Re:People don't seem to get it.
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" Mutating Linux to remove infringing code will not remove SCO's ability to take to court the distributors of any version of Linux which infringed, -past- or present. Likewise the users of such distributions, -past- or present. Irregardless of whether the distribution was freely given away or bundled as a priced product."
Where do you get this stuff from? You don't sound like a lawyer so maybe you read this someplace but I have never read anything like this anywhere. Not even on groklaw or other legal sites that follow this case closely. They all seem to indicate that the complaining party has the duty to minimize damages, not hide infringement for years and then sue people for past infringement after the infringing code gets removed.
Please site some reference backing your point of view.
SCO is sitting in a time bomb. There is about 99% certainty that they themselves have infringing code in Unixware and that they are violating the copyrights of hundreds of Linux kernel coders.
There are limitation as to what somebody can send you in the mail. Also mail fraud is a federal offence and there are strict laws dictating what can be mailed and how. What do you think would happen so somebody who mailed unsolicited pornography?
Also 99% of all spam is fraudulant in nature. Those pills will not make your dick bigger and there is no money secreted away in nigeria.
If the govt put the same restrictions on spam that they do n mail and telemarketing I would be very happy.
Re:Any ideas?
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Zowie!. They have asked for...
7. All documents concerning any agreement, understanding or communication with Microsoft, Sun, Computer Associates, Tarantella, AT&T, USL, HP or Novell, relating to UNIX or Linux.
Man this alone ought to scare the crap out of them or send them running to the shredder.
Imagine that. You are blocking IP on your email server.
Only if there was a central repository of known spammers so that I too could get a hold of that list. Think of how cool that would be. It would also be handy for people who got blocked by mistake. They would only have to one place to get themselves unblocked instead of complaining to hundreds of people.
Maybe we could call them RealTime Block Lists (RBL) for short.
Nah it would never work. As soon as people started using the list the spammers would attack the servers with a DDOS or something and the whole thing would be useless.
Now only if there was a distributed system like that...
The studies are frequently tilted. For example someone can create messy unmaintable code in VB using the wizards in no time at all while a properly coded MVC java application may take ten times longer to create.
Which is easier and cheaper in the long run? Not the VB app that's created by the wizard.
If MS then takes this comparison and says VB is faster then they are lying by telling a half truth.
Of course MS is famous for doing these kinds of things. They are not alone, lying comes easy to most corporations.
Not really, at least not in this case. In this case SCO has threatened to sue people who are not licensed. The only reason you are asking is so that you won't be sued.
What if you called SCO and told them that you have X copies of linux (non SCO) and asked them to send you an invoice. If they then actually invoiced you for a product you never bought from them could you then charge them with fraud?
Is it legal for company A to send you an invoice for a product you got from company B?
"So, what happens in the U.S. if a organization is ever certified as a "religion" by mistake? Is any means available to undo it?"
It was tried. The scientologists filed thousands of suits against the IRS. The IRS gave up after a while.
It was the first DDOS attack on the United States of America and it was wildly successful. I would not be suprised if other terrorists undertake similar attacks on the US govt.
" Beware of the dangers of subscribing to a narrow-bandwidth dualistic worldview:"
So what? We make no good and evil judgements about anybody? Not even Osama Bin Laden and Bill gates?
"Secondly, Microsoft is not a person but a conglomerate of a large number of individuals with rather diverse worldviews and intentions."
Cop out. MS is an entity. A legally recognized corporate entity with full rights of any human being. Not everybody who works at MS is evil but all of them directly support what is done in their name and at their behest by their employer. They are all conspirators in the evil that is comitted by their superiors and by their corporation.
"Resolution by conflict is most often the worst alternative for everyone involved, and very frequently, there are better solutions available through compromise."
MS has never been interested in compromise and they are not today.
"And maybe, just maybe, this would also be in the best interested of the end users who might just not like using a potentially government-decreed and comittee-designed operating system. But it's far too early to judge that."
In what way is Windows not designed by a comittee?
People don't graduate from collage and become architects. They have to learn to code in the real world first. By exporting all the coding to other countries you will dry up the market for programmers in the US. This in turn will discourage people from getting CS degrees and drastically srink the IT labor pool.
In the meantime the wealth of programmers in India and China will "graduate" to higer end IT tasks while still doing it cheaper then the US counterparts.
