream news, people don't vote against it, and users who do find out trust their telco less.
Maybe because they then want to sell the tech to US telecos trying to comply with CALEA? Never attribute to stupidity what can be attributed to greed.
I ignored it because it's a distraction from your principal point - that you are trying to claim that because I condemn all violent extremists of any religious or political stripe, I'm somehow not willing to condemn Islam. Once again, what I wrote:
I have no problem condemning extremists who resort to violence. That includes muslims, christians, and political extremists.
As an atheist, all religions have no basis. However, as long as the people following a religion behave civilly, where's the beef? And my blanket statement, that I condemn extremists who resort to violence, including muslims, christians, and political extremists, obviously includes condemning militant Islamism. Same as condemning militant christianity, etc. Your purposefully and continuously ignoring the obvious is trolling.
Unlike the US, banks in other parts of the world aren't in the dark ages. Sending and receiving money via your bank account can be done instantly...
All banks can do this, of course. However, when the money leaves an account, there is an interval when the interest on it can be harvested, legally, until it enters the target account. Given enough bank transfers every day, that adds up to enough profit to give a bank manager an erection (ie. more than $1), and that is why they keep pretending it has to take a whole day or whatever. It used to be the same in Europe, but the evil communists in government forced the banks to give it up.
Please read what I wrote again. The transfer between sender and recipient up here in Kanuckistan is a few seconds - not "all day", and the last time I looked at a map, Canada was not part of Europe. As others have pointed out, Mexico has the same thing, and they're also part of North America. Nor are we "evil communists."
Despite all this, I will condemn militant Islamism completely and without reservation. Why won't you?
What part of "I have no problem condemning extremists who resort to violence. That includes muslims, christians, and political extremists. " don't you understand?
Troll away, but you just look stupider with each post.
Not every bank. Unlike the US, banks in other parts of the world aren't in the dark ages. Sending and receiving money via your bank account can be done instantly, even from your smart phone (no Apple Pay or NFC software required, just email or whatever other system you choose to use from the various options the banks offer).
Gee, lets do the same with everything. No government regulation for anything. After all, you can choose what is an acceptable risk. So what if you didn't know that Uber drivers aren't properly insured? Why not unregulated food manufacturers who can sell you bacteria-laced meat? Why not unregulated cars that are unsafe at any speed? Why not unregulated medicines that are as likely to kill as to cure? And unregulated banks that can take your money and run? Hey, go all the way - allow the issuing of unregulated currencies, the use of non-credentialed teachers from the local state pen, and everything else?
The fact is that regulations are supposed to ensure that the consumer doesn't have to spend hours investigation who is and who isn't competent themselves, as well as provide a feedback mechanism when the regulations are broken. Just because it doesn't work all the time doesn't mean we should get rid of them.
the majority who peacefully practice that same religion
You cannot peacefully practice Islam. It is simply not possible. Islam divides the world into Muslims (dar al Islam) and non-Muslims (dar al harb, literally house of war) and Muslims are commanded to convert non-Muslims by force. This is a fundamental tenet of Islam.
And what about all those witch-burnings and forced conversions to "save your soul" even if it killed you? And the Crusades? Christianity has a long history of violence against non-christians.
Those millions of peacful Muslims we all hear about are simply choosing to ignore or rationalize away the parts of Islam they choose not to practice.
And how is that any different from the majority of christians who use birth control? And those christians who don't condemn those of other faiths. And those who are members of the LGBT or openly welcome them?
I'm not sure if BarbaraHudson is herself "t" in LGBTt, but perhaps she should study Islamic response to homosexuality and transgenderism before defending Islam.
In 1983 Ayatolla Khomeini issued a fatwa declaring that transsexuals should be allowed to get surgery, live as their target gender, have their legal documents updated, and be allowed to marry as their new sex. Iran is now, depending on statistics, either #1 or #2 for sex change surgery in the world.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for other members of the LGBT.
BTW, I do not "defend Islam," or any religion. I'm an atheist. What I *will* defend is that most muslims are not extremists, any more than, say, most christians are not extremists, and people should get to know a few of them before casting rocks. Most muslims see the extremists as perverting Islam.
I have no problem condemning extremists who resort to violence. That includes muslims, christians, and political extremists.
What does that have to do with the vast majority of muslims, who are not extremists?
