You can bet that somebody is going to figure out how to open it and extract the images without destroying the camera, and then Ritz camera is going to have a loss leader on their hands.
Or they could just buy $50 digitals with LCDs and a better lens. I'm guessing that's part of what the camera goes back for - lens replacement and power.
It's going to be just like the cuecat. Many, many geeks are going to acquire them, and not recycle them in the way that allows Ritz to make it's money back...
Quiz: how many normal (non geeks) use cameras? How many use laser scanners?
It turns out there are more people (by a bit) that use cameras than laser scanners. Normal people would actually use this kind of thing. As opposed to cuecat - who would DO that?
Quiz #2: how many geeks will want an $11 digital camera without an LCD when you could just buy a $50 camera with an LCD? Yeah, a few, just to brag they're "sticking it to the man." But most are gonna spend $150+ on a decent camera - or at least $50 on one with an LCD.
Let me help translate from kwerle to common - it can be tricky.
Keep up with the times.
There's no reason to write another lightweight language (the topic at hand) - we have C for that. If you're going to roll another language, it should probably be feature-rich and have good libraries.
I took the 1.44M boot floppy to be kind of an analogy, so I latched on to it. Just as any new language should be feature rich, any new OS should also be feature rich. Unless you're writing an OS for a lightswitch, you should probably enjoy the features of today's hardware - to wit, lots of space and processor speed.
The same is true of languages.
If you're writing an OS for a lightswich, use C. It's low on features and lightweight.
Sign up another disagree. I don't want to have to write a stack, queue, or quicksort - I did that in college. I don't want to write another http socket client, I did that at the end of last decade.
Moving libraries into the language is like moving web servers, web browsers, office suites and solitaire games into the kernel. Some people will think it's cool, but others will wonder why they can no longer fit a bootdisk onto a 1.44Mb floppy.
People who want 1.44Mb boot floppies should: 1. Buy a real computer - one without a damn floppy. 2. Invest in some kind of IO that supports CD booting. 3. Write their damn kernel in C - that's all the language is good for (IMO)
There's just 2 things that most users will want - the same 2 that made the internet what it is today: Email WWW
Email do's and don'ts would be good - including handling of spam and crap (the junk your father-in-law sends you that is either urban legend, or ancient, or both).
Web browsing, security (don't tell folks your passwords), and virii are all important things to know about.
Yeah, but having a "No solictors" sign on your door doesn't give you the right to sue solicitors who ignore it for $500. In fact, it gives you no rights at all. It just lets solicitors know they'll be bothering people who aren't interested. Chances are the smart ones won't waste their time.
I guess it depends where you live: http://www.town.west-newbury.ma.us/Public_D ocument s/WestNewburyMA_Bylaws/chapter18
We've got one of those on our door. We still get people coming in off the street
Dunno where you live, or what the law is there, nor am I a lawyer. I'm betting you're not a lawyer either - are you sure it's not illegal? Are you sure you don't have a right to have them prosecuted?
are you going to claim that the telemarketers are trespassing by calling your "house" w/o an invitation? i can walk up and knock on your door and until you tell me to leave, it's not tresspassing. you can already, under previous laws, tell a telemarketer to add you to their DNC list and they must.
Ever see a building with a "No Solicitors" sign on the front door? Notice how those are legal. There is a legal difference between knocking on your neighbors door to ask for a cup of sugar, and wandering neighborhoods trying to sell sugar "door to door."
this is effectively putting up lots of NO TRESSPASSING signs all around your property.
No, it's like having a single "No Solicitor" sign on your phone. Seems totally reasonable to me.
So, the bottom line is that the topic is bogus, right?
"US Shrugs Off World's IP Address Shortage", but the rest of the world is shrugging of the US - and rightly so.
So who cares? Eventually it will become a hassle for US users to hit enough websites that PacBell (my isp:-/ will offer IPv6. In the meantime, I think I'll check out some 6bone connectivity.
