Once again when the task in hand is inherently visual (actually viewing something inside of an archive) then of course a GUI is more helpful. Also when the GUI is helpful if you want a beginner to be able to do something. But If the task is non visual (archive all files that have a last modified date of 120 or more days) then the CLI is more powerful. I for one think a hybird system is needed but have seen nothing that even comes close. Perhaps something like an IDE code completion or the bash tab would work. Imagine if bash could present you with the options for find as you type.
Yes for the few people that need that you should get a linux box running a dual alpha or a sparc or something. Running intel processors for "real" computational power is a waste of money.
Well poor people tend to have more time then money. Also linux runs good on older PCs. You could get a decent linux box for about two to three hundred dollars so it's an easy entry for most families. If you are thinking about buying your kid a computer you can save money and get your kid really learning how a computer works (instead of learning how to click buttons).
XML is useless if people can't agree on context. By actively working to break standards MS is seeking to destroy any value XML may have. If I have to write a different parser for evey vendor who want's to communicate with me why not just use delimited files or something less bloated and complicated.
Shell command are not arcane just different. In fact once you learn the language they make perfect sense. Think about the sample he gave? How long would it take accomplish the same task using a gui? Is it even possible? It's so much easier to type a command then to go through page after page of a complex gui interface. This becomes especially important when you have many things to do like import 50 text files into a database for example. If you were stuck with SQL server you'd have to run the DTS wizard 50 times clicking 10 to 15 times per file. If you were using postgres you'd write a 10 or 20 line shell or perl script.
You see people confuse easy to learn with easy to use. CLI is hard to learn but once proficient you become incredibly productive. GUI is easier to learn but your productivity never raises above a novice.
it's probably preferable to use an open source product because you know there are no backdoors. How many people working for MS have had security clearances run on them? Who knows what some russian, chinese, hindu, israeli, pakistani, or plain old white blond red blooded american put in that code? Maybe there is a backdoor just wating to be opened up by your enemy when the time comes.
Cos the shoddy ones are free. It's a matter of perceived value. Is ms office $400.00 better then star office? is photoshop $700.00 better then gimp. Well not for a lot of people but for some people yes. But they keep gettig better and better and one day it won't be worth the extra money to but office. Office will still be better but not enough to part with $400.00.
When that day comes MS will lower the cost or office will become just-another-office-suite both of which will make me very happy. With the two major cash cows windows and office becoming comodity items windows domination of the tech industry will finally come to an end and they will the just-another-software-company.
Already MS makes more money by buying and selling companies and stock then by selling software so I don't thinkg it's hurt Bill very much but what the hey.
There are bunch ranging from rdist and rsync to more esoteric ones like cfengine. There is also network shell and progeny is working on something that sounds super cool.
except for that nasty ass memory leak that crushes your server every couple of day. Not to mention the extra cost of paying for a NT desktop on every single seat.
If the file they deleted was on a network drive it's also gone on windows. Windows does not save files into the trashcan if the file is on a network drive. With a properly set up linux the sysadmin can restore that file over the wire using telnet and never has to get up from his desk. It's even easier if the comapny was running novell BTW.
"A computer without Windows is useless to them, because they're certainly not going to grok things that even the Linux community deems easy-to-use, like Gnome and KDE."
Hey have you ever seen a Mac? My seventy two year old dad used to have one. he then decided to "upgrade" to an windows machine. Now he calls me twice a week for tech support.
All and all though you are right for the truly stupid of the world there is windows unfortunately most fo the world is stupid. Nobody knows this better then Gates.
Linux does that now with win4lin or wine. In fact linux runs windows software but windows does not run linux software so according to your argument it should be the "standard" desktop. The fact that it's easily afforable by everyone is just icing on the cake.
Any CEO who actually thinks they can sue a software company and win ought to be tarred and fethered by the shareholders. What kind of corporation would hire a CEO that stupid. I say we make a list of CEOs who actually believe that they can sue Microsoft or BEA or SUN and are committed to it enough to spend shareholders maoney on lawyers. We should take that list and post it on a web site so that shareholders can see which companies are run by idiots. If you see any CEO who is willing to go on record saying that they can sue software companies over shoddy workmanship please email me the URL and I'll post it someplace. I swear I will.
"Minimum/Living wages do one of two things, either they increase the cost of goods (increasing inflation, and therefore pricing things outside the wageearner's income) or increase unemployment (therefore increasing poverty and the percentage of unskilled labor in a population)."
