It's due out Q4 2004, and it will support PS3.0, 128-bit precision, as well as supporting DirectX 10.
This was just to kill time and compete with the new nVidia card. ATI was so confident in its previous architecture it just added new features and sped things up and called it the R420.:)
The R500 architecture will support DirectX 10, PS3.0, with 128-bit precision.
ATI has everything planned out. So it's a situation where nVidia has just come out with their next-generation card, but ATI has just sped up their last card to kill time until the super-high-end card comes out later this year. ATI has yet to reveal their true next-generation card, while nVidia's new generation card is already equalled by ATI's current one with simple feature increases.
Uh, yes it does. If you're a fanboy and think 2% in one week is amazing, go right ahead...but before this can be some sort of breathless victory, one should expect a little better.
Oh good lord, I have so many problems with KDE crashing or taking forever to load up when I have it save my sessions.
That's the first thing I turn off when I install now. I'm tired of the hodgepodge that people call "desktop environments" and release as KDE and GNOME. My next purchase will be a Mac!
Meaning Apple will have released TEN operating systems (Mac OS X 10.0, Mac OS X Server, Mac OS X 10.1, Mac OS X Server 10.1, Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS X Server 10.2, you get the picture) in the time it took Microsoft to release two...
Meanwhile, in the next "bitch at M$" article, someone will mention how evil Microsoft is for releasing a new version of Windows every 2-3 years. They'll even call it "leveraging their monopoly."
Why do people keep saying "convicted monopolist?" It's not illegal to be a monopoly. You're not "convicted" of being a monopoly.
If you said "abusive monopoly," that would be different, but "convicted monopolist" doesn't mean anything. It's redundant. Just say "monopolist" or "abusive monopolist."
DRM is being driven not by demand from consumers but from owners of copyrights.
DRM is being driven from fear of rampant P2P piracy. Blame pirates. The only way to enforce copyrights is to protect it digitally through usage restrictions, because few other things work. Hell, the RIAA can't even enforce its own copyrights with lawsuits without a bunch of whiny college students jumping up and painting the RIAA as a bad guy for protecting its own rights.
It sucks, but fucking pirates with their mindsets have ruined it for everyone and forced copyright holders into setting up restrictions to make it difficult to just fire up eMule and pirate away.
Uh, the blogger was talking about people sitting on similar ideas in order to submarine the company later on.
You linked to an incident that dealt very specifically with the patented ASF file format, not some vaguely similar idea that someone is using to keep someone else from doing something similar. Apples and oranges.
What a dumb post. OS X, Linux, and XP all have their fair share of security holes and patches.
Microsoft is busy building an entire Windows desktop out of.NET. That's why there's no interim release...and that's why SP2 will be such a big deal, because they're basically making it their interim release.
I can't imagine the woes I'll go through once Longhorn is released (2050)
When Longhorn comes out in 2006, and all the new PCs run it, and their old apps run just fine, will you come on Slashdot and post that you were wrong? Just curious.
I see a new vague future prediction made on Slashdot in every article. I can only laugh, because it reminds me of every vague future prediction made in 1999, 2000, 2001, etc. that never came true.
What are you going to do with an X800 under Linux? Run gee-whizbang-hardware-accelerated xterms?
The only thing I can think of is Unreal Tournament 2004, which runs fine on current top-of-the-line cards as it is.
I'm sorry, but Linux only has 1% of usage according to Google Zeitgeist...I just don't see it as a priority for ATI, and since they're running a business you should be able to understand that too. They're busy writing the new Catalyst drivers for Windows to take advantage of this card.
Better performance than a "rumored" card that no one has seen? You don't say!
Uh, yeah, it hs better performance than the published numbers of that "rumored" card. I'm sure nVidia will be tweaking it now to make it even better before release, judging by these new numbers.
I only just heard about this game a month ago (seems I've been lax in following PC gaming in the last few years), but apparently it blew everyone away, and the demo was as talked-about as the shareware version of Doom was way back when.
So I went out and bought Far Cry--I was fucking blown away. CryTek beat everybody to the punch (here's looking at you, id Software), but in addition to have Doom 3 level graphics, had the balls to decide to have massive outdoor tropical island environments with no limit of visibility.
