Maybe. But as I said my prefered email client is mozilla and so it my prefered browser. I don't do IRC all that much so the mozilla IRC client is good enough.
They had a functional jabber client too bad it's not beeing actively developed.
I believe two things stand in the way of mozilla domination.
1) IM integration. 2) Network install with the ability to override user prefs and install plug ins for all users in one shot.
Make that happen and you'll see corporations start to migrate to mozilla wholesale.
Imagine if everybody wrote software with this limitation in mind. I am so glad software developers are not holding back developing cool software just to please the 1% of users on ancient machines.
1) Set google as your default search engine. 2) Type message 3) Hit preview on slashdot. 4) Hightlight suspicious word. 5) right click and do the google search on the word. 6) C & P the right spelling....
" The problem is Linux is so prone to IP infringement, as it has not established any formal procedures for merging alien code. Then, the potentially-infringing code (as part of the kernel) is exploited by RedHat, etc. to make money. Also. I believe that the 2.4 branch leaders allegedly let IP-infringing code to leak in."
You can believe whatever you want. Some people believe the earth is flat some believe that aliens cloned us.
"Why? Does the FS/OSS community give a damn about IP?"
Of course it does. The GPL is wholly dependent on copyright. The FSF owns the copyright to millions of line of code and so do other programmers. If the GPL is ruled illegal then they will exercize that copyright and either prevent people from stealing the code or come up with a different licence.
"My favourite quote: The suspicious [for IP infringement] code has been removed from 2.6 because it was 'ugly', Linus Torvalds"
You are talking about the malloc code that was only used on MIPS processors right? Anybody running linux on intel chips does not have to worry about that bit of code, it's not in their kernel.
Why install two programs when one will do. For me I prefer a one package install that gives me email (imap over SSL rocks!) browsing and an occational IRC chat. Too bad the jabber client looks like it's been abandoned.
If Mozilla picked up the jabber client again and made it easy to deploy to a hundred users at once they would have a great corporate tool on their hands.
A wise CEO would take the money and put it into an escrow account.
Once the trial started he can see how things are going. If it looks like SCO will not only win on the IBM contract issue but also will invalidate the GPL and turn over all Linux code to SCO then you can pay at that time or start switching to freebsd.
Remember you will only be obligated to pay if SCO can claim ownership of Linux as a derivative product. Even if they invalidate the GPL they will somehow have to prove that they own the code the other people wrote and can charge for it.
Now the chances of this happening is pretty much close to zero even if the judge is a total dolt so what will happen is that you will collect interest on your money and cash out when the trial ends.
Another strategy might be to pay the fee and sue SCO after they lose the case but by then they probably won't have any money left.
"I was just making sure you were talking about that Miguel (since he's mexican and the article is about Brazil, I don't know if there is some Miguel in Brazil who's linked to OSS) "
My point was this.
When Linux got a toehold in Mexico at least one Mexican emerged who ended up making a huge difference in the OSS world. If OSS gains a toehold in Brazil then the possibility exists for more people Miguel to emerge and make contributions. Last I checked the population of Brazil was about twice Mexicos.
"So no bribes were necessary; after seeing the cost of hiring people for all the maintenance and development they would need, they decided to stick with MS..."
I am afraid I did not keep up on that issue. Either way I think it's inevitable that they will switch to OSS. If not this year then next or the one after that. It would have been better if it was sooner but what the hell rome wasn't built in a day.
"We're richer because we have lots of resources and work hard."
We are also ruthless don't forget that. Lots of times hard working people will draw the line when the choice is between making more money for yourself or acting morally. The US as a country and most Americans would rather make money. Ask all your friends "would you kill somebody for a million dollars" and most would will say "sure".
As Americans we see out highest calling the drive to make more money everything else comes second. Whether it's family, community, environment, or god forbid the rest of the world.
I don't know what Miguel had to do with any of that other then maybe lobbying for it.
I was talking about Miguel's contribution to making the world a better place to live by doing what he is good at which is coding his ass off everyday. The fact that Mexico city is run by corrupt officials (surprise!) has nothing to do with his contribution to you, me and the rest of the open source world.
BTW What do you mean "the linux guys screwed it up?" It sounds like the pigs lined up at the trough and started bribing officials to me. This happens in the US too.
"No times have changed, and the West better a clue REAL fast or the West will have to start looking for handouts from the "third" world nations."
The US has an abundance of natural resources. It has lots of trees, minerals, fertile soil and water. Granted all those resources are being abused but there is enough left to last for at least another generation if not two. If we cut back even a little on consumption they might last for decades. Most of the rest of world has already eaten through it's natural resources and will be buying them from us for a long time.
