And my point is, without giving up your identity, how do you crack into the machines needed for a DDOS attack without IP spoofing? This would make it much harder for a cracker to set up a DDOS attack.
There is no need to spoof the originating IP when you are hitting it from thousands of nodes across the net (and you don't own any of them)!
But there still is a need for IP spoofing...
To crack the machines that are going to participate in a DDOS attack the cracker must spoof his IP address to avoid being cought. Stopping IP spoofing at the router level would stop crackers from getting into the machines that they need to use for a DDOS attack. This wouldn't stop them from cracking the machines but it would make it more difficult for all cracking in general.
Hate to say it, but wouldn't it be more effective to run NT? Although there are good reasons why Linux is not as scalable (lack of high-spec machines in the hands of Linux developers), which are being fixed - for now NT scales *far* better.
NT, as it's code currently stands, will never be able to be ported to the main-frame. Microsoft has tried other platforms but seems to have failed, numerous times. Linux on the ohter hand already supports more platforms than any other OS. Porting to the main-frame was just the next logical step in the evolution of Linux.
By the way for every user you would have to have a seperate instance of NT because NT is not multi-user! Taken that into account NT would take more resources than Linux!
I just checked my local listing and I'm not going to be able to see it. It appears that there are others who will not be able to see it either. I just hope/. will do a follow up so people like me can at least a taste for it.
Please post a follow up on this discussion about the documentary on PBS some time after the show has aired. That way we can discuss what the show was about without this discussion getting in the way.
This seems to show that Microsoft is beginning to admit that it is in denail about it's inferior products.
After the admission you must discover what you are in denial about.
Microsoft now must identify which products are inferior. (IMHO every single one of them except freecell)
After discovering your areas of denial you must fix them.
For Microsoft I think this is impossible. Once a project hits a certian point you must scrap it. Kinda like a nuclear explosion. Once the Plutonium or Uranium starts to FIZZ you can't stop it.
When I lived in Maryland I lived about a block away from an establishment that served liquor. This establisment was across the street from an elementary school. There were times that I saw someone in a drunken stupor walk infront of the playground while the children were on recess. This is totally illegal. Part of the liquor license states that you cannot sell liquor within a certian distance of an evironment for children. Last I checked a elementary school/play ground is for children. What had happened was a break down in the system which was based around greed. But it is being fought and last I checked there is a good chance that the establisment is going to be fined big time (possibly putting it out of business) and its liquor license revoked.
Another part of the liquor license is to try to maintain acountability to the sellers of liquor so they don't sell to minors.
I know this is quickly moving off topic but... I do believe that you must be 21 to be able to drink. I've personally seen the results of alcoholisim on a family. In each case, and I've seen a lot, every person who is/was an alcholic started before the age of 21. I know this is just one demographic but before they were at an age to fully realize the action that they were partakeing in they were hurting themselves, their future and their family.
I believe that the current regulations (except for taxes) on liquor, basically in the form of a liquor license, is a very good thing. But we live in a corrupt society so there are going to be down falls. But without the regulation I know of too many lives that would be ruined.
You may well be right, but if so, that is hardly good news.
I never claimed it was good news.
Hundreds if not thousands were killed, either by government thugs (coast guard, police, FBI) or gangsters (nongovernment thugs), and hundreds if not thousands more were imprisoned, lost their homes, and so forth.
That was a different time. The media would jump over anything remotely close to the government's actions during the Prohibition. There will be isolated insidents but as the press converges on them they will subside. And you cannot say that the media is controled by the government. It is controled by money hungry mega-monopoly corporations. For them money = number of viewers. The easiest way to get a high number of viewers is to put the worst light on the government as possible.
Things may change though and very soon all our rights may be striped from us. I feel that this will not happen but objectively I cannot discount this fact. So I will continue to vote and do my best to be involved with the UCITA and DMCA.
You are correct in the fact that there have men many, err too many, failed regulations. But the point that I am trying to make is that the US is going to suffer in the form of money and right now it seems that money is the driving force of the political process, UCITA in Virginia. The loss of money due to the regulation of the Internet will force the de-regulation.
will end up like the Prohibition. The Prohibition was canceled shortly after it was enacted because it was seriously flawed. It looked good on paper but just didn't stand up to what was reality. I have a bad feeling that some BAD internet/digital/infomation laws are going to be passed by the US government. The US is going to hurt economically in a serious way once the regulation is in place. It will take a while but the regulation will be slowly lifted to allow for economic growth. Just like crypto regulation is slowly being lifted now.
I wish it wasn't so but the powers that be don't understand anything about the ramifications of regulating anything tech let alone something the US doesn't own.
