I installed a beta version by inserting the disk, answering a few questions and it did the rest.
I recently installed RedHat 6.1, and when I shutdown after using X, it reported some errors. This didn't prevent me from using my machine, but it made me question the stability of it.
It will fade, like all new hypes fade over time. Some people will switch, however most will not. The average computer user does not want to install a different OS just because MS doesn't make it.
Currently Microsoft has
1. Games 2. Word Processors, spreadsheets 3. Financial Software 4. Established user-base in corporations
Linux has some decent word processors, but barely any games, and no financial software.
Since people use MS products at work (#4), they want something they can use at home that they are familar with.
You don't have function keys bound so specifically in real programs. You'll mess up your clean shell.
I just noticed this. Ever even use Developer Studio?
They don't seem to matter binding F7 with compile, and even F5 with compile+run. Don't give me this crap about, "Well that's Microsoft", because this is one product by them, that works very well.
I worked at a company where all our development was on Linux. You know what? I still enjoy developing in DevStudio more.
Whats your definition of a real program. To me, it is a piece of software that gets the job done.
If you want to bind function keys in your shell, do it. That doesn't make it a fake program.
Well, since I _program_ on a Windows machine, it is a technical job. However, I don't have a problem developing software for Windows. Right now, that's where the market is.
GUI's simply make sense. They make people a lot more productive. It's faster to click something, then to type an entire command line with arguments.
Hmmm..
gcc program.c -o program or F7 or Press the compile button with your mouse
Sure you can alias the "gcc" command line to something short, but it's still a lot faster with a GUI.
Not to defend Windows, but these guys were morons then. Assuming your network card is already installed, it takes 1 minute + reboot to install a DHCP connection on Windows.
I agree 100%. I first used Linux back in 1995, and every so often I go back and forth between Windows and Linux. Unfortunately my job requires me to program on Windows machines, so that is where I spend most of my time on. Last night, I wanted to see where Linux is at, so I went and installed Mandrake 6.1. Linux has improved a lot in the last few years, however, I don't want KDE, Gnome, and Enlightenment installed. I spent more time fiddling with my desktop, than I did with the applications. The first thing I said, was Linux needs a standard GUI. Windows boots up into that greenish-blueish screen, and people don't like to deal with new things when they're not familar with it. Give me a standard screen, and when I get comfortable again, let me customize it.
Their investors in the last two months are upset, and have asked them to start making a profit. They're supposedly geared towards making money now, rather than doing what they've been doing.
Online ordering is a lot more convenient than catalog shopping. What, I don't have a catalog? No biggie, with online ordering you don't need one.
People can hop on the internet, jump to a place like buy.com and buy all their presents within minutes. Don't kid yourself, it's about convenience, and in some cases, money. The negative aspect of catalog shopping is you don't always have a catalog with you.
The internet helps negate all the negatives of catalog shopping.
I live in LA. This city is about convenience. For god sakes, we have valet parking at our malls.
The problem is a lot of people aren't computer literate, and believe that this stuff can happen. I sat there laughing at the movie, while my wife asked if it could really happen. The movie was poorly written, directed, and not even good entertainment. It did NOTHING but scare the people in this world who don't know fact from fiction when talking about computers.
What is so great about spending 20 hours reading and writing code?!?! Nothing.
Garbage.. I program for a living. Anyone who programs will tell you that one of the best feelings is seeing your program run and do what it's supposed to do. Even when I'm debugging someone else's code, the minute I figure out the bug and get it working, I'm happy.
I've never run BO so forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is what I understand.
Someone executes BO on a Windows machine (either a user who downloaded it, or someone who has had access to the machine). Very similar to PC Anywhere.
When you're using Windows 95/98, you are the administrator. You have complete access to the machine, much like root has on a UNIX box.
Why can't this same exact thing happen on a UNIX box running under 'root'?
Another point...
For the most part only more "computer literate" people use Linux. As it grows in popularity, someday, it too will have the idiotic user that receives email from "techsupport@linux.com" telling them to run the Security Update.
Believe me, there are idiots using Linux today. I worked at a large company where an idiot who always logged on as root, delete his harddrive 3 times by mistake. You'd think he'd use 'rm -i *' after the second time.
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Java has a lot of problems, and with Sun backing out of the standardization process, it doesn't help.
Why did you have problems installing W2k?
I installed a beta version by inserting the disk, answering a few questions and it did the rest.
I recently installed RedHat 6.1, and when I shutdown after using X, it reported some errors. This didn't prevent me from using my machine, but it made me question the stability of it.
It will fade, like all new hypes fade over time. Some people will switch, however most will not. The average computer user does not want to install a different OS just because MS doesn't make it.
Currently Microsoft has
1. Games
2. Word Processors, spreadsheets
3. Financial Software
4. Established user-base in corporations
Linux has some decent word processors, but barely any games, and no financial software.
Since people use MS products at work (#4), they want something they can use at home that they are familar with.
Flame away...
I ask you, why would someone who knows assembler use a compiler to create binaries?
Less code to write.
Less code is associated with easier to debug/easier to maintain (not all developers are fluent in ASM).
I develop in both Intel ASM and C. Unless I NEED the speed of ASM, I use C.
How big is your customer service department that a few simple IM's every once in awhile is slowing down your T-1?
IRC has been around a lot longer than AIM or MSNM.
Windows had nothing to do with it. Pick any OS, and replace the name Windows, with that OS, and you'd have the same effect.
