find that puzzling, especially since you're a Microsoft Zealot who has to defend anything and everything that Microsoft does and who drools over their offerings, no matter how lackluster.
Okay, cite an example. I'll be waiting.
You're reaching. They mentioned nothing about the "Windows shell"--you're the one making that distinction.
Next time, attempt something called comprehension.
I'm not "reaching." It is absolute fact that IE is tied to the Windows shell. And it is because of this reason that Microsoft said IE could not be removed from Windows.
Note that I never said they weren't lying (they were). You're just being one of those insane stalking ACs who spends idle time in their college classes hunting down people to troll and calling them "M$ zealots." Good luck having a life.
They aren't calling 12 year old children "thieves" for swapping music. Nice propoganda attempt though.
In reality, they sent lawsuits out to all the IPs they saw were violating copyright. It's not like they knew one of them would be a 12 year old kid, or an 80 year old man. Slashdot is entirely too silly about this--they settled without problem.
I should have timed my watch and made a bet for the first comment to appear that used this as justification for illegal piracy.
Piracy is magically a "pinprick" now? "So it seems?" These half-assed justifications are silly.
Oh well. Good that they caught this. The artist do deserve their money.
The funny part is, you get modded up Insightful for saying that in an article about some record labels (not the RIAA) not paying some royalties in some cases, but if you say that in an article about a piracy crackdown, you get modded as Troll! And about 50 people reply to you in an attempt to bash you down.
I guess artists only deserve their money in situations in which a convenient scapegoat gets punished, not illegal P2P downloaders ripping artists off.
Despite the article's assertions, no evidence of widespread security problems, or lack of effort to solve them, is offered. The only real question is Apple's lack of communication with the public in the nature of the problems.
I bitch a lot about Slashdot for its biased summaries and viewpoints, but this time I have to applaud it for sounding rational. If only this sort of calm, rational perspective was applied to all the articles posted!
Just felt like pointing it out. Good job in this instance.
I do agree that marketing hype often builds a product bigger than it is.
However, MSDN has been regularly releasing tech demos, hosted by the guys actually working on the technology. I've mentioned it in the past, but for instance, one guy wrote a 15-20 line mix of C# and XAML to create an app that updated his website blog, complete with looping AVI behind vector-rotated widget controls. The WinFS guy did a search for specific Microsoft employees on the command line, and the query came back in less than a second. Basically, he declared the era of brute-force searching over.
We've seen bits and pieces of these technologies, but never so integrated into one development solution. That's why Longhorn is not going away and will be everywhere.
I guess it just annoys me that some people feel the need to resort to dismissiveness just because they don't like someone's marketing department. I appreciate technology no matter who makes it. Microsoft employs some damn talented people, some of the best in the world.
Longhorn apparently already has hardware requirements, even though they were merely predictions by watchdogs who attended the WinHEC?
Nobody likes Windows XP, and everybody is hearing about Linux, even though Google Zeitgeist shows Linux at 1% usage?
The Lone Gunmen die? Oh, wait...
Yes, kids, you need to try getting your news outside of Slashdot once in a while--you'll see that the computing world is sometimes a completely different place than what you see reported here...
Again, this is why people think Slashdot is a fucking joke when it comes to reporting "tech news." Slashdotters spread these incorrect truths around and they just become true because it's anti-"M$."
WinFS was NOT cancelled. It wasn't even scaled back. They just removed some extraneous network features not required (which will probably be free downloadable updates anyway). But, all the sites like Slashdot completely SPUN it and misreported it. Slashdot is owned by VA Linux, so the agenda is obvious.:)
All the MSDN blogs were laughing about the reporting on this. And the Slashdot hivemind--that means all you people out there who build your computing mindset based entirely out of Slashdot articles--proves itself ignorant and foolish-looking once again. The rational of us know better.
WinFS is alive and well. MSDN just put a technology showcase video out about it a couple of weeks ago! All they did was decide not to implement some network-specific features in order to focus on getting the core technology done.
This is the second time I've seen WinFS supposedly "cancelled" in this article discussion.
Ahahahaha...have you not heard of the Common Language Specification, which publicly explains to compilers how to produce the intermediate code? We could have Python.NET if we wanted (and it's being worked on).
