Last time I checked, Meet the Press was not a session of Congress.
Also, yes, those things are violations of the Geneva convention in the strictest sense. However the military STILL uses.50 calibur weapons, depleted uranium, and napalm (we've just changed the formula a bit and changed the name), cluster bombs, etc... All of these make every soldier who uses them, practically every soldier in the field, a war criminal. Sad but true.
If I recall, the Bush administration was looking for loopholes in the Geneva convention to justify torture.
So by your folks very logic, the sitting president of the United States is guilty of violating the international laws of war by ordering the armed forces to use weapons that violate the laws of war, violated the Geneva conventions, unilaterally attacked a nation without UN approval, has stated the desire to do so again in Syria and Iran, and has the worlds largest known stockpile of Weapons of Mass Destruction. This lands our current regime as squarely a 'rogue state' by any measure.
So it is critical that every citizen of the US, of voting age, overturn the government peacably through the election process.
By your very logic, we should probably send Bush to the Hague as well; maybe thats the real reason Bush is so afraid to join the ICC.
I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....
What I'm wondering, where was Dubya when Kerry was giving this speech? Was he coked up or maybe getting another DUI? Or maybe he was heading up yet another failed business and having daddy bail him out?
"I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.
We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out."
What part of that is incriminating himself in war crimes?
Bullshit, he said no such thing. The transcript is available for everyone to hear or read on multiple websites. He was asked about atrocities and he said that soldiers had told him about things they had heard. At no point did he incriminate himself or anyone else. To say it otherwise is a shameful lie.
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As opposed to living IN the US and getting your news from the clearly biased Fox News. (Remember when Hannity got caught editing transcripts of interviews to change what a person said?)
Same here, I voted for Bush Sr in 1992, Dole in 96, and *would have* for Bush in 2000 if work hadn't held me up. I will be voting democratic in this election.
porthole does gui for gentoo's emerges for those that really need the gui. You can use binary packages with lots of ebuilds but thats not really the point of gentoo:)
Woah hang on a sec. X11 was controlled very tightly and development moved at a snails pace. The OSS community/users had been clamoring for just these types of features FOR YEARS but the X11 folks kept tight reigns on what things would be worked on, so none of these features got completed. Then X.Org forks the project and within a matter of months most of the big name vendors jump on board and already a slew of the features people had been demanding for so long but not getting are now in the code tree ready for testing. This is a VERY GOOD THING because now X is MOVING FORWARD at light speed instead of stagnating like it had been.
everyone = anyone who doesn't believe the fox news party line.
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I'm not sure why some people have issues with compact florescents... over the period of about a year I slowly replaced incandescents with a suitable flourescent as they burnt out. There are a couple of lamps that the compact flouros just won't fit in though. Anyway, its been about 5 years and I have yet to replace any of the bulbs. I dunno if I am living in a cave or what but I haven't had the short life of the bulbs that some people complain about.
Still though, the whole flourescent/incandescent really isn't as much of an issue as people make it out to be. Lighting generally accounts for about 9% of total power consumption. So even if they are 1/4 as power hungry as a regular bulb, you're still only going to pull that power bill down by ~7%. I'd say focusing your energy (sorry bad pun) on the heating/cooling aspect of your house will give you a much bigger benefit.
well remember when Japan bombed pearl harbor in 1941?
It was clearly Mexico's fault and we should have declared war on THEM. Yeah, so they didn't fund the Japanese or give them training or intelligence or even really talk to them but that doesn't matter it was obviously their fault anyway. But instead! That liberal pissant Roosevelt decided to attack the country that ACTUALLY attacked us!? can you believe such a thing!?
Now the grand parent poster is MUCH more in line with current, and I have to say, much more advanced thinking and rationalization. That is, since the World Trade Center attacks were carried out by mostly Saudi Citizens, who were financed and supported by Al Qaeda, who get the majority of their funding from Yemeni, Iranian, and Saudi origins, who had set up rather nice camps in Afghanistan as a base of operations, it is very obvious and if you don't see this you are an ABSOLUTE MORON, that we MUST attack Iraq!