Anyway, virtually "the rest of the world" has had better mobile phone service than the US (for those who installed networks) - that doesn't seem to have caused any kind of problem for them. Just as the US is now (slowly) catching up, I expect the same thing to happen with IPv6...
It's not a PC, it's a game console, they just share a lot of tech.
It turns out that modern game consoles are Personal Computers. Just as modern handhelds are portable computers. At the very least, they are certainly all turing complete. Hell, how do you call any device that runs linux "not a computer?" And if it's a computer but not a mainframe, what does that make it?
Whatever.
If you'd been watching more closely, you'd notice it's curious how little MSFT gives a shit about Xbox mods. The more units they sell the more ammo they have to fight for developers.
They aren't nearly as rabid as Sony or Nintendo when it comes to hunting down people selling modchips/piracy devices.
As you practically say, they almost certainly would be if the xbox was as successful as they'd hope'd it'd be. What's more, Sony seems to have blessed linux on the PlayStation2.
Finally, none of this takes away from the fact that M$ has tried to ship a fully DRM-confined computer.
We haven't seen them yet, but I bet pretty soon we'll see PC's for sale that can only run Windows (this will be enforced by hardware) - don't know how that will affect the music business, but I am sure this is a card that Microsoft is waiting to play at the right time to make even more money.
Wakey, wakey.
They're called XBoxes, and "only" run a modified windows.
Now they run linux (and various other stuff) as well, though M$ wishes they didn't.
Whether or not the Linux crowd believes these allegations, someone within the community needs to take some serious time and legal effort to address these concerns.
Nobody (real world CTO's) gives a crap what "people within the community" say about these allegations.
Ignoring or laughing at them won't make it go away, and I can easily imagine every corporate lawyer type calling up the CIO/CTO and saying "halt all linux deployments NOW!"
Because IBM and Oracle are sending out mixed signals about linux?
As a BSD-ite I can sympathize and say that the sooner you get this over with the better.
Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite are some of the real highlights. They're not geek spots, but DAMN, they're gorgeous.
See also http://www.nps.gov/. Looks like they have a good interactive map at http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parksearch/state/usamap.c fm so you can hit the ones you'll be near.
You think? Urban India speaks good English. Let me say very good English. A lot of time far better than the NY yuppies.
There's speaking proper English, and then there's being understood. I can be understood by virtually any English speaker because I speak US movie & television California English. I have no accent according to most of the media produced and distributed in the English language.
Having worked with Indian and Pakastani folks, it CAN be rough understanding them - no matter how good their English is.
I have heard (Nth-person hearsay, granted) that one of the problems with offshore coders is understanding them. Not because of poor English - just because of the accent.
Two options we use are JFreeChart (http://www.jfree.org/jfreechart/index.html), which is totally serverside generated. Not sure what you mean when you say you need interactive charting - we let the user spec some params and toss them a graph.
On the other side of the spectrum we also use SpotFire (http://www.spotfire.com/) which is not at all free, but which is REALLY powerful. Scientists and statisticians seem to love it...
It's just going to be a pain in the ass to get every one switched over, though.
Most of "everyone" are windows users. What is the state of their IPv6? If it works, then most of the work is mostly done...
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Right, but AFAIK VNC on OSX is like VNC on Windows. It stupidly polls the screen over and over again checking for changes. Very slow, and painful to use over dialup.
Depending on your server, but I'm pretty sure that OSXvnc does not poll the screen. It just sends updates. I use it over DSL, and it's not a joy to use, but it is very usable.
This is simply untrue. The problem was not that the government had sole access to information, it was that the government had access to that information and had the power to act upon it. Did it matter that both the government and your neighbor knew you had committed ThoughtCrime?...
I think we disagree on a fundamental level about what conditions laws are enforced, and how often they're broken but not enforced. I think this problem has contributed to the number of unreasonable laws that are 'optionally enforced'. What's more, there is a big difference between your neighbor narcing on your thoughtcrime (did you really commit it?), the government revealing they have evidence of your thought crime (do they really), and the entire society having equal access to the evidence of it, as well as evidence to their own, their neighbors, and the govenerment's thoughtcrimes - at which point it makes a lot less sense to punish you for yours.
