So says the Slashdotter posting through KDE running a taskbar, start menu, minimize/maximize buttons, menus in the same place on the window, similar print dialogs, integrated browser/explorer, and more...
I just tried it. Office XP opens 97 documents just fine.
Why are there so many Slashdotters still obsessed with Office 97? Are there really that many people stuck on that piece of software from seven years ago? We've had three versions of Office since then. Get over it already.
What do you mean, "finally?" They always have told people to develop apps so you don't have to run as admin, even down to determining where to store registry entries. With.NET forming the basis for Longhorn, they're merely pushing that fact even more--I doubt Longhorn will create accounts in the admin group by default, unlike XP (which does it merely to retain compatibility with the decade of Windows software that precedes it).
This is yet another "M$" bash article that illustrates an OSS mindset of "damned if they do, damned if they don't." I always hear about how bad Windows is because it contains so much legacy compatibility, then when they remove some compatibility to update things, suddenly that's bad too. Look at the headline and article summary. Hell, I knew morons would start bringing up the Office 97 file format transition (big deal, they changed file formats once single time, and Slashdotters have still never let go...I'd like to point out how many endless changes have been made in the OSS world on the turn of a dime).
What are the Slashdot editors going to have to post once.NET is out, trojans and spyware are a thing of the past, and the resulting sandboxed system is stable as a rock? Just KDE 3.6 announcements, where they add more sidebar buttons to Konquerer!
The article is completely false, pal. You just lectured Microsoft for absolutely nothing. Who needs to "save face" now?
This is exactly why so many people are unhappy with Slashdot now. It's gotten to the point where complete falsehoods are posted willy-nilly to the front page where it gets hundreds of thousands of hits, and everyone prepares their Microsoft-bash speeches.
I know this is Slashdot, where random blog posts are submitted and become fact simply because they bash Microsoft in some way (even though it's turned out that it's completely false), but do you care to cite who this mysterious, unnamed "third-party" is?
I get e-mail about Linux all the time, and it's never, ever sent to the Junk Mail folder. It's cool to pull random facts out of our asses, but perhaps we should take the time to step back and see how foolish it makes this community look? This article is completely false, and it's hilarious to see all the people giving their prepared lectures "Well, what would you expect from Microsoft? Blah blah blah."
I'm convinced--the editors absolutely do not read Slashdot. The last straw was last week when Michael duped a story from three hours earlier that was still on the front page.
If the music industry ever quits living in the past, they'll wake up and give the public an option that the public already taken, and make a little money.
Funny, I could have sworn online music stores like iTunes were already around. Been living under a rock?
I thought consumers were supposed to be hating the RIAA and revolting against copy-protection measures! How can this CD top the charts when it's "not really a CD?"
Oh, that's because only the geek niche on Slashdot gets up in arms about things like this, not the rest of society. Don't you remember, nobody will buy the iPod Mini?
I know people who run KDE and some ported Linux apps under OS X. OS X has the market of Apple apps available to it as well as an entire UNIX application base.
Visit Metal-Sludge for a nice site with a complete no-bullshit attitude. Though you have to be into the music demographic it's targetting, you can't help but appreciate it's complete no-frills approach. They hand out a "Super Balls Award" to people they like.
Check out this review of a Metal Edge issue for a classic example of everything people are talking about here regarding music journalists, and why Metal-Sludge is such a great juxtaposition.
Snippet:
"I sat in the "vinyl" room at a Milford, CT, specialty shop, and thumbing through the goods, I was as excited by the fabric and texture of the merchandise, as I was the potential that it represented. The exhilaration ran through my body like an invigorating rush."
Dude, you need to get fucking laid! If you're that excited about how vinyl feels, just think what a breast is going to feel like. I love a good record store as much as the next guy but come the fuck on!
"And I felt young again, with all the sensibility of an adult who knew even better. I reveled in the spirit of youth, while basking in the glow of maturity."
Seriously, who in their right mind talks like that? If a friend came up to you and said that you'd naturally assume that they were on Xtasy and tell them to go into rehab. The only reason to write like that is to impress yourself or other writers. Normal fans don't want to read that shit and normal people don't talk like that. It's pretentious. It's trying too hard to sound intelligent and deep. This is Metal Fucking Edge, not a Tom Clancy novel. People want to read shit like Maxim, Blender, Metal Sludge, etc. Real stuff, as if you were talking to a friend, not pompous shit like, "I reveled in the spirit of youth, while basking in the glow of maturity."
