If you are going to have to learn a new language why not learn perl or php. They are both easier to pick up then C++ or Delphi. As a bonus you won't have to use two languages to build your web site.
Learning MTS and COM+ is about a hundred times harder then learnin PHP. All your MTS objects must be written in a object oriented way and must be very carefully written to maintain transactional integrity. In fact if you need to do anything even slightly complex it's best written in C++. Is your ASP developer proficient in writing MTS/COM+ objects in C++?
You can pick up PHP in a couple of days. Using ASP + MTS + COM+ requires a developer with at least two years under his belt.
You can not compare the two technologies. You should compare MTS to J2EE that would be a closer technology.
Are you claiming CDONTS is easier to use then the php mail command?
Here is the best reason NOT to use ASP.
SQL = "Select " & fieldlist & " from " & tablename & " where " & fieldname & " = " & fieldvalue & " ORDER by " & sortfield & ";"
in PHP
$sql= "select $fieldlist
from $tablename
where $fieldname = $fieldvalue
order by $sortfield"
Which would you rather maintain?
After the 10 thousandth ampersand I want to just smash my monitor to pieces. In my job I have switch from php or perl to VB very frequently and I just want to stick needles in my eye whenever I am forced to use VB. Yes I am forced to use VB in my asp pages because
1) MS says it's prefered and the management believes them.
2) The idiots that manage the web site don't know anything else.
I could give you a hundred other examples but really that one reason is enough.
The components are all out of process activeX calls. Every control called adds lots of overhead to the ASP page and ASP is nothing more then a framework for calling activeX components.
You can call activeX objects from PHP or perl too and you can use perl in ASP.
In the context of this article I'd say ASP has no place. It's not a language, it's not platfrom independent, and it's on it's way out. ASP will be replaced by.NET pretty soon why bother reviewing it?
"yet the editors here feel we should make donations via PayPal to keep this company afloat. Does this mean that these rules are only supposed to apply to non-Linux related companies? "
Well yes. You judge companies the same way you judge people. If they are nice people doing nice things and they need a hand you help them out. If they are morons then you don't hang out with them and you point at them and call them morons. Why should we treat every single company exactly the same?
I don't disagree with you. Of course the 10% provides more revenue. But for the 90% of the businesses in the world who have less then a few hundred employees postgres or interbase is great. In the mac world you have openbase or frontbase both of which are quite capable and cheap. For most businesses SQL server is overkill and a waste of money. they would be just fine with an open source product and they could always upgrade later on if they need to.
30K where? In NY or SF or LA or in most large citites in the US 30K is poverty wages. No matter where I lived I bet I would pay more for sushi in one year then a teacher makes. Like I said I am always amazed when a teacher gives a shit about anything. I know if I was working for those wages I would have serious attitude problem.
because it only has one sylable and it's a generic term. Notice that I actually did not drink coke. All that advertising and I still did not buy their product. Neither did I refuse to do business with the establishment. I also did not tell the manager that I wanted a coke. That is because I did not really care weather it was coke or pepsi. Advertising is supposed to make want the product and their advertising did not.
Who says "I would like a carbonated beverage" or "I would like a cola" they say coke when they mean any carbonated beverage dark in color and sweet" but it's easier to say coke. Actually I ususally say "pop" because most places only carry one brand.
"In an entirely unrelated point, notice that the same guy then sings the praises of Oracle for involving itself with free software, while they keep their DB entirely proprietary and shackled with the sort of licensing MS would be roundly denounced for."
What's wrong with that. You judge companies the same way you judge people. If somebody is a decent guy and but has a bad habit (maybe he smokes) you don't go around bitching about the smoking. If another person is an evil bastard who likes to beat up on everybody then you may mention the fact that along with being an evil basted he also smokes.
MS is an admitted enemy of open source. Oracle wants to be friends and is trying to get to know them better. Of course you would critisize people who call you communist, un american and hippies and would prefer to hang out with people who think you might be OK to go to the movies with.
I agree with everything you said except for one thing. It won't take years. Great Bridge, nusphere, borland, SAP etc are already providing serious support for open source databases. Postgres has gone through two MAJOR revisions in under a year during which time it gathered an astonishing number of enterprise features including a few which oracle does not offer.
My guess is that in two years nobody will be able to charge for databases. MS-SQL server is being squeezed from the bottom by open source and from the top by oracle and IBM. I predict that pretty soon they'll pull an IE and give theing away in order to cut the air supply of oracle. Oracle will have to drastically cut their prices or open source it just to spite MS.
Ok i'll buy that. If you need massive scalibility then you ought to go with oracle. But that's only 10% of the businesses in the world. For everybody else in this world postgres or interbase will do just fine and won't cost a dime. Interbase is especially attractive for the windows crowd because it's got lots of great GUI tools.
