No I don't, Firefox wasn't (for the most part) made by hobbyists, the Internet wasn't developed by people all over the world and none of this is especially relevant to my point.
The point is that this frenzy over the failure of the American educational system because it's paced differently than that of the Russian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese or whoever else was supposed to be crushing us has been going on since the 1950's, if not longer. And yet every generation, it's the US system that produces or attracts the people who change the world. So maybe there's more to developing talent than how quickly you can shove math into a little kid's head?
Of course Americans are clever, just look at their universities. Packed to the gills with foreigners.
I'd like to see the evidence that people educated in the US system are, per capita, more "creative" and "innovative" than those produced in every other educational system in the world.
You're posting this on an American website on an American Internet in (most likely) an American web browser?
I don't think the difference between "gifted" and "average" students is learning logarithms at 10 instead of 14. Its more like the difference between learning logarithms at 10 and having a vague idea as an adult that they are somehow connected to the Taco Bell chihuahua.
"Taco Bell chihuahua"?!?!?
Anyway, the question isn't whether some students would benefit from brain transplants from other students. The question is whether acceleration and isolation benefit gifted students in the long run. If they take 10th grade math in 9th grade instead of 7th grade, I'm not sure where this chihuahua comes in.
Even assuming the answer is no, wouldn't that demonstrate that, indeed, the US educational system is, contrary to your argument, failing the gifted?
No, because the norm in the US educational system is not (this being the entire freaking point of the original link) to accelerate students that way. In my anecdotal experience, and I'd welcome more thorough information, that sort of radical acceleration does nothing to foster long-term productivity.
For all the hysteria about the failure of the US educational system, going back at least to Sputnik and probably long before, it continues to generate the most creative, innovative people in the world. Just because it's obvious to the author that the only thing to do with very smart kids is to move them ahead multiple grades, or separate them from their families and isolate them with other very smart kids, doesn't mean that's really the best way to maximize their potential, let alone their happiness.
Achievement levels off once you start generating knowledge yourself. Learning logarithms when you're 10 instead of 14 isn't going to make you significantly more likely to "cure leukemia or stop global warming".
Look at those "geniuses" who get packed off to college in their early teens. Have any of them ever accomplished anything noteworthy?
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This was not a reporter from the cable Fox News Channel, but a news anchor from a local Fox TV station.
Where are all you guys getting "news anchor" from? (I'm not even going to ask where the submitter and editor hallucinated "reporter" from.) The article describes him as the "new media manager" -- i.e. the head of their website and related activities.
The elaborate fantasies in the link still seem unlikely, but this is a relatively tech-savvy guy, not the sportscaster.
So far his self-proclaiming useless program has garnered sixteen 5-star awards from download sites he submitted it to.
I dunno -- Lotus Notes has won all sorts of valid-sounding awards and I bet most users would be happy with an upgrade to Brice's app. At least his thing probably doesn't actively destroy your email.
You did read a different article. He's referring to the second link.
Anyway, I don't really see what the OP's objection is. Literally he's right, but presumably they're not advocating putting in all these sensors so that we can find out about fantastic new developments that much sooner.
Meanwhile, the warming skeptics sure seem to have lots of money to spend on AdWords! I wonder if the proprietors of CoyoteBlog and the Heartland Institute are spending their own money or someone else's...?
He also makes a cogent political and religious argument in the same section of his letter.
I'm not unsympathetic to his point, but his qualities as a theologian or (regarding the GP's point) as a celebrity are a bit off message from "objective, dispassionate scientist just reporting his findings".
This had seemed like pretty much a non-issue all along. If anything it's Hansen's "second, more impassioned email" that diminishes his credibility as a sober, objective scientist just reporting his data. At least in my field, scientists don't issue corrections like:
Make no doubt, however, if tipping points are passed, if we, in effect, destroy Creation, passing on to our children, grandchildren, and the unborn a situation out of their control, the contrarians who work to deny and confuse will not be the principal culprits. The contrarians will be remembered as court jesters. There is no point to joust with court jesters. They will always be present. They will continue to entertain even if the Titanic begins to take on water.
Excel? Well maybe people who use it, excel at what they do:P
"Excel" is a pun on "cell", as in a spreadsheet cell.