This is how I would write Paul's story: "I went to a record store and they had like a vinyl section in the back, you know, LPs and stuff, so I checked that shit out and it was cool. Got some good stuff." See, how hard was that? Simple and straight to the point. You got what I was saying. At no point in my 2 sentences did I ever sound like I was playing with my cock while holding albums.
Anyone else think the MP3 comparison was pointless, silly, and just an attempt to connect this to some sort of beloved buzzword to make the article submission seem cooler?
MP3 doesn't "remove" frequencies anyway. And this mesh compression is merely the same sort of thing I've already seen in terrain engines like in Black & White and Far Cry. Not to mention, this has nothing to do with compressing meshes for storage space but to speed up rendering, further making the MP3 comparison silly.
they believe in free speech instead of trying to squish it, and they, unlike their **AA counterparts, aren't trying to sue the pants off of the online world, or run to Congress whining.
Nice random MPAA/RIAA dig there (is it all Slashdotters think about anymore that they have to interject it at every opportunity?), but the fact is that there have been several articles in the past five years about how the porn industry is worried about P2P because it pirates their material. Ever done a search on eMule to see how much porn is out there ripped from the subscription sites?
The porn industry doesn't run to Congress because Congress isn't going to take a porn industry seriously! Painting them as some sort of free speech golden defenders is hilarious--they're a sleazy, money-grubbing business like any other (and they like to buy ad space through horrible spyware delivers like CoolWebSearch).
We hear constantly about how bad Outlook is supposed to be, yet it's usually from people who obviously haven't touched a Windows machine since 1999. For at least two versions now, it's blocked all scripts, executable attachments, and more. Outlook 2003 even has built-in spam filtering.
I just don't get the criticisms sometimes, it's like these vague accusations that never cite any specific examples. And people just nod their heads along with it. Same with BSOD jokes and even Clippy jokes (I haven't seen Clippy in a default Office install since...well, 1999). People are stuck in the days of Windows 98 and won't let go.
1. Is it really more stable? Sure has been for me (though I don't run XP... I've got a bit of a beef with their "Product Activation," since I change out hardware almost as often as I change my socks).
You claim Linux is indeed more stable than XP, then you immediately state you've don't use XP. Huh?
For the record, Windows XP is as stable as Linux. It's all about drivers, people. I've had Linux hang just as many times as XP ever did, particularly in the Red Hat 5.x days.
You must be trolling or something...killing a process in XP isn't "rarely successful." It kills that process no matter what.
If you meant that ending an application (you know, the next tab over), then yeah, that can take a little while as Windows tries to do a lot more cleaning up and error reporting. But killing a process has never, ever been a problem for me, and I think, for most anyone. They get killed just as fast as they do under Linux, although I have had countless instances under Linux where I couldn't kill a hung process that I had started which froze up. I have never had that problem in XP. Take that as you will...
Screw Microsoft, I use NOD32--the absolute best anti-virus software out there. Eset is totally committed to keeping the virus signatures up to date. The other day, I received no less than three automatic updates to the virus database. NOD32 has won several detection awards and passed many tests that Norton didn't pass, but the more telling triumph of NOD32's prowess is the fact that Microsoft currently uses it for their corporate networks.:)
Come on, man, you're posting on Slashdot and correlating the "soul" of an Internet application to having sex. There's no way I'll believe you actually get any.
Welcome to the reason OSS desktops and applications typically suck. Lack of creative vision and grasping of abstract concepts like the "soul" of an application.
Soul refers to interface, usability, standards, and all that. Get into a little right-brain thinking here, people.
This embarrassing FP exception hole has been around since 2.4. Yet I still expect to hear how much the "many eyes" of Open Source magically eradicate all bugs in all situations.
In light of that, think how different the discussion threads would be if this was a Windows hole and not a Linux one. Your post is the first one I've seen that even mentioned the real-world consequences of this vulnerability.
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I love how you disregard a factual study because it contradicts your opinion. What a way to bolster your argument.
"Yeah, that's not true! You're just an idiot!"
So says the Slashdotter posting through KDE running a taskbar, start menu, minimize/maximize buttons, menus in the same place on the window, similar print dialogs, integrated browser/explorer, and more...
I just tried it. Office XP opens 97 documents just fine.