In addition! Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction. No? Oh Wait. Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs! Not that either? Hmmm Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs! Still no dice? Oh, Iraq has Interest in Future Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs! Yeah thats it!
You still don't understand? It has NOTHING to do with oil! Its all because of Iraq's (non)involvement in 9/11 and their hideous Interest in Future Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs. You know they can deploy them(I don't care if they don't exist! they can still deploy them!) in 45 minutes right? Doesn't that scare you? Doesn't that SCARE you? It has nothing to do with oil. Be afraid. They have a jet fighter with a range of 450 miles. That can reach the United States! The United States is further than 450 miles from Iraq? Puh-lease! They are SNEAKY! Did you ever think they could land at Heathrow and refuel? Hmmm? HMMM?
You know he gassed his own people right? I don't care if Iraq and Iran were engaged in tit-for-tat biological attacks against each other for several months prior. I don't care if we actually helped him build the stuff. We thought he was going to make cupcakes out of it! Egg on our face for that one! I told you they were SNEAKY! It has nothing to do with oil.
I for one am glad we are protected each day and night by Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. I for one am glad that our president is a puppet for their interests. I for one am especially glad we have a good upstanding citizen like Bill O'Reilly to explain this all to us because this advanced thinking is beyond most of us and he makes it easy to understand!
I did some travelling repair work for PC's when 486 was king. I had to do some warranty work on, I believe, a Zenith brand PC. I had never seen one before and never saw one again for that matter. The machine in question was at a kindergarten "classroom" in Po-dunk, Kentucky. The classroom consisted of a single, double-wide trailer with 2 teachers and about 20 insane children.
I was there to swap out a HDD and cable. The teachers asked me if the other kids could watch while I did the "repair work". I said sure and all the kids gathered around got ready for a really important life-changing lesson.
I swapped the equipment out, everything was just fine. I noticed when I pulled off the old IDE cable that it had several pins missing. I found it rather odd but the replacement HDD was a Seagate and the original HDD was something I had never heard of. So I figured, hey must be a weird non-standard drive, but the Seagate I felt comfortable with and IDE was IDE, right?
Wrong! As per my usual superstitions about things not working when you pack up your tools before you test the machine, I left the case open when I fired the thing up. Little did I know, I really was FIRING the machine up. The kids were leaning forward strainging to see the fan inside spin around and then this cloud just started to pour out from the innards of the machine! The kids let out a collective scream as the tower just went up like it was made out of newsprint or something. The teachers were gasping, I was stunned, and the kids were crying; it was absolute anarchy! Within what must have only been a few seconds but seemed like an eternity, reality kicked in and I realized that this was an event that was actually occurring. It was also at this point that the sprinkler system apparantly took notice of what was going on. Yes thats right, this double-wide trailer filled with wife-beater t-shirt wearing redheaded step-children not only had enough money for a computer, but also a goddamned sprinkler system!
I already had that infernal device(sorry for the pun) in my hands, the power cord yanked out the back, and was running the three steps to the door when the sprinkler system went off and oh my god those things can put out quite a bit of water! I took the machine, kicked the door open to the place and threw the damned thing outside into, of course, a 2 foot mound of snow no less. The kids all ran out behind me, into the freezing cold, completely soaked from head to toe. The situation went from bad to worse when the sprinkler system wouldn't shut off and no one knew where the water lines were.
The "fire department" arrived pretty quickly but I'm pretty sure HE was drunk or on crystal meth or something because he got out of his pickup truck and ran INTO the trailer without talking to anyone, without any gear. He screamed *something* from inside the trailer, ran back outside, got back in his truck, and literally did a burn-out(sorry for the pun again) as he sped away.
The rest of the story involves me hanging out for a few hours with a crapload of Opie lookalikes stuffed my car trying not to die of exposure and me wondering if I was going to jail and asking myself, "I'm getting paid how much an hour again?"
