... news that 3dfx has officially sued Creative Labs for "breaching a licensing greement" and infringing on 3dfx copyrights by using 3dfx Glide Source Code into Unified...
I'll agree that in the past 3dfx threatening people who dodn't nesscesearily break the rules pissed me off a little, but lacking a link to the story and just going by the/. post, I have to side with them here. Creative Labs apperantly broke the rules. This doesn't mean I like the rules or even agree with them, but a company the size of creative sure as hell had to go into this with their eyes wide open. They broke the rules and got caught. They lose. Game over.
Again i'm just going by the posted story here, but if it's accurate, I have no argument with 3dfx over this issue.
I can't blame them at all. I don't think that it is a good idea to release a commercial product that is just targeted for "linux" in general. Tech support for the product would be a CM nightmare. Picking one distro to officially support makes good biz sense. Redhat just happens to be the best known / most widely accepted (IMHO) distro. Dos that mean that redhat is better. Hell no! It just means that a company that needs to pick one configuration to train up their tech reps on is going to pick redhat because they have the biggest (perceived?) install base.
A good chunk of the linux community has been wanting commercial software for a while. What did you think was going to happen? Companies that have the vast majority of their current customer base running other OSes were going to train all of their support staff to a level where they can help any linux user running any combination of software/kernal/libraries? This just doesn't make economic sense for the company trying to sell the software. I would guess that if a company does well with redhat as an officially supported platform, that they would eventually start supporting other well developed platforms like debian or caldera as well.
Regarding traffic shaping, did you know there is traffic shaping in 2.0.36?
No I didn't. Cool.
As far as knfsd goes, yes I did measure it. It was between 20 and 30 percent faster for my app. it was a custom application that abused nfs for commo. (yes i do know how to use sockets! ugly app. don't ask:-) YMMV. I had been using BSD only because I found the Linux user space nfs to be to damn slow. knfs made a huge difference for me. Your right about the ext2fs stuff, it has been a pain for me too... Unfort i'm not a filesystem guru.
Regarding SMP, most PCs are not SMP, and, I guess, most Linux users' PCs are not SMP.
I think you would be suprised. I'm finding more and more people I talk to run SMP boxes. But then most of them are eengineering/scientific types so I may have a tainted sample base. or something.
The people I knew in school that would do that kinda crap would just pipe over a 10 mb gziped binary to your ptty. If you didn't know better it was enough to piss ya off and wreck your whole day.
It would be damn near impossible to run a full qual. test on a modern OS. The complexity level is just to high and there are really no requirements to test anyway. The government will not (I hope) step in here. There is no reason for them to do so.
Think of it this way: it takes WEEKS of 24 hour computing to run a FQT on an aircraft digital flight control system. WEEKS. and this is a system with super super rigid, well defined, realtime requirements. There is no code in the system that is not used.
Now consider the Linux kernel. How many system calls are in there that joe average user never touches? How many combinations of things could be going on at one time? For all intents and purposes we are dealing with an infinite combination regression test situation here. or something.:-) You can't ever really test this kind of general purpose system.
With the complexity in modern realtime and avionics systems, we are pushing the limits of software test. Formal qual testing of general purpose software is a lost cause.
Ummm... what's so bad about imlib? I kind of liked it actually... why reinvent the wheel? (not that I pretend to know anything about the other libs...)
I did a couple of my 5.1 systems and they just went ape on me. They crashed over night and samba wouldn't talk to NT 4 machines anymore. I think it was an issue with libraries not being upgraded corectly. I just backed off the essentials, blew em all out, and reinstalled clean and it seems to be rock solid.
I had only 1 5.2 system and it seems to be OK.
From 5.1 to 6.0 gets ugly due to bind versions too... just some little gotchas to watch for. I suppose with patience and time I could have fixed it, but I had little of either that day.:-)
I guess i'll shut up now and go write some more requirements. woohoo. /dev
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at one stage it was compiling then it told me I didnt have 'as86' command (near the end of a make bzImage)...