You probably don't have any muslim friends. As an atheist, I treat all religions identically, which makes it easier to have friends of different religions, including christians, jews, and muslims. But I treat the individuals as individuals, not as stereotypes.
All indications are that Martin Couture Rouleau, who rammed his vehicle into two Canadian soldiers on Monday, killing one, and Michael Zehaf Bibeau, who is alleged to have shot dead a soldier guarding the National War Memorial on Wednesday, each acted on their own. They were also reportedly recent converts to an extremist fringe of Islam, and suffered from chronic psychological problems.
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Gijseghem suggested that such behaviour might even be schizophrenic in nature, but Lafleur disputed that idea.
"People suffering from schizophrenia are very disorganized and they act in totally unexpected ways, and in extremist groups they are rarely tolerated," Lafleur said.
Rather, he contended, such individuals probably suffer from either borderline personality disorder or bipolar disorder (both of which can be characterized by impulsive, even psychotic behaviour), have grown isolated from their friends and families, and are suffering from an identity crisis.
When you write:
Today, Islam clearly holds a siren's song appeal to some disaffected members of society.
... you can switch Islam with anti-abortionists bombing clinics, the Branch Davidians at Waco, Timothy McVeigh against "the gubbermint" over Waco, Hindu Inderjit Singh Reyat bombing Air India flight 182, Protestants vs Catholics in Northern Ireland, and pretty much some members of any disaffected group will be attracted to violence. The recent violence in the US over police shooting blacks does not have its' roots in religion.
They can both learn from the teacher, then help each other over the rough spots. After all, helping someone is the best way to learn the material yourself, because you may have to recast it into several different explanations before the other party gets it.
Because if he's "just there to learn the material", he doesn't need the "wallpaper", not for HR, not for anything.
As I pointed out elsewhere, the material you learn, especially technology-related, will be outdated almost immediately, so the real reason to go to college is to "learn how to learn," because that's what you'll have to continue to do to stay current. Make sense?
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Sorry about that. More proof that we need a tag and a tag more than we need BETA.
Even though you've removed your LGBTt sig, I still remember who you've claimed to be on this site, and the type and tone of this post is stereotypical of it.
My sig is still there. You're probably just not logged in ...
Funerals aren't for the dead - they're for the living. Try giving the eulogy at your parents' funeral, with your sisters and your uncles and aunts there. You'll "get it."
Just like the drunken party^Wwake afterwards is also for the living. 'Cuz it sure won't wake the dead, but it takes the edge off of people standing around like a bunch of stiffs, not knowing how to say how they feel.
Me, I just want them to donate my body to science and go directly to the wake.
Once a check has "cleared," the money is in your account and the Bank can't take the money back out even if the check bounces later.
If the check is a forgery, yes they can. For example, employee at XYZ Corp forges a company check to a friend. The check clears. It's later found to be a forgery. Bank can take the money back.
If a cop pulls you over, he legally can't just take all your cash and then not press charges.
Happens all the time under Civil forfeiture.
An undercover cop must answer honestly if you ask him if he is a cop, and he can't initiate an illegal transaction because that would be entrapment.
Oh, you are SO naive. Cops can lie to you about anything. And only the most outrageous police misconduct works as a defense against entrapment.
A judge can't reject a jury's verdict once it is rendered.
Sure they can.
The president can't order the assassination of American citizens without due process.
The "hit list" includes some Americans who were killed w/o due process. Scroll down to read the DoJ memo if you want to.
A woman can't get a man convicted of rape if she has no evidence or witnesses to back it up
Absolutely not true. People are convicted based solely on the victim's testimony that the sex was not consensual.
Zero for 6.
As the study pointed out, English is, far and above all others, a global language.
It's a shame that it will likely be centuries before mankind figures out how to be more informationally efficient and come up with some sort of "basic" language.
It's a universal language - even the aliens on TV speak English. As for a "basic" language, it's been available since 1954.
Why does my signature bother you so much that you feel the need to comment negatively on it? :-)
Three quick and easy alternatives, if it's that much of a concern for you:
1. Turn of signatures in your preferences.
2. Don't log in to read (signatures don't show up for non-logged-in users).
3. Ignore it.
How about only condemning the offending group in this case - Muslims? Since we don't currently have Christian or Taoist terrorists on the loose, without going back to the Crusades.
Really? Since the crusades, we haven't had Christians killing abortion doctors or bombing abortion clinics. Waco never happened? Every Sunday some pulpit somewhere preaching about how wrong it is to be LGBT, and that the Bible teaches that these people deserve to die, but that's not preaching hate?
