Re:Those stats don't really mean much though
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I'm quite sure I never claimed that non Americans should be able to vote in the US elections.
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The simple fact that from the viewpoint of a New Zealander, who the British elect to PM is of little relevance to our lives (despite the fact that we are still part of the Commonwealth and technically Elizbeth is still our Queen) Whereas, the president of the USA has a much greater ability to cause NZ soldiers to die.
In that regard, the world has much more interest in whom the US elects as it's president. I'm not saying that the US should feel sorry that it has such an effect on the rest of the world - just understand that it does, and for that reason the rest of the world does have a legitimate interest in the outcome of your elections.
Re:Rest of the world doesn't have free press
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What a pile of utter crap. The US media is utterly biased. Having seen what the media is like in several countries (UK, Australia, New Zealand, Papua New guinea, Argentina and Chile) I'd have to conclude that the US media is the least interested in world affairs and most likely to chant the party line.
The fact that you can blindly assert the superiority of your media would be funny if the ramifications weren't so serious.
Re:Is this a surprise?
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Actually... quite the opposite is true. In NZ most people oppose Bush, yet its well known that the Republican party is more likely to agree to a free trade deal than the Democrats.
*Despite* the Democrats being worse for NZ's financial well being, the vast majority of NZr's want to see Bush out.
Re:Those stats don't really mean much though
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Those results mean a hell of a lot. It lets you know how pissed off the rest of the world is with what GW has done for world "security"
Like it or not (we dont) US presidents have a large baring on world affairs, and despite the fact that the rest of us poor buggers don't get to vote in the US elections, we suffer the outcomes none the less.
No, users shouldn't care at all. But I can tell that there has been huge developer resistence to the idea that Java can do games at all.
That's relevant because games need good quality game libraries and noone will write them for a target they think can't cope with the task.
Re:Microsoft. Software patents. Mono
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C# is ECMA standard - really, you don't need a C# book, just download the damned standard - it's not that hard of a read for anyone who's a seasoned programmer.
How long are you meatheads going to keep parroting this misunderstanding?? YES C# is an ECMA standard. BUT there is NOTHING stopping ECMA standards from being patent-encumbered. IOW: you are still likely to be hit with patents for implmenenting an ECMA "standard".
Please will you people grasp this before you do serious harm to the Linux community!
I think that shows what/. shows - the Linux community is hostile to Java. The claim was that there was no free software in java - that has been utterly refuted.
The fact that linux distributions don't use much Java is a reflection on Linux distributions, not Java or Java developers.
I've been coding in C# for about 6 months and I can assure you it's not a patch on Java for ease of development. There are a lot of issues, but the biggest is the APIs. Java's best feature is that a hell of a lot of work has been done in creating broad, powerful, well tested and portable APIs..NET is a shadow by comparison.
I've been programming for 20 years and I can tell you (because I have benchmarked it) that in some cases Java with hotspot running can get faster than compiled C code. Your assumption that if someone says something positive about Java they must be "just out of university" shows a hell of a lot about your languages biases.
That such obvious FUD (other posters have proved the issue with statistics from freshmeat and sourceforge) can be modded as "Insightful" is an utter indictment on the general/. attitude towards Java. This indicates an unreasonable hatred of Java to the point of telling out and out lies about the language.
I've been a/. member for quite a long time, and I used to think it was quite cool, but now it's just a home for bigots (whether language or OS bigots, I don't care)
The reality is that most good programmers like several different programming languges. Certainly the more ways of doing things that you're exposed to the better. The author could have ignored Python and avoided talking crap about Java and simply said that programmers that know several languages are better than those that know just one.
What if all that windows code can run on linux to, without problems, seemlessly. Mono is the key.
All of that entirely relies on M$ allowing that to happen. Compatibility will only occur if Mono can do Windows Forms and all the other APIs that M$ creates. Do you think M$ will allow Linux to implement all of those? When Balmer said "that's what patents are for" regarding Mono, what do you think he was getting at?
