Last I checked SQL server was running something like twelve thousand dollars per processor. I hope you were making some serious bucks on that web site to justify that kind of expense.
Anything about table inheritance or triggers? I remember once mysql said they would never implement stored procs or triggers or referential integrity, it looks like they changed their minds.
" At that point, "if you don't like it, do it yourself" becomes an excuse, not a valid response."
It's not an excuse it's a valid response. Open source is about taking other people's code and making it better. How else is any of this shit going to get done? Do you really think that calling people fucktards makes them want to code better GUI's for you?
"And be prepared to receive critism for anything you present to the world"
Bulshit. It's a fucking gift. If you don't like it you don't get to throw it in the face of the person who gave it to you. It's rude and uncivilized.
What we need to do is to slam the shit out of any idiot who bitches and moans about something they got for free. It's better then slamming people who are trying to make a difference in the world. If the assholes aren't happey with something they got for free then they should pay for something else and shut the fuck up.
Yes but innovation won't happen unless people keep trying new stuff. Some stuff sticks some doesn't. If customizable skins (an open source innovation) was not important then MS would not have adopted it for XP. If MS thinks it's good enough to steal why don't you?
If what you say is true then linux is dead. Those whiners will never contribute but are simply leeches who suck the life out of programmers by constantly bitching and demeaning the programmers. For example JWZ calls the open source programmers "fucktards" in his rant.
Who wants to program for people who call you a fucktard and are too stupid/lazy/cheap to help you out in any way?
" If I brought home a hardware DV DVD player, set it up on top of my TV, "
If you brought home a hardware DVD player you could not get on the internet with it. You could not download movies with it. You could not rip dvds or MP3s with it. Not only that but the damned clock would be flashing at 12:00 for the rest of it's life because you could not figure out how to set it using the remote control or reading the manual.
"Well, that's fine. Good to have you guys out of the closet. Billgatus will take over the world - and hey, that's fine, since it won't stop you from coding."
If you don't code but spend all your time giving shit to people who do code, critizing the people who code, berating the people who code then they will stop coding too. Why should somebody spend their time coding when all they get in return is a bunch of whining asshole users who go on a tirade about how stupid the coder is?
"I disagree. When it comes to user interface conventions, Different=Bad."
As long as this attitude exists there will never be any innovation on the desktop. People critize Linux for not being innocvative and then slam them when anybody attempts something different.
Because it's much easier to whine then to help, it's much easier to point and laugh rather then engage in a constructive dialog.
JWZ is perfectly happy to pull a nelson by simply standing in the sidelines and yelling "HA HA". I don't mean to critizise him exclusively he is not alone in that regard.
He left the mozilla project and yet mozilla turned out to be an awsome browser (the best in the market IMHO) maybe he is a bit upset about that who knows.
Have you noticed how the sourceforge search engine is just about useless since they migrated to DB/2? When it was postgres it worked now it's pretty rare when you get search results, instead you get the "too busy" message.
" If, as you say they make 90% of the money, how can they not be paying at least 90% of the taxes? Do the math, the income tax is still progressive."
It's because the tax laws are not simple. Surely you know this. The federal tax code could fill up a few rooms in your house. You can't afford a lawyer or an accountant who knows the tax laws that well but the rich folks can and do. They very carefully manage their "income" to make sure a ton of money comes through the backdoor. Look at how much shit Jack Welsh was getting for "free" instead of cash. These people are not idiots. If a rich person like Jack Welsh or Rush Limbaugh can shave even a half a percent in taxes it adds up to another ferrari.
"those 5% that you cite pay 90% of the taxes already, "
The top 5% don't pay 90% of the taxes. They do however make more then 90% of the money. I think the top 5 (or the 10) ought to pay same percentage of the taxes as they make the income.
"Russia has far more oil and is more than willing to sell it. Iraq's oil reserves are not the largest in the world, and oil has little to do with the current situation."