I cannot believe that anywhere in America that this could happen. Not for the fact that it is stomping out rights of American citizens, but for the fact that this is going to cause fear, uncerinty and doubt FUD amongst the ones who feel they will be targeted.
Imagine a boy named Joe. He doesn't have any friends and he likes to play on the computer. He gets into programming and gaming. To all the other NORMAL kids he will be branded as different. To the NORMAL different is scarry so they will naturally use the W.A.V.E system to try to remove the scarry part of their lives.
Now Joe is going to realize that the other students are going to try to rat on him. Fear of being wrongfully turned in will will lead to more fear. Joe will withdraw more. He will also become uncertian of any thing he might try. Lending more credibility that Joe is different. Doubt of everything will casue him to withdraw from the society of school further isolating him from the rest of the students.
With all of this happening to Joe, he will possibly become depressed and quit possibly violent. The system has bread what it is designed to stop.
Considering the above example (which pretty much matches my elementary school experience, except that I was beaten rather than turned in) the system will create the subjects it needs to flourish. Considering the fact that this is a for profit making instution doesn't it just seem that they have created a self-perpetuating system to make money at the expense of children?
The perspective that I was trying to potray is taxes are almost always bad. To almost every tax situation there is a better answer. I am in favor of regulation in very extreme circumstances. The telephone is one of them. Instead of the Government taxing, the government should regulate by saying, "All your customers have to get the service at the same price no matter where they are." Leave it up to the tele. Co. to rase rates accordingly to make up for the cost difference. This is almost the same thing as taxation but with out the government getting its greedy hand into things. It is also more efficient because now there is no money exchanging the hands of a third party.
Also the comment that I was referring to... 6. The only other regulation we need is guaranteed low-cost access for anyone, like basic telephone service. No matter where they live in rural or remote areas. Tax the high-speed access people for this. Yeah, it's taxes. Deal with it.
Is saying that the high-speed access people should be taxed. If one internet user is taxed they all should be taxed, not just the high-bandwith ones.
6. The only other regulation we need is guaranteed low-cost access for anyone, like basic telephone service. No matter where they live in rural or remote areas. Tax the high-speed access people for this. Yeah, it's taxes. Deal with it.
Saying this is like saying, "I live in a remote part of America. There is no pizza place that will deliver to me. So tax the people that live in highly populated ares that have many pizza delivery options so I can have pizza delivery too."
I have a DSL line into my apartment. I pay more than a dialup line because I have more bandwith. I am paying more for more. I shouldn't have to pay more (for more) and more (taxes so someone remote can have it too). That is the Robin Hood mentatility. Rob from the rich to give to the poor. That is socalist to the extreme. Kinda like America's tax system.
I agree, this type of research, IMHO, is definitely not frivolous, but for another reason... Serendipity. Even if anti-gravity is impossible the research will lead to other, unintended discoveries. Part of the search for anti-gravity is the search for the graviton. No one has ever seen a graviton, measured the strength of a graviton, or observed the effect of a graviton's movement. By approaching the problem from a different angle you may uncover unknown properties of physics. During their experiments they may uncover certain properties of physics that could revolutionize the world. They may have to develop equipment that is completely new. These ideas may give somebody else an idea for a practical invention that benefits all of man kind.
These same ideas can be applied to the trip to the moon. What did we directly get from going to the moon? A couple of moon rocks! Was it worth while for just a couple of moon rocks? IMHO, NO! But what we did get was numerous advances in computers and software. We got such things as Teflon and tang and many other things that I cannot think of right now.
Anyway any type of valid research is always more valuable than anyone can measure. Who knows what will come of it or who the research will inspire that will give us concrete results? The value is more than we can afford not to invest in.
The reason that the MPAA has the copy protection on the DVD is so that people cannot make a copy from a DVD to a VHS tape. Then sell the tape which would be of higher quality than a store bought tape (Just like my casset copys of my CD's, they are better quality than a store bought copy).
They are going to screem "pirate!". But arrrr me mateys we all know that this is all about power and control.
I couldn't agree with you more! The problem is... it takes a smart user to do this, or a gaming/new distro. But with the way UNIX has always been and for the fact that Linux is based in UNIX and for the fact that "If it ain't broke don't fix it", I don't see this to be a posiblility until there is a wide spread virus that does a lot of damage. Then somebody gets the great idea like you laid out and creates a new distro and possibly a few scripts to update the current distros.
Oh well, I guess it is just human nature not to do anything more than necessary until a major problem comes up then we react and implement irrational solutions.