And don't forget that the data can be doctored just as surely as a news reel about that data can be doctored.
It is [currently] hard to doctor realtime video and sound - especially when you don't know what is going to happen ahead of time.
Now that we're talking about reality, you're even more wrong. There certainly are people who care how many condoms you buy. And they care about who you use those condoms with, and exactly what you do with them. How do you reconcile your transparent society with our society that until recently had places where it was illegal for a couple to have anal sex in the privacy of their own home? Take away the privacy that makes finding these heinous deviants difficult, and you make matters worse, not better.
The fact is that these heinous deviants are neither heinous nor very deviant. Facts that have only recently "come to light" as more of these folk have "come out of the closet." I think this case is in my favor, as a more transparent society has shown these laws to be rediculous pretenses for random prejudice.
I have yet to hear of a forensic technique that can overcome the effects of a shredder followed by an incinerator. But if the government has to sift through the trash of 200 million Americans in order to find out who is buying excessive amounts of condoms, I can live with that.
And that is also my point - if you think sifting through garbage is a chore, try sifting through video...
Give complete access to everyone's lives, and you've turned "ThoughtCrime" legislation like the sodomy laws go from being statements of moral distaste to a practical enforcement scenario.
No, I think we've turned it into a pretty clearly unsound cause for prejudice - and thus discard the law.
You have not considered reality and how a transparent society would work in the real world, where live-and-let-live idealized libertarians are a tiny portion of the population, and certainly not represented in government.
And here I always though libertarians were live-and-let-die, but that's another discussion.
Transparent society could only lead to greater freedom in a perfectly tolerant utopia. It cannot bring said utopia about, and in the absence absence of utopia aids totalitarianism.
See; we do disagree. I think that a more transparent society has brought about the downfall of sodomy laws.
But public should remain public, and private private. Eliminate the difference, and you have 1984.
I disagree. If the general public had access to the same data as the government did, I don't think 1984 could have existed.
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Try running three different programs on three different machines and displaying them together on one screen with VNC.
I've done that. But it was mostly for gag value.
vnc from mymachine to R1 vnc from R1 to R2 vnc from R2 to R3
You now have R1, R2, and R3 in one screen. Not exactly what you wanted, but then I really don't care to run 3 apps from 3 machines on 1 screen. Sorry that you do.
There has been a lot of talk about doing 'rootless' vnc servers and clients. Haven't seen it done, yet...
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But VNC's major failing is that it isn't multi-user, and out-of-the-box security sucks.
Agreed. Easy to fix (secure connection), but they have yet to do it. It is as multi-user as the Windowing system involved, which is to say it's fine for X11, but not for Win or OSX.
It's in reality no better than PcAnywhere, and indeed, it is often outclassed by said product.
Except that it runs EVERYWHERE.
Not that I don't use VNC, I use it everywhere, but I prefer to use Microsoft Terminal Services or remote X displays wherever possible instead of VNC.
Fair enough.
Killing off X11 is going to put a dent in the big reason why Administrators love Unix: remote everything.
A dent, yes. A big dent... Dunno. I can still ssh anywhere I want, right? I can still edit files and do admin-y things. The ugly truth is that MOST users don't care about remote display. Yeah, you and I do, but we're not the majority. The other truth is that just about any windowing system could do remote displays - they just don't bother.
I'm tired of seeing stories about x-companies that have been reduced to lawyer squads trying to suck blood. Frankly, I don't think they're interesting or newsworthy.
Could we have a new category: "Bloodsuckers"? Maybe with a leech icon?
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You can bet that somebody is going to figure out how to open it and extract the images without destroying the camera, and then Ritz camera is going to have a loss leader on their hands.
Or they could just buy $50 digitals with LCDs and a better lens. I'm guessing that's part of what the camera goes back for - lens replacement and power.
It's going to be just like the cuecat. Many, many geeks are going to acquire them, and not recycle them in the way that allows Ritz to make it's money back...
Quiz: how many normal (non geeks) use cameras? How many use laser scanners?