Why should a teacher give rat's ass on the puny salary they make. I am amazed that they show up at school at all. Where I live a teacher makes about 15K. Man I spend more money on sushi every year!.
Yea go ahead and fire them see if you can find replacement suckers.
"And, come now, is this at all *news*? Bullying has been a part of schooling since schools were invented."
You may not be aware of it but there is a concept called progress. You see once a long time ago people kept other people as slaves. Then progress happened and that practice was seen as bad and was stopped. Just because bullying has been going on for years that does not mean it's right or proper behaviour for schoolchildren.
BTW I really would have shed no tears if he had plugged the bastards right then and there. It would have served them right and it would have discouraged further bullying. If the teachers and and the administrators don't stop it then I guess it's up to the students.
If nobody is willing to talk to katz except the boy then katz can only write from one perspective. He tried to get the other side of the story and they told him to fuck off. He wrote what he knew.
Not talking has it's consequences too.
Yea you already stated your theory. You seem to be under the impression that the actual cost of advertised is NOT in the product being sold.
If the advertising fails or succeeds the monies spent on it have to be recouped somehow and it's in the product. As for your "stronger brand" theory I don't buy it. Both Coke and Pepsi spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising and to what result? Here let me spell it out for you.
"Hi I'd like a burger and a coke please"
"sorry we only have pepsi"
"yea fine whatever"
Like it makes a freakin difference!. If the advertising caused me to walk out of the joint or demand to talk to the owner that would be one thing but to 99% of the people in the world it's just sugar water.
It's not unethical it's the american way.
When faced with stricter environmental controls the chamber went to their puppet in washington and said "it costs too much to make our factories run cleaner" and the their puppet relaxed the clean air requirements.
When faced with increased costs to prevent RSI the chamber went to their puppet and said "it costs too much to buy ergnomic keyboards and chairs" and the puppet dropped the law.
In America it's perfectly OK to say "it costs too much to do the right thing". Good and right have to be balanced with the cost of doing the good and right thing. It's all a cost benefir analysis. The only difference of course is that I don't have a puppet in washington.
"The rich either have worked harder or have had their risks pay off. This is not an injustice."
Statisticly most rich people have inherited their fortune. they neither worked hard nor took risks (unless you thing riding the polo pony after a scotch is kinda risky).
And guess what since the only way to get money is to either print it or convince someone else to give it to you then the rich did get their money from the poor. Bill gates got to be rich by people giving him money for windows. Money always flows from the poor to the rich. Frequently if the uphill flow goes unchecked the number of poor incease so much that they end up killing the rich. So far societies have set up mechanisms to keep this from happening through taxes as welfare and such. The idea is to keep milking the cow without killing it. Keep that money flowing, keep the number of poor to a managable lever, keep the poor entertained by religion or television so that they get distracted. It works very well in the U.S. Everybody thinks they are middle class and everybody thinks they can get rich only if they tried hard enough. Statisticly of course they have a better chance of getting hit by lighning. Most of us will stay in the wroking class all our lives. No rolex, no mercedes, no penthouse suite in manhattan.
Not buying something deprives the artist or wallmart in the exact same way as copying the CD does. Every CD that you don't buy deprives the artists of profit that "could have made".
So if don't buy the album because I don't like it then I am not a criminal.
If I don't buy the album because I can listen to the one decent song on the album from my computer then I am a criminal and should be locked up.
Red hat does not profit from my code. They profit from service and other code that they themselves own (some of which they have given back to us). Bill Gates has enough money and does not need my puny code. He has thousands of very well paid programmers that are perfectly capable of producing their own code. I have absolutely ZERO interest in making MS products better (that's their job). I have ZERO interest in helping Bill Gates make yet another 100 billion dollars.
Screw MS they are just another corporation. They hire PR firms and advertising agencies to tell the entire world what a bunch of swell people they are and how their servers never crash and how their products play nice with others (all lies of course). But if I tell the truth then I am "bashing" them. Well they are lucky I am not a billionaire and I can't afford PR firms because then the truth would be broadcast on the airwaves.
Nike does not need my help making sneakers (they have 14 year old girls for that), Miller does not need my help to make their crappy beer, and MS does not need my help to write their crappy software.
What kind of moron advocates that we help corporations make their products for free? Why don't you go to Ford and mop their floors or paint their body panels for free? I am sure they would love to fire their janitors and have you do their work.
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If you are going to have to learn a new language why not learn perl or php. They are both easier to pick up then C++ or Delphi. As a bonus you won't have to use two languages to build your web site.
