"As Sharon put it, "its not easy being a Palestinian". Israel has indeed done a terrible thing, when it placed a military regime in the conquered territories between 1967 and 1987. But you must remmember that this was always a response to terrorist attacks that could not otherwise be prevented."
The answer is simple.
Make the palestenians Israeli citizens. This is what civilized nations do when they invade and occupy some land. We did ti with the Indians, The russians did it with all their republics, the chinese did it with tibet. It's the humane and civilized way to treat human beings under your control
Give the palestenians citizenship with full rights and a vote and they will have no reason to bomb anybody.
I thinks it's unlikely to be Al-Qaida. It's much more likely to be baathists who are secular socialists.
The problem is the US is unable to tell the truth if it's the Baathists because it makes them liars when they say Saddam is defeated. If saddams folloowers are causing mayhem then it's highly embarrassing the the US.
I have no doubt the US will blame this on Al Qaida.
"are to pony up some evidence for your claim? I want to see news reports of someone who died in the street due to a failure in the U.S. health system and then was subsequently swept up by the city."
Every year in every large city in a cold place (detroit, chicago, New York) lots of people die from the cold. They take shelter in the subways and such when they can but inevitably some die and the city comes by and picks up their bodies. It happens all the time.
"They have medical care and then choose not to pay."
If you get hit by a car and end up in the emergency room your medical bill will be in the tens of thousands of dollars. If you need rehab then it could be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Normal people can't pay those kinds of bills so the hospital asks them to declare bankrupcy so they can hit up the state for the bill.
It's broken health care system.
"Perhaps you'd be interested in knowing why drugs are cheaper in other countries. "
No I would not be interested. I was simply pointing out that your point about drugs being more expensive outside the US was false. If the other countries have found a way to burden the US citizens with the cost their drugs more power to them.
"This is the nonsense rhetoric I and him were referring to, and it is absolutely ridiculous. The damage caused by the war was quite mild as far as wars go, and the number of dead was remarkably very few civilians, and the fact is, the naysayers predicted a lot more death and destruction than actually happened. "Impossible to overestimate" is ridiculous."
Thousands of civillians were killed. On top of that tens of thousands of conscripts were killed. Those conscripts may have been technically soldiers but in reality were poor unfortunate slobs whose only crime was to be born a male in a country which the US wanted to invade.
"Furthermore, the Iraqi regime is responsible for far more deaths than were caused by the war"
Maybe maybe not. The estimates from the first gulf were around 200,000 killed. We don't know how many people were killed this time around. But let's put that away for now.
Saddam Killed people since the seventies. Where was your indignation when he was gassing the kurds? where was your indignation when he was gassing the iranians? Where was your indignation when he was brutally cracking down on the Shiites in his own country? My guess is that those things neve bothered you, maybe you were totally ignorant of them while they were happening or maybe it didn't bother you because he doint all that with chemicals bought from us, with intelligence provided by us and with funds from the US.
Bitching and moaning about how many people Saddam killed 20 years after the fact is bullshit, why weren't you backing up the human rights groups that were begging the US to stop funding for Iraq back then?
"Oh sure, you can blame the U.N. sanctions for the deaths related to poor drinking water quality,"
Go ahead and try to minimize it. I am sure it helps your conscience. Lack of food, medicine, water, and crucial infrastructure killed millions. Depleted Uranium caused countless birth defects and cancer.
". 1 Most Israeli deaths are the result of suicide bombings, meaning at least one Palestinian dies in every attack."
They are unarmed, poor, and under opressive occupation. This is the only weapon they have. If they had tanks they would use tanks, if they had helicopters they would use helicopters. If a palestenian has the option of attacking israel and living to tell about it they would but they don't have that choice. These people are using anything they can find be it rocks or home made bombs.
I for one admire them for it. If the US was invaded and occupied by a foreign military (especially one that had a different culture, language and religion) I would hope that all US citizens would take arms to beat them back. Our country if founded on an absolute love of liberty and freedom. "Give me freedom or give me death" and "Don't tread on me".
"2. The Palestinians are far weaker than the Israelis, therefore their attacks are far less effective."
There is no question about that.
"3. The Palestinians have turned down every chance for peace, and the offers have been good compromises on the part of Israel, I've read them."