Apple has a proprietary hardware monopoly for their OS and it seems to be popular. Just because you have relgious objections to proprietary hardware doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same way.
It's not just you. I've been a long term/. reader and long term Linux fan. The slashbot hatred of Sun and Java is well beyond unreasonable. Hating Microsoft I can understand, but hating a company that likes Unix, supports open source and has pledged to work towards Open Sourcing solaris and Java is just fucking bizarre.
"was" too slow? I groan whenever I end up at a site with.jsp pages because their server is always bogged down. Every single time. One of my credit card companies went to a java-based portal (server side) and it's been impossible to get to ever since.
I'm doing video analysis and openGL graphics in Java - both operate as fast as I could expect them to (and the openGL is a C++ port which ran at the same speed so I know it compares)
I'm sorry you've found some jsp web sites that run slowly but in no way does that show that Java is running slowly (maybe it's bandwith, maybe its a slow server)
For my jobs - both heavy duty media jobs - Java works fine. If you want to see a good modern Java aplication, look at Eclipse and see just how much it smokes Visual Studio.
I'm a painter as well and I love oil paints. I think your idealised Engineer is just that - an ideal. In practice, I don't think people who make software are like engineers, or like scientists, I think many software creators are like painters. And like painters, I think software creators have affection for their tools.
Show me someone who has just created their first language with flex and bison and doesn't get a bit of a buzz out of it. Show me someone that has architected something beautiful but cannot see the beauty in it.
No, I think you have an unrealistic view about software. And if I'm no longer an 'engineer' I'm not sure that's something I really care about, never having claimed to be building bridges in the first place.
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I'm quite sure I never claimed that non Americans should be able to vote in the US elections.
The simple fact that from the viewpoint of a New Zealander, who the British elect to PM is of little relevance to our lives (despite the fact that we are still part of the Commonwealth and technically Elizbeth is still our Queen) Whereas, the president of the USA has a much greater ability to cause NZ soldiers to die.
In that regard, the world has much more interest in whom the US elects as it's president. I'm not saying that the US should feel sorry that it has such an effect on the rest of the world - just understand that it does, and for that reason the rest of the world does have a legitimate interest in the outcome of your elections.
What a pile of utter crap. The US media is utterly biased. Having seen what the media is like in several countries (UK, Australia, New Zealand, Papua New guinea, Argentina and Chile) I'd have to conclude that the US media is the least interested in world affairs and most likely to chant the party line.
The fact that you can blindly assert the superiority of your media would be funny if the ramifications weren't so serious.
Actually... quite the opposite is true. In NZ most people oppose Bush, yet its well known that the Republican party is more likely to agree to a free trade deal than the Democrats.
*Despite* the Democrats being worse for NZ's financial well being, the vast majority of NZr's want to see Bush out.
Those results mean a hell of a lot. It lets you know how pissed off the rest of the world is with what GW has done for world "security"
Like it or not (we dont) US presidents have a large baring on world affairs, and despite the fact that the rest of us poor buggers don't get to vote in the US elections, we suffer the outcomes none the less.
Um... you do realise IBM and Sun are competitors, don't you?
Do you expect press releases from Intel claiming that the new Opterons are "really bitchin"?
Grow up.
Yeah... it's just another evil selfish closed source trap from Sun... like Open Office.
Who can trust the bastards, eh?
No, users shouldn't care at all. But I can tell that there has been huge developer resistence to the idea that Java can do games at all.
That's relevant because games need good quality game libraries and noone will write them for a target they think can't cope with the task.
How long are you meatheads going to keep parroting this misunderstanding?? YES C# is an ECMA standard. BUT there is NOTHING stopping ECMA standards from being patent-encumbered. IOW: you are still likely to be hit with patents for implmenenting an ECMA "standard".
Please will you people grasp this before you do serious harm to the Linux community!