This isn't exactly some sort of black secret. They published them as open standards. How do you think Mono exists? Any compiler can look at the specs and produce the code.
Sigh...Slashdot sucks these days. The endless Microsoft articles are boring and uninformed. Remember when it was cool tech news?
Although I imagine knowing Microsoft, the problems were at least as much technical than political, and they just gave up considering it to be "too hard and we can't be arsed", just like WinFS.
This is why people complain about Slashdot's misreporting and falsehoods.
They never "gave up" on WinFS. WinFS is alive and well. All the MS blogs were making fun of the reporting on this--all that changed with WinFS was that some network things were taken out of it, extraneous features not required for it to work but will probably be added as additional downloads through Windows Update anyway.
I love how reality is revised around here when people base their reality on Slashdot headlines. WinFS is alive and well.
you do know what the kernel is right? it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING todo with kde (except for basic device interfaces, which is what a kernel should do imho)
Uh, thanks for informing me. Yes, I know what the kernel is and that it has nothing to do with KDE.
so please clarify your statement to enlighten us how kde gets integrated into the kernel
Ah, I get it--you're a moron. I never said KDE was integrated into the kernel. I guess you missed the entire part of my post where I said IE was integrated into the shell, and that KDE does the same thing. KDE integrated Konquerer into its environment. That's why it takes 3 seconds just to open my Home folder.
In other words, when Microsoft integrates their filesystem and HTML browser, it's a huge whiny deal, but then KDE comes along and does the exact same thing and suddenly it's "innovation." Just pointing it out.
It was your good friends over at Microsoft who testified during the antitrust trial that IE was an integral part of the OS and couldn't be removed without crippling it. So I guess it was your beloved Microsoft who started that meme, eh?
My good friends at Microsoft? Zealots never cease to amaze me.
Yes, they said removing it would cripple the OS, because the Windows shell is, you know, a big part of the Windows OS. But IE is not tied to the kernel. This is simple fact here.
Yes, we all know the inability to remove IE was a lie--Windows Lite runs just fine.
How does someone enforcing copyright restrictions on their material have anything whatsoever to do with a car I bought that you would turn off by remote?
Do you even know what a copyright violation is, or how flagrant it is these days? PC game makers can barely make money as it is. With a DRM license, you'd never have to enter a CD key. You'd have the DRM license on your computer, so it would just run.
Please, get outside of Slashdot once in a while. This place wants you to think absolutely everything outside of OSS is bad, evil, and "bloatware."
Because none of these resources were confirmed by anything. They were projected guesses by the guys who wrote it.
But, hey, nothing beats a good chance to assume rumors are fact in order to bash "M$" some more, right? Meanwhile, let's take 9 seconds to load OpenOffice...:P
So, you have to wait an extra 2 seconds for it to load up because the WEB BROWSER isn't tied to the KERNEL. After all, what sort of moronic dipshits would make a web browser an integral part of a system kernel anyway?
Good question. Microsoft didn't tie IE to their kernel. They tied it to the Windows shell.
I love the progression of memes around here. IE startes out integrated into the shell, and over time becomes integrated into the actual Windows kernel itself! Cute.
It's a big deal because this is Slashdot, and we need something from Microsoft to bitch about daily, especially if it's Longhorn.
This isn't a pro-Linux site--it's become an anti-Microsoft site. Where's the article about the I/O file regressions happening in kernel 2.6? Oh, that's right, it would break the hegemony.
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find that puzzling, especially since you're a Microsoft Zealot who has to defend anything and everything that Microsoft does and who drools over their offerings, no matter how lackluster.
Okay, cite an example. I'll be waiting.
You're reaching. They mentioned nothing about the "Windows shell"--you're the one making that distinction.
Next time, attempt something called comprehension.
I'm not "reaching." It is absolute fact that IE is tied to the Windows shell. And it is because of this reason that Microsoft said IE could not be removed from Windows.
Note that I never said they weren't lying (they were). You're just being one of those insane stalking ACs who spends idle time in their college classes hunting down people to troll and calling them "M$ zealots." Good luck having a life.
That was hilarious. :) Thanks.
They aren't calling 12 year old children "thieves" for swapping music. Nice propoganda attempt though.