The graphics are not the reason the game is amazing, not by a long shot--but goddamn, the CryEngine is the best out there today. EVERY SINGLE AREA in the game had some sort of "oh my god" moment, whether it was something amazing the AI did, an amazing graphics demonstration, and so on.
While it's true that both ATi's and Nvidia's new cards scream, it has to be noted that ATi decided not to compete with Nvidia on quality. The new 3.0 versions of the Vertex and Fragment shaders, as implemented in the NV40, are a stunning advance over the 2.0 shaders in the newest ATi cards.
What stunning advance? ATI chose not to include them because they wouldn't affect anything in the next 12-18 months. They said they'd include them once they became a relevant issue for gaming.
The CEO of CryTek even said there is absolutely no visual difference between PS2.0 and PS3.0 in Far Cry.
All of these limitations, and more, were addressed in the new 3.0 shaders.
I fully expect an X820 XT in the next few months that has PS3.0. The big deal here for me is the quality matching in almost all areas, but at a one-slot, 350-watt requirement. I'm not going to run out and buy a new power supply for a two-slot nVidia card...other than that, the new GeForce is a great comeback for nVidia. But I don't see how it's going to win the hearst of OEMs with its massive power consumption.
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Did Bill Gates Really Say That?
Someone just did this joke a couple of articles ago. False memes that never die just make people look ignorant.
It's due out Q4 2004, and it will support PS3.0, 128-bit precision, as well as supporting DirectX 10.
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This was just to kill time and compete with the new nVidia card. ATI was so confident in its previous architecture it just added new features and sped things up and called it the R420.
By saying "Bill Gates' famous quote," you're basically implying he said it, and continuing to spread the incorrect meme.
It makes Slashdotters look ignorant when it keeps popping up.
http://endian.net/details.asp?tag=atir500
The R500 architecture will support DirectX 10, PS3.0, with 128-bit precision.
ATI has everything planned out. So it's a situation where nVidia has just come out with their next-generation card, but ATI has just sped up their last card to kill time until the super-high-end card comes out later this year. ATI has yet to reveal their true next-generation card, while nVidia's new generation card is already equalled by ATI's current one with simple feature increases.
They probably also suggested some minor tweaks at the transistor and manufacturing levels that ended up having a major impact.
The X800 specifically has a lower transister count and a smaller die.
Yes, hardware problems will bring the whole machine down.
Just the other day, FreeBSD 5.2.1 crashed on me while I exited GNOME. It just froze at the returning console.
And yes, a hardware driver issue can crash your system.
Yes, I do use that first PCI slot. Why do I care if you haven't used yours in years?
Uh, yes it does. If you're a fanboy and think 2% in one week is amazing, go right ahead...but before this can be some sort of breathless victory, one should expect a little better.
Oh good lord, I have so many problems with KDE crashing or taking forever to load up when I have it save my sessions.
That's the first thing I turn off when I install now. I'm tired of the hodgepodge that people call "desktop environments" and release as KDE and GNOME. My next purchase will be a Mac!
Meaning Apple will have released TEN operating systems (Mac OS X 10.0, Mac OS X Server, Mac OS X 10.1, Mac OS X Server 10.1, Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS X Server 10.2, you get the picture) in the time it took Microsoft to release two...
Meanwhile, in the next "bitch at M$" article, someone will mention how evil Microsoft is for releasing a new version of Windows every 2-3 years. They'll even call it "leveraging their monopoly."
Well, XP SP1 changed memory handling, added the ability to change program defaults, etc.
SP2 will add a new firewall, pop-up blocking and ActiveX component management to IE6, and more.
The service packs have become more feature-packed than the NT days.
Why do people keep saying "convicted monopolist?" It's not illegal to be a monopoly. You're not "convicted" of being a monopoly.
If you said "abusive monopoly," that would be different, but "convicted monopolist" doesn't mean anything. It's redundant. Just say "monopolist" or "abusive monopolist."
DRM is being driven not by demand from consumers but from owners of copyrights.