People who want to limit the subject to just Muslim extremists don't want the inconvenient truth - that their belief system is equally flawed, and continues to produce extremists. The KKK is a good case in point - they use the Bible to justify their hate.
A list of just some of the contemporary incidents of non-muslim violence in the USA from 1984 to 2012, mostly committed by christians and/or white supremists:
Frank Silva Roque. Four days after 9/11, murdered Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona. Roque, a racist, mistook him for a Muslim.
On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented (do you consider white supremists who kill as "non-terrorists")
On May 31, 2009, Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder , was a victim of Christian Right terrorism.
On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays.
July 29, 1994. The murder of Dr. John Britton. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.
Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. His bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye, and bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997.
Oct. 23, 1998 Charles Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later.
1994, John C. Salvi attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others.
Feb. 18, 2010,Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), killing IRS employee Vernon Hunter.
June 18, 1984, Alan Berg killed with an automatic, Berg, a liberal Denver-based talk show host, was a critic of white supremacists. Members The Order (a white supremist group) members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.
April 19, 1995. Timothy McVeigh an
For example, seagulls love mice. You can see the mouse still alive, wiggling on the way down the throat, a second after the gull swallows it. If they had teeth, they wouldn't be able to eat it as fast (having to chew), so they wouldn't be able to successfully compete with gulls that, instead of having to chew, had a digestive system that could handle unchewed food quicker.
And as for review web sites, have you not learned anything from #gamergate? Or all the websites that give great reviews because they don't want the flow of goodies and payola to stop? Or you can just look in the firehose for tons of submissions that are just binspam.
Was the "dark ages" slam really necessary?
Well, considering that cheques have been in use since well before the dark ages ... ;-) (Joking, joking, even if it's true)
Electronic payments now supercede cheques in terms of usage, for good reason.
The problems with paper cheques are manifold. Cheque kiting, bounced cheques, cheques that "are in the mail", fund holds, etc.
By contrast, electronic transfers between people are quick and easy, available immediately (no hold period, don't bounce, etc.), you can even pay the babysitter if you don't have cash on you and the sitter has the money right away.
I just don't get why doing this voluntarily is a good thing. If it was regulatory the same work would be needed but then the companies could say to the angry users: "We didn't want to, those people you elected forced us to do it".
By being voluntary it doesn't make mainstream news, people don't vote against it, and users who do find out trust their telco less.
Maybe because they then want to sell the tech to US telecos trying to comply with CALEA? Never attribute to stupidity what can be attributed to greed.
You store your phone calls and text messages in the cloud?
Sure. NSA's cloud. Epsilon's cloud. CSEC's cloud if you're in Canada.
I have no problem condemning extremists who resort to violence. That includes muslims, christians, and political extremists.
is inclusive, not exclusive. Go troll elsewhere.
As an atheist, all religions have no basis. However, as long as the people following a religion behave civilly, where's the beef? And my blanket statement, that I condemn extremists who resort to violence, including muslims, christians, and political extremists, obviously includes condemning militant Islamism. Same as condemning militant christianity, etc. Your purposefully and continuously ignoring the obvious is trolling.
Unlike the US, banks in other parts of the world aren't in the dark ages. Sending and receiving money via your bank account can be done instantly...
All banks can do this, of course. However, when the money leaves an account, there is an interval when the interest on it can be harvested, legally, until it enters the target account. Given enough bank transfers every day, that adds up to enough profit to give a bank manager an erection (ie. more than $1), and that is why they keep pretending it has to take a whole day or whatever. It used to be the same in Europe, but the evil communists in government forced the banks to give it up.
Please read what I wrote again. The transfer between sender and recipient up here in Kanuckistan is a few seconds - not "all day", and the last time I looked at a map, Canada was not part of Europe. As others have pointed out, Mexico has the same thing, and they're also part of North America. Nor are we "evil communists."
That was hard to read. I think you're missing a few s :-)
Despite all this, I will condemn militant Islamism completely and without reservation. Why won't you?
What part of "I have no problem condemning extremists who resort to violence. That includes muslims, christians, and political extremists. " don't you understand?
Troll away, but you just look stupider with each post.
Not every bank. Unlike the US, banks in other parts of the world aren't in the dark ages. Sending and receiving money via your bank account can be done instantly, even from your smart phone (no Apple Pay or NFC software required, just email or whatever other system you choose to use from the various options the banks offer).
