ECMA standards are meaningless. They'll "standardise" whatever they're paid to, and the "standards" are allowed to be patent-encumbered. It's madness calling anything they touch a "standard".
You failed to answer any of the points raised by the poster you responded to. His post was well thought out, unlike your reply. How about answer the points raised than making cute quips like "The Kool-Aid is strong with this one".
There are plenty of people who ARE in the GPL camp, philosophically, so attempting to waive them off with glib comments is simply not good enough. If you can't be assed to do anything more than make glib comments, then the "BSD Troll" label is probably appropriate.
Bullshit. Sun has a lot of cash and they were making money prior to this announcement. This, only a year down the track from the change at CEO and change in direction.
Do you SERIOUSLY think that Java has survived over a decade and become the most popular development language in the world because of _hype_? Do you think that eBay and Google use Java because of hype?
This kind of brain-dead me-too critique of Java wasn't accurate five years ago and it even less accurate now. If you want hype, go see Ruby. Java is continuing on regardless because it gets the job done.
Quite. I'm a New Zealander and here the baby boomers grew up through the tail end of the welfare state - free education, free healthcare et al. After having over consumed our resources, the BBr's got into power, took away everything that was free (or affordable) and now we have people dying because they can't pay their electricity bills, young couples burdened with mortgage-like debt for wanting to be educated and a healthcare system that doesn't deal with anyone in a reasonable time frame.
I don't quibble with the reasoning that things had to change - I just wish the greedy fuckers who went before me weren't so selfish as to go on consuming like there was no tomorrow. Reminds me of Bush and his approach to global warming, as it happens.
There might be valid reasons to do that. What is required is a security heuristic for Applets, in particular, to not allow that to happen (i.e. for applets, it should enforce the applet-bar being visible)
Sun is not being "lazy" here - this exploit would have been possible for years, just no-one's thought of it until now. If Sun doesn't fix it from here, then sure, critise away.
The headline is utterly misleading. The parliament did NOT outlaw satire. Firstly, because it's not a law, it's a sessional arrangement (relating to how sessions of parliament are run) and secondly, because it ONLY relates to the usage of parliamentary footage, not satire in general.
There used to be NO footage at ALL of parliament - this is an improvement.
What's more (and what's worse) is the issue at hand is not satire of government, but the misuse of parliamentary footage to be deliberately misleading about what politicians said or did in parliament. One of the central requirements of democracy is that debates be fair and informed and allowing the media to mislead the public is quite contrary to that aim.
The politicians are not in the wrong here, its the media outlets who are more interested in selling copy than reporting the news that should be criticised.
I didn't claim that hyper-optimisation of Java was easy. I claimed that getting very near C++ speed was easy if you're a little knowledgeable. I also claimed that 75-105% of C++ was not slow.
I specifically raised the context of OGL programming where the vast majority of your bottleneck is the hardware, not the code. This is a FACT. One doesn't need to hand write JVM byte code to perform well in this context, just not doing anything stupid is good enough.
No, you don't. You need to know a few basic things, which are pretty similar to what you'd need to do under C or C++. I think the bigger issue is that Java has a much lower barrier to entry than C++ does so you get more Java programs written my amateurish programmers than you would in C++. The complexity of C++, such that it is, acts as a barrier for selecting against poor programmers.
I have actually developed in C,C++,Java (and others). Including high performance OpenGL code in all of those platforms. My OGL projects run within a few percentage of each other regardless of platform, and straight Java number crunching programs are more in the 85-95% of C++ range, in general.
I don't mean to burst your bigotry, but I have years of experience of making code go fast, and I have actual code and actual numbers to make this claim on.
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ECMA standards are meaningless. They'll "standardise" whatever they're paid to, and the "standards" are allowed to be patent-encumbered. It's madness calling anything they touch a "standard".
You don't understand the concept of a patent trap?
Is Bill Gates giving de Icaza free blow-jobs, or what?
Miguel's love of all things Microsoft has really veered into seriously freaky territory.
Bullshit. The editors still pick what they want.
A Democracy is what Slashdot *should* be.
You can have a military to do all those things (as most nations do) without having to spend trillions invading other people.
A military that does defense and aid does not require the expense that your military consumes.
What??? This is Slashdot! Mindless anti-Sun FUD please, don't be going around inserting any of those "facts" into the lynch session!
