there is certain bandwidth point where exported displays (citrix, x, rdp) become a good-enough solution. while this is near-impossible with a dial-up, its a reality with any type of broadband over 768k, so there is a huge difference between dialup and broadband.
however, there is one number that will change this discssion, that is 4GBPS, or the average speed between your video card and your monitor.
which... isnt really that bad of a business model...
if you substitute a full ASP instead of AOL, and you just sell a thin-client-ish device, you stumble on a model extremely close to the cell-phone/cellular model.
hell, i'd do it.
the real question is - who has a pervasive enough netowrk to successfully implement the last mile solution. i keep looking at BPL, but the tech just aint there yet.
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i can run firefox successfully with 32MB flash, and 64MB Ram. This includes baseOS, X, ICA Client, Terminal Client, RDP, and network and printing funcitonality.
it runs slow as molasses on a Geode, and firefox is exceedingly slow to start up on the Geode, but runs "ok" once its up and running. If you give me an 800MHZ VIA, things work much more gooder.
OpenOffice? its a bloated piece of crap. work needs to be done on that front. I dont think that i can get it going in less than 256MB.
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yeh... i saw that...
i'm _certain_ that the production price on that is about $70 for the hardware. plus another 50-or-so for the msft tax. still leaves a nice heatlhy 35% gross margin.
via is really giving the geode line a run for its money though, and i think that theyve got the better SoC tech right now.
although, i think that amd's manufacturing advantage could crush via.
the real shame here is transmeta - they would a perfect fit for this type of a device, but they're: 1) too expensive. 2) financially insolvent.
and as for the pricepoint for the linux... its actually amazing - sometimes, the linux devices are more expensive, for identical hardware, and have a higher GPM.
really though, these low-end devices are more than enough for 90% of the computing publics needs.
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it can be done.
the problem, is you're talking about a 300MHZ Geode, and a 8GB HD, with 64MB RAM, and an integrated video/sound/ethernet.
but, it can be done, and it can be done "profitably"
most of the "real" engineers that i know can still do the "real world" tasks that they need to. you absolutely, positively need to know how to fix every single widget in whatever the overall project is, before you can design the project.
this is why "real" engineering schools are much more rigorous than a CS program, or a SE program.
plus, they have actual certifications and accepted trainign programs that engineers need to go through before they can get that magic "PE" at the end of their name.
oh, so i guess that the point of the entire documentary will be to highlight how john kerry had a MAJOR HAND in stopping the vietnam war.
of course, it wont take testimony out of context, and try to paint kerry as anti-american, instead of the war hero who came home and STOPPED the same unpopular, insane war.
what exactly were you doing at age 27? did you manage to stop a war?
so, since your spouting crap, you've got the econ degree?
screw you buddy - this administration has had 4 years to fix whatever the problem was - and since they couldnt do that in 4 years, we should give them another chance?
it depends... maybe she knows exactly what she's doing - running a company into the ground for short term gain (sic), and her own personal enrichment....
as i said - i agree - she shouldnt be there. she doesnt know how to run an engineering organization.
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look mate - any group headed by John O'Neill, is automatically a right-wing-hatchet job.
This is a gentleman who appears in the Watergate tapes, with Nixon, and was created specifically to counter Kerry. What a sad life John O'Neill has.
i was using the proprietary NSC geode drivers - i had src to them... but, still proprietary :-(
and yes - the open source cyrix/geode drivers are a sad, cruel joke.
i'll disagree.
there is certain bandwidth point where exported displays (citrix, x, rdp) become a good-enough solution. while this is near-impossible with a dial-up, its a reality with any type of broadband over 768k, so there is a huge difference between dialup and broadband.
however, there is one number that will change this discssion, that is 4GBPS, or the average speed between your video card and your monitor.
once we hit that, all bets are off.
well... there were 2 problems with that: /dial up/ service, and not some type of broadband.
1) CA law allowed nullification of the contract
2) it was
i'm telling ya - 32MB flash, and 64MB SDRAM, and i can get x, ica, rdesktop, firefox, and a term emulator.