Why are there so many Slashdotters still obsessed with Office 97? Are there really that many people stuck on that piece of software from seven years ago? We've had three versions of Office since then. Get over it already.
What do you mean, "finally?" They always have told people to develop apps so you don't have to run as admin, even down to determining where to store registry entries. With .NET forming the basis for Longhorn, they're merely pushing that fact even more--I doubt Longhorn will create accounts in the admin group by default, unlike XP (which does it merely to retain compatibility with the decade of Windows software that precedes it).
.NET is out, trojans and spyware are a thing of the past, and the resulting sandboxed system is stable as a rock? Just KDE 3.6 announcements, where they add more sidebar buttons to Konquerer!
This is yet another "M$" bash article that illustrates an OSS mindset of "damned if they do, damned if they don't." I always hear about how bad Windows is because it contains so much legacy compatibility, then when they remove some compatibility to update things, suddenly that's bad too. Look at the headline and article summary. Hell, I knew morons would start bringing up the Office 97 file format transition (big deal, they changed file formats once single time, and Slashdotters have still never let go...I'd like to point out how many endless changes have been made in the OSS world on the turn of a dime).
What are the Slashdot editors going to have to post once
The article is completely false, pal. You just lectured Microsoft for absolutely nothing. Who needs to "save face" now?
This is exactly why so many people are unhappy with Slashdot now. It's gotten to the point where complete falsehoods are posted willy-nilly to the front page where it gets hundreds of thousands of hits, and everyone prepares their Microsoft-bash speeches.
I know this is Slashdot, where random blog posts are submitted and become fact simply because they bash Microsoft in some way (even though it's turned out that it's completely false), but do you care to cite who this mysterious, unnamed "third-party" is?
I get e-mail about Linux all the time, and it's never, ever sent to the Junk Mail folder. It's cool to pull random facts out of our asses, but perhaps we should take the time to step back and see how foolish it makes this community look? This article is completely false, and it's hilarious to see all the people giving their prepared lectures "Well, what would you expect from Microsoft? Blah blah blah."
Slashdot posted it when it came out.
I'm convinced--the editors absolutely do not read Slashdot. The last straw was last week when Michael duped a story from three hours earlier that was still on the front page.
If the music industry ever quits living in the past, they'll wake up and give the public an option that the public already taken, and make a little money.
Funny, I could have sworn online music stores like iTunes were already around. Been living under a rock?
I thought consumers were supposed to be hating the RIAA and revolting against copy-protection measures! How can this CD top the charts when it's "not really a CD?"
Oh, that's because only the geek niche on Slashdot gets up in arms about things like this, not the rest of society. Don't you remember, nobody will buy the iPod Mini?
OS X is a pseudo-BSD system...remember?
I know people who run KDE and some ported Linux apps under OS X. OS X has the market of Apple apps available to it as well as an entire UNIX application base.
Visit Metal-Sludge for a nice site with a complete no-bullshit attitude. Though you have to be into the music demographic it's targetting, you can't help but appreciate it's complete no-frills approach. They hand out a "Super Balls Award" to people they like.
Check out this review of a Metal Edge issue for a classic example of everything people are talking about here regarding music journalists, and why Metal-Sludge is such a great juxtaposition.
Snippet:
"I sat in the "vinyl" room at a Milford, CT, specialty shop, and thumbing through the goods, I was as excited by the fabric and texture of the merchandise, as I was the potential that it represented. The exhilaration ran through my body like an invigorating rush."
Dude, you need to get fucking laid! If you're that excited about how vinyl feels, just think what a breast is going to feel like. I love a good record store as much as the next guy but come the fuck on!
"And I felt young again, with all the sensibility of an adult who knew even better. I reveled in the spirit of youth, while basking in the glow of maturity."
Seriously, who in their right mind talks like that? If a friend came up to you and said that you'd naturally assume that they were on Xtasy and tell them to go into rehab. The only reason to write like that is to impress yourself or other writers. Normal fans don't want to read that shit and normal people don't talk like that. It's pretentious. It's trying too hard to sound intelligent and deep. This is Metal Fucking Edge, not a Tom Clancy novel. People want to read shit like Maxim, Blender, Metal Sludge, etc. Real stuff, as if you were talking to a friend, not pompous shit like, "I reveled in the spirit of youth, while basking in the glow of maturity."
