your attitude seems to me that the penalty for vandalism and assault ought to be death. Not only death but death without a jury, a trial, a lawyer, a sentence. No chance at appeals or the opportunity to call witnesses or defend yourself. In your eyes if a person commits vandalism then he or she ought to be summarily executed by any police officer who happens to be at the scene.
Unfortunately there are plenty of people like you in this world and that's why brutal opression exists all over the planet.
"ut that's not to say that there aren't some people who still believe in the fundamental concepts of Socialism"
I would think most christians fall under this category. It seems like Christ was very big on helping the less fortunate and spreading the wealth around. In fact I think he might have said at one time "it is harder for a rich man to go to heaven then a camel to go through the eye of a needle". If the quote is not right please forgive me I am an atheist. It's just something I have heard attributed to him.
The corporation is guilty and should be punished. The punishment for this ought to be dissolving of the corporation and seizure of it's assets. The executives are guilty because it was they who made the decisions and used the corporation to commit crimes they should be jailed. The shareholders are guilty because they did not restrain their corporation and did not exercize their duty monitor and influence their corporation. The executives were serving the shareholders after all. They will be punished when the assets of the corporation are seized and the value of their shares go to zero.
Now maybe a small minded stupid fuck thinks that this is rich envy but that's because the idiot apparently thinks that all rich people commit crimes. Or maybe the moron is incapable of understanding that the legal system has already determined that these people acted in a criminal manner. Perhaps the dimwit thinks it's wrong to punish criminals who are rich because "they commit less crimes then any random 10,000 people" but I hope to god stupid shitheads like that never get in power. We in this country already let the Rich get away with murder.
Considering that Apache is the most widely used web server you'd think it would be attacked more. OK maybe the apache folk are nice and ethical people who don't call people comminists or un-american and therefore don't piss off as many people but still a kiddie is not that selective.
Who can find anything on that insane web site. I know I have read an interview by an MS executive who said that. That was the talking point a while back when MS was talking up TCO.
I guess it depends on your choice of apps doesn't it. I use apache, proftpd, djbdns, and qmail (I don't run a news server). As far as I know there was a hack of proftpd in the last couple of years, an apache hack and nothing on qmail or djbdns. So a couple of the apps I sued needed to be updated at least once in the last year. Not too bad if you ask me especially considering apt-get upgrade and apt-get update are so easy to perform. Lucky for me I have literally dozens of high quality open source apps to choose from to run my services. I think I made the right choices by and large.
All in all I would put up the record of my apps against MS suite any day.
You can't sue MS (they are bigger then the govt prectically). But you can probably sue and company which uses IIS and stores your personal data. If that comapny was using IIS and they failed to patch their system then they have been criminally negligent in their duties. A few suits and all companies will drop IIS like a hot potato.
Everybody wins.
Most people in the world will not be able to avoid.NET. Windows XP fill force to use the MS internet wheather they like it or not. You don't really think MS will try to win on technology alone or a superior product do you? Bundle, bundle, bundle that's how MS wins.
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The list of abuses of the consumer, their competitors, and their partners is a long one. The fact that MS makes insecure operating systems and applications is just one very minor abuse in a haystack full of criminal and unethical behaviours.
"Now, if you're gonna criticize microsoft, put your money where your mouth is, and write your own operating system"
This is where you are way off base. The proper response to criminality is not to make yourself a better person. The proper response is to hold that criminal responsible for their actions and the remove them from society so that they can not harm others. MS is a criminal organization. They have been tried and found guilty and that guilt has been upheld in the appalate courts. Not only that but several executives who have committed crimes (evidence tampering, witness intimidation, perjury) etc who need to be charged and tried and if found guilty spend some jail time.
Yes we should educate, yes we should write better software but that should not be in response to crimes committed by Bill gates and his cohorts.
It's OK to have a monopoly (at least it's legal). The problem is that MS is guilty of abusing it's monopoly in a CRIMINAL manner. We don't let felons vote but we let criminal corporations continue to perpetuate their crimes.
At this point other then taking the law into our hands there is not much anybody can do. It's clear the justice system is corrupted to the core and refuse to punish MS for it's crimes in a significant way.
I agree that the time to whine is over it's time to do something. Maybe go see what the going price on fertilizer is and rent a Rider. It's the only thing that can even hope to stop MS from committing it's crimes.
Industrial espionage, identity theft, blackmail, and general deltree/Y mayhem but whatever floats your boat. The last thing I'd want to do would be actually fix the idiots system.
Since I happen to use debian I am subscribed to the security listserve.