His next film is about the Health Care industry entitled 'Sicko'. It was slated for a 2005 release but I think it has been pushed back to 2006.
What I found interesting was during the time of the brouhaha with disney and Michael Eisner, Moore was quoted in some paper (too lazy to look it up) as saying something to the effect of 'it's a shame this happened because I never considered Eisner to be one of the evil corporate types and I rather liked him'. It kind of blew me away because myself and quite a few/. readers have considered Eisner to be one of those 'evil corporate' types for several years now.
I'm guessing a DMCA movie probably won't be coming out of Moore as he seems a bit uninformed on the topic.
I'm going to go with the pessimistic attitude because I already know that numbers coming out the government are skewed heavily to favor the administration.
We saw it just recently with the terrorism report. we saw it when tabulating the 'estimates' of the amount of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We saw it when the administration intentionally withheld the true figures for the new Medicare/prescription card bill. We saw it when the administration skewed and suppressed environmental research to support their own agenda.
So why shouldn't I be a pessimist? Why should I take *anything* the administration issues with a grain of salt? At this point I'm more inclined to believe the rantings of my toothless great uncle on the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids than I would believe the current administration.
'Robert S.' -- Robert S. McNamara 'Rumsfeld' -- Donald H. Rumsfeld
A play on their names to associate the two together. McNamara being the Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War during its big ramp up phase. Rumsfeld of course, being the Secretary of Defense during the Iraq war, presumably, during its own ramp up phase.
Yup, I've seen it before (repeatedly) with/etc/modprobe.conf getting corrupted because of a system restart during init. Switch the partition over to xfs or ext3 and it doesn't occur.
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Last time I checked, Meet the Press was not a session of Congress.
.50 calibur weapons, depleted uranium, and napalm (we've just changed the formula a bit and changed the name), cluster bombs, etc... All of these make every soldier who uses them, practically every soldier in the field, a war criminal. Sad but true.
Also, yes, those things are violations of the Geneva convention in the strictest sense. However the military STILL uses
If I recall, the Bush administration was looking for loopholes in the Geneva convention to justify torture.
So by your folks very logic, the sitting president of the United States is guilty of violating the international laws of war by ordering the armed forces to use weapons that violate the laws of war, violated the Geneva conventions, unilaterally attacked a nation without UN approval, has stated the desire to do so again in Syria and Iran, and has the worlds largest known stockpile of Weapons of Mass Destruction. This lands our current regime as squarely a 'rogue state' by any measure.
So it is critical that every citizen of the US, of voting age, overturn the government peacably through the election process.
By your very logic, we should probably send Bush to the Hague as well; maybe thats the real reason Bush is so afraid to join the ICC.
And the part you decided to leave out...
I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....
What I'm wondering, where was Dubya when Kerry was giving this speech? Was he coked up or maybe getting another DUI? Or maybe he was heading up yet another failed business and having daddy bail him out?
"I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.
We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out."
What part of that is incriminating himself in war crimes?
Bullshit, he said no such thing. The transcript is available for everyone to hear or read on multiple websites. He was asked about atrocities and he said that soldiers had told him about things they had heard. At no point did he incriminate himself or anyone else. To say it otherwise is a shameful lie.
I call it a fucking reality check and Bush needs several.
yeah ryan was kicking his ass all over the place!
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if that means we get an amusement park on par with Cedar Point then I'm all for it! Die Disney die!
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here ya go:
i JR J8OVF&b=138711
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=b
As opposed to living IN the US and getting your news from the clearly biased Fox News. (Remember when Hannity got caught editing transcripts of interviews to change what a person said?)