Ummm... you gotta install the x86 binutils to build a kernel. That will get by THIS error.
It's not the current, it's the frequency. The high voltage is also kind of a side effect as IU understand it. You need the correct freq and it really f's up the nervous system. Uncle Sam has been playing with these for some time now...
You ever used the UPS tracking number system over the phone? It's really really good. You can reattle off the number in a natural voice and as fast as you like and it gets it damn near every time. Granted it's going character by character, but I think it demostrates what you can do with the BW that the phone allows.
BTW, IBM via voice for Linux beta SDK is out for free. I think they said it ships with RH6.0 on the app disc. I downloaded it from IBM, but at 40meg it's quite a hit for a modem.
This is going to sound really stupid, but it is true and it did happen to me...
Don't ever try to fly with a carry on bag that has been NEAR anything that went to a shooting range with you.
I took a piece of carry on that had been sitting next to my range bag in the closet. They did that checmical wipe thing at security. It said explosives. (must have been from powder residue or something) The rent-a-cop freaked out and tried to grab me from behind. (this is illegal, i was told later since he was a security puke not a real cop.) I reacted badly since I was not paying attention to what he was doing with my bag since I was late for a flight and was preoccupied, and the rent-a-cop ended up on the sitting ground. This turned out badly and I ended up like 3 seconds away from missing the plane.
Moral of the story: don't travel with anything that has been near shooting or reloading gear. The end.:-)
So this means that the next time some guy comes up to me on the street and starts telling me that I should repent or be saved or something, and I tell him to shutup, and he doesn't, I can duct tape his mouth?:-)
This is a strange multifacted issue. I honestly don't have a real opinion, but just tend to not like large companies with lots of legal muscle. Bad past experience.
You are damn right they control what goes through their electronic infrastructure and is stored on their servers.
That means that they can screen this guy out if they want to. Seems to me it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to do it that way than to take it to court, but I guess when you employ all of the lawyers you have to come up eith things to keep them all busy.
Not that I agree that this guy it RIGHT in what he is doing. It seem to be a pretty petty and juvinile(SP?) thing to do, but if Intel doesn't want to receive emails from the Internet, they can disconnect their systems or use some kind of filter. They have no more right to stop people from trying to mail them than I have to stop people from sending me junk snail mail. I think.:-)
Just like another YET ANOTHER SLASHDOT MP3 THREAD?? Hey, YASMT, that sounds like a cool weapon... hmmmm... JASSM... YASM... I like it. I think I'll have to came up with some kind of new smart cruise missile to fit the initials and get rich. The government loves anything with a cool acronym(SP?).
Oh yeah, last I checked gun control still meant not flinching every time you rip off a.300WM:-)
I have serveral models of each. (every time a new one comes out, I am forced to buy it, so I have all of the odler models stashed all over.:-) I have carried both for long periods of time. The gerber IS easier to open one handed. Yes this does matter. The new model gerber that doesn't rip your hand when using the wire cutters in quite nice. Leatherman has a better warranty. The elaterman is built better, and from higher quaility material. It is machined where much of the gerber is not. I have never had to deal with the factory for my gerber. I have done some stupid things with my leatherman and can say that dealing with the service dept is as good as dealing with service at thrustmaster, that is to say extremely good.
spyderco makes nice knives, I own a couple. The seration is top notch for going through wet line and that kind of thing. This is quite interesting. I may buy one to go with the leatherman and the gerber.:-)
I wish emerson design would come up with a multi-tool device. I REFUSE to be located outside of a three foot radius from my CQC6. period. ever. If you don't have one of these and you want a real blade, buy one. I think emerson even has a web site up now...
Can you agree to _that_ tiny little point at least, which is all I was trying to say? Since you didn't explicitly admit that "use" doesn't necessarily mean what you used (Heh!:-) it to mean, I mean
Yeah. I can't really argue with that I guess. I just didn't like pascal/delphi too much last time i used it. to much like ada. Gack!