It turns out there are more people (by a bit) that use cameras than laser scanners. Normal people would actually use this kind of thing. As opposed to cuecat - who would DO that?
Quiz #2: how many geeks will want an $11 digital camera without an LCD when you could just buy a $50 camera with an LCD? Yeah, a few, just to brag they're "sticking it to the man." But most are gonna spend $150+ on a decent camera - or at least $50 on one with an LCD.
This is not cuecat.
Translation of what you said:
Let me help translate from kwerle to common - it can be tricky.
Keep up with the times.
There's no reason to write another lightweight language (the topic at hand) - we have C for that. If you're going to roll another language, it should probably be feature-rich and have good libraries.
I took the 1.44M boot floppy to be kind of an analogy, so I latched on to it. Just as any new language should be feature rich, any new OS should also be feature rich. Unless you're writing an OS for a lightswitch, you should probably enjoy the features of today's hardware - to wit, lots of space and processor speed.
The same is true of languages.
If you're writing an OS for a lightswich, use C. It's low on features and lightweight.
Sign up another disagree. I don't want to have to write a stack, queue, or quicksort - I did that in college. I don't want to write another http socket client, I did that at the end of last decade.
Moving libraries into the language is like moving web servers, web browsers, office suites and solitaire games into the kernel. Some people will think it's cool, but others will wonder why they can no longer fit a bootdisk onto a 1.44Mb floppy.
People who want 1.44Mb boot floppies should:
1. Buy a real computer - one without a damn floppy.
2. Invest in some kind of IO that supports CD booting.
3. Write their damn kernel in C - that's all the language is good for (IMO)
There's just 2 things that most users will want - the same 2 that made the internet what it is today:
Email
WWW
Email do's and don'ts would be good - including handling of spam and crap (the junk your father-in-law sends you that is either urban legend, or ancient, or both).
Web browsing, security (don't tell folks your passwords), and virii are all important things to know about.
Yeah, but having a "No solictors" sign on your door doesn't give you the right to sue solicitors who ignore it for $500. In fact, it gives you no rights at all. It just lets solicitors know they'll be bothering people who aren't interested. Chances are the smart ones won't waste their time.
D ocument s/WestNewburyMA_Bylaws/chapter18
I guess it depends where you live:
http://www.town.west-newbury.ma.us/Public_
We've got one of those on our door. We still get people coming in off the street
Dunno where you live, or what the law is there, nor am I a lawyer. I'm betting you're not a lawyer either - are you sure it's not illegal? Are you sure you don't have a right to have them prosecuted?
are you going to claim that the telemarketers are trespassing by calling your "house" w/o an invitation? i can walk up and knock on your door and until you tell me to leave, it's not tresspassing. you can already, under previous laws, tell a telemarketer to add you to their DNC list and they must.
Ever see a building with a "No Solicitors" sign on the front door? Notice how those are legal. There is a legal difference between knocking on your neighbors door to ask for a cup of sugar, and wandering neighborhoods trying to sell sugar "door to door."
this is effectively putting up lots of NO TRESSPASSING signs all around your property.
No, it's like having a single "No Solicitor" sign on your phone. Seems totally reasonable to me.
So, the bottom line is that the topic is bogus, right?
:-/ will offer IPv6. In the meantime, I think I'll check out some 6bone connectivity.
"US Shrugs Off World's IP Address Shortage", but the rest of the world is shrugging of the US - and rightly so.
So who cares? Eventually it will become a hassle for US users to hit enough websites that PacBell (my isp
Non-issue.
I'm going to stop talking on this thread, an limit myself to this one now.
Damn, replying to my own post...
Anyway, virtually "the rest of the world" has had better mobile phone service than the US (for those who installed networks) - that doesn't seem to have caused any kind of problem for them. Just as the US is now (slowly) catching up, I expect the same thing to happen with IPv6...
Name a single ISP anywhere in the world that is planning on rolling out IPv6?
*.ne.jp
That's not all that helpful - how about just a one.