This is how I would write Paul's story: "I went to a record store and they had like a vinyl section in the back, you know, LPs and stuff, so I checked that shit out and it was cool. Got some good stuff." See, how hard was that? Simple and straight to the point. You got what I was saying. At no point in my 2 sentences did I ever sound like I was playing with my cock while holding albums.
Or their Random Thoughts On VH-1's 100 Most Metal Moments. Hilarious stuff. You can't help realizing how over-seriously music journalists take themselves.
After all, Linux distros don't do that with people's volunteer work when they sell their branded boxes of CDs.
They're pretty much the same. Cocoa is the new API.
Try Cocoa sometime. People wonder how they developed things without it.
That's one of the advantages of it. As a matter of fact, it's replacing Win32 in Longhorn.
Anyone else think the MP3 comparison was pointless, silly, and just an attempt to connect this to some sort of beloved buzzword to make the article submission seem cooler?
MP3 doesn't "remove" frequencies anyway. And this mesh compression is merely the same sort of thing I've already seen in terrain engines like in Black & White and Far Cry. Not to mention, this has nothing to do with compressing meshes for storage space but to speed up rendering, further making the MP3 comparison silly.
they believe in free speech instead of trying to squish it, and they, unlike their **AA counterparts, aren't trying to sue the pants off of the online world, or run to Congress whining.
Nice random MPAA/RIAA dig there (is it all Slashdotters think about anymore that they have to interject it at every opportunity?), but the fact is that there have been several articles in the past five years about how the porn industry is worried about P2P because it pirates their material. Ever done a search on eMule to see how much porn is out there ripped from the subscription sites?
The porn industry doesn't run to Congress because Congress isn't going to take a porn industry seriously! Painting them as some sort of free speech golden defenders is hilarious--they're a sleazy, money-grubbing business like any other (and they like to buy ad space through horrible spyware delivers like CoolWebSearch).
So run VMWare. You'll suddenly have access to an entire Windows system in a window on your Linux "desktop."
We hear constantly about how bad Outlook is supposed to be, yet it's usually from people who obviously haven't touched a Windows machine since 1999. For at least two versions now, it's blocked all scripts, executable attachments, and more. Outlook 2003 even has built-in spam filtering.
I just don't get the criticisms sometimes, it's like these vague accusations that never cite any specific examples. And people just nod their heads along with it. Same with BSOD jokes and even Clippy jokes (I haven't seen Clippy in a default Office install since...well, 1999). People are stuck in the days of Windows 98 and won't let go.
1. Is it really more stable? Sure has been for me (though I don't run XP... I've got a bit of a beef with their "Product Activation," since I change out hardware almost as often as I change my socks).
You claim Linux is indeed more stable than XP, then you immediately state you've don't use XP. Huh?
For the record, Windows XP is as stable as Linux. It's all about drivers, people. I've had Linux hang just as many times as XP ever did, particularly in the Red Hat 5.x days.
You must be trolling or something...killing a process in XP isn't "rarely successful." It kills that process no matter what.
If you meant that ending an application (you know, the next tab over), then yeah, that can take a little while as Windows tries to do a lot more cleaning up and error reporting. But killing a process has never, ever been a problem for me, and I think, for most anyone. They get killed just as fast as they do under Linux, although I have had countless instances under Linux where I couldn't kill a hung process that I had started which froze up. I have never had that problem in XP. Take that as you will...
Screw Microsoft, I use NOD32--the absolute best anti-virus software out there. Eset is totally committed to keeping the virus signatures up to date. The other day, I received no less than three automatic updates to the virus database. NOD32 has won several detection awards and passed many tests that Norton didn't pass, but the more telling triumph of NOD32's prowess is the fact that Microsoft currently uses it for their corporate networks. :)
Like you have sex.
Come on, man, you're posting on Slashdot and correlating the "soul" of an Internet application to having sex. There's no way I'll believe you actually get any.
(joke)
Welcome to the reason OSS desktops and applications typically suck. Lack of creative vision and grasping of abstract concepts like the "soul" of an application.
Soul refers to interface, usability, standards, and all that. Get into a little right-brain thinking here, people.
This embarrassing FP exception hole has been around since 2.4. Yet I still expect to hear how much the "many eyes" of Open Source magically eradicate all bugs in all situations.
In light of that, think how different the discussion threads would be if this was a Windows hole and not a Linux one. Your post is the first one I've seen that even mentioned the real-world consequences of this vulnerability.