I've never used or seen anyone else use mfc in a builder app. Lotsa win32 sys calls yes, but mfc no. I guess that's probably cause I always hated mfc and vcl is such a dream to use... I guess you have seen lots of mfc mixed into builder apps then?
This has been an "interesting" thread. About the same as the last gun control discussion on/.:-) Let's try something new here...
I think at the core of the problem, among other things, is the fact that people don't really want freedom anymore. Not really.
Let me explain that a little. Freedom is directly proportional to responsibility. (shit, I must be an engineer...:-) Any sytems or embedded programmer can tell you this.
The more freedom you have the more responsibility you have. If you want 100% control over the computer, you get to write you own OS and drivers, etc. The whole shot. It's all your responsibility.
If you don't want all of the responsibility you can go get an RTOS of even a PC or something, but you give up some of your freedom to do whatever you want with the gear.
Back to the topic at hand... Modern society doesn't like responsibility. Parents aren't held responsible for their children anymore, people aren't held responsible for their actions, etc. Everyone wants the government to do everything for them. They want a shiny happy life.
Nowdays every single time something bad happens the masses cry out "we want a law to stop this!!" and the politicians, who will do anything to keep their cushy job, joyfully respond by passing whatever legislation will keep their subjec^H^H^H^H^H^Hvoters happy. People refuse to admit that shit happens.
Now this may sound harsh, but I'm the type of person that is fully willing to accept the responsibility for my own well being. Those who aren't can count on the government to protect them and take their chances. I'm not plugging for full blown anarchy here. (that amount of freedom would put me out of work:-), but we are heading towards a world where everything is going to be controled, and I don't like it.
The internet could be considered a prime example of this effect. Parents won't take the responsibility of monitoring their children... anyway.
I guess I'll shut up now. This is most likely not going to be read this deep into a thread anyway, but hey... it was just so much fun to write.
Quite beating around the bush. The issue is really quite simple. You have guns, you have violence.
What kind of argument is that? You realize that you are saying guns cause violence here, right? The first human that had his head bashed in by a rock would probably argue that you are wrong.
Most of the rest of the western world has no guns and a LOT less violence.
Oh, right. I forgot. The rest of the western world is so peaceful. Ireland? They are real nice over there. The balkans? Really wonderful over there right now too.
I guess I'll stop wasting everyones time now, cause nobody here is gonna change their mind about this, but let me just say this: until mankind has something else to focus on, we are going to keep killing each other off. Violence is directly related to population density. I vote we move to mars.
Builder apps can call mfc crap, which is why it ships with mfc, but builder can't and doesn't use it. VCL and MFC can coexist, but Builder itself only uses VCL. We're safe.:-)
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I'll agree that in the past 3dfx threatening people who dodn't nesscesearily break the rules pissed me off a little, but lacking a link to the story and just going by the /. post, I have to side with them here. Creative Labs apperantly broke the rules. This doesn't mean I like the rules or even agree with them, but a company the size of creative sure as hell had to go into this with their eyes wide open. They broke the rules and got caught. They lose. Game over.
Again i'm just going by the posted story here, but if it's accurate, I have no argument with 3dfx over this issue.
/dev
A good chunk of the linux community has been wanting commercial software for a while. What did you think was going to happen? Companies that have the vast majority of their current customer base running other OSes were going to train all of their support staff to a level where they can help any linux user running any combination of software/kernal/libraries? This just doesn't make economic sense for the company trying to sell the software. I would guess that if a company does well with redhat as an officially supported platform, that they would eventually start supporting other well developed platforms like debian or caldera as well.
My $0.02 anyway.
/dev
No I didn't. Cool.
As far as knfsd goes, yes I did measure it. It was between 20 and 30 percent faster for my app. it was a custom application that abused nfs for commo. (yes i do know how to use sockets! ugly app. don't ask :-) YMMV. I had been using BSD only because I found the Linux user space nfs to be to damn slow. knfs made a huge difference for me. Your right about the ext2fs stuff, it has been a pain for me too ... Unfort i'm not a filesystem guru.