DRM is being driven from fear of rampant P2P piracy. Blame pirates. The only way to enforce copyrights is to protect it digitally through usage restrictions, because few other things work. Hell, the RIAA can't even enforce its own copyrights with lawsuits without a bunch of whiny college students jumping up and painting the RIAA as a bad guy for protecting its own rights.
It sucks, but fucking pirates with their mindsets have ruined it for everyone and forced copyright holders into setting up restrictions to make it difficult to just fire up eMule and pirate away.
Uh, the blogger was talking about people sitting on similar ideas in order to submarine the company later on.
You linked to an incident that dealt very specifically with the patented ASF file format, not some vaguely similar idea that someone is using to keep someone else from doing something similar. Apples and oranges.
Why does nVidia recommend a 450-watt power supply, and ATI recommends 100 watts less?
The X800 has a lower transistor count and power requirements. How about reading all the reviews and not just Tom's Hardware (who always loves nVidia).
Two slots? Huge and noisy? Forget that. Next.
What a dumb post. OS X, Linux, and XP all have their fair share of security holes and patches.
.NET. That's why there's no interim release...and that's why SP2 will be such a big deal, because they're basically making it their interim release.
Microsoft is busy building an entire Windows desktop out of
Get him, he's threatening our hegemony!
I can't imagine the woes I'll go through once Longhorn is released (2050)
When Longhorn comes out in 2006, and all the new PCs run it, and their old apps run just fine, will you come on Slashdot and post that you were wrong? Just curious.
I see a new vague future prediction made on Slashdot in every article. I can only laugh, because it reminds me of every vague future prediction made in 1999, 2000, 2001, etc. that never came true.
You can't say that about a 1GHz PC running XP!
As a 1GHz user running XP, yes, I can.
Windows XP Pro upgrade does NOT cost "$199." Hell, the full version of Windows XP costs $99.99 at my store, and the upgrade is $59.99.
He never said it, and even if he did, it was correct--in 1982, 640K was all anyone would ever need. The statement was not false.
What are you going to do with an X800 under Linux? Run gee-whizbang-hardware-accelerated xterms?
The only thing I can think of is Unreal Tournament 2004, which runs fine on current top-of-the-line cards as it is.
I'm sorry, but Linux only has 1% of usage according to Google Zeitgeist...I just don't see it as a priority for ATI, and since they're running a business you should be able to understand that too. They're busy writing the new Catalyst drivers for Windows to take advantage of this card.
Better performance than a "rumored" card that no one has seen? You don't say!
Uh, yeah, it hs better performance than the published numbers of that "rumored" card. I'm sure nVidia will be tweaking it now to make it even better before release, judging by these new numbers.
I only just heard about this game a month ago (seems I've been lax in following PC gaming in the last few years), but apparently it blew everyone away, and the demo was as talked-about as the shareware version of Doom was way back when.
So I went out and bought Far Cry--I was fucking blown away. CryTek beat everybody to the punch (here's looking at you, id Software), but in addition to have Doom 3 level graphics, had the balls to decide to have massive outdoor tropical island environments with no limit of visibility.
The graphics are not the reason the game is amazing, not by a long shot--but goddamn, the CryEngine is the best out there today. EVERY SINGLE AREA in the game had some sort of "oh my god" moment, whether it was something amazing the AI did, an amazing graphics demonstration, and so on.
While it's true that both ATi's and Nvidia's new cards scream, it has to be noted that ATi decided not to compete with Nvidia on quality. The new 3.0 versions of the Vertex and Fragment shaders, as implemented in the NV40, are a stunning advance over the 2.0 shaders in the newest ATi cards.
What stunning advance? ATI chose not to include them because they wouldn't affect anything in the next 12-18 months. They said they'd include them once they became a relevant issue for gaming.
The CEO of CryTek even said there is absolutely no visual difference between PS2.0 and PS3.0 in Far Cry.
All of these limitations, and more, were addressed in the new 3.0 shaders.
I fully expect an X820 XT in the next few months that has PS3.0. The big deal here for me is the quality matching in almost all areas, but at a one-slot, 350-watt requirement. I'm not going to run out and buy a new power supply for a two-slot nVidia card...other than that, the new GeForce is a great comeback for nVidia. But I don't see how it's going to win the hearst of OEMs with its massive power consumption.