The US is acting in a typical bully fashion. We can't attack north korea because they might actually hit back. We hit the smallest kid in the school and take his lunch money instead. Iraqs oil reserves are not the largest in the world but they are certainly enough for the US to use for a long time. If you can beat up a 90 pound weakling and a million dollars then you'd do it even in other people had more money. Attacking Iraq cost us nothing, no casualties, no lost investment in the US economy, no serious repercussions of any sort. We have been bombing them pretty steady for the last ten years anyway and most of them are starving.
"Or are you suggesting that we let a crazed dictator who is more than willing to gas his own people give the same capability to the various terrorist groups he's supported over the years?"
Crazed dictators are dime a dozen are you seriously suggesting that the US attack every country in which a crazed dictator lives? As for the gassing of his own people we didn't mind it then why are you upset about that 10 years later? In fact the US sold them those chemicals and the knowhow. Finally if you are going to attack every country who committed some sort of atrocity in the last couple of decades you will be pretty damned busy and the worst thing is you'd have to start with Israel. Of course they have weapons of mass destruction and are in violation of numerous UN security resolutions and kill a thousand palestenians a year so there can't possibly be any reason to attack them.
"Bush might not be as pristine in character as his PR folks try to make him look, but he's lightyears ahead of his predecessor in the departments of ethics and moral character."
If you think that lying about where your cock has been is worse then killing tens of thousands of innocent iraqui civilians, stipping liberties from US citizens, assasinating US citizens abroad, locking up us citizens without trial or lawyers indefinately, invading the privacy of every US citizen, making backroom deal with oil companies, loosening just about every enviromental regulation then your moral character is zero.
What the hell do you care about where Bill Clinton put his cock? I don't give a shit about his cock, I don't think about his cock, I don't ask about his cock, I don't talk about his cock (well I am now but that's because you brought it up). To me losing my rights and my money is more important then bill clinton's cock. How come bill clinton's cock is more important to you then the economy, losing your rights, the environment, or anything else?
" Word to developers - what you've done so far is great, but if you want to unseat MSFT, you've gotta make it so that Grandma can install it."
Tivo is not made by Microsoft. Before you go on a rant about how much oss sucks at least get your facts straight.
Your grandma is STUPID. She did not install her tivo, she did not install her windows. If your grandma is so stupid that she can not install windows why should she be allowed to install linux? Do you have any idea how much easier to install linux must be to allow somebody as clueless as your grandma to install it. Can she even turn on the god damned computer and stick in a CD without fucking it up? I don't think so.
"I'd say a (set of, for each supported motherboard-chipset/video-chipset combo) binaries ought to be a design goal, and I might even go so far as to say that distribution as an ISO wouldn't be out of the question."
I am so sorry that I have shackled your hands and feet for so long. Here let me undo those handcuffs so that you can get right on with this project. I know you have the brains to do it and I know you have the time (hell just stop posting here for a week) and it will be no time before you make a nice set of binaries for me to use. Of course you might have to put up with shit from people who complain about how hard it is to use or how ugly it looks but don't pay them any mind they are probably lazy ass idiots.
Finally even after being unshackled and using these OSS products you are still dissatisfied I would urge you to ask the authors for your money back.
The unpaid people who flame MS are simply trying to counteract the paid professionals from MS who flame open source, open source users, open source licenses, and open source developers. What would you have people do sit on their asses and say nothing when MS spreads FUD and calls people communist?
Shut and sit down is not a good strategy for fighting a war.
I followed your link and kept looking for an IIS download. I followed several links and still could not find an IIS download. I also could not find a download for NT server so I don't know why it's called the NT server download page.
So where is the IIS download and how do I make sure it hasn't been messed with.
I really don't see where you are coming from here. I have traveled extensively in my life and I can tell you from personal experience that the press is more free in most other countries I have been in. Of course I have never traveled in China or Russia or anything like that but most European and Asian countries have really great press. Not only can they attack the govt with a venagance they actually do muckraking and investigative reporting. In the US the press is little more then a megaphone for one of the two official parties. Politics aside the press in other countries are also more free to publish nudity and sestually explicit material. Pick up a fashion magazine in germany or a newpaper in japan and you'd be shocked at the level of nudity. I once saw a TV show in japan where they were weighing womens breasts! It was hilarious.