It doesn't look good for the future if you are in the US.
"There are some good Java IDEs, no doubt, but none of them can touch Visual Studio for, well, any single thing you could possibly want to do with an IDE."
One word.
Webobjects.
It's better then visual studio in just about any aspect you can imagine and it costs less.
" The US do not seem to be afraid to blame Saddam for any mayhem going on there, I have to disagree with you on that one, but agree substantially with the rest."
The US is willing to blame the "now defeated" saddam hussein and it's acts "in the past". It would be politically ruinious now to admit that saddam was still operating, organizing and executing complicated attacks like this.
I have noticed that most people who run freebsd came from linux. For some reason or another they got pissed off at linux and switched to BSD. I don't know anybody who started with BSD.
Maybe that's because there is not a comprehensive BSD distro like RedHat or Mandrake. One where you put in a CD and it autodetects everything, sets up your video and sound and gives you a slick desktop.
"We do this all the time with SQL server. Most of our stored procedures return xml."
As long as that XML is never over 8K characters you are fine. Like everything else from Microsoft it works most of the time. You can't return text data type out of a stored procedure.
You wrote all those wonderful stored procedures and one day your application will fail because the length of your XML will exceed 8K. The horrible thing is that you will get the first 8K and there will not be an error message.
Good luck when that happens to you.
Re:That can't be right!
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Don't you know?
You are free to completely ignore any part of the bible you don't like.
I am sure God says that someplace in the bible maybe right after he says to kill the homosexuals.
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" Mutating Linux to remove infringing code will not remove SCO's ability to take to court the distributors of any version of Linux which infringed, -past- or present. Likewise the users of such distributions, -past- or present. Irregardless of whether the distribution was freely given away or bundled as a priced product."
Where do you get this stuff from? You don't sound like a lawyer so maybe you read this someplace but I have never read anything like this anywhere. Not even on groklaw or other legal sites that follow this case closely. They all seem to indicate that the complaining party has the duty to minimize damages, not hide infringement for years and then sue people for past infringement after the infringing code gets removed.
Please site some reference backing your point of view.
SCO is sitting in a time bomb. There is about 99% certainty that they themselves have infringing code in Unixware and that they are violating the copyrights of hundreds of Linux kernel coders.
There are limitation as to what somebody can send you in the mail. Also mail fraud is a federal offence and there are strict laws dictating what can be mailed and how. What do you think would happen so somebody who mailed unsolicited pornography?
Also 99% of all spam is fraudulant in nature. Those pills will not make your dick bigger and there is no money secreted away in nigeria.
If the govt put the same restrictions on spam that they do n mail and telemarketing I would be very happy.
Zowie!. They have asked for...
7. All documents concerning any agreement, understanding or communication with Microsoft, Sun, Computer Associates, Tarantella, AT&T, USL, HP or Novell, relating to UNIX or Linux.
Man this alone ought to scare the crap out of them or send them running to the shredder.
"An email address is a public thing, so people can say what they want?"
So is your address and telephone number. And yet there are laws limiting telemarketing.
Imagine that. You are blocking IP on your email server.
Only if there was a central repository of known spammers so that I too could get a hold of that list. Think of how cool that would be. It would also be handy for people who got blocked by mistake. They would only have to one place to get themselves unblocked instead of complaining to hundreds of people.
Maybe we could call them RealTime Block Lists (RBL) for short.
Nah it would never work. As soon as people started using the list the spammers would attack the servers with a DDOS or something and the whole thing would be useless.
Now only if there was a distributed system like that...
The studies are frequently tilted. For example someone can create messy unmaintable code in VB using the wizards in no time at all while a properly coded MVC java application may take ten times longer to create.
Which is easier and cheaper in the long run? Not the VB app that's created by the wizard.
If MS then takes this comparison and says VB is faster then they are lying by telling a half truth.
Of course MS is famous for doing these kinds of things. They are not alone, lying comes easy to most corporations.
" If you ask for it, it's not fraud."
Not really, at least not in this case. In this case SCO has threatened to sue people who are not licensed. The only reason you are asking is so that you won't be sued.
What if you called SCO and told them that you have X copies of linux (non SCO) and asked them to send you an invoice. If they then actually invoiced you for a product you never bought from them could you then charge them with fraud?