Second of all, right now I have moderator acess and it is just getting too tempting to manipulate this descussion the way I want it to go. So I am posting to restrict myself while I have the strength to do so.
The only way I see a Linux virus spreading on a system is during the instaliation of a program...
When Linux makes it to the desktop I see a strong possibility that installation programs will run under any user acount but will require a root login for the actual install.
User bob installs a program on his desktop. It is binary only (Game or closed source office suite) so there is an installiation program. After all the options are picked it will ask for the root password to complete the installation (install the program to privelaged directories for other users to use).
This is where I see a Linux virus hiding, in the installiation program of a closed source program. At first it will probably be game installs then when the comerical market really gets involved all the other applications out there will IMHO use installers that ask for the root (UID 0) password.
I failed spelling through my entire school career.
The cost is what is going to make this impossible
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I've woked closely with 2 people who were the top dogs on the Iridium project. They were the archatects of the project from the beginning.
From the beginning it was a good project. Then managment steped in and caused huge hassels. They left for greener pastures when the environment became hostile to good work. That is when I met them. They told me that this was how it was going to end for 1 simple reason...
The satalites are in an extremely low orbit, if you can call it an orbit. They are traviling through the upper most parts in the atmosphere in a constatly decaying orbit. There is constant wobble in there flight path due to the friction of the atmosphere. The monitoring/control system used to keep the satalites communicating with the surface and them selves is one huge beast with an extremely high maintenance cost. Whatever benifits that can be gained with the satalights is offset by the monitoring/control system. It is just too expensive to keep going. It will be cheaper to ditch, err... splash the satlights than any money gained from the use of the satalites.
Beware... Anger, fear, aggression. These are the darke side of the force.
What you are talking about is user intrface and ease of use, not quality and stability of the software. It took hardware quite a while to catch up to what would make ease of use a reality for the average user. When hardware did catch up Microsoft through a monkey-wrench into it all with Windows.
The Unix-based Minicomputers that you talked about had MUCH beter stability than any WinBox. The software was of much higher quality than any software Microsoft has ever produced!
So I'll keep my sig' 'till you can provide a much more valid arguement!
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And my point is, without giving up your identity, how do you crack into the machines needed for a DDOS attack without IP spoofing? This would make it much harder for a cracker to set up a DDOS attack.
There is no need to spoof the originating IP when you are hitting it from thousands of nodes across the net (and you don't own any of them)!
But there still is a need for IP spoofing...
To crack the machines that are going to participate in a DDOS attack the cracker must spoof his IP address to avoid being cought. Stopping IP spoofing at the router level would stop crackers from getting into the machines that they need to use for a DDOS attack. This wouldn't stop them from cracking the machines but it would make it more difficult for all cracking in general.
Hate to say it, but wouldn't it be more effective to run NT? Although there are good reasons why Linux is not as scalable (lack of high-spec machines in the hands of Linux developers), which are being fixed - for now NT scales *far* better.
NT, as it's code currently stands, will never be able to be ported to the main-frame. Microsoft has tried other platforms but seems to have failed, numerous times. Linux on the ohter hand already supports more platforms than any other OS. Porting to the main-frame was just the next logical step in the evolution of Linux.
By the way for every user you would have to have a seperate instance of NT because NT is not multi-user! Taken that into account NT would take more resources than Linux!
I just checked my local listing and I'm not going to be able to see it. It appears that there are others who will not be able to see it either. I just hope /. will do a follow up so people like me can at least a taste for it.
Here is another article. I had submitted it and it got accepted but for some reason it didn't show up on the main page.
Please post a follow up on this discussion about the documentary on PBS some time after the show has aired. That way we can discuss what the show was about without this discussion getting in the way.
You must first admit that there is a problem.
This seems to show that Microsoft is beginning to admit that it is in denail about it's inferior products.
After the admission you must discover what you are in denial about.
Microsoft now must identify which products are inferior. (IMHO every single one of them except freecell)
After discovering your areas of denial you must fix them.
For Microsoft I think this is impossible. Once a project hits a certian point you must scrap it. Kinda like a nuclear explosion. Once the Plutonium or Uranium starts to FIZZ you can't stop it.
Yea the regulation lives on but...
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When I lived in Maryland I lived about a block away from an establishment that served liquor. This establisment was across the street from an elementary school. There were times that I saw someone in a drunken stupor walk infront of the playground while the children were on recess. This is totally illegal. Part of the liquor license states that you cannot sell liquor within a certian distance of an evironment for children. Last I checked a elementary school/play ground is for children. What had happened was a break down in the system which was based around greed. But it is being fought and last I checked there is a good chance that the establisment is going to be fined big time (possibly putting it out of business) and its liquor license revoked.
