It's not really a matter of noobies vs. geeks, or intutive vs. non-intuitive, is it? It's a matter of automation.
Most modern installers automatically detect hardware settings and proceed accordingly.
Why would an ubergeek prefer to enter in chip information any more than a noobie?
And why would a super-intuitive interface (if there is such a thing), or at least a conventional one, solve the problem of the installer not figuring it all out automatically?
Finally, would an ubergeek reject Debian if it were as easy to install as Mandrake or Redhat? Is that all there is to Debian that makes it a distribution of choice for geeks?
I think the idea is that you're paid to solve problems with code, not for the code itself. The code is just a tool toward that end, not an end in itself.
What I don't see mentioned in the article or in discussions here are other national governments. Will they allow a US corporation to be at the centerpoint of all internet transactions, to have more information about their citizens than they do?
Might other governments institute some sort of tariff whereby it's more expensive to use do business the MS way as a means of fostering local industry?
Clearly, competitors in MS's chosen markets are unlikely to overcome MS anytime soon, but what about non-business aspects of all this? (Government, culture, anti-US imperialist concerns, etc.)
I've not looked at the docs, but this question is kind of applicable to all the journalled file systems and something I've been curious about:
How do you get them to work with, say, RedHat, from an installation standpoint? (I imagine it's relatively easy to convert an extra disk attached to an already installed Linux box, but what about making your whole system with the new FS?)
At no point does RedHat ask me which filesystem I'd like to install, so that option is out (except for Mandrake and Suse?).
Can you convert a drive you've already got data on? Could I simply point at my disk drive and say, "turn that into an XFS drive," edit a few boot params, and be done?
Surely, it's more complicated.
Have any of you done something similar?
Any recommendations on how to get it working with the least amount of hassle?
Had the same prob using my masq't machines to ftp to and from the net. So, I telnet to my linux machine, and:
/sbin/modprobe --list | grep ftp
which returns:
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/ipv4/ip_masq_ftp.o
Then I (as root):
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp.o
This adds the ability to do ftp from a masq't machine, or does for me. There are other protocols, such as for RealAudio. Grepping on "masq" will find 'em.
Ie:
/sbin/modprobe -l | grep masq
I'm not sure that the loaded module persists if it isn't called for a while. There are parameters governing this sort of thing. You can also add the line to your/etc/rc.local (or whatever).
Looking forward to seeing other solutions! (Far as I can tell, I'm first post.)
Anyway, gives you a place to manpage if nothing else....
I use FrontPage 98 on http://www.engl.unt.edu. At first, I did the site by hand, then I used FP's themes and navigation generators, then I went with shared borders. The site isn't exciting, but it's a snap to maintain because I can edit the left navigation pane and the top pane ONCE and all the pages are regenerated for me. I can move things around in the source directory, and FP redoes all the links. That would be a BITCH by hand, even for as few pages as I have.
In other words, FP98 (or any such tool, I imagine), enables me to have the functionality of scripts without having the scripts. Shared borders + stylesheets (such as is possible with &^%&^% Netscape) really helps me out a lot.
For fun, I'm trying to duplicate my needs with perl scripts (a dir with top.html, left.html, etc), and something that generates a navigation/site map sort of thing. Hard to do, as it looks slightly different for every page.
Then again, I think I use FP98 efficiently because I know about actual code, and learned CSS (and always revise when I find a newer, simpler way to do something).
SO, arguing about creating individual pages is not really the point, it's tools for site maintanance. Given a very small site: text editor. A medium site (like a University Department), FP98/DreamWeaver. A BIG site: scripts, database, etc.
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It's not really a matter of noobies vs. geeks, or intutive vs. non-intuitive, is it? It's a matter of automation.
Most modern installers automatically detect hardware settings and proceed accordingly.
Why would an ubergeek prefer to enter in chip information any more than a noobie?
And why would a super-intuitive interface (if there is such a thing), or at least a conventional one, solve the problem of the installer not figuring it all out automatically?
Finally, would an ubergeek reject Debian if it were as easy to install as Mandrake or Redhat? Is that all there is to Debian that makes it a distribution of choice for geeks?
I think the idea is that you're paid to solve problems with code, not for the code itself. The code is just a tool toward that end, not an end in itself.