In any case, do they really care if the US is falling behind? Why is that a problem for "the rest of the world?"
To dupe another post of mine...
Name a single ISP anywhere in the world that is planning on rolling out IPv6?
What ISPs (in any country) are planning to roll out IPv6?
Beuller? Beuller?
It's not a PC, it's a game console, they just share a lot of tech.
It turns out that modern game consoles are Personal Computers. Just as modern handhelds are portable computers. At the very least, they are certainly all turing complete. Hell, how do you call any device that runs linux "not a computer?" And if it's a computer but not a mainframe, what does that make it?
Whatever.
If you'd been watching more closely, you'd notice it's curious how little MSFT gives a shit about Xbox mods. The more units they sell the more ammo they have to fight for developers.
They aren't nearly as rabid as Sony or Nintendo when it comes to hunting down people selling modchips/piracy devices.
As you practically say, they almost certainly would be if the xbox was as successful as they'd hope'd it'd be. What's more, Sony seems to have blessed linux on the PlayStation2.
Finally, none of this takes away from the fact that M$ has tried to ship a fully DRM-confined computer.
We haven't seen them yet, but I bet pretty soon we'll see PC's for sale that can only run Windows (this will be enforced by hardware) - don't know how that will affect the music business, but I am sure this is a card that Microsoft is waiting to play at the right time to make even more money.
Wakey, wakey.
They're called XBoxes, and "only" run a modified windows.
Now they run linux (and various other stuff) as well, though M$ wishes they didn't.
Whether or not the Linux crowd believes these allegations, someone within the community needs to take some serious time and legal effort to address these concerns.
Nobody (real world CTO's) gives a crap what "people within the community" say about these allegations.
Ignoring or laughing at them won't make it go away, and I can easily imagine every corporate lawyer type calling up the CIO/CTO and saying "halt all linux deployments NOW!"
Because IBM and Oracle are sending out mixed signals about linux?
As a BSD-ite I can sympathize and say that the sooner you get this over with the better.
"Over with?" Are you kidding?
Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite are some of the real highlights. They're not geek spots, but DAMN, they're gorgeous.
c fm so you can hit the ones you'll be near.
See also http://www.nps.gov/. Looks like they have a good interactive map at http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parksearch/state/usamap.
You think? Urban India speaks good English. Let me say very good English. A lot of time far better than the NY yuppies.
There's speaking proper English, and then there's being understood. I can be understood by virtually any English speaker because I speak US movie & television California English. I have no accent according to most of the media produced and distributed in the English language.
Having worked with Indian and Pakastani folks, it CAN be rough understanding them - no matter how good their English is.
I have heard (Nth-person hearsay, granted) that one of the problems with offshore coders is understanding them. Not because of poor English - just because of the accent.
...I'll move to India. That'll fuck em' over!
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Why not? I know it's cheap to live there. I love indian food...
I wonder how health care is over there (cost and availability).
I'm sure there are worse places to live. Besides, I'd be the bast damn English speaking Indian coder around - I could charge a fortune!
Two options we use are
JFreeChart (http://www.jfree.org/jfreechart/index.html), which is totally serverside generated. Not sure what you mean when you say you need interactive charting - we let the user spec some params and toss them a graph.
On the other side of the spectrum we also use
SpotFire (http://www.spotfire.com/) which is not at all free, but which is REALLY powerful. Scientists and statisticians seem to love it...
It's just going to be a pain in the ass to get every one switched over, though.
Most of "everyone" are windows users. What is the state of their IPv6? If it works, then most of the work is mostly done...
Right, but AFAIK VNC on OSX is like VNC on Windows. It stupidly polls the screen over and over again checking for changes. Very slow, and painful to use over dialup.
Depending on your server, but I'm pretty sure that OSXvnc does not poll the screen. It just sends updates. I use it over DSL, and it's not a joy to use, but it is very usable.
This is simply untrue. The problem was not that the government had sole access to information, it was that the government had access to that information and had the power to act upon it. Did it matter that both the government and your neighbor knew you had committed ThoughtCrime?...