Another part of the liquor license is to try to maintain acountability to the sellers of liquor so they don't sell to minors.
I know this is quickly moving off topic but... I do believe that you must be 21 to be able to drink. I've personally seen the results of alcoholisim on a family. In each case, and I've seen a lot, every person who is/was an alcholic started before the age of 21. I know this is just one demographic but before they were at an age to fully realize the action that they were partakeing in they were hurting themselves, their future and their family.
I believe that the current regulations (except for taxes) on liquor, basically in the form of a liquor license, is a very good thing. But we live in a corrupt society so there are going to be down falls. But without the regulation I know of too many lives that would be ruined.
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You may well be right, but if so, that is hardly good news.
I never claimed it was good news.
Hundreds if not thousands were killed, either by government thugs (coast guard, police, FBI) or gangsters (nongovernment thugs), and hundreds if not thousands more were imprisoned, lost their homes, and so forth.
That was a different time. The media would jump over anything remotely close to the government's actions during the Prohibition. There will be isolated insidents but as the press converges on them they will subside. And you cannot say that the media is controled by the government. It is controled by money hungry mega-monopoly corporations. For them money = number of viewers. The easiest way to get a high number of viewers is to put the worst light on the government as possible.
Things may change though and very soon all our rights may be striped from us. I feel that this will not happen but objectively I cannot discount this fact. So I will continue to vote and do my best to be involved with the UCITA and DMCA.
You are correct in the fact that there have men many, err too many, failed regulations. But the point that I am trying to make is that the US is going to suffer in the form of money and right now it seems that money is the driving force of the political process, UCITA in Virginia. The loss of money due to the regulation of the Internet will force the de-regulation.
will end up like the Prohibition. The Prohibition was canceled shortly after it was enacted because it was seriously flawed. It looked good on paper but just didn't stand up to what was reality. I have a bad feeling that some BAD internet/digital/infomation laws are going to be passed by the US government. The US is going to hurt economically in a serious way once the regulation is in place. It will take a while but the regulation will be slowly lifted to allow for economic growth. Just like crypto regulation is slowly being lifted now.
I wish it wasn't so but the powers that be don't understand anything about the ramifications of regulating anything tech let alone something the US doesn't own.
I cannot believe that anywhere in America that this could happen. Not for the fact that it is stomping out rights of American citizens, but for the fact that this is going to cause fear, uncerinty and doubt FUD amongst the ones who feel they will be targeted.
Imagine a boy named Joe. He doesn't have any friends and he likes to play on the computer. He gets into programming and gaming. To all the other NORMAL kids he will be branded as different. To the NORMAL different is scarry so they will naturally use the W.A.V.E system to try to remove the scarry part of their lives.
Now Joe is going to realize that the other students are going to try to rat on him. Fear of being wrongfully turned in will will lead to more fear. Joe will withdraw more. He will also become uncertian of any thing he might try. Lending more credibility that Joe is different. Doubt of everything will casue him to withdraw from the society of school further isolating him from the rest of the students.
With all of this happening to Joe, he will possibly become depressed and quit possibly violent. The system has bread what it is designed to stop.
Considering the above example (which pretty much matches my elementary school experience, except that I was beaten rather than turned in) the system will create the subjects it needs to flourish. Considering the fact that this is a for profit making instution doesn't it just seem that they have created a self-perpetuating system to make money at the expense of children?
I said...
Serendipity. Even if anti-gravity is impossible the research will lead to other, unintended discoveries.
Notice the if. I do believe anti-gravity will be a reality someday.
It is actually a covert operation to spread the truth of bananas. Here is the true story behind the banana!
The perspective that I was trying to potray is taxes are almost always bad. To almost every tax situation there is a better answer. I am in favor of regulation in very extreme circumstances. The telephone is one of them. Instead of the Government taxing, the government should regulate by saying, "All your customers have to get the service at the same price no matter where they are." Leave it up to the tele. Co. to rase rates accordingly to make up for the cost difference. This is almost the same thing as taxation but with out the government getting its greedy hand into things. It is also more efficient because now there is no money exchanging the hands of a third party.
Also the comment that I was referring to...
6. The only other regulation we need is guaranteed low-cost access for anyone, like basic telephone service. No matter where they live in rural or remote areas. Tax the high-speed access people for this. Yeah, it's taxes. Deal with it.
Is saying that the high-speed access people should be taxed. If one internet user is taxed they all should be taxed, not just the high-bandwith ones.
I agree with you up to point 6.