Is it legal for company A to send you an invoice for a product you got from company B?
"So, what happens in the U.S. if a organization is ever certified as a "religion" by mistake? Is any means available to undo it?"
It was tried. The scientologists filed thousands of suits against the IRS. The IRS gave up after a while.
It was the first DDOS attack on the United States of America and it was wildly successful. I would not be suprised if other terrorists undertake similar attacks on the US govt.
" Beware of the dangers of subscribing to a narrow-bandwidth dualistic worldview:"
So what? We make no good and evil judgements about anybody? Not even Osama Bin Laden and Bill gates?
"Secondly, Microsoft is not a person but a conglomerate of a large number of individuals with rather diverse worldviews and intentions."
Cop out. MS is an entity. A legally recognized corporate entity with full rights of any human being. Not everybody who works at MS is evil but all of them directly support what is done in their name and at their behest by their employer. They are all conspirators in the evil that is comitted by their superiors and by their corporation.
"Resolution by conflict is most often the worst alternative for everyone involved, and very frequently, there are better solutions available through compromise."
MS has never been interested in compromise and they are not today.
"And maybe, just maybe, this would also be in the best interested of the end users who might just not like using a potentially government-decreed and comittee-designed operating system. But it's far too early to judge that."
In what way is Windows not designed by a comittee?
I thought MacOSX was the desktop freebsd.
People don't graduate from collage and become architects. They have to learn to code in the real world first. By exporting all the coding to other countries you will dry up the market for programmers in the US. This in turn will discourage people from getting CS degrees and drastically srink the IT labor pool.
In the meantime the wealth of programmers in India and China will "graduate" to higer end IT tasks while still doing it cheaper then the US counterparts.
It doesn't look good for the future if you are in the US.
I find it facinating that MS presumes everybody will act just as evil as they do.
This is actually a pretty common thing. Have you noticed how evil people believe that everybody else is just like them?
Not under this administration. Maybe if a democrat gets elected in the next election you'd see some action on that front.
"There are some good Java IDEs, no doubt, but none of them can touch Visual Studio for, well, any single thing you could possibly want to do with an IDE."
One word.
Webobjects.
It's better then visual studio in just about any aspect you can imagine and it costs less.
Did you read the article? It expalins all that.
"Come on. It's their network. Why should MS pay for other IM clients to use their servers, if they don't want to? "
MS has to be treated differently because they are a monoply. What they are doing here probably goes against their settlement with the DOJ.
BTW they have 50 billion dollars in cash I really don't think they are worried about the expense of running an IM network.
" The US do not seem to be afraid to blame Saddam for any mayhem going on there, I have to disagree with you on that one, but agree substantially with the rest."
The US is willing to blame the "now defeated" saddam hussein and it's acts "in the past". It would be politically ruinious now to admit that saddam was still operating, organizing and executing complicated attacks like this.
Cos it's dying? :)
Seriously though..
I have noticed that most people who run freebsd came from linux. For some reason or another they got pissed off at linux and switched to BSD. I don't know anybody who started with BSD.
Maybe that's because there is not a comprehensive BSD distro like RedHat or Mandrake. One where you put in a CD and it autodetects everything, sets up your video and sound and gives you a slick desktop.
Lets face it BSD is not for newbies.
You can't wash the evil off of people. Rarely does somebody who is born a unethical bastard become a good person.
Unless God Almighty intervenes Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer and the rest of the bozos who work at MS will continue their sleazy slimy ways.
Better yet claim that a corporation has second amendment rights and start buying up tanks.
" Am I the only one who thinks there should be real penalties for this kind of behavior?"
It all depends on who you own.
The dotGNU web services license seems to be a superset of the GPL. I don't think the GPL forces you to distribute web services code.
"We do this all the time with SQL server. Most of our stored procedures return xml."
As long as that XML is never over 8K characters you are fine. Like everything else from Microsoft it works most of the time. You can't return text data type out of a stored procedure.
You wrote all those wonderful stored procedures and one day your application will fail because the length of your XML will exceed 8K. The horrible thing is that you will get the first 8K and there will not be an error message.
Good luck when that happens to you.
Don't you know?
You are free to completely ignore any part of the bible you don't like.
I am sure God says that someplace in the bible maybe right after he says to kill the homosexuals.