This is a lie. The palestenians have agreed to everything put in front of them that even remotely sounded fair. From OSLO to the latest roadmap from Bush. The problem is that netierh the Israeli military nor Hamas want peace. They always sabotage it one way or another and the whole thing gfoes up in flames. Also the offers are ridiculus and incencere. Take a look at any offer by the israelis on a palestenians state, go look at a map it's ridiculus. There is not continuity (the 67 borders problem) it's not a country it's a series of neighborshoods divided by israeli land. The most generous offer the israelis put on the table called for 85% of the settlements to remain in place and the entire east jerusalem to remain under Israeli control.
That's not an offer for peace it's a terms for surrender and the palestenians are not ready to surrender yet.
"No. His point was that what he was responding to was nothing more than silly rhetoric ie. he was responding in kind to something that wasn't "facts or arguments.""
Bullshit. Here is the post he was responding to
The trouble was, the US and Britain were not prepared to consider any outcome other than war. A war which killed tens of thousands while doing damage which Paul Bremer indicated a couple of days ago, was almost impossible to overestimate.
Should I help you out pick out a fact or an argument? Here are some.
1) US and Briton were not prepared to consider any argument other then war 2) US and Briton killed tens of thousands of people. 3) US and Briton caused enourmous damage to which the interim king of Iraq (Paul Bremer) recent made a reference to.
"Re: Israel - the U.S. is currently working with both sides to resolve the situation, and whenever progress is made, militant Palistinians do everything in their power to prevent it. I'm not saying I always agree with U.S. policy regarding Israel... My point is just that you're comparing apples and oranges."
Bullshit.
US is clearly pro israeli. It has always been that way, it will always be that way.
I suppose it's easy for you to blame the whole thing on palestenians but that too is pure and utter bullshit.
Try living under occupation by a foreign military for 35 years and they maybe you can make some sort of a judgement. You think living under Israeli occupation is all fun and games? You think widespread poverty, curfews, restrictions of travel, mass arrests, torture, and an occational missile flying into your cities is fun?
For every israeli killed by a palestenian three palestenians are killed.
"After the Dean campaign was presented with clear cut evidence as to the nature of emailresponse.net, they investigated promptly and terminated their relationship with the company that same day.."
How does this make him the "spam king"? Maybe accidental spammer, maybe one-time spammer, maybe apologetic spammer but spam king? What gives? Don't you have any sense of proportion or decency?
I think you just want to slander him by calling him the spam king because you disagree with his politics.
In the US the hospitals don't turn you back if you don't have insurance. However if you ever get sick and don't have insurance you will have to declare bankrupcy afterwards.
You get healed buy you are broke and have no credit afterwards.
The US is going to institute a national health care program for Iraq, a nationalized educational system for iraq, govt controlled water and power monopolies for Iraq, anonymous surfing for the Iranians.
"SQL has proven itself both faster and more stable than Postgres. I'm not a Microsoft fan, but if there's one thing they got right it's SQL Server."
I work with both every day. I don't know why you think they got SQL server right. Lots of lock escalation bullshit, weird locking semantics, goofy functions that only work on some text types and not others, 8K row limit, crappy SP language, the list goes on and on.
Things you totaly take for granted on mysql or postgres trip you up on sql server.
Try passing some XML out of a stored procedure sometime and then tell me how great SQL server is.
1) filled out the compaint form on the SEC. 2) Contacted my AG. 3) Contacted some media outlets like MSNBC (kudlow and kreamer), CNN and the Wall Street Journal.
The Media ploy is a hail mary. Most media today is so rabidly pro corporations they won't ever look into shenanigans but I figured it may be worth trying.
It's not as scalable as oracle or db/2 but at the same time it costs 15K per processor which is a hell of a lot of money.
Postgres has just about all the features (and more) of mssql server and it costs nothing. You can buy the EMS postgresql manager for a few bucks and it's much better the enterprise manager.
BTW. The next version of postgresql will have world class replication the database partitioning.
Honestly in the long run I don't see how people are going to justify spending 15K per processor on a database which only runs on windows, only works well with windows clients (the JDBC driver sucks and is slow as hell), has quite possibly the worst stored procedure language known to mankind. I work with it every day and every day it makes me want to poke sticks in my eye to distract me from the pain. Just today I got pissed because none of the string functions work against text fields (varchar only!). Postgres is so much more fun to work with.