Combine that with the enourmous amount of captial that has accumulated in this country and you will realize that we will not be lining up for handouts anytime soon.
That is not to say however that our standard of living will not decrease. It most likely will decrease a little bit but the change is more likely to effect your grandchildren then yourself.
"' I mean what advantages does this development give to Linux users?"
Anything that adds to the userbase helps linux. More users mean more and better drivers and less IE only web site. Also some small percentage of those users will actually contribute back. If they spawn another Miguel or two the world would be a better place.
Hopefully all those dollars leaving brazil and going to redmond will start to circulate in their own economy and providing jobs for their own kids. Sounds bleak over there.
Read this article about the shcool system in shanghai. MS did an audit and then try to bully them into buying more office licences. The school system instead chose to actually remove office from it's systems and go with a competing product locally made in china. Here is a quote.
The move to snub Microsoft comes after the software giant asked the Shanghai Education Commission to buy licenses for the office suite on every school computer. Antipiracy officials earlier raided several schools in the city for using pirated versions of the software, according to the report.
In this case they did not go with open source but the competing product cost half as much.
People all over the world are getting a clue except the American PHBs who are not only sticking with MS but some are actually paying licencing fees to SCO.
Looks like the people who shorted got played for suckers by the pros.
Don't venture into shark infested waters my friends, SCO stock is now infested with savvy sharks circling the carcass and picking off the prime chunks.
"There you go again. I guess you've dropped the "too poor for insignias" defense like the other unfounded attempts, but you continue to assert its my fault for not understanding the importance of "not knowing" as a support for your suspicions."
Look man. I saw lots of specials on TV about the muhajadin and the taliban. I saw shows where reporters hung out with the nortern alliance and engaged in battles. Nobody was wearing insignias except maybe some commander. The soldiers were wearing their plain clothes. Some of them were childeren 12 years old. SO stop lying about this insignia bullshit. You can order the video tapes from national geographic if you want.
Secondly You don't know. Just admit it. The concentration camp in cuba is top secret. You can't go there, reporters can't go there (unless they are controlled all the time). Why do you keep insisting that this is not true.
Jesus would not approve of you lying so much.
"Thats been dealt with now ad-nauseum. If anyone is tracking this thread they've remembered the explanations of the geneva convention on POW status. How illegal combatants is a recognized term for people combatting outside the Geneva accords. And reasons why such accords are placed in that treaty."
Stop ducking the issue. Why should a civilized nation like the US deny people POW status? Even if it was justified (which it's not) why do it? Why not designate them as POWs and give them their full human rights.
"No, but have you ever heard how he described "hell"?"
Interesting. You are saying that jesus would approve of forcefully injecting drugs into prisoners. I was under the impression that sending somebody to hell was the job of god. That god alone was to make that judgement.
"You obviously do not know about Israel and the land of Caanan."
Aaah the old testament. Yes I suppose if you are going to go there then all is fair game. God not only commits mass murder and genocide but exhorts his disciples to do the same and helps them.
"Its about you wanting to create a phantom of a police state, and use that phantom to scare people into supporting you in create one ala Animal Farm."
Again resorting to lies. I never said that I was advocating such a thing. Look back at my posts regarding context. Remember that bit? Remember when you took me out of context (like you are doing now)?. You have got learn to read the posts you are arguing against, this is gettign tiring. We don't need to hash this out again because you yourself admitted at rhetoric preceeded mass incarceration and you yourself admitted that right wing republicans were using vile rhetoric to slander the liberals.
"The Taliban did have insignias, so did the very various Mujuhadeen. So why was Al-Queda somehow excused for being too poor? "
Bullshit. Not only bullshit but wholly irrelevent.
First of all you don't know who is in Cuba. It could be anybody. It could be taliban, it could be al quada or it could be some poor baker who gfot caught in a sweep. You don't know their names, their nationalities, their crimes, their ages, nothing. You don't even know exactly how many people there are there. You know even less about the concentration camps in afghanistan and quatar. You are blissful in your ignorance.
Secondly you keep skirting the real issue. Why deny people POW status in the first place? Why torture people in the first place? Is that a way for a civilized nation to act? Would Jesus have approved of torturing people? Would Jesus have locked up people in cages for years and injected them with drugs?
I asked Jesus and you know what he said? He said he didn't approve of powerful nations invading weaker ones. He also said that he did not approve of torture. I then asked him if it was right to lock people up in chain link cages with no beds, walls or roofs. He also did not approve of this kind of treatment.