Once again. Let's count the number of remote expoits for apache and IIS and decide which system is more secure. So far you have pointed out two defects. One in 1988 which was a worm and one recently which allowed directory listings (but no code excution). I'd say that's an admirable track record.
Wehn confronted with these facts any sysadmin who continues to use a insecure system like IIS is criminally negligent. Any organization which chooses to deploy such an unsecure web server ought to be sued.
You really think that your average windows luser moron will actually put two and two together? Come now get real. They will probably just hit the home button so they can go to MSN and catch up with the latest Britteny Spears news.
According to the MS web site you don't need "expensive unix sysadmins" to install, configure and run MS servers. They tell their customers that sysadmins are not needed. You can't blame the clueless PHBs of the world when they believe MS can you? It hasn't occured to them that a MS employee who hasn't told ten lies by lunch will automatically be fired.
"So after the last 20 root exploits of Linux and Apache, we shouldn't use that either?"
Of course you shouldn't, especially if they happened within a short period of time. Why would you use any insecure system? If linux and apache got rooted as much as IIS you can bet your ass I'd drop it like a hot potato and move on to something else. There must be a thousand web servers out there both open source and commercial anybody who willingly uses an insecure one is just plain stupid at best and criminally negligent at worst.
Yes because MS does nto have enough programmers or enough money or enough computers to actually do this themselves. We should all roll up our sleeves and provide free labor for MS. Of course we should also ignore them when they call us communists, an-american and a "cancer". After all they need our help in fixing their broken systems.
Look fuckhead you need to go back and re-read the thread. You do understand english don't you.
Now in case your tiny little brain don't get it.
MS is able to remotely break any app they want by making a change or two in any of their own dlls. Once they break the app in question they can then blacklist the app because "it crashes too much".
Just because you have opera working right now does not mean anything. If any application gets broad consumer appeal then MS will break that app and blacklist it. Opera is not a threat so of course it works OK.
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your attitude seems to me that the penalty for vandalism and assault ought to be death. Not only death but death without a jury, a trial, a lawyer, a sentence. No chance at appeals or the opportunity to call witnesses or defend yourself. In your eyes if a person commits vandalism then he or she ought to be summarily executed by any police officer who happens to be at the scene.
Unfortunately there are plenty of people like you in this world and that's why brutal opression exists all over the planet.
"ut that's not to say that there aren't some people who still believe in the fundamental concepts of Socialism"
I would think most christians fall under this category. It seems like Christ was very big on helping the less fortunate and spreading the wealth around. In fact I think he might have said at one time "it is harder for a rich man to go to heaven then a camel to go through the eye of a needle". If the quote is not right please forgive me I am an atheist. It's just something I have heard attributed to him.
There are filesystems which support ACLs you ought to look into them. As you stated there are also capability systems you can implement.
Weather to chroot services or not is a decision made by the sysadmin.
Don't hold your breath. You think a post critisizing MS will get modded up? On slashdot? Yea right! The MS posse will soon mod it down.
The corporation is guilty and should be punished. The punishment for this ought to be dissolving of the corporation and seizure of it's assets. The executives are guilty because it was they who made the decisions and used the corporation to commit crimes they should be jailed. The shareholders are guilty because they did not restrain their corporation and did not exercize their duty monitor and influence their corporation. The executives were serving the shareholders after all. They will be punished when the assets of the corporation are seized and the value of their shares go to zero.
Now maybe a small minded stupid fuck thinks that this is rich envy but that's because the idiot apparently thinks that all rich people commit crimes. Or maybe the moron is incapable of understanding that the legal system has already determined that these people acted in a criminal manner. Perhaps the dimwit thinks it's wrong to punish criminals who are rich because "they commit less crimes then any random 10,000 people" but I hope to god stupid shitheads like that never get in power. We in this country already let the Rich get away with murder.
Considering that Apache is the most widely used web server you'd think it would be attacked more. OK maybe the apache folk are nice and ethical people who don't call people comminists or un-american and therefore don't piss off as many people but still a kiddie is not that selective.
Who can find anything on that insane web site. I know I have read an interview by an MS executive who said that. That was the talking point a while back when MS was talking up TCO.
Most services can be jailed.
BTW Linux has permission systems if you choose to implement them. Unlike the windows world we get choices.
I guess it depends on your choice of apps doesn't it. I use apache, proftpd, djbdns, and qmail (I don't run a news server). As far as I know there was a hack of proftpd in the last couple of years, an apache hack and nothing on qmail or djbdns. So a couple of the apps I sued needed to be updated at least once in the last year. Not too bad if you ask me especially considering apt-get upgrade and apt-get update are so easy to perform. Lucky for me I have literally dozens of high quality open source apps to choose from to run my services. I think I made the right choices by and large.