Learning MTS and COM+ is about a hundred times harder then learnin PHP. All your MTS objects must be written in a object oriented way and must be very carefully written to maintain transactional integrity. In fact if you need to do anything even slightly complex it's best written in C++. Is your ASP developer proficient in writing MTS/COM+ objects in C++?
You can pick up PHP in a couple of days. Using ASP + MTS + COM+ requires a developer with at least two years under his belt.
You can not compare the two technologies. You should compare MTS to J2EE that would be a closer technology.
Are you claiming CDONTS is easier to use then the php mail command?
Here is the best reason NOT to use ASP.
SQL = "Select " & fieldlist & " from " & tablename & " where " & fieldname & " = " & fieldvalue & " ORDER by " & sortfield & ";"
in PHP
$sql= "select $fieldlist
from $tablename
where $fieldname = $fieldvalue
order by $sortfield"
Which would you rather maintain?
After the 10 thousandth ampersand I want to just smash my monitor to pieces. In my job I have switch from php or perl to VB very frequently and I just want to stick needles in my eye whenever I am forced to use VB. Yes I am forced to use VB in my asp pages because
1) MS says it's prefered and the management believes them.
2) The idiots that manage the web site don't know anything else.
I could give you a hundred other examples but really that one reason is enough.
The components are all out of process activeX calls. Every control called adds lots of overhead to the ASP page and ASP is nothing more then a framework for calling activeX components.
.NET pretty soon why bother reviewing it?
You can call activeX objects from PHP or perl too and you can use perl in ASP.
In the context of this article I'd say ASP has no place. It's not a language, it's not platfrom independent, and it's on it's way out. ASP will be replaced by
I'd be interested in your views of enhydra VS velocity. Did you try enhydra and reject it?
They are not immature just evil. People running these coporations are the spawn of the devil.
"yet the editors here feel we should make donations via PayPal to keep this company afloat. Does this mean that these rules are only supposed to apply to non-Linux related companies? "
Well yes. You judge companies the same way you judge people. If they are nice people doing nice things and they need a hand you help them out. If they are morons then you don't hang out with them and you point at them and call them morons. Why should we treat every single company exactly the same?
Damn those people with principles. Why can't everybody be like me.
I don't disagree with you. Of course the 10% provides more revenue. But for the 90% of the businesses in the world who have less then a few hundred employees postgres or interbase is great. In the mac world you have openbase or frontbase both of which are quite capable and cheap. For most businesses SQL server is overkill and a waste of money. they would be just fine with an open source product and they could always upgrade later on if they need to.
30K where? In NY or SF or LA or in most large citites in the US 30K is poverty wages. No matter where I lived I bet I would pay more for sushi in one year then a teacher makes. Like I said I am always amazed when a teacher gives a shit about anything. I know if I was working for those wages I would have serious attitude problem.
Schools won't discourage bullying until a bully actually gets killed. remember most bullies are football stars and can not be disciplined at all.
because it only has one sylable and it's a generic term. Notice that I actually did not drink coke. All that advertising and I still did not buy their product. Neither did I refuse to do business with the establishment. I also did not tell the manager that I wanted a coke. That is because I did not really care weather it was coke or pepsi. Advertising is supposed to make want the product and their advertising did not.
Who says "I would like a carbonated beverage" or "I would like a cola" they say coke when they mean any carbonated beverage dark in color and sweet" but it's easier to say coke. Actually I ususally say "pop" because most places only carry one brand.
Even if you spent a billion the costs even out when you consider how many copies of MS word are bought every couple of years.
"In an entirely unrelated point, notice that the same guy then sings the praises of Oracle for involving itself with free software, while they keep their DB entirely proprietary and shackled with the sort of licensing MS would be roundly denounced for."
What's wrong with that. You judge companies the same way you judge people. If somebody is a decent guy and but has a bad habit (maybe he smokes) you don't go around bitching about the smoking. If another person is an evil bastard who likes to beat up on everybody then you may mention the fact that along with being an evil basted he also smokes.
MS is an admitted enemy of open source. Oracle wants to be friends and is trying to get to know them better. Of course you would critisize people who call you communist, un american and hippies and would prefer to hang out with people who think you might be OK to go to the movies with.
I agree with everything you said except for one thing. It won't take years. Great Bridge, nusphere, borland, SAP etc are already providing serious support for open source databases. Postgres has gone through two MAJOR revisions in under a year during which time it gathered an astonishing number of enterprise features including a few which oracle does not offer.
My guess is that in two years nobody will be able to charge for databases. MS-SQL server is being squeezed from the bottom by open source and from the top by oracle and IBM. I predict that pretty soon they'll pull an IE and give theing away in order to cut the air supply of oracle. Oracle will have to drastically cut their prices or open source it just to spite MS.