:-)
not to pick on you or anything
which... isnt really that bad of a business model...
if you substitute a full ASP instead of AOL, and you just sell a thin-client-ish device, you stumble on a model extremely close to the cell-phone/cellular model.
hell, i'd do it.
the real question is - who has a pervasive enough netowrk to successfully implement the last mile solution. i keep looking at BPL, but the tech just aint there yet.
i can run firefox successfully with 32MB flash, and 64MB Ram. This includes baseOS, X, ICA Client, Terminal Client, RDP, and network and printing funcitonality.
it runs slow as molasses on a Geode, and firefox is exceedingly slow to start up on the Geode, but runs "ok" once its up and running. If you give me an 800MHZ VIA, things work much more gooder.
OpenOffice? its a bloated piece of crap. work needs to be done on that front. I dont think that i can get it going in less than 256MB.
yeh... i saw that...
i'm _certain_ that the production price on that is about $70 for the hardware. plus another 50-or-so for the msft tax. still leaves a nice heatlhy 35% gross margin.
via is really giving the geode line a run for its money though, and i think that theyve got the better SoC tech right now.
although, i think that amd's manufacturing advantage could crush via.
the real shame here is transmeta - they would a perfect fit for this type of a device, but they're:
1) too expensive.
2) financially insolvent.
and as for the pricepoint for the linux... its actually amazing - sometimes, the linux devices are more expensive, for identical hardware, and have a higher GPM.
really though, these low-end devices are more than enough for 90% of the computing publics needs.
it can be done.
the problem, is you're talking about a 300MHZ Geode, and a 8GB HD, with 64MB RAM, and an integrated video/sound/ethernet.
but, it can be done, and it can be done "profitably"
>Well, how about the American Civil War?
err... i'm pretty sure that we had democratic elections before, during and after the civil war...
except that germany had a democracy until hitler disbanded it, and was split with fascist rule until reunification.
and japan - they still are occupied by us. that doesnt really count, when you cant have a standing army, and your occupiers still have troops there.
i believe that you're full of shit.
freedom does not get imposed from the point of a gun, from an occupying army.
actually, i try to never use i,j, or k as they are too common, and screws up searching.
try ii, jj or kk , and suddenly you can search and find your iterators very quickly.
most of the "real" engineers that i know can still do the "real world" tasks that they need to. you absolutely, positively need to know how to fix every single widget in whatever the overall project is, before you can design the project.
this is why "real" engineering schools are much more rigorous than a CS program, or a SE program.
plus, they have actual certifications and accepted trainign programs that engineers need to go through before they can get that magic "PE" at the end of their name.
bullshit.
they do not own the airways - they have a licence that we the people granted them, and have regulated tighlty.
oh, so i guess that the point of the entire documentary will be to highlight how john kerry had a MAJOR HAND in stopping the vietnam war.
of course, it wont take testimony out of context, and try to paint kerry as anti-american, instead of the war hero who came home and STOPPED the same unpopular, insane war.
what exactly were you doing at age 27? did you manage to stop a war?
> one tiny media group
yeh - tiny - they only reach 25% of the entire US Population.
really small.
> debunked with the Laffer Curve.
laffer debunked the laffer curve.
nevermind that netscape 4.7x was the least standards compliant browser of the time.
what you call "rabid anti-bushism", i call "dealing with reality".
so, since your spouting crap, you've got the econ degree?
screw you buddy - this administration has had 4 years to fix whatever the problem was - and since they couldnt do that in 4 years, we should give them another chance?
no way.
wow - none of what you said has any basis in reality.
yes, "the matrix" comes to mind here... the original screamed for a sequel, begged for it, promised it...
and then the sequels sucked ass.
it depends ... maybe she knows exactly what she's doing - running a company into the ground for short term gain (sic), and her own personal enrichment....
as i said - i agree - she shouldnt be there. she doesnt know how to run an engineering organization.
of course engineering organizations need marketting - thats not what i said.
i said that engineering organizations should be run by an engineer. marketing is a subsidiary function.