Gee, lets do the same with everything. No government regulation for anything. After all, you can choose what is an acceptable risk. So what if you didn't know that Uber drivers aren't properly insured? Why not unregulated food manufacturers who can sell you bacteria-laced meat? Why not unregulated cars that are unsafe at any speed? Why not unregulated medicines that are as likely to kill as to cure? And unregulated banks that can take your money and run? Hey, go all the way - allow the issuing of unregulated currencies, the use of non-credentialed teachers from the local state pen, and everything else?
The fact is that regulations are supposed to ensure that the consumer doesn't have to spend hours investigation who is and who isn't competent themselves, as well as provide a feedback mechanism when the regulations are broken. Just because it doesn't work all the time doesn't mean we should get rid of them.
the majority who peacefully practice that same religion
You cannot peacefully practice Islam. It is simply not possible. Islam divides the world into Muslims (dar al Islam) and non-Muslims (dar al harb, literally house of war) and Muslims are commanded to convert non-Muslims by force. This is a fundamental tenet of Islam.
And what about all those witch-burnings and forced conversions to "save your soul" even if it killed you? And the Crusades? Christianity has a long history of violence against non-christians.
Those millions of peacful Muslims we all hear about are simply choosing to ignore or rationalize away the parts of Islam they choose not to practice.
And how is that any different from the majority of christians who use birth control? And those christians who don't condemn those of other faiths. And those who are members of the LGBT or openly welcome them?
I'm not sure if BarbaraHudson is herself "t" in LGBTt, but perhaps she should study Islamic response to homosexuality and transgenderism before defending Islam.
In 1983 Ayatolla Khomeini issued a fatwa declaring that transsexuals should be allowed to get surgery, live as their target gender, have their legal documents updated, and be allowed to marry as their new sex. Iran is now, depending on statistics, either #1 or #2 for sex change surgery in the world.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for other members of the LGBT.
BTW, I do not "defend Islam," or any religion. I'm an atheist. What I *will* defend is that most muslims are not extremists, any more than, say, most christians are not extremists, and people should get to know a few of them before casting rocks. Most muslims see the extremists as perverting Islam.
I have no problem condemning extremists who resort to violence. That includes muslims, christians, and political extremists.
What does that have to do with the vast majority of muslims, who are not extremists?
You probably don't have any muslim friends. As an atheist, I treat all religions identically, which makes it easier to have friends of different religions, including christians, jews, and muslims. But I treat the individuals as individuals, not as stereotypes.
All indications are that Martin Couture Rouleau, who rammed his vehicle into two Canadian soldiers on Monday, killing one, and Michael Zehaf Bibeau, who is alleged to have shot dead a soldier guarding the National War Memorial on Wednesday, each acted on their own. They were also reportedly recent converts to an extremist fringe of Islam, and suffered from chronic psychological problems.
---
Gijseghem suggested that such behaviour might even be schizophrenic in nature, but Lafleur disputed that idea.
"People suffering from schizophrenia are very disorganized and they act in totally unexpected ways, and in extremist groups they are rarely tolerated," Lafleur said.
Rather, he contended, such individuals probably suffer from either borderline personality disorder or bipolar disorder (both of which can be characterized by impulsive, even psychotic behaviour), have grown isolated from their friends and families, and are suffering from an identity crisis.
When you write:
Today, Islam clearly holds a siren's song appeal to some disaffected members of society.
... you can switch Islam with anti-abortionists bombing clinics, the Branch Davidians at Waco, Timothy McVeigh against "the gubbermint" over Waco, Hindu Inderjit Singh Reyat bombing Air India flight 182, Protestants vs Catholics in Northern Ireland, and pretty much some members of any disaffected group will be attracted to violence. The recent violence in the US over police shooting blacks does not have its' roots in religion.
Where do I say "to do the teacher's job?"
They can both learn from the teacher, then help each other over the rough spots. After all, helping someone is the best way to learn the material yourself, because you may have to recast it into several different explanations before the other party gets it.
Because if he's "just there to learn the material", he doesn't need the "wallpaper", not for HR, not for anything.
As I pointed out elsewhere, the material you learn, especially technology-related, will be outdated almost immediately, so the real reason to go to college is to "learn how to learn," because that's what you'll have to continue to do to stay current. Make sense?