Well now this is an interesting statement. In the past few years the minimum wage has been increased several times. According to your theory each time it was raised the inflation rate should have gone up as well as the unemployment rate. In fact is as you say increases in minimum wage actually CAUSES these effects then we should have a rich pool of data. Let's plot inflation and unemployment figures for the previous 30 or 40 years and mark on that plot each year that the miminum wage was raised (AFAIK it has never been actually lowered). If you are right there ought to a definite relation between the two if however you are full of shit and know nothing about this subject then there should be no corrolation at all between inflation and unemployment figures and the minimum wage. Really there is no need to guess, we can know this for a fact one way or another we have the data, we can prove it.
So let me get this straight. A bunch of low paid unskilled temps should lose their right sue corporations and force them to comply with labor laws so that a few highly skilled people making 6 figures can continue to make more money? Is that your argument here?
Hey these people exercized their legal rights, microsoft settled the suit everyone is happy. If MS thought they would win they would have pursued the matter further instead they settled for a few bucks. No biggie.
Anybody can give away 1 or 2% of their net worth. It seems like a lot but let's be honest is he "giving till it hurts" of course not. Bill Gates can give away 99% of his income and still live better then 99% of the population of the planet. Bill gates giving away a billion dollars is like me giving a bum a dollar.
"So what if the mechanics get together and say to the managers that they don't like the working conditions and won't work anymore unless they are
changed."
Ok my anonymous microsoft employee I will tell you what the advantage is.
1) You need to buy an NT workstastaion/W2kPro license for every desktop that runs terminal edition.
2) You can buy massive unix servers that run rings around any intel based quad processor running a puny PCI bus.
3) You might not need those massive server because X is more efficient on server resources enabling more clients served per machine.
4) No need to reboot your server every night.
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Once again when the task in hand is inherently visual (actually viewing something inside of an archive) then of course a GUI is more helpful. Also when the GUI is helpful if you want a beginner to be able to do something. But If the task is non visual (archive all files that have a last modified date of 120 or more days) then the CLI is more powerful. I for one think a hybird system is needed but have seen nothing that even comes close. Perhaps something like an IDE code completion or the bash tab would work. Imagine if bash could present you with the options for find as you type.
What does corel draw need from a kernel?
Yes for the few people that need that you should get a linux box running a dual alpha or a sparc or something. Running intel processors for "real" computational power is a waste of money.
Well poor people tend to have more time then money. Also linux runs good on older PCs. You could get a decent linux box for about two to three hundred dollars so it's an easy entry for most families. If you are thinking about buying your kid a computer you can save money and get your kid really learning how a computer works (instead of learning how to click buttons).
XML is useless if people can't agree on context. By actively working to break standards MS is seeking to destroy any value XML may have. If I have to write a different parser for evey vendor who want's to communicate with me why not just use delimited files or something less bloated and complicated.
Find is pretty damned cool though. Anyhow.
Sure it's more readable but you have to admit it's more typing.
print all systems older then 1 day VS
find -c +1
Shell command are not arcane just different. In fact once you learn the language they make perfect sense. Think about the sample he gave? How long would it take accomplish the same task using a gui? Is it even possible? It's so much easier to type a command then to go through page after page of a complex gui interface. This becomes especially important when you have many things to do like import 50 text files into a database for example. If you were stuck with SQL server you'd have to run the DTS wizard 50 times clicking 10 to 15 times per file. If you were using postgres you'd write a 10 or 20 line shell or perl script.
You see people confuse easy to learn with easy to use. CLI is hard to learn but once proficient you become incredibly productive. GUI is easier to learn but your productivity never raises above a novice.
it's probably preferable to use an open source product because you know there are no backdoors. How many people working for MS have had security clearances run on them? Who knows what some russian, chinese, hindu, israeli, pakistani, or plain old white blond red blooded american put in that code? Maybe there is a backdoor just wating to be opened up by your enemy when the time comes.
Cos the shoddy ones are free. It's a matter of perceived value. Is ms office $400.00 better then star office? is photoshop $700.00 better then gimp. Well not for a lot of people but for some people yes. But they keep gettig better and better and one day it won't be worth the extra money to but office. Office will still be better but not enough to part with $400.00.
When that day comes MS will lower the cost or office will become just-another-office-suite both of which will make me very happy. With the two major cash cows windows and office becoming comodity items windows domination of the tech industry will finally come to an end and they will the just-another-software-company.