Ok i'll buy that. If you need massive scalibility then you ought to go with oracle. But that's only 10% of the businesses in the world. For everybody else in this world postgres or interbase will do just fine and won't cost a dime. Interbase is especially attractive for the windows crowd because it's got lots of great GUI tools.
Why should a teacher give rat's ass on the puny salary they make. I am amazed that they show up at school at all. Where I live a teacher makes about 15K. Man I spend more money on sushi every year!.
Yea go ahead and fire them see if you can find replacement suckers.
"And, come now, is this at all *news*? Bullying has been a part of schooling since schools were invented."
You may not be aware of it but there is a concept called progress. You see once a long time ago people kept other people as slaves. Then progress happened and that practice was seen as bad and was stopped. Just because bullying has been going on for years that does not mean it's right or proper behaviour for schoolchildren.
BTW I really would have shed no tears if he had plugged the bastards right then and there. It would have served them right and it would have discouraged further bullying. If the teachers and and the administrators don't stop it then I guess it's up to the students.
If nobody is willing to talk to katz except the boy then katz can only write from one perspective. He tried to get the other side of the story and they told him to fuck off. He wrote what he knew.
Not talking has it's consequences too.
Yea you already stated your theory. You seem to be under the impression that the actual cost of advertised is NOT in the product being sold.
If the advertising fails or succeeds the monies spent on it have to be recouped somehow and it's in the product. As for your "stronger brand" theory I don't buy it. Both Coke and Pepsi spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising and to what result? Here let me spell it out for you.
"Hi I'd like a burger and a coke please"
"sorry we only have pepsi"
"yea fine whatever"
Like it makes a freakin difference!. If the advertising caused me to walk out of the joint or demand to talk to the owner that would be one thing but to 99% of the people in the world it's just sugar water.
It's not unethical it's the american way.
When faced with stricter environmental controls the chamber went to their puppet in washington and said "it costs too much to make our factories run cleaner" and the their puppet relaxed the clean air requirements.
When faced with increased costs to prevent RSI the chamber went to their puppet and said "it costs too much to buy ergnomic keyboards and chairs" and the puppet dropped the law.
In America it's perfectly OK to say "it costs too much to do the right thing". Good and right have to be balanced with the cost of doing the good and right thing. It's all a cost benefir analysis. The only difference of course is that I don't have a puppet in washington.
"The rich either have worked harder or have had their risks pay off. This is not an injustice."
Statisticly most rich people have inherited their fortune. they neither worked hard nor took risks (unless you thing riding the polo pony after a scotch is kinda risky).
And guess what since the only way to get money is to either print it or convince someone else to give it to you then the rich did get their money from the poor. Bill gates got to be rich by people giving him money for windows. Money always flows from the poor to the rich. Frequently if the uphill flow goes unchecked the number of poor incease so much that they end up killing the rich. So far societies have set up mechanisms to keep this from happening through taxes as welfare and such. The idea is to keep milking the cow without killing it. Keep that money flowing, keep the number of poor to a managable lever, keep the poor entertained by religion or television so that they get distracted. It works very well in the U.S. Everybody thinks they are middle class and everybody thinks they can get rich only if they tried hard enough. Statisticly of course they have a better chance of getting hit by lighning. Most of us will stay in the wroking class all our lives. No rolex, no mercedes, no penthouse suite in manhattan.
Not buying something deprives the artist or wallmart in the exact same way as copying the CD does. Every CD that you don't buy deprives the artists of profit that "could have made".
So if don't buy the album because I don't like it then I am not a criminal.
If I don't buy the album because I can listen to the one decent song on the album from my computer then I am a criminal and should be locked up.
I guess intent is everything.
"Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons."
Oh man I can't resists...
Microsoft
Where I work
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United States of America
Washington DC
Red hat does not profit from my code. They profit from service and other code that they themselves own (some of which they have given back to us). Bill Gates has enough money and does not need my puny code. He has thousands of very well paid programmers that are perfectly capable of producing their own code. I have absolutely ZERO interest in making MS products better (that's their job). I have ZERO interest in helping Bill Gates make yet another 100 billion dollars.
Screw MS they are just another corporation. They hire PR firms and advertising agencies to tell the entire world what a bunch of swell people they are and how their servers never crash and how their products play nice with others (all lies of course). But if I tell the truth then I am "bashing" them. Well they are lucky I am not a billionaire and I can't afford PR firms because then the truth would be broadcast on the airwaves.
Nike does not need my help making sneakers (they have 14 year old girls for that), Miller does not need my help to make their crappy beer, and MS does not need my help to write their crappy software.
What kind of moron advocates that we help corporations make their products for free? Why don't you go to Ford and mop their floors or paint their body panels for free? I am sure they would love to fire their janitors and have you do their work.