Maybe Jesus told you that it's OK to kill and torture people and to lock them up in small cages I don't know.
"I'm merely suggesting that there is still a lot of "business" in terms of profit and loss, etc that takes place in a non-profit."
Well DUH of course there is a lot of "business". There is organization, money transfer, memberships to keep track of, spending, investing the list goes on and on. I don't see what this has anything to do with anything.
"They have to make money to stay alive. The more money they have the better. This is the same for profits and non-profits."
Again DUH!. Why is this news to anybody. The purpose of a non profit to raise funds for a cause. If the non profit is unable to raise funds then it folds.
"Try taking away the salary of the ceo's of non-profits and see if they stick around.. that's where the charity ends."
Where do you get the idea that every single person that works for a non profit must be a volunteer. I really don't see your point.
I know you are trying to say something you think is profound but honestly I don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say. Are you saying that non profits should not deal with money? are you saying everybody who works for a non profit should be a vounteer?
"Its clear that if your platform is that everyone are POW's or that the distinction between soldiers and civilians is unneccisary than you simply have no understanding of the accords of the Geneva Conventions. And it appears you are trying to leverage on both those erroneous platforms."
Look man As I said we are attacking and invading people who can barely eat. Just because they can't afford uniforms that does not make them illegal combatants.
Even if they were not wearing uniforms they were clearly in combat in war so they should be treated as POWs.
Finally as a civilized nation we should treat people with the higest of standards not the lowest. You keep ignoring this simple fact. These people are being called illegal comabatants so that we can treat them as sub humans which is immoral and uncivilized.
"Oh this is rich. Okay, you got me. I'll bite. Tell me what Christ's views on the Geneva convention were that I should follow them. I'm awaiting what would have to be your divine inspiration here since Christ died almost 2000 years before the Geneva convention happened."
What did christ say about invading countries, what did he say about caging people up and torturing them? I am sure he was all for war and torture.
" However you already complained that when they are returned to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and such it is just to be tortured. So what is to be done? They are illegal combatants, no one argues against that. Should they be detained in Guantanamo or sent back home where you complain they are being tortured (in occordance to their civil laws)."
They are not being sent to their own countries they are being sent to friendly countries where torture is legal.
Once again the obvious escapes you. They should not be tortured anywhere by anybody at anytime. It's illegal and immoral. They should be given POW designation and treated humanely by the US govt. It's the civilized moral thing to do.
"You can say that they are innocent or they are not. You can say that people presumed guilty are not released. But that does not adequately (in another of your misleading, overly simplified logical statements) conclude that everyone is set free must be innocent. Especially coming from you who seems to have very little understanding of what an illegal combatant is."
Now you are getting whacky. Did the US govt let people go who were guilty? Why? Try and make sense please.
" do not come up with the conclusions you have. "
read the links I sent you.
"By not jumping in your conjecture wagon I am reserving judgement until I know what is going on. I rather think it is called maturity and mediation, not "faith" in the accused."
You are not allowed to know what is going on. No information is available to you regarding those people. Apparently this is not alarming to you because you have 100% faith in the president.
"Again trying to make something of my signing as an AC? Why don't you tell us then what it tells you. Does it say that I'm wrong? How? Does it even say that people do not think I'm writing this?"
Posting anonymously means that you do not have the convictions to back up your words. I guess this makes sense because you don't really argue withthe things I say but always try to zig and zag to some peripheral poing or a personal insult.
Next time you post let's try to keep to just one topic.
Should a civilized country treat all combatants with the highest regard for human rights or the lowest? Should poor people being invaded be able to defend themselves without being called illegal comabatants and tortured because they can not afford uniforms or may not be part of an organized militia.
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Maybe. But as I said my prefered email client is mozilla and so it my prefered browser. I don't do IRC all that much so the mozilla IRC client is good enough.
They had a functional jabber client too bad it's not beeing actively developed.
I believe two things stand in the way of mozilla domination.
1) IM integration.
2) Network install with the ability to override user prefs and install plug ins for all users in one shot.
Make that happen and you'll see corporations start to migrate to mozilla wholesale.
"PII-266 / 96M of ram."
Imagine if everybody wrote software with this limitation in mind. I am so glad software developers are not holding back developing cool software just to please the 1% of users on ancient machines.
Mozilla spellchecker.
...
1) Set google as your default search engine.
2) Type message
3) Hit preview on slashdot.