Same here, I voted for Bush Sr in 1992, Dole in 96, and *would have* for Bush in 2000 if work hadn't held me up. I will be voting democratic in this election.
porthole does gui for gentoo's emerges for those that really need the gui. You can use binary packages with lots of ebuilds but thats not really the point of gentoo :)
Woah hang on a sec. X11 was controlled very tightly and development moved at a snails pace. The OSS community/users had been clamoring for just these types of features FOR YEARS but the X11 folks kept tight reigns on what things would be worked on, so none of these features got completed. Then X.Org forks the project and within a matter of months most of the big name vendors jump on board and already a slew of the features people had been demanding for so long but not getting are now in the code tree ready for testing. This is a VERY GOOD THING because now X is MOVING FORWARD at light speed instead of stagnating like it had been.
everyone = anyone who doesn't believe the fox news party line.
I'm not sure why some people have issues with compact florescents... over the period of about a year I slowly replaced incandescents with a suitable flourescent as they burnt out. There are a couple of lamps that the compact flouros just won't fit in though. Anyway, its been about 5 years and I have yet to replace any of the bulbs. I dunno if I am living in a cave or what but I haven't had the short life of the bulbs that some people complain about.
Still though, the whole flourescent/incandescent really isn't as much of an issue as people make it out to be. Lighting generally accounts for about 9% of total power consumption. So even if they are 1/4 as power hungry as a regular bulb, you're still only going to pull that power bill down by ~7%. I'd say focusing your energy (sorry bad pun) on the heating/cooling aspect of your house will give you a much bigger benefit.
well remember when Japan bombed pearl harbor in 1941?
It was clearly Mexico's fault and we should have declared war on THEM. Yeah, so they didn't fund the Japanese or give them training or intelligence or even really talk to them but that doesn't matter it was obviously their fault anyway. But instead! That liberal pissant Roosevelt decided to attack the country that ACTUALLY attacked us!? can you believe such a thing!?
Now the grand parent poster is MUCH more in line with current, and I have to say, much more advanced thinking and rationalization. That is, since the World Trade Center attacks were carried out by mostly Saudi Citizens, who were financed and supported by Al Qaeda, who get the majority of their funding from Yemeni, Iranian, and Saudi origins, who had set up rather nice camps in Afghanistan as a base of operations, it is very obvious and if you don't see this you are an ABSOLUTE MORON, that we MUST attack Iraq!
In addition! Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction. No? Oh Wait.
Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs! Not that either? Hmmm
Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs! Still no dice?
Oh, Iraq has Interest in Future Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs! Yeah thats it!
You still don't understand? It has NOTHING to do with oil! Its all because of Iraq's (non)involvement in 9/11 and their hideous Interest in Future Weapons of Mass Destruction Related Programs. You know they can deploy them(I don't care if they don't exist! they can still deploy them!) in 45 minutes right? Doesn't that scare you? Doesn't that SCARE you? It has nothing to do with oil. Be afraid. They have a jet fighter with a range of 450 miles. That can reach the United States! The United States is further than 450 miles from Iraq? Puh-lease! They are SNEAKY! Did you ever think they could land at Heathrow and refuel? Hmmm? HMMM?
You know he gassed his own people right? I don't care if Iraq and Iran were engaged in tit-for-tat biological attacks against each other for several months prior. I don't care if we actually helped him build the stuff. We thought he was going to make cupcakes out of it! Egg on our face for that one! I told you they were SNEAKY! It has nothing to do with oil.
I for one am glad we are protected each day and night by Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. I for one am glad that our president is a puppet for their interests. I for one am especially glad we have a good upstanding citizen like Bill O'Reilly to explain this all to us because this advanced thinking is beyond most of us and he makes it easy to understand!
yeah cause corporate entities always tell the truth
Except the replacement, a dove, was also rejected.
I did some travelling repair work for PC's when 486 was king. I had to do some warranty work on, I believe, a Zenith brand PC. I had never seen one before and never saw one again for that matter. The machine in question was at a kindergarten "classroom" in Po-dunk, Kentucky. The classroom consisted of a single, double-wide trailer with 2 teachers and about 20 insane children.
I was there to swap out a HDD and cable. The teachers asked me if the other kids could watch while I did the "repair work". I said sure and all the kids gathered around got ready for a really important life-changing lesson.