Martha Steward made some questionable stock sales which prevented her from losing about 40 thousand dollars. For a billionaire like her it's pocket change.
The management of SCO so far have made more then million and half dollars by pumping and dumping their stock.
So one person "prevents the loss of 40K" the other people "make 1.5 million"
Why is Martha Stewart in court and not Darly McBride or Chris Sontag?
Here is a clue.
Marthat Steward is a well known donor to the democratic party and John Ascroft is a well known republican.
"You can't do anything but sit on your ass and bitch about it, just like me.;)"
Why not write a letter to your states attorney general. There are shareholders of Linux companies and linux users in your state and they can all be effected by this crap.
Take five minutes today and write a letter to your AG, it's better then bitching on slashdot.
Your machine is going to end up in the landfill sooner or later.
"All that nice hardware piling up."
It's not that nice.
" Instead, many people, most people, in fact, get along with what they have. "
Not really. Most people upgrade. Everybody I know does.
"or 95% of what people do with computers, and that includes (consuming) multimedia, a Pentium Pro 200 with the full load of RAM the motherboard can take would suffice."
A pentium 200 with 96 meg of ram is wholly inadequate to consume multimedia.
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Wow there are democrats in the LDS? Who would have thought!
"As Sharon put it, "its not easy being a Palestinian". Israel has indeed done a terrible thing, when it placed a military regime in the conquered territories between 1967 and 1987. But you must remmember that this was always a response to terrorist attacks that could not otherwise be prevented."
The answer is simple.
Make the palestenians Israeli citizens. This is what civilized nations do when they invade and occupy some land. We did ti with the Indians, The russians did it with all their republics, the chinese did it with tibet. It's the humane and civilized way to treat human beings under your control
Give the palestenians citizenship with full rights and a vote and they will have no reason to bomb anybody.
I thinks it's unlikely to be Al-Qaida. It's much more likely to be baathists who are secular socialists.
The problem is the US is unable to tell the truth if it's the Baathists because it makes them liars when they say Saddam is defeated. If saddams folloowers are causing mayhem then it's highly embarrassing the the US.
I have no doubt the US will blame this on Al Qaida.
"are to pony up some evidence for your claim? I want to see news reports of someone who died in the street due to a failure in the U.S. health system and then was subsequently swept up by the city."
Every year in every large city in a cold place (detroit, chicago, New York) lots of people die from the cold. They take shelter in the subways and such when they can but inevitably some die and the city comes by and picks up their bodies. It happens all the time.
"They have medical care and then choose not to pay."
If you get hit by a car and end up in the emergency room your medical bill will be in the tens of thousands of dollars. If you need rehab then it could be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Normal people can't pay those kinds of bills so the hospital asks them to declare bankrupcy so they can hit up the state for the bill.
It's broken health care system.
"Perhaps you'd be interested in knowing why drugs are cheaper in other countries. "
No I would not be interested. I was simply pointing out that your point about drugs being more expensive outside the US was false. If the other countries have found a way to burden the US citizens with the cost their drugs more power to them.
"This is the nonsense rhetoric I and him were referring to, and it is absolutely ridiculous. The damage caused by the war was quite mild as far as wars go, and the number of dead was remarkably very few civilians, and the fact is, the naysayers predicted a lot more death and destruction than actually happened. "Impossible to overestimate" is ridiculous."
Thousands of civillians were killed. On top of that tens of thousands of conscripts were killed. Those conscripts may have been technically soldiers but in reality were poor unfortunate slobs whose only crime was to be born a male in a country which the US wanted to invade.
"Furthermore, the Iraqi regime is responsible for far more deaths than were caused by the war"
Maybe maybe not. The estimates from the first gulf were around 200,000 killed. We don't know how many people were killed this time around. But let's put that away for now.
Saddam Killed people since the seventies. Where was your indignation when he was gassing the kurds? where was your indignation when he was gassing the iranians? Where was your indignation when he was brutally cracking down on the Shiites in his own country? My guess is that those things neve bothered you, maybe you were totally ignorant of them while they were happening or maybe it didn't bother you because he doint all that with chemicals bought from us, with intelligence provided by us and with funds from the US.