4) Hightlight suspicious word.
5) right click and do the google search on the word.
6) C & P the right spelling.
Profit!!
Seriously though it would be cool to have it.
"no other browser compares the blinding speed of lynx."
;)
Open up preferences in mozilla. Go to appearance->colors and choose "Use my chosen colors, ignoring the colors and background image specified".
Under privacy and security->Images turn off images.
Voila a superfast browser a-la lynx or netscape 3.x but with HTML support.
If you want you can even specify a black background and white text
Here is a neat mozilla trick.
1) Set google as your default search.
2) Highlight any word on a page and right click.
3) Choose web search for "Word I Just Highlighted"
Voila a google search.
BTW moz1.5 has a spell checker and 1.4 users can install one here
Mozilla has so many ways to have fun there is never any need to use IE. Have you played around with profiles yet?
" The problem is Linux is so prone to IP infringement, as it has not established any formal procedures for merging alien code. Then, the potentially-infringing code (as part of the kernel) is exploited by RedHat, etc. to make money. Also. I believe that the 2.4 branch leaders allegedly let IP-infringing code to leak in."
You can believe whatever you want. Some people believe the earth is flat some believe that aliens cloned us.
"Why? Does the FS/OSS community give a damn about IP?"
Of course it does. The GPL is wholly dependent on copyright. The FSF owns the copyright to millions of line of code and so do other programmers. If the GPL is ruled illegal then they will exercize that copyright and either prevent people from stealing the code or come up with a different licence.
"My favourite quote:
The suspicious [for IP infringement] code has been removed from 2.6 because it was 'ugly', Linus Torvalds"
You are talking about the malloc code that was only used on MIPS processors right? Anybody running linux on intel chips does not have to worry about that bit of code, it's not in their kernel.
Why install two programs when one will do. For me I prefer a one package install that gives me email (imap over SSL rocks!) browsing and an occational IRC chat. Too bad the jabber client looks like it's been abandoned.
If Mozilla picked up the jabber client again and made it easy to deploy to a hundred users at once they would have a great corporate tool on their hands.
About two years ago I read a pundit (I don't remember who) who said "Linux will collapse Unix into itself" like a black hole.
He should have said "linux will collapse all operating systems into itself" because it will.
SCO is a business. They are fine suit wearing utah republicans.
You all are nothing but a bunch of hippie commie pinkos looking to destroy intellectual property and capitalism.
Why should the fine suit wearing republicans at the business magazines take you seriously? Why that would be like letting the terrorists win.
A wise CEO would take the money and put it into an escrow account.
Once the trial started he can see how things are going. If it looks like SCO will not only win on the IBM contract issue but also will invalidate the GPL and turn over all Linux code to SCO then you can pay at that time or start switching to freebsd.
Remember you will only be obligated to pay if SCO can claim ownership of Linux as a derivative product. Even if they invalidate the GPL they will somehow have to prove that they own the code the other people wrote and can charge for it.
Now the chances of this happening is pretty much close to zero even if the judge is a total dolt so what will happen is that you will collect interest on your money and cash out when the trial ends.
Another strategy might be to pay the fee and sue SCO after they lose the case but by then they probably won't have any money left.
"I was just making sure you were talking about that Miguel (since he's mexican and the article is about Brazil, I don't know if there is some Miguel in Brazil who's linked to OSS) "
My point was this.
When Linux got a toehold in Mexico at least one Mexican emerged who ended up making a huge difference in the OSS world. If OSS gains a toehold in Brazil then the possibility exists for more people Miguel to emerge and make contributions. Last I checked the population of Brazil was about twice Mexicos.
"So no bribes were necessary; after seeing the cost of hiring people for all the maintenance and development they would need, they decided to stick with MS..."
I am afraid I did not keep up on that issue. Either way I think it's inevitable that they will switch to OSS. If not this year then next or the one after that. It would have been better if it was sooner but what the hell rome wasn't built in a day.
"We're richer because we have lots of resources and work hard."
We are also ruthless don't forget that. Lots of times hard working people will draw the line when the choice is between making more money for yourself or acting morally. The US as a country and most Americans would rather make money. Ask all your friends "would you kill somebody for a million dollars" and most would will say "sure".
As Americans we see out highest calling the drive to make more money everything else comes second. Whether it's family, community, environment, or god forbid the rest of the world.
I don't know what Miguel had to do with any of that other then maybe lobbying for it.
I was talking about Miguel's contribution to making the world a better place to live by doing what he is good at which is coding his ass off everyday. The fact that Mexico city is run by corrupt officials (surprise!) has nothing to do with his contribution to you, me and the rest of the open source world.