I'll put my money that if Linux takes off and becomes as widely used as Windows is today, that you are going to see at least these two things:
1) People who use Linux now, will find another alternative OS, proclaiming that Linux sucks.
2) People will put down Linux users for being ignorant/stupid/losers.
I understand loyalty, but it's just a piece of software!
Commodore Atari
Commodore Apple
Apple PC
Windows Linux
KDE Gnome
Rather than just saying, "That's not for me", people fight until there's death.
Any psychologists out there want to explain why computer users have such loyalty to their machines?
You don't have function keys bound so specifically in real programs. You'll mess up your clean shell.
I just noticed this. Ever even use Developer Studio?
They don't seem to matter binding F7 with compile, and even F5 with compile+run. Don't give me this crap about, "Well that's Microsoft", because this is one product by them, that works very well.
I worked at a company where all our development was on Linux. You know what? I still enjoy developing in DevStudio more.
Whats your definition of a real program. To me, it is a piece of software that gets the job done.
If you want to bind function keys in your shell, do it. That doesn't make it a fake program.
Don't knock what you don't understand.
Smartass, I develop software for a living. I've been using makefiles since I started developing software.
My point was that hitting a function key like F7 in Developer Studio is far easier/quicker than typing on the command line.
Well, since I _program_ on a Windows machine, it is a technical job. However, I don't have a problem developing software for Windows. Right now, that's where the market is.
GUI's simply make sense. They make people a lot more productive. It's faster to click something, then to type an entire command line with arguments.
Hmmm..
gcc program.c -o program
or
F7 or Press the compile button with your mouse
Sure you can alias the "gcc" command line to something short, but it's still a lot faster with a GUI.
Not to defend Windows, but these guys were morons then. Assuming your network card is already installed, it takes 1 minute + reboot to install a DHCP connection on Windows.
I agree 100%. I first used Linux back in 1995, and every so often I go back and forth between Windows and Linux. Unfortunately my job requires me to program on Windows machines, so that is where I spend most of my time on. Last night, I wanted to see where Linux is at, so I went and installed Mandrake 6.1. Linux has improved a lot in the last few years, however, I don't want KDE, Gnome, and Enlightenment installed. I spent more time fiddling with my desktop, than I did with the applications. The first thing I said, was Linux needs a standard GUI. Windows boots up into that greenish-blueish screen, and people don't like to deal with new things when they're not familar with it. Give me a standard screen, and when I get comfortable again, let me customize it.
Their investors in the last two months are upset, and have asked them to start making a profit. They're supposedly geared towards making money now, rather than doing what they've been doing.
Yes, and since the DB is on American soil, those servers are regulated by American law. Duh.
Online ordering is a lot more convenient than catalog shopping. What, I don't have a catalog? No biggie, with online ordering you don't need one.
People can hop on the internet, jump to a place like buy.com and buy all their presents within minutes. Don't kid yourself, it's about convenience, and in some cases, money. The negative aspect of catalog shopping is you don't always have a catalog with you.
The internet helps negate all the negatives of catalog shopping.
I live in LA. This city is about convenience. For god sakes, we have valet parking at our malls.
Do you or anyone else know what the differences are between the JBuilders? I'm a software engineer new to Java and I'm looking for a good IDE.
I love MS's (no boos please) Developer Studio, but it doesn't seem to have very good integration with SUN's SDK.
Basically, I'm looking for an IDE, with an editor, compiler, and debugger and not use MS's extensions.
It's about convenience. No lines, no crowds. Comes straight to the door.
That's the advantage.
But don't they only make a connection to NSI's database? The database I believe is still on NSI servers.
The problem is a lot of people aren't computer literate, and believe that this stuff can happen. I sat there laughing at the movie, while my wife asked if it could really happen. The movie was poorly written, directed, and not even good entertainment. It did NOTHING but scare the people in this world who don't know fact from fiction when talking about computers.
A still fairer (ie more realistic) test would be even further in our favour.
How much fairer can you get when experts from BOTH sides are tweaking the system. Where was the unfairness in this test?
If there are other FAIR becnchmarks run, where are they? If there are some, why the inconsistencies?
It's all B.S. Face it, NT outperforms Linux on a PERFORMANCE basis. That is, when you're not including the cost of the system.
Maybe Microsoft can start learning how to handle competition without resorting to low-down tactics such as buying the new company over
That's what business is about! Don't sell out.
What is so great about spending 20 hours reading and writing code?!?! Nothing.
Garbage.. I program for a living. Anyone who programs will tell you that one of the best feelings is seeing your program run and do what it's supposed to do. Even when I'm debugging someone else's code, the minute I figure out the bug and get it working, I'm happy.
dummer
Appears so...
diverse
Diversity? That's what America was built on.
Not to defend Microsoft.
I've never run BO so forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is what I understand.
Someone executes BO on a Windows machine (either a user who downloaded it, or someone who has had access to the machine). Very similar to PC Anywhere.
When you're using Windows 95/98, you are the administrator. You have complete access to the machine, much like root has on a UNIX box.
Why can't this same exact thing happen on a UNIX box running under 'root'?
Another point...
For the most part only more "computer literate" people use Linux. As it grows in popularity, someday, it too will have the idiotic user that receives email from "techsupport@linux.com" telling them to run the Security Update.
Believe me, there are idiots using Linux today. I worked at a large company where an idiot who always logged on as root, delete his harddrive 3 times by mistake. You'd think he'd use 'rm -i *' after the second time.
We used to do these cheats on the old Commodore 64. Throw in a few 0xEA (NOP) here and there, wam! Unlimited lives.
Those were the fun days...