Bitching and moaning about how many people Saddam killed 20 years after the fact is bullshit, why weren't you backing up the human rights groups that were begging the US to stop funding for Iraq back then?
"Oh sure, you can blame the U.N. sanctions for the deaths related to poor drinking water quality,"
Go ahead and try to minimize it. I am sure it helps your conscience. Lack of food, medicine, water, and crucial infrastructure killed millions. Depleted Uranium caused countless birth defects and cancer.
". 1 Most Israeli deaths are the result of suicide bombings, meaning at least one Palestinian dies in every attack."
They are unarmed, poor, and under opressive occupation. This is the only weapon they have. If they had tanks they would use tanks, if they had helicopters they would use helicopters. If a palestenian has the option of attacking israel and living to tell about it they would but they don't have that choice. These people are using anything they can find be it rocks or home made bombs.
I for one admire them for it. If the US was invaded and occupied by a foreign military (especially one that had a different culture, language and religion) I would hope that all US citizens would take arms to beat them back. Our country if founded on an absolute love of liberty and freedom. "Give me freedom or give me death" and "Don't tread on me".
"2. The Palestinians are far weaker than the Israelis, therefore their attacks are far less effective."
There is no question about that.
"3. The Palestinians have turned down every chance for peace, and the offers have been good compromises on the part of Israel, I've read them."
This is a lie. The palestenians have agreed to everything put in front of them that even remotely sounded fair. From OSLO to the latest roadmap from Bush. The problem is that netierh the Israeli military nor Hamas want peace. They always sabotage it one way or another and the whole thing gfoes up in flames. Also the offers are ridiculus and incencere. Take a look at any offer by the israelis on a palestenians state, go look at a map it's ridiculus. There is not continuity (the 67 borders problem) it's not a country it's a series of neighborshoods divided by israeli land. The most generous offer the israelis put on the table called for 85% of the settlements to remain in place and the entire east jerusalem to remain under Israeli control.
That's not an offer for peace it's a terms for surrender and the palestenians are not ready to surrender yet.
If you ignore everything else I have said
There are lots of people who get no health care. Who simply die on the street and are swept up by the cities. It's tragic but true.
Also many people are forced to commit bankrupcy as a result of a hospital visit. They lose their credit and any ability to live a normal life.
BTW what country do you live in. A lot of US citizens travel to Mexico and Canada to buy cheaper drugs.
"No. His point was that what he was responding to was nothing more than silly rhetoric ie. he was responding in kind to something that wasn't "facts or arguments.""
Bullshit. Here is the post he was responding to
The trouble was, the US and Britain were not prepared to consider any outcome other than war. A war which killed tens of thousands while doing damage which Paul Bremer indicated a couple of days ago, was almost impossible to overestimate.
Should I help you out pick out a fact or an argument? Here are some.
1) US and Briton were not prepared to consider any argument other then war
2) US and Briton killed tens of thousands of people.
3) US and Briton caused enourmous damage to which the interim king of Iraq (Paul Bremer) recent made a reference to.
"Re: Israel - the U.S. is currently working with both sides to resolve the situation, and whenever progress is made, militant Palistinians do everything in their power to prevent it. I'm not saying I always agree with U.S. policy regarding Israel... My point is just that you're comparing apples and oranges."
Bullshit.
US is clearly pro israeli. It has always been that way, it will always be that way.
I suppose it's easy for you to blame the whole thing on palestenians but that too is pure and utter bullshit.
Try living under occupation by a foreign military for 35 years and they maybe you can make some sort of a judgement. You think living under Israeli occupation is all fun and games? You think widespread poverty, curfews, restrictions of travel, mass arrests, torture, and an occational missile flying into your cities is fun?
For every israeli killed by a palestenian three palestenians are killed.
Huh?
You don't mind paying for health care for iraqis but don't want to pay for health care for your own countrymen?
"Playing shell games with inspectors and flagrantly violating UN resolutions for ten years is "bending over backwards"?"
Israel violates UN resolutions how come we don't invade them. The US violates UN resolutions or just ignores them and invades other countries.
"I'll overestimate it for you: the world was destroyed, and everyone died. There that wasn't so hard, you see?"