In reality, they sent lawsuits out to all the IPs they saw were violating copyright. It's not like they knew one of them would be a 12 year old kid, or an 80 year old man. Slashdot is entirely too silly about this--they settled without problem.
I should have timed my watch and made a bet for the first comment to appear that used this as justification for illegal piracy.
Piracy is magically a "pinprick" now? "So it seems?" These half-assed justifications are silly.
Oh well. Good that they caught this. The artist do deserve their money.
The funny part is, you get modded up Insightful for saying that in an article about some record labels (not the RIAA) not paying some royalties in some cases, but if you say that in an article about a piracy crackdown, you get modded as Troll! And about 50 people reply to you in an attempt to bash you down.
I guess artists only deserve their money in situations in which a convenient scapegoat gets punished, not illegal P2P downloaders ripping artists off.
Despite the article's assertions, no evidence of widespread security problems, or lack of effort to solve them, is offered. The only real question is Apple's lack of communication with the public in the nature of the problems.
I bitch a lot about Slashdot for its biased summaries and viewpoints, but this time I have to applaud it for sounding rational. If only this sort of calm, rational perspective was applied to all the articles posted!
Just felt like pointing it out. Good job in this instance.
OSS products fucking suck too. Everything sucks. But a lot of people think Mac and Windows products suck less.
I do agree that marketing hype often builds a product bigger than it is.
However, MSDN has been regularly releasing tech demos, hosted by the guys actually working on the technology. I've mentioned it in the past, but for instance, one guy wrote a 15-20 line mix of C# and XAML to create an app that updated his website blog, complete with looping AVI behind vector-rotated widget controls. The WinFS guy did a search for specific Microsoft employees on the command line, and the query came back in less than a second. Basically, he declared the era of brute-force searching over.
We've seen bits and pieces of these technologies, but never so integrated into one development solution. That's why Longhorn is not going away and will be everywhere.
I guess it just annoys me that some people feel the need to resort to dismissiveness just because they don't like someone's marketing department. I appreciate technology no matter who makes it. Microsoft employs some damn talented people, some of the best in the world.
The percentage of desktop Linux usage is going to overtake the Mac!
Forgot that one.
Didn't you know that:
WinFS was "cancelled?"
The iPod Mini is a complete and utter failure?
Microsoft violates human rights in China?
Longhorn apparently already has hardware requirements, even though they were merely predictions by watchdogs who attended the WinHEC?
Nobody likes Windows XP, and everybody is hearing about Linux, even though Google Zeitgeist shows Linux at 1% usage?
The Lone Gunmen die? Oh, wait...
Yes, kids, you need to try getting your news outside of Slashdot once in a while--you'll see that the computing world is sometimes a completely different place than what you see reported here...
Again, this is why people think Slashdot is a fucking joke when it comes to reporting "tech news." Slashdotters spread these incorrect truths around and they just become true because it's anti-"M$."
:)
WinFS was NOT cancelled. It wasn't even scaled back. They just removed some extraneous network features not required (which will probably be free downloadable updates anyway). But, all the sites like Slashdot completely SPUN it and misreported it. Slashdot is owned by VA Linux, so the agenda is obvious.
All the MSDN blogs were laughing about the reporting on this. And the Slashdot hivemind--that means all you people out there who build your computing mindset based entirely out of Slashdot articles--proves itself ignorant and foolish-looking once again. The rational of us know better.
WinFS is alive and well. MSDN just put a technology showcase video out about it a couple of weeks ago! All they did was decide not to implement some network-specific features in order to focus on getting the core technology done.
This is the second time I've seen WinFS supposedly "cancelled" in this article discussion.
"Decrypts MSIL?"
Ahahahaha...have you not heard of the Common Language Specification, which publicly explains to compilers how to produce the intermediate code? We could have Python.NET if we wanted (and it's being worked on).
This isn't exactly some sort of black secret. They published them as open standards. How do you think Mono exists? Any compiler can look at the specs and produce the code.
Sigh...Slashdot sucks these days. The endless Microsoft articles are boring and uninformed. Remember when it was cool tech news?
Microsoft presented something, customers and partners rejected it, so Microsoft listened and shelved it.
Is Microsoft still going to be considered the "evil" company who "forces" things on people whether they want it or not?