6. The only other regulation we need is guaranteed low-cost access for anyone, like basic telephone service. No matter where they live in rural or remote areas. Tax the high-speed access people for this. Yeah, it's taxes. Deal with it.
Saying this is like saying, "I live in a remote part of America. There is no pizza place that will deliver to me. So tax the people that live in highly populated ares that have many pizza delivery options so I can have pizza delivery too."
I have a DSL line into my apartment. I pay more than a dialup line because I have more bandwith. I am paying more for more. I shouldn't have to pay more (for more) and more (taxes so someone remote can have it too). That is the Robin Hood mentatility. Rob from the rich to give to the poor. That is socalist to the extreme. Kinda like America's tax system.
I agree, this type of research, IMHO, is definitely not frivolous, but for another reason... Serendipity. Even if anti-gravity is impossible the research will lead to other, unintended discoveries. Part of the search for anti-gravity is the search for the graviton. No one has ever seen a graviton, measured the strength of a graviton, or observed the effect of a graviton's movement. By approaching the problem from a different angle you may uncover unknown properties of physics. During their experiments they may uncover certain properties of physics that could revolutionize the world. They may have to develop equipment that is completely new. These ideas may give somebody else an idea for a practical invention that benefits all of man kind.
These same ideas can be applied to the trip to the moon. What did we directly get from going to the moon? A couple of moon rocks! Was it worth while for just a couple of moon rocks? IMHO, NO! But what we did get was numerous advances in computers and software. We got such things as Teflon and tang and many other things that I cannot think of right now.
Anyway any type of valid research is always more valuable than anyone can measure. Who knows what will come of it or who the research will inspire that will give us concrete results? The value is more than we can afford not to invest in.
The reason that the MPAA has the copy protection on the DVD is so that people cannot make a copy from a DVD to a VHS tape. Then sell the tape which would be of higher quality than a store bought tape (Just like my casset copys of my CD's, they are better quality than a store bought copy).
They are going to screem "pirate!". But arrrr me mateys we all know that this is all about power and control.
I couldn't agree with you more! The problem is... it takes a smart user to do this, or a gaming/new distro. But with the way UNIX has always been and for the fact that Linux is based in UNIX and for the fact that "If it ain't broke don't fix it", I don't see this to be a posiblility until there is a wide spread virus that does a lot of damage. Then somebody gets the great idea like you laid out and creates a new distro and possibly a few scripts to update the current distros.
Oh well, I guess it is just human nature not to do anything more than necessary until a major problem comes up then we react and implement irrational solutions.
I digress so I'll stop now
First of all your-welcome.
Second of all, right now I have moderator acess and it is just getting too tempting to manipulate this descussion the way I want it to go. So I am posting to restrict myself while I have the strength to do so.
The only way I see a Linux virus spreading on a system is during the instaliation of a program...
When Linux makes it to the desktop I see a strong possibility that installation programs will run under any user acount but will require a root login for the actual install.
User bob installs a program on his desktop. It is binary only (Game or closed source office suite) so there is an installiation program. After all the options are picked it will ask for the root password to complete the installation (install the program to privelaged directories for other users to use).
This is where I see a Linux virus hiding, in the installiation program of a closed source program. At first it will probably be game installs then when the comerical market really gets involved all the other applications out there will IMHO use installers that ask for the root (UID 0) password.
Give me a reason with proof and I will!
I failed spelling through my entire school career.
I've woked closely with 2 people who were the top dogs on the Iridium project. They were the archatects of the project from the beginning.
From the beginning it was a good project. Then managment steped in and caused huge hassels. They left for greener pastures when the environment became hostile to good work. That is when I met them. They told me that this was how it was going to end for 1 simple reason...
The satalites are in an extremely low orbit, if you can call it an orbit. They are traviling through the upper most parts in the atmosphere in a constatly decaying orbit. There is constant wobble in there flight path due to the friction of the atmosphere. The monitoring/control system used to keep the satalites communicating with the surface and them selves is one huge beast with an extremely high maintenance cost. Whatever benifits that can be gained with the satalights is offset by the monitoring/control system. It is just too expensive to keep going. It will be cheaper to ditch, err... splash the satlights than any money gained from the use of the satalites.
Beware... Anger, fear, aggression. These are the darke side of the force.
What you are talking about is user intrface and ease of use, not quality and stability of the software. It took hardware quite a while to catch up to what would make ease of use a reality for the average user. When hardware did catch up Microsoft through a monkey-wrench into it all with Windows.
The Unix-based Minicomputers that you talked about had MUCH beter stability than any WinBox. The software was of much higher quality than any software Microsoft has ever produced!
So I'll keep my sig' 'till you can provide a much more valid arguement!