Regarding SMP, most PCs are not SMP, and, I guess, most Linux users' PCs are not SMP.
I think you would be suprised. I'm finding more and more people I talk to run SMP boxes. But then most of them are eengineering/scientific types so I may have a tainted sample base. or something.
/dev
The people I knew in school that would do that kinda crap would just pipe over a 10 mb gziped binary to your ptty. If you didn't know better it was enough to piss ya off and wreck your whole day.
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or your whole term session anyway
/dev
knfs.
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Speed!!!
2.2 also kicks ass on multiproc machines. but you
already knew that
traffic shaping too...
/dev
what OS he/she(it? are trolls gendered?) used to make that banner? ;-)
/dev
I would love to agree with you, but can't.
:-) You can't ever really test this kind of general purpose system.
...
It would be damn near impossible to run a full qual. test on a modern OS. The complexity level is just to high and there are really no requirements to test anyway. The government will not (I hope) step in here. There is no reason for them to do so.
Think of it this way: it takes WEEKS of 24 hour computing to run a FQT on an aircraft digital flight control system. WEEKS. and this is a system with super super rigid, well defined, realtime requirements. There is no code in the system that is not used.
Now consider the Linux kernel. How many system calls are in there that joe average user never touches? How many combinations of things could be going on at one time? For all intents and purposes we are dealing with an infinite combination regression test situation here. or something.
With the complexity in modern realtime and avionics systems, we are pushing the limits of software test. Formal qual testing of general purpose software is a lost cause.
i'll stop rambling on now
/dev
Ummm ... what's so bad about imlib? I kind of liked it actually ... why reinvent the wheel? (not that I pretend to know anything about the other libs ...)
/dev
I had only 1 5.2 system and it seems to be OK.
From 5.1 to 6.0 gets ugly due to bind versions too ... just some little gotchas to watch for. I suppose with patience and time I could have fixed it, but I had little of either that day. :-)
I guess i'll shut up now and go write some more requirements. woohoo.
/dev
Ummm
/dev
It's not the current, it's the frequency. The high voltage is also kind of a side effect as IU understand it. You need the correct freq and it really f's up the nervous system. Uncle Sam has been playing with these for some time now ...
/dev
You ever used the UPS tracking number system over the phone? It's really really good. You can reattle off the number in a natural voice and as fast as you like and it gets it damn near every time. Granted it's going character by character, but I think it demostrates what you can do with the BW that the phone allows.
BTW, IBM via voice for Linux beta SDK is out for free. I think they said it ships with RH6.0 on the app disc. I downloaded it from IBM, but at 40meg it's quite a hit for a modem.
/dev
Wish I'd though of that sooner. You know what the freqs are?
/dev
Don't ever try to fly with a carry on bag that has been NEAR anything that went to a shooting range with you.
I took a piece of carry on that had been sitting next to my range bag in the closet. They did that checmical wipe thing at security. It said explosives. (must have been from powder residue or something) The rent-a-cop freaked out and tried to grab me from behind. (this is illegal, i was told later since he was a security puke not a real cop.) I reacted badly since I was not paying attention to what he was doing with my bag since I was late for a flight and was preoccupied, and the rent-a-cop ended up on the sitting ground. This turned out badly and I ended up like 3 seconds away from missing the plane.
Moral of the story: don't travel with anything that has been near shooting or reloading gear. The end. :-)
/dev
That has got to be the best design I have seen yet for a non-mobile keyboard. Anyone know what the price tag is?
/dev
This is a strange multifacted issue. I honestly don't have a real opinion, but just tend to not like large companies with lots of legal muscle. Bad past experience.
/dev
That means that they can screen this guy out if they want to. Seems to me it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to do it that way than to take it to court, but I guess when you employ all of the lawyers you have to come up eith things to keep them all busy.