I swapped the equipment out, everything was just fine. I noticed when I pulled off the old IDE cable that it had several pins missing. I found it rather odd but the replacement HDD was a Seagate and the original HDD was something I had never heard of. So I figured, hey must be a weird non-standard drive, but the Seagate I felt comfortable with and IDE was IDE, right?
Wrong! As per my usual superstitions about things not working when you pack up your tools before you test the machine, I left the case open when I fired the thing up. Little did I know, I really was FIRING the machine up. The kids were leaning forward strainging to see the fan inside spin around and then this cloud just started to pour out from the innards of the machine! The kids let out a collective scream as the tower just went up like it was made out of newsprint or something. The teachers were gasping, I was stunned, and the kids were crying; it was absolute anarchy! Within what must have only been a few seconds but seemed like an eternity, reality kicked in and I realized that this was an event that was actually occurring. It was also at this point that the sprinkler system apparantly took notice of what was going on. Yes thats right, this double-wide trailer filled with wife-beater t-shirt wearing redheaded step-children not only had enough money for a computer, but also a goddamned sprinkler system!
I already had that infernal device(sorry for the pun) in my hands, the power cord yanked out the back, and was running the three steps to the door when the sprinkler system went off and oh my god those things can put out quite a bit of water! I took the machine, kicked the door open to the place and threw the damned thing outside into, of course, a 2 foot mound of snow no less. The kids all ran out behind me, into the freezing cold, completely soaked from head to toe. The situation went from bad to worse when the sprinkler system wouldn't shut off and no one knew where the water lines were.
The "fire department" arrived pretty quickly but I'm pretty sure HE was drunk or on crystal meth or something because he got out of his pickup truck and ran INTO the trailer without talking to anyone, without any gear. He screamed *something* from inside the trailer, ran back outside, got back in his truck, and literally did a burn-out(sorry for the pun again) as he sped away.
The rest of the story involves me hanging out for a few hours with a crapload of Opie lookalikes stuffed my car trying not to die of exposure and me wondering if I was going to jail and asking myself, "I'm getting paid how much an hour again?"
His next film is about the Health Care industry entitled 'Sicko'. It was slated for a 2005 release but I think it has been pushed back to 2006.
/. readers have considered Eisner to be one of those 'evil corporate' types for several years now.
What I found interesting was during the time of the brouhaha with disney and Michael Eisner, Moore was quoted in some paper (too lazy to look it up) as saying something to the effect of 'it's a shame this happened because I never considered Eisner to be one of the evil corporate types and I rather liked him'. It kind of blew me away because myself and quite a few
I'm guessing a DMCA movie probably won't be coming out of Moore as he seems a bit uninformed on the topic.
So how do we convince Lessig to do a documentary?
Three more marines are dead from another attack this morning.
I'm going to go with the pessimistic attitude because I already know that numbers coming out the government are skewed heavily to favor the administration.
We saw it just recently with the terrorism report. we saw it when tabulating the 'estimates' of the amount of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
We saw it when the administration intentionally withheld the true figures for the new Medicare/prescription card bill.
We saw it when the administration skewed and suppressed environmental research to support their own agenda.
So why shouldn't I be a pessimist? Why should I take *anything* the administration issues with a grain of salt? At this point I'm more inclined to believe the rantings of my toothless great uncle on the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids than I would believe the current administration.
Check out:
http://handsonhowto.com/pmail200.html
about 1/3 of the way down.
'Robert S.' -- Robert S. McNamara
'Rumsfeld' -- Donald H. Rumsfeld
A play on their names to associate the two together.
McNamara being the Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War during its big ramp up phase.
Rumsfeld of course, being the Secretary of Defense during the Iraq war, presumably, during its own ramp up phase.
Yup, I've seen it before (repeatedly) with /etc/modprobe.conf getting corrupted because of a system restart during init. Switch the partition over to xfs or ext3 and it doesn't occur.