"I mean, a royalty-bearing, pseudo-open universal 3D format from Intel and Microsoft? Sorry, guys. That trick doesn't work anymore ;)"
.NET?
Wait - you guys can see this is a scam when it's ECMA accreditation of U3D, but can't see it's a scam with ECMA accreditation of
I think that shows what /. shows - the Linux community is hostile to Java. The claim was that there was no free software in java - that has been utterly refuted.
The fact that linux distributions don't use much Java is a reflection on Linux distributions, not Java or Java developers.
I've developed Java programs on Linux for use on windows and solaris platforms for years and *never* had a problem with running cross platform.
I've been coding in C# for about 6 months and I can assure you it's not a patch on Java for ease of development. There are a lot of issues, but the biggest is the APIs. Java's best feature is that a hell of a lot of work has been done in creating broad, powerful, well tested and portable APIs. .NET is a shadow by comparison.
I've been programming for 20 years and I can tell you (because I have benchmarked it) that in some cases Java with hotspot running can get faster than compiled C code. Your assumption that if someone says something positive about Java they must be "just out of university" shows a hell of a lot about your languages biases.
That such obvious FUD (other posters have proved the issue with statistics from freshmeat and sourceforge) can be modded as "Insightful" is an utter indictment on the general /. attitude towards Java. This indicates an unreasonable hatred of Java to the point of telling out and out lies about the language.
/. member for quite a long time, and I used to think it was quite cool, but now it's just a home for bigots (whether language or OS bigots, I don't care)
I've been a
ANTLR is not bad: http://www.antlr.org/
The reality is that most good programmers like several different programming languges. Certainly the more ways of doing things that you're exposed to the better. The author could have ignored Python and avoided talking crap about Java and simply said that programmers that know several languages are better than those that know just one.
All of that entirely relies on M$ allowing that to happen. Compatibility will only occur if Mono can do Windows Forms and all the other APIs that M$ creates. Do you think M$ will allow Linux to implement all of those? When Balmer said "that's what patents are for" regarding Mono, what do you think he was getting at?
Wake up!
Yes, but Java works on all those desktops out there that M$ dominates (and others besides) so there's no loss in not going M$'s direction with .NET.
.NET is to hide out in the wilderness - Java is everywhere.
It's hardly like the alternative to
Apple has a proprietary hardware monopoly for their OS and it seems to be popular. Just because you have relgious objections to proprietary hardware doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same way.
It's not just you. I've been a long term /. reader and long term Linux fan. The slashbot hatred of Sun and Java is well beyond unreasonable. Hating Microsoft I can understand, but hating a company that likes Unix, supports open source and has pledged to work towards Open Sourcing solaris and Java is just fucking bizarre.
Jesus! Talk about FUD!
What a pack of unsubstantiated illogical fear mongering.
I'm doing video analysis and openGL graphics in Java - both operate as fast as I could expect them to (and the openGL is a C++ port which ran at the same speed so I know it compares)
I'm sorry you've found some jsp web sites that run slowly but in no way does that show that Java is running slowly (maybe it's bandwith, maybe its a slow server)
For my jobs - both heavy duty media jobs - Java works fine. If you want to see a good modern Java aplication, look at Eclipse and see just how much it smokes Visual Studio.
I'm a painter as well and I love oil paints. I think your idealised Engineer is just that - an ideal. In practice, I don't think people who make software are like engineers, or like scientists, I think many software creators are like painters. And like painters, I think software creators have affection for their tools.
Show me someone who has just created their first language with flex and bison and doesn't get a bit of a buzz out of it. Show me someone that has architected something beautiful but cannot see the beauty in it.
No, I think you have an unrealistic view about software. And if I'm no longer an 'engineer' I'm not sure that's something I really care about, never having claimed to be building bridges in the first place.
As it happens, I *do* use vi and emacs, and like them both (and Eclipse too)