BTW What do you mean "the linux guys screwed it up?" It sounds like the pigs lined up at the trough and started bribing officials to me. This happens in the US too.
"No times have changed, and the West better a clue REAL fast or the West will have to start looking for handouts from the "third" world nations."
The US has an abundance of natural resources. It has lots of trees, minerals, fertile soil and water. Granted all those resources are being abused but there is enough left to last for at least another generation if not two. If we cut back even a little on consumption they might last for decades. Most of the rest of world has already eaten through it's natural resources and will be buying them from us for a long time.
Combine that with the enourmous amount of captial that has accumulated in this country and you will realize that we will not be lining up for handouts anytime soon.
That is not to say however that our standard of living will not decrease. It most likely will decrease a little bit but the change is more likely to effect your grandchildren then yourself.
"' I mean what advantages does this development give to Linux users?"
Anything that adds to the userbase helps linux. More users mean more and better drivers and less IE only web site. Also some small percentage of those users will actually contribute back. If they spawn another Miguel or two the world would be a better place.
Hopefully all those dollars leaving brazil and going to redmond will start to circulate in their own economy and providing jobs for their own kids. Sounds bleak over there.
Read this article about the shcool system in shanghai. MS did an audit and then try to bully them into buying more office licences. The school system instead chose to actually remove office from it's systems and go with a competing product locally made in china. Here is a quote.
The move to snub Microsoft comes after the software giant asked the Shanghai Education Commission to buy licenses for the office suite on every school computer. Antipiracy officials earlier raided several schools in the city for using pirated versions of the software, according to the report.
In this case they did not go with open source but the competing product cost half as much.
People all over the world are getting a clue except the American PHBs who are not only sticking with MS but some are actually paying licencing fees to SCO.
Makes you wonder.
Looks like the people who shorted got played for suckers by the pros.
Don't venture into shark infested waters my friends, SCO stock is now infested with savvy sharks circling the carcass and picking off the prime chunks.
LOL. Man I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
Thanks.
"There you go again. I guess you've dropped the "too poor for insignias" defense like the other unfounded attempts, but you continue to assert its my fault for not understanding the importance of "not knowing" as a support for your suspicions."
Look man. I saw lots of specials on TV about the muhajadin and the taliban. I saw shows where reporters hung out with the nortern alliance and engaged in battles. Nobody was wearing insignias except maybe some commander. The soldiers were wearing their plain clothes. Some of them were childeren 12 years old. SO stop lying about this insignia bullshit. You can order the video tapes from national geographic if you want.
Secondly You don't know. Just admit it. The concentration camp in cuba is top secret. You can't go there, reporters can't go there (unless they are controlled all the time). Why do you keep insisting that this is not true.
Jesus would not approve of you lying so much.
"Thats been dealt with now ad-nauseum. If anyone is tracking this thread they've remembered the explanations of the geneva convention on POW status. How illegal combatants is a recognized term for people combatting outside the Geneva accords. And reasons why such accords are placed in that treaty."
Stop ducking the issue. Why should a civilized nation like the US deny people POW status? Even if it was justified (which it's not) why do it? Why not designate them as POWs and give them their full human rights.
"No, but have you ever heard how he described "hell"?"
Interesting. You are saying that jesus would approve of forcefully injecting drugs into prisoners. I was under the impression that sending somebody to hell was the job of god. That god alone was to make that judgement.
"You obviously do not know about Israel and the land of Caanan."
Aaah the old testament. Yes I suppose if you are going to go there then all is fair game. God not only commits mass murder and genocide but exhorts his disciples to do the same and helps them.
"Its about you wanting to create a phantom of a police state, and use that phantom to scare people into supporting you in create one ala Animal Farm."
Again resorting to lies. I never said that I was advocating such a thing. Look back at my posts regarding context. Remember that bit? Remember when you took me out of context (like you are doing now)?. You have got learn to read the posts you are arguing against, this is gettign tiring. We don't need to hash this out again because you yourself admitted at rhetoric preceeded mass incarceration and you yourself admitted that right wing republicans were using vile rhetoric to slander the liberals.
You do that. It's probably easier then trying to explain your post.
"The Taliban did have insignias, so did the very various Mujuhadeen. So why was Al-Queda somehow excused for being too poor? "
Bullshit. Not only bullshit but wholly irrelevent.