Rubbish. There are features of the building blocks for life which are self attracting and self organising. Life is inevitable.
You failed to answer any of the points raised by the poster you responded to. His post was well thought out, unlike your reply. How about answer the points raised than making cute quips like "The Kool-Aid is strong with this one".
There are plenty of people who ARE in the GPL camp, philosophically, so attempting to waive them off with glib comments is simply not good enough. If you can't be assed to do anything more than make glib comments, then the "BSD Troll" label is probably appropriate.
Hardly. BluRay movies are outselling HD-DVD by a large margin. This smells more of back-handers than the market at work.
"Sun might be going out of business right now" is pure FUD
If you spread FUD, you get what you deserve.
Bullshit. Sun has a lot of cash and they were making money prior to this announcement. This, only a year down the track from the change at CEO and change in direction.
"Graphic library loading"????
Do you have two whole brain cells to rub together?
I can tell you that OpenGL and hardware accelerated 2d graphics work quite happily within Java.
Yeah, being the most popular development language in the world is a shit of a position to be in. How will they ever cope?
You are a moron. Java is not slow.
Do you SERIOUSLY think that Java has survived over a decade and become the most popular development language in the world because of _hype_? Do you think that eBay and Google use Java because of hype?
This kind of brain-dead me-too critique of Java wasn't accurate five years ago and it even less accurate now. If you want hype, go see Ruby. Java is continuing on regardless because it gets the job done.
...just like most of the morons on /. who claim that Java is crap yet have no idea how it is actually used.
Quite. I'm a New Zealander and here the baby boomers grew up through the tail end of the welfare state - free education, free healthcare et al. After having over consumed our resources, the BBr's got into power, took away everything that was free (or affordable) and now we have people dying because they can't pay their electricity bills, young couples burdened with mortgage-like debt for wanting to be educated and a healthcare system that doesn't deal with anyone in a reasonable time frame.
I don't quibble with the reasoning that things had to change - I just wish the greedy fuckers who went before me weren't so selfish as to go on consuming like there was no tomorrow. Reminds me of Bush and his approach to global warming, as it happens.
Absolutely! This story is an utter non sequitur. How the hell did this get posted to the front page???
There might be valid reasons to do that. What is required is a security heuristic for Applets, in particular, to not allow that to happen (i.e. for applets, it should enforce the applet-bar being visible)
Sun is not being "lazy" here - this exploit would have been possible for years, just no-one's thought of it until now. If Sun doesn't fix it from here, then sure, critise away.
The headline is utterly misleading. The parliament did NOT outlaw satire. Firstly, because it's not a law, it's a sessional arrangement (relating to how sessions of parliament are run) and secondly, because it ONLY relates to the usage of parliamentary footage, not satire in general.
There used to be NO footage at ALL of parliament - this is an improvement.
What's more (and what's worse) is the issue at hand is not satire of government, but the misuse of parliamentary footage to be deliberately misleading about what politicians said or did in parliament. One of the central requirements of democracy is that debates be fair and informed and allowing the media to mislead the public is quite contrary to that aim.
The politicians are not in the wrong here, its the media outlets who are more interested in selling copy than reporting the news that should be criticised.
You're wrong, but feel free to believe whatever keeps your bigotry warm at night.
I didn't claim that hyper-optimisation of Java was easy. I claimed that getting very near C++ speed was easy if you're a little knowledgeable. I also claimed that 75-105% of C++ was not slow.
I specifically raised the context of OGL programming where the vast majority of your bottleneck is the hardware, not the code. This is a FACT. One doesn't need to hand write JVM byte code to perform well in this context, just not doing anything stupid is good enough.
No, you don't. You need to know a few basic things, which are pretty similar to what you'd need to do under C or C++. I think the bigger issue is that Java has a much lower barrier to entry than C++ does so you get more Java programs written my amateurish programmers than you would in C++. The complexity of C++, such that it is, acts as a barrier for selecting against poor programmers.
bad programmers make bad programs in any language
What part of that do you consider "in denial"?
I have actually developed in C,C++,Java (and others). Including high performance OpenGL code in all of those platforms. My OGL projects run within a few percentage of each other regardless of platform, and straight Java number crunching programs are more in the 85-95% of C++ range, in general.
I don't mean to burst your bigotry, but I have years of experience of making code go fast, and I have actual code and actual numbers to make this claim on.
Java is not slow. 75-105% of c++ performance is not slow.