All in all I would put up the record of my apps against MS suite any day.
Is he still using it? The answer to that question really determines weather or not he is a dufus.
You can't sue MS (they are bigger then the govt prectically). But you can probably sue and company which uses IIS and stores your personal data. If that comapny was using IIS and they failed to patch their system then they have been criminally negligent in their duties. A few suits and all companies will drop IIS like a hot potato.
Everybody wins.
Most people in the world will not be able to avoid .NET. Windows XP fill force to use the MS internet wheather they like it or not. You don't really think MS will try to win on technology alone or a superior product do you? Bundle, bundle, bundle that's how MS wins.
The list of abuses of the consumer, their competitors, and their partners is a long one. The fact that MS makes insecure operating systems and applications is just one very minor abuse in a haystack full of criminal and unethical behaviours.
"Now, if you're gonna criticize microsoft, put your money where your mouth is, and write your own operating system"
This is where you are way off base. The proper response to criminality is not to make yourself a better person. The proper response is to hold that criminal responsible for their actions and the remove them from society so that they can not harm others. MS is a criminal organization. They have been tried and found guilty and that guilt has been upheld in the appalate courts. Not only that but several executives who have committed crimes (evidence tampering, witness intimidation, perjury) etc who need to be charged and tried and if found guilty spend some jail time.
Yes we should educate, yes we should write better software but that should not be in response to crimes committed by Bill gates and his cohorts.
It's OK to have a monopoly (at least it's legal). The problem is that MS is guilty of abusing it's monopoly in a CRIMINAL manner. We don't let felons vote but we let criminal corporations continue to perpetuate their crimes.
At this point other then taking the law into our hands there is not much anybody can do. It's clear the justice system is corrupted to the core and refuse to punish MS for it's crimes in a significant way.
I agree that the time to whine is over it's time to do something. Maybe go see what the going price on fertilizer is and rent a Rider. It's the only thing that can even hope to stop MS from committing it's crimes.
Well I was thinking more along the lines of.
/Y mayhem but whatever floats your boat. The last thing I'd want to do would be actually fix the idiots system.
Industrial espionage, identity theft, blackmail, and general deltree
Since I happen to use debian I am subscribed to the security listserve.
Once again. Let's count the number of remote expoits for apache and IIS and decide which system is more secure. So far you have pointed out two defects. One in 1988 which was a worm and one recently which allowed directory listings (but no code excution). I'd say that's an admirable track record.
Wehn confronted with these facts any sysadmin who continues to use a insecure system like IIS is criminally negligent. Any organization which chooses to deploy such an unsecure web server ought to be sued.
Every system shows an occational defect. With MS it's an epidemic. Every week it's a new exploit.
You really think that your average windows luser moron will actually put two and two together? Come now get real. They will probably just hit the home button so they can go to MSN and catch up with the latest Britteny Spears news.
"Now that they have the backdoors, though, how hard would it be to patch them remotely?"
Why bother? can't you think of more interesting things to do with their computer?
According to the MS web site you don't need "expensive unix sysadmins" to install, configure and run MS servers. They tell their customers that sysadmins are not needed. You can't blame the clueless PHBs of the world when they believe MS can you? It hasn't occured to them that a MS employee who hasn't told ten lies by lunch will automatically be fired.
"So after the last 20 root exploits of Linux and Apache, we shouldn't use that either?"
Of course you shouldn't, especially if they happened within a short period of time. Why would you use any insecure system? If linux and apache got rooted as much as IIS you can bet your ass I'd drop it like a hot potato and move on to something else. There must be a thousand web servers out there both open source and commercial anybody who willingly uses an insecure one is just plain stupid at best and criminally negligent at worst.
Yes because MS does nto have enough programmers or enough money or enough computers to actually do this themselves. We should all roll up our sleeves and provide free labor for MS. Of course we should also ignore them when they call us communists, an-american and a "cancer". After all they need our help in fixing their broken systems.
Wow that was in 1988. I'd say it's a pretty good record.
Let's count the number of IIS remote hacks and the number of apache remote hacks and see who wins.
I can't believe people trust their businesses to this crap. That's just too funny.
Look fuckhead you need to go back and re-read the thread. You do understand english don't you.
Now in case your tiny little brain don't get it.
MS is able to remotely break any app they want by making a change or two in any of their own dlls. Once they break the app in question they can then blacklist the app because "it crashes too much".
Just because you have opera working right now does not mean anything. If any application gets broad consumer appeal then MS will break that app and blacklist it. Opera is not a threat so of course it works OK.