I think we disagree on a fundamental level about what conditions laws are enforced, and how often they're broken but not enforced. I think this problem has contributed to the number of unreasonable laws that are 'optionally enforced'. What's more, there is a big difference between your neighbor narcing on your thoughtcrime (did you really commit it?), the government revealing they have evidence of your thought crime (do they really), and the entire society having equal access to the evidence of it, as well as evidence to their own, their neighbors, and the govenerment's thoughtcrimes - at which point it makes a lot less sense to punish you for yours.
And don't forget that the data can be doctored just as surely as a news reel about that data can be doctored.
It is [currently] hard to doctor realtime video and sound - especially when you don't know what is going to happen ahead of time.
Now that we're talking about reality, you're even more wrong. There certainly are people who care how many condoms you buy. And they care about who you use those condoms with, and exactly what you do with them. How do you reconcile your transparent society with our society that until recently had places where it was illegal for a couple to have anal sex in the privacy of their own home? Take away the privacy that makes finding these heinous deviants difficult, and you make matters worse, not better.
The fact is that these heinous deviants are neither heinous nor very deviant. Facts that have only recently "come to light" as more of these folk have "come out of the closet." I think this case is in my favor, as a more transparent society has shown these laws to be rediculous pretenses for random prejudice.
I have yet to hear of a forensic technique that can overcome the effects of a shredder followed by an incinerator. But if the government has to sift through the trash of 200 million Americans in order to find out who is buying excessive amounts of condoms, I can live with that.
And that is also my point - if you think sifting through garbage is a chore, try sifting through video...
Give complete access to everyone's lives, and you've turned "ThoughtCrime" legislation like the sodomy laws go from being statements of moral distaste to a practical enforcement scenario.
No, I think we've turned it into a pretty clearly unsound cause for prejudice - and thus discard the law.
You have not considered reality and how a transparent society would work in the real world, where live-and-let-live idealized libertarians are a tiny portion of the population, and certainly not represented in government.
And here I always though libertarians were live-and-let-die, but that's another discussion.
Transparent society could only lead to greater freedom in a perfectly tolerant utopia. It cannot bring said utopia about, and in the absence absence of utopia aids totalitarianism.
See; we do disagree. I think that a more transparent society has brought about the downfall of sodomy laws.
But public should remain public, and private private. Eliminate the difference, and you have 1984.
I disagree. If the general public had access to the same data as the government did, I don't think 1984 could have existed.
Try running three different programs on three different machines and displaying them together on one screen with VNC.
I've done that. But it was mostly for gag value.
vnc from mymachine to R1
vnc from R1 to R2
vnc from R2 to R3
You now have R1, R2, and R3 in one screen. Not exactly what you wanted, but then I really don't care to run 3 apps from 3 machines on 1 screen. Sorry that you do.
There has been a lot of talk about doing 'rootless' vnc servers and clients. Haven't seen it done, yet...
But VNC's major failing is that it isn't multi-user, and out-of-the-box security sucks.
Agreed. Easy to fix (secure connection), but they have yet to do it. It is as multi-user as the Windowing system involved, which is to say it's fine for X11, but not for Win or OSX.
It's in reality no better than PcAnywhere, and indeed, it is often outclassed by said product.
Except that it runs EVERYWHERE.
Not that I don't use VNC, I use it everywhere, but I prefer to use Microsoft Terminal Services or remote X displays wherever possible instead of VNC.
Fair enough.
Killing off X11 is going to put a dent in the big reason why Administrators love Unix: remote everything.
A dent, yes. A big dent... Dunno. I can still ssh anywhere I want, right? I can still edit files and do admin-y things. The ugly truth is that MOST users don't care about remote display. Yeah, you and I do, but we're not the majority. The other truth is that just about any windowing system could do remote displays - they just don't bother.
I'm tired of seeing stories about x-companies that have been reduced to lawyer squads trying to suck blood. Frankly, I don't think they're interesting or newsworthy.
Could we have a new category: "Bloodsuckers"?
Maybe with a leech icon?