Not that I agree that this guy it RIGHT in what he is doing. It seem to be a pretty petty and juvinile(SP?) thing to do, but if Intel doesn't want to receive emails from the Internet, they can disconnect their systems or use some kind of filter. They have no more right to stop people from trying to mail them than I have to stop people from sending me junk snail mail. I think. :-)
/dev
Oh yeah, last I checked gun control still meant not flinching every time you rip off a .300WM :-)
/dev
I have serveral models of each. (every time a new one comes out, I am forced to buy it, so I have all of the odler models stashed all over. :-) I have carried both for long periods of time. The gerber IS easier to open one handed. Yes this does matter. The new model gerber that doesn't rip your hand when using the wire cutters in quite nice. Leatherman has a better warranty. The elaterman is built better, and from higher quaility material. It is machined where much of the gerber is not. I have never had to deal with the factory for my gerber. I have done some stupid things with my leatherman and can say that dealing with the service dept is as good as dealing with service at thrustmaster, that is to say extremely good.
/dev
I wish emerson design would come up with a multi-tool device. I REFUSE to be located outside of a three foot radius from my CQC6. period. ever. If you don't have one of these and you want a real blade, buy one. I think emerson even has a web site up now ...
/dev
Yeah. I can't really argue with that I guess. I just didn't like pascal/delphi too much last time i used it. to much like ada. Gack!
dev
I've never used or seen anyone else use mfc in a builder app. Lotsa win32 sys calls yes, but mfc no. I guess that's probably cause I always hated mfc and vcl is such a dream to use ... I guess you have seen lots of mfc mixed into builder apps then?
/dev
About the same as the last gun control discussion on
I think at the core of the problem, among other things, is the fact that people don't really want freedom anymore. Not really.
Let me explain that a little. Freedom is directly proportional to responsibility. (shit, I must be an engineer ...:-) Any sytems or embedded programmer can tell you this.
The more freedom you have the more responsibility you have. If you want 100% control over the computer, you get to write you own OS and drivers, etc. The whole shot. It's all your responsibility.
If you don't want all of the responsibility you can go get an RTOS of even a PC or something, but you give up some of your freedom to do whatever you want with the gear.
Back to the topic at hand ... Modern society doesn't like responsibility. Parents aren't held responsible for their children anymore, people aren't held responsible for their actions, etc. Everyone wants the government to do everything for them. They want a shiny happy life.
Nowdays every single time something bad happens the masses cry out "we want a law to stop this!!" and the politicians, who will do anything to keep their cushy job, joyfully respond by passing whatever legislation will keep their subjec^H^H^H^H^H^Hvoters happy. People refuse to admit that shit happens.
Now this may sound harsh, but I'm the type of person that is fully willing to accept the responsibility for my own well being. Those who aren't can count on the government to protect them and take their chances. I'm not plugging for full blown anarchy here. (that amount of freedom would put me out of work :-), but we are heading towards a world where everything is going to be controled, and I don't like it.
The internet could be considered a prime example of this effect. Parents won't take the responsibility of monitoring their children ... anyway.
I guess I'll shut up now. This is most likely not going to be read this deep into a thread anyway, but hey ... it was just so much fun to write.
/dev
What kind of argument is that? You realize that you are saying guns cause violence here, right? The first human that had his head bashed in by a rock would probably argue that you are wrong.
Most of the rest of the western world has no guns and a LOT less violence.
Oh, right. I forgot. The rest of the western world is so peaceful. Ireland? They are real nice over there. The balkans? Really wonderful over there right now too.
I guess I'll stop wasting everyones time now, cause nobody here is gonna change their mind about this, but let me just say this: until mankind has something else to focus on, we are going to keep killing each other off. Violence is directly related to population density. I vote we move to mars.
Builder apps can call mfc crap, which is why it ships with mfc, but builder can't and doesn't use it. VCL and MFC can coexist, but Builder itself only uses VCL. We're safe. :-)
/dev