Although I imagine knowing Microsoft, the problems were at least as much technical than political, and they just gave up considering it to be "too hard and we can't be arsed", just like WinFS.
This is why people complain about Slashdot's misreporting and falsehoods.
They never "gave up" on WinFS. WinFS is alive and well. All the MS blogs were making fun of the reporting on this--all that changed with WinFS was that some network things were taken out of it, extraneous features not required for it to work but will probably be added as additional downloads through Windows Update anyway.
I love how reality is revised around here when people base their reality on Slashdot headlines. WinFS is alive and well.
Let's just revel in the fact that Slashdot will pounce on it, and we'll likely get an article later today about it.
Facts? Bah. it's all about anti-"M$" propaganda today.
you do know what the kernel is right? it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING todo with kde (except for basic device interfaces, which is what a kernel should do imho)
Uh, thanks for informing me. Yes, I know what the kernel is and that it has nothing to do with KDE.
so please clarify your statement to enlighten us how kde gets integrated into the kernel
Ah, I get it--you're a moron. I never said KDE was integrated into the kernel. I guess you missed the entire part of my post where I said IE was integrated into the shell, and that KDE does the same thing. KDE integrated Konquerer into its environment. That's why it takes 3 seconds just to open my Home folder.
In other words, when Microsoft integrates their filesystem and HTML browser, it's a huge whiny deal, but then KDE comes along and does the exact same thing and suddenly it's "innovation." Just pointing it out.
It was your good friends over at Microsoft who testified during the antitrust trial that IE was an integral part of the OS and couldn't be removed without crippling it. So I guess it was your beloved Microsoft who started that meme, eh?
My good friends at Microsoft? Zealots never cease to amaze me.
Yes, they said removing it would cripple the OS, because the Windows shell is, you know, a big part of the Windows OS. But IE is not tied to the kernel. This is simple fact here.
Yes, we all know the inability to remove IE was a lie--Windows Lite runs just fine.
As a demo, I find "we can play 6 videos at once" decidedly unimpressive.
Of course you find it decidedly unimpressive--Linux can't do it.
How does someone enforcing copyright restrictions on their material have anything whatsoever to do with a car I bought that you would turn off by remote?
Do you even know what a copyright violation is, or how flagrant it is these days? PC game makers can barely make money as it is. With a DRM license, you'd never have to enter a CD key. You'd have the DRM license on your computer, so it would just run.
Please, get outside of Slashdot once in a while. This place wants you to think absolutely everything outside of OSS is bad, evil, and "bloatware."
Because none of these resources were confirmed by anything. They were projected guesses by the guys who wrote it.
:P
But, hey, nothing beats a good chance to assume rumors are fact in order to bash "M$" some more, right? Meanwhile, let's take 9 seconds to load OpenOffice...
You mean that DRM they've been saying from the beginning is optional?
I forgot, copyright holders shouldn't have the ability to control anything they make, so DRM is automatically bad.
So, you have to wait an extra 2 seconds for it to load up because the WEB BROWSER isn't tied to the KERNEL. After all, what sort of moronic dipshits would make a web browser an integral part of a system kernel anyway?
Good question. Microsoft didn't tie IE to their kernel. They tied it to the Windows shell.
I love the progression of memes around here. IE startes out integrated into the shell, and over time becomes integrated into the actual Windows kernel itself! Cute.
Meanwhile, KDE does the same damn thing.
The figures come from the guys at the WinHEC that took place. They were demonstrating builds of Longhorn there. This thing definitely isn't vaporware.
Jim Allchin showed Longhorn playing six high-resolution videos at the same time, while playing Quake III in the background.
XP on equivalent hardware barely sputtered out four of the videos. Longhorn is definitely a media OS.
I'm looking forward to this new 3D infrastructure display technology.
Yes he did.
Okay. Then cite it.
Quoting Wired is the sign of ignorance.
Wired quoted an interview in the Boston Herald. Next!
It's a big deal because this is Slashdot, and we need something from Microsoft to bitch about daily, especially if it's Longhorn.
This isn't a pro-Linux site--it's become an anti-Microsoft site. Where's the article about the I/O file regressions happening in kernel 2.6? Oh, that's right, it would break the hegemony.