What I don't see mentioned in the article or in discussions here are other national governments. Will they allow a US corporation to be at the centerpoint of all internet transactions, to have more information about their citizens than they do?
Might other governments institute some sort of tariff whereby it's more expensive to use do business the MS way as a means of fostering local industry?
Clearly, competitors in MS's chosen markets are unlikely to overcome MS anytime soon, but what about non-business aspects of all this? (Government, culture, anti-US imperialist concerns, etc.)
What do yout hink?
Wow! Thanks. I guess in this case, reading the docs would have told me exactly what I wanted.
I've not looked at the docs, but this question is kind of applicable to all the journalled file systems and something I've been curious about:
How do you get them to work with, say, RedHat, from an installation standpoint? (I imagine it's relatively easy to convert an extra disk attached to an already installed Linux box, but what about making your whole system with the new FS?)
At no point does RedHat ask me which filesystem I'd like to install, so that option is out (except for Mandrake and Suse?).
Can you convert a drive you've already got data on? Could I simply point at my disk drive and say, "turn that into an XFS drive," edit a few boot params, and be done?
Surely, it's more complicated.
Have any of you done something similar?
Any recommendations on how to get it working with the least amount of hassle?
Just curious.
> looks the same in everthing I try
Hm. How about mozilla 8.1 on Linux? I get all my little panels stretched across the screen instead of in three columns.
The new My Netscape looks great in IE, but it's bad wrong with Mozilla. What gives?
Will it be possible to install Corel WP Suite on another distribution? For instance, could we use it on RedHat or Suse?
Had the same prob using my masq't machines to ftp to and from the net. So, I telnet to my linux machine, and:
/sbin/modprobe --list | grep ftp
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/ipv4/ip_masq_ftp.o
/sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp.o
/sbin/modprobe -l | grep masq
/etc/rc.local (or whatever).
which returns:
Then I (as root):
This adds the ability to do ftp from a masq't machine, or does for me. There are other protocols, such as for RealAudio. Grepping on "masq" will find 'em.
Ie:
I'm not sure that the loaded module persists if it isn't called for a while. There are parameters governing this sort of thing. You can also add the line to your
Looking forward to seeing other solutions! (Far as I can tell, I'm first post.)
Anyway, gives you a place to manpage if nothing else....
-K
I use FrontPage 98 on http://www.engl.unt.edu. At first, I did the site by hand, then I used FP's themes and navigation generators, then I went with shared borders. The site isn't exciting, but it's a snap to maintain because I can edit the left navigation pane and the top pane ONCE and all the pages are regenerated for me. I can move things around in the source directory, and FP redoes all the links. That would be a BITCH by hand, even for as few pages as I have.
In other words, FP98 (or any such tool, I imagine), enables me to have the functionality of scripts without having the scripts. Shared borders + stylesheets (such as is possible with &^%&^% Netscape) really helps me out a lot.
For fun, I'm trying to duplicate my needs with perl scripts (a dir with top.html, left.html, etc), and something that generates a navigation/site map sort of thing. Hard to do, as it looks slightly different for every page.
Then again, I think I use FP98 efficiently because I know about actual code, and learned CSS (and always revise when I find a newer, simpler way to do something).
SO, arguing about creating individual pages is not really the point, it's tools for site maintanance. Given a very small site: text editor. A medium site (like a University Department), FP98/DreamWeaver. A BIG site: scripts, database, etc.
Eh?
-K
I guessed that part of the problem was that I needed to delete the old ~/.mozilla. No fix. Interesting, though, that m5 works when I run it as root.
Maybe a permission somewhere...
Wish there were a newsgroup for this...
-K ()
Okay, the bug reporting was not as much a nightmare as I had assumed....thought I had to be a developer. In fact, reporting a bug was quite nice.
Off to see if there's an imlib greater than 1.9.5-1, or if that's even the prob.
-K
I've gotten the following for M5 and the previous few nightly builds:
/usr/lib/libgdk_imblib.so.1: undefined symbol: gdk_root_parent
Gtk-WARNING **:
Now, where do I find info on that? Tried submitting bugs: was a nightmare. Are there newsgroups for more casual situations?
-K