I'd used to think it was a clever name, but given that it invariably comes up in these "Why does every open-source project have such a stupid name?" "Oh yeah, what does 'Excel' have to do with spreadsheets?" arguments, the pun seems to be lost on pretty much everyone.
That said, one doesn't have insist that software be named something like "Content Management System" to agree that "Joomla!" is a horrible name. All these CMS's have awful gibberish names that are impossible to keep straight: was this book about Drupal, Zomplog or Pheap?
Sure in the real world, disclosing vulnerabilities has an impact! Of course it does, but to say it decreases the security of the users of the software is simply nonsense. It may well do in the very short term, but in the longer term it is absolutely vital that full disclosure occurs if security is to improve.
Yes, that'd be the entire point! When you're talking about the field of cryptography research that calculation is obvious. But users of software can't be expected to put up with increased vulnerability in "the very short term" (i.e. months or years) even if it results in improved security over decades. (Which it doesn't, anyway. Cryptography builds from one generation to the next. User-facing software keeps implementing the same vulnerabilities over and over. Letting Mosaic users get ravaged "in the very short term" wouldn't have kept IE and Mozilla developers from making the same mistakes.)
Taken to its logical conclusion, you must therefore assume the worst; that the black-hats know of far more bugs than you do. In fact, strictly speaking you assume they know every bug that exists in your software.
But that's a ridiculous assumption! It makes sense in the context of cryptography research, but you're turning it into a assertion that publicizing software vulnerabilities doesn't have any negative consequences, which is absurd. There *are* two genuine conflicting sides here and you can't just wave one of them away.
While the article mentions that YouTube has not revealed what they hope to gain in these depositions...
Probably they're hoping that Colbert will raise his eyebrows and bug his eyes out during his deposition. Then they can put the footage on YouTube and rake in viewership from all the Colbert fans: "Look, while he said that he raised his eyebrows and bugged his eyes out! It's funny because he raised his eyebrows and bugged his eyes out!"
Radioactives decay over time. Yes, obviously, but it's important here because it is not the condition of comets TODAY that matters for this idea. It's the composition billions of years ago.
OK, but is there any evidence that comets today contain large chunks of decay products from heat-emitting isotopes?
If they want to make it closed source, they certainly shouldn't use Linux or GPL software in their products.
That's fair, but the claimed definition of "using" software keeps expanding and the goal of GPL v3 is to create even more uncertainty around it. VMware doesn't (as far as I understand it, anyway) use Linux "in their product" by the usual sense of "in". It's absolutely not the base operating system.
Not that the absence of any information in the linked blog about the winning project has kept people from idiotic disparagement of it, but for those who like to know a little about what they're idiotically disparaging:
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No I don't, Firefox wasn't (for the most part) made by hobbyists, the Internet wasn't developed by people all over the world and none of this is especially relevant to my point.
The point is that this frenzy over the failure of the American educational system because it's paced differently than that of the Russian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese or whoever else was supposed to be crushing us has been going on since the 1950's, if not longer. And yet every generation, it's the US system that produces or attracts the people who change the world. So maybe there's more to developing talent than how quickly you can shove math into a little kid's head?
Of course Americans are clever, just look at their universities. Packed to the gills with foreigners.
Think that one over a little bit more...
You're posting this on an American website on an American Internet in (most likely) an American web browser?
I don't think the difference between "gifted" and "average" students is learning logarithms at 10 instead of 14. Its more like the difference between learning logarithms at 10 and having a vague idea as an adult that they are somehow connected to the Taco Bell chihuahua.
"Taco Bell chihuahua"?!?!?
Anyway, the question isn't whether some students would benefit from brain transplants from other students. The question is whether acceleration and isolation benefit gifted students in the long run. If they take 10th grade math in 9th grade instead of 7th grade, I'm not sure where this chihuahua comes in.
Even assuming the answer is no, wouldn't that demonstrate that, indeed, the US educational system is, contrary to your argument, failing the gifted?
No, because the norm in the US educational system is not (this being the entire freaking point of the original link) to accelerate students that way. In my anecdotal experience, and I'd welcome more thorough information, that sort of radical acceleration does nothing to foster long-term productivity.