First of all you don't know who is in Cuba. It could be anybody. It could be taliban, it could be al quada or it could be some poor baker who gfot caught in a sweep. You don't know their names, their nationalities, their crimes, their ages, nothing. You don't even know exactly how many people there are there. You know even less about the concentration camps in afghanistan and quatar. You are blissful in your ignorance.
Secondly you keep skirting the real issue. Why deny people POW status in the first place? Why torture people in the first place? Is that a way for a civilized nation to act? Would Jesus have approved of torturing people? Would Jesus have locked up people in cages for years and injected them with drugs?
I asked Jesus and you know what he said? He said he didn't approve of powerful nations invading weaker ones. He also said that he did not approve of torture. I then asked him if it was right to lock people up in chain link cages with no beds, walls or roofs. He also did not approve of this kind of treatment.
Maybe Jesus told you that it's OK to kill and torture people and to lock them up in small cages I don't know.
"I'm merely suggesting that there is still a lot of "business" in terms of profit and loss, etc that takes place in a non-profit."
Well DUH of course there is a lot of "business". There is organization, money transfer, memberships to keep track of, spending, investing the list goes on and on. I don't see what this has anything to do with anything.
"They have to make money to stay alive. The more money they have the better. This is the same for profits and non-profits."
Again DUH!. Why is this news to anybody. The purpose of a non profit to raise funds for a cause. If the non profit is unable to raise funds then it folds.
"Try taking away the salary of the ceo's of non-profits and see if they stick around.. that's where the charity ends."
Where do you get the idea that every single person that works for a non profit must be a volunteer. I really don't see your point.
I know you are trying to say something you think is profound but honestly I don't get it. What exactly are you trying to say. Are you saying that non profits should not deal with money? are you saying everybody who works for a non profit should be a vounteer?
What?
"Its clear that if your platform is that everyone are POW's or that the distinction between soldiers and civilians is unneccisary than you simply have no understanding of the accords of the Geneva Conventions. And it appears you are trying to leverage on both those erroneous platforms."
Look man As I said we are attacking and invading people who can barely eat. Just because they can't afford uniforms that does not make them illegal combatants.
Even if they were not wearing uniforms they were clearly in combat in war so they should be treated as POWs.
Finally as a civilized nation we should treat people with the higest of standards not the lowest. You keep ignoring this simple fact. These people are being called illegal comabatants so that we can treat them as sub humans which is immoral and uncivilized.
"Oh this is rich. Okay, you got me. I'll bite. Tell me what Christ's views on the Geneva convention were that I should follow them. I'm awaiting what would have to be your divine inspiration here since Christ died almost 2000 years before the Geneva convention happened."
What did christ say about invading countries, what did he say about caging people up and torturing them? I am sure he was all for war and torture.
" However you already complained that when they are returned to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and such it is just to be tortured. So what is to be done? They are illegal combatants, no one argues against that. Should they be detained in Guantanamo or sent back home where you complain they are being tortured (in occordance to their civil laws)."
They are not being sent to their own countries they are being sent to friendly countries where torture is legal.
Once again the obvious escapes you. They should not be tortured anywhere by anybody at anytime. It's illegal and immoral. They should be given POW designation and treated humanely by the US govt. It's the civilized moral thing to do.
"You can say that they are innocent or they are not. You can say that people presumed guilty are not released. But that does not adequately (in another of your misleading, overly simplified logical statements) conclude that everyone is set free must be innocent. Especially coming from you who seems to have very little understanding of what an illegal combatant is."
Now you are getting whacky. Did the US govt let people go who were guilty? Why? Try and make sense please.
" do not come up with the conclusions you have. "
read the links I sent you.
"By not jumping in your conjecture wagon I am reserving judgement until I know what is going on. I rather think it is called maturity and mediation, not "faith" in the accused."
You are not allowed to know what is going on. No information is available to you regarding those people. Apparently this is not alarming to you because you have 100% faith in the president.
"Again trying to make something of my signing as an AC? Why don't you tell us then what it tells you. Does it say that I'm wrong? How? Does it even say that people do not think I'm writing this?"
Posting anonymously means that you do not have the convictions to back up your words. I guess this makes sense because you don't really argue withthe things I say but always try to zig and zag to some peripheral poing or a personal insult.
Next time you post let's try to keep to just one topic.
Should a civilized country treat all combatants with the highest regard for human rights or the lowest? Should poor people being invaded be able to defend themselves without being called illegal comabatants and tortured because they can not afford uniforms or may not be part of an organized militia.
Great Idea. Maybe I'll approach some microbrews around here and see what they say.