Already MS makes more money by buying and selling companies and stock then by selling software so I don't thinkg it's hurt Bill very much but what the hey.
I think plan-9 does these things. maybe you ought to check it out. It goes nuts with the whole "everything is a file" scheme.
Yes calling open source programmers communists is a very mature and adult thing to do.
Do your mom and dad a favor and buy them a mac. The mac is still 10 years ahead of windows in the ease of use dept.
Unfortunately for IT depts and hapless users everywhere a single DLL in a single program can crush your machine like a paper cup.
I for one hope to god there is no linux for dummies if I wanted to use an OS for dummies I'd use windows.
There are bunch ranging from rdist and rsync to more esoteric ones like cfengine. There is also network shell and progeny is working on something that sounds super cool.
except for that nasty ass memory leak that crushes your server every couple of day. Not to mention the extra cost of paying for a NT desktop on every single seat.
If the file they deleted was on a network drive it's also gone on windows. Windows does not save files into the trashcan if the file is on a network drive. With a properly set up linux the sysadmin can restore that file over the wire using telnet and never has to get up from his desk. It's even easier if the comapny was running novell BTW.
Look into it. Your grandfather could use it better then windows yet it will serve your enterprise.
"A computer without Windows is useless to them, because they're certainly not going to grok things that even the Linux community deems easy-to-use, like Gnome and KDE."
Hey have you ever seen a Mac? My seventy two year old dad used to have one. he then decided to "upgrade" to an windows machine. Now he calls me twice a week for tech support.
All and all though you are right for the truly stupid of the world there is windows unfortunately most fo the world is stupid. Nobody knows this better then Gates.
Linux does that now with win4lin or wine. In fact linux runs windows software but windows does not run linux software so according to your argument it should be the "standard" desktop. The fact that it's easily afforable by everyone is just icing on the cake.
Any CEO who actually thinks they can sue a software company and win ought to be tarred and fethered by the shareholders. What kind of corporation would hire a CEO that stupid. I say we make a list of CEOs who actually believe that they can sue Microsoft or BEA or SUN and are committed to it enough to spend shareholders maoney on lawyers. We should take that list and post it on a web site so that shareholders can see which companies are run by idiots. If you see any CEO who is willing to go on record saying that they can sue software companies over shoddy workmanship please email me the URL and I'll post it someplace. I swear I will.
"Minimum/Living wages do one of two things, either they increase the cost of goods (increasing inflation, and therefore pricing things outside the wageearner's income) or increase unemployment (therefore increasing poverty and the percentage of unskilled labor in a population)."
Well now this is an interesting statement. In the past few years the minimum wage has been increased several times. According to your theory each time it was raised the inflation rate should have gone up as well as the unemployment rate. In fact is as you say increases in minimum wage actually CAUSES these effects then we should have a rich pool of data. Let's plot inflation and unemployment figures for the previous 30 or 40 years and mark on that plot each year that the miminum wage was raised (AFAIK it has never been actually lowered). If you are right there ought to a definite relation between the two if however you are full of shit and know nothing about this subject then there should be no corrolation at all between inflation and unemployment figures and the minimum wage. Really there is no need to guess, we can know this for a fact one way or another we have the data, we can prove it.
So let me get this straight. A bunch of low paid unskilled temps should lose their right sue corporations and force them to comply with labor laws so that a few highly skilled people making 6 figures can continue to make more money? Is that your argument here?
Hey these people exercized their legal rights, microsoft settled the suit everyone is happy. If MS thought they would win they would have pursued the matter further instead they settled for a few bucks. No biggie.
Anybody can give away 1 or 2% of their net worth. It seems like a lot but let's be honest is he "giving till it hurts" of course not. Bill Gates can give away 99% of his income and still live better then 99% of the population of the planet. Bill gates giving away a billion dollars is like me giving a bum a dollar.
"So what if the mechanics get together and say to the managers that they don't like the working conditions and won't work anymore unless they are
changed."
Hey isn't that called a union?
Ok my anonymous microsoft employee I will tell you what the advantage is.
1) You need to buy an NT workstastaion/W2kPro license for every desktop that runs terminal edition.
2) You can buy massive unix servers that run rings around any intel based quad processor running a puny PCI bus.
3) You might not need those massive server because X is more efficient on server resources enabling more clients served per machine.
4) No need to reboot your server every night.