Achievement levels off once you start generating knowledge yourself. Learning logarithms when you're 10 instead of 14 isn't going to make you significantly more likely to "cure leukemia or stop global warming".
Look at those "geniuses" who get packed off to college in their early teens. Have any of them ever accomplished anything noteworthy?
Where are all you guys getting "news anchor" from? (I'm not even going to ask where the submitter and editor hallucinated "reporter" from.) The article describes him as the "new media manager" -- i.e. the head of their website and related activities.
The elaborate fantasies in the link still seem unlikely, but this is a relatively tech-savvy guy, not the sportscaster.
I dunno -- Lotus Notes has won all sorts of valid-sounding awards and I bet most users would be happy with an upgrade to Brice's app. At least his thing probably doesn't actively destroy your email.
Anyway, I don't really see what the OP's objection is. Literally he's right, but presumably they're not advocating putting in all these sensors so that we can find out about fantastic new developments that much sooner.
Meanwhile, the warming skeptics sure seem to have lots of money to spend on AdWords! I wonder if the proprietors of CoyoteBlog and the Heartland Institute are spending their own money or someone else's...?
I'm not unsympathetic to his point, but his qualities as a theologian or (regarding the GP's point) as a celebrity are a bit off message from "objective, dispassionate scientist just reporting his findings".
Meanwhile, Lotus Notes 8 is being released tomorrow! If one of the two had to survive, I'd much rather it were AppleWorks.
As long as you don't mention you're a Californian!
"Excel" is a pun on "cell", as in a spreadsheet cell.
I'd used to think it was a clever name, but given that it invariably comes up in these "Why does every open-source project have such a stupid name?" "Oh yeah, what does 'Excel' have to do with spreadsheets?" arguments, the pun seems to be lost on pretty much everyone.
That said, one doesn't have insist that software be named something like "Content Management System" to agree that "Joomla!" is a horrible name. All these CMS's have awful gibberish names that are impossible to keep straight: was this book about Drupal, Zomplog or Pheap?
I can't remember if I turned the stove off when I left for work this morning -- I'd better call my neighbor and ask him to set my house on fire!
I'm talking about laboratory agents, not Tab or pastrami.
There are already plenty of very effective ways to cause cancer that are a lot easier, cheaper and more easily deliverable.
Yes, that'd be the entire point! When you're talking about the field of cryptography research that calculation is obvious. But users of software can't be expected to put up with increased vulnerability in "the very short term" (i.e. months or years) even if it results in improved security over decades. (Which it doesn't, anyway. Cryptography builds from one generation to the next. User-facing software keeps implementing the same vulnerabilities over and over. Letting Mosaic users get ravaged "in the very short term" wouldn't have kept IE and Mozilla developers from making the same mistakes.)
But that's a ridiculous assumption! It makes sense in the context of cryptography research, but you're turning it into a assertion that publicizing software vulnerabilities doesn't have any negative consequences, which is absurd. There *are* two genuine conflicting sides here and you can't just wave one of them away.
Somebody may be saying that but it's absolutely not the accusation being made in the link here.
Probably they're hoping that Colbert will raise his eyebrows and bug his eyes out during his deposition. Then they can put the footage on YouTube and rake in viewership from all the Colbert fans: "Look, while he said that he raised his eyebrows and bugged his eyes out! It's funny because he raised his eyebrows and bugged his eyes out!"
OK, but is there any evidence that comets today contain large chunks of decay products from heat-emitting isotopes?
Is there any evidence that comets have such isotopes at such concentrations? This sounds like the sort of thing Lex Luthor would be involved in.
That's fair, but the claimed definition of "using" software keeps expanding and the goal of GPL v3 is to create even more uncertainty around it. VMware doesn't (as far as I understand it, anyway) use Linux "in their product" by the usual sense of "in". It's absolutely not the base operating system.
I hope Foley at least put his cup of coffee down before filming that scene!
It's been in Mac OS since long before XP, maybe even before Windows 95. One of the later System 7 versions had it, IIRC.
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Yes, that's precisely the sort of counterproductive hate I was talking about! It's not just about criticizing or praising changes in direction.