This is a very handy thing to fling out when you can't dispute somebodies facts or arguments in a rational way.
From your link.
"After the Dean campaign was presented with clear cut evidence as to the nature of emailresponse.net, they investigated promptly and terminated their relationship with the company that same day.."
How does this make him the "spam king"? Maybe accidental spammer, maybe one-time spammer, maybe apologetic spammer but spam king? What gives? Don't you have any sense of proportion or decency?
I think you just want to slander him by calling him the spam king because you disagree with his politics.
In the US the hospitals don't turn you back if you don't have insurance. However if you ever get sick and don't have insurance you will have to declare bankrupcy afterwards.
You get healed buy you are broke and have no credit afterwards.
Why should I have to pay more. You'd think health care was more important then shiny new bombers and invading foreign countries.
The US is going to institute a national health care program for Iraq, a nationalized educational system for iraq, govt controlled water and power monopolies for Iraq, anonymous surfing for the Iranians.
How come these things are not good enough for US
"SQL has proven itself both faster and more stable than Postgres. I'm not a Microsoft fan, but if there's one thing they got right it's SQL Server."
I work with both every day. I don't know why you think they got SQL server right. Lots of lock escalation bullshit, weird locking semantics, goofy functions that only work on some text types and not others, 8K row limit, crappy SP language, the list goes on and on.
Things you totaly take for granted on mysql or postgres trip you up on sql server.
Try passing some XML out of a stored procedure sometime and then tell me how great SQL server is.
"Does Canopy own anything that advertises a lot?"
I would seriously doubt it.
Maybe not.
Remeber every single piece of fruit (maybe down to the grapes an cherries) will need to be tagged.
Here is what I did.
1) filled out the compaint form on the SEC.
2) Contacted my AG.
3) Contacted some media outlets like MSNBC (kudlow and kreamer), CNN and the Wall Street Journal.
The Media ploy is a hail mary. Most media today is so rabidly pro corporations they won't ever look into shenanigans but I figured it may be worth trying.
And in both cases you end up commiting crimes again.
MSSQL server is in a very odd place.
It's not as scalable as oracle or db/2 but at the same time it costs 15K per processor which is a hell of a lot of money.
Postgres has just about all the features (and more) of mssql server and it costs nothing. You can buy the EMS postgresql manager for a few bucks and it's much better the enterprise manager.
BTW. The next version of postgresql will have world class replication the database partitioning.
Honestly in the long run I don't see how people are going to justify spending 15K per processor on a database which only runs on windows, only works well with windows clients (the JDBC driver sucks and is slow as hell), has quite possibly the worst stored procedure language known to mankind. I work with it every day and every day it makes me want to poke sticks in my eye to distract me from the pain. Just today I got pissed because none of the string functions work against text fields (varchar only!). Postgres is so much more fun to work with.
Oddly enough it's still not as good as pgaccess and still only half as good as mysql front.
The American Prison system can take any person who is guilty of a minor offense and turning them into hardened criminals.
Martha Steward made some questionable stock sales which prevented her from losing about 40 thousand dollars. For a billionaire like her it's pocket change.
The management of SCO so far have made more then million and half dollars by pumping and dumping their stock.
So one person "prevents the loss of 40K" the other people "make 1.5 million"
Why is Martha Stewart in court and not Darly McBride or Chris Sontag?
Here is a clue.
Marthat Steward is a well known donor to the democratic party and John Ascroft is a well known republican.
"You can't do anything but sit on your ass and bitch about it, just like me. ;)"
Why not write a letter to your states attorney general. There are shareholders of Linux companies and linux users in your state and they can all be effected by this crap.
Take five minutes today and write a letter to your AG, it's better then bitching on slashdot.
What? You mean America does not have the finest legal system in the world???
I am being lied to!
"server-dev@james.apache.org"
Your machine is going to end up in the landfill sooner or later.
"All that nice hardware piling up."
It's not that nice.
" Instead, many people, most people, in fact, get along with what they have. "
Not really. Most people upgrade. Everybody I know does.
"or 95% of what people do with computers, and that includes (consuming) multimedia, a Pentium Pro 200 with the full load of RAM the motherboard can take would suffice."
A pentium 200 with 96 meg of ram is wholly inadequate to consume multimedia.