Also consider that the US has lots of very contrictive laws that can punish you after you print or say something. That combined with the civil lawsuits that frequently follow "free speech" and it all adds up to a pretty restrictive environment.
Religion.
America is the most religious democracy in the world. Virtually every member of the govt from top down are either christians or jews. The religous institutions wield uneblievable power in the policies and laws that are elected. Why is RU486 illegal? Why can't homosexuals marry? It all because of religion. Europe is much more secular then the US, even in Turkey it's illegal to wear religious garb into the senate chambers (in fact they had a politician do that and it was a huge fuss). In the US the senate prays every day to a christian god and jewish politicians wear yamurka (sp?) to work.
I don't want to go point by point but your other arguments are equally weak. You essentially start from a goofy premise then and follow up with some non sequiters and then claim America is better. Take for example the following quote.
"Reread my point. Most of these benefits are designed to benefit children not the couple."
What a silly premise. I can put my wife on my work health insurance whether I have children or not. My wife is considered my survivor whether we have children or not. None of the laws or taxes we have been talking about contain any reference to children.
I won't even start on how you could possibly think that most children born today are intentional.
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Last I checked SQL server was running something like twelve thousand dollars per processor. I hope you were making some serious bucks on that web site to justify that kind of expense.
Anything about table inheritance or triggers? I remember once mysql said they would never implement stored procs or triggers or referential integrity, it looks like they changed their minds.
" At that point, "if you don't like it, do it yourself" becomes an excuse, not a valid response."
It's not an excuse it's a valid response. Open source is about taking other people's code and making it better. How else is any of this shit going to get done? Do you really think that calling people fucktards makes them want to code better GUI's for you?
"And be prepared to receive critism for anything you present to the world"
Bulshit. It's a fucking gift. If you don't like it you don't get to throw it in the face of the person who gave it to you. It's rude and uncivilized.
What we need to do is to slam the shit out of any idiot who bitches and moans about something they got for free. It's better then slamming people who are trying to make a difference in the world. If the assholes aren't happey with something they got for free then they should pay for something else and shut the fuck up.
Yes but innovation won't happen unless people keep trying new stuff. Some stuff sticks some doesn't. If customizable skins (an open source innovation) was not important then MS would not have adopted it for XP. If MS thinks it's good enough to steal why don't you?
" The UI conventions should at least stop changing for a little while, before we start saying that it's time for a change, don't you think?"
No I don't. The windows paradigm was invented in early eighties for god's sake. Don't you think 20 years of the same interface is enough?
If what you say is true then linux is dead. Those whiners will never contribute but are simply leeches who suck the life out of programmers by constantly bitching and demeaning the programmers. For example JWZ calls the open source programmers "fucktards" in his rant.
Who wants to program for people who call you a fucktard and are too stupid/lazy/cheap to help you out in any way?
" If I brought home a hardware DV DVD player, set it up on top of my TV, "
If you brought home a hardware DVD player you could not get on the internet with it. You could not download movies with it. You could not rip dvds or MP3s with it. Not only that but the damned clock would be flashing at 12:00 for the rest of it's life because you could not figure out how to set it using the remote control or reading the manual.
"This is probably going to be an unpopular post, but oh well."
What? This is slashdot. Any post which critisizes linux or praises MS get modded up to 5. Like yours did.
Nevertheless a guy with web pages that ugly and unusable has no right critizising anybody else.
So you consider calling the guy who wrote an application and gave it to you for free a "fucktard" civilized behavior?
JWZ is the fucktard here. A rude whining bastard.
"Well, that's fine. Good to have you guys out of the closet. Billgatus will take over the world - and hey, that's fine, since it won't stop you from coding."
If you don't code but spend all your time giving shit to people who do code, critizing the people who code, berating the people who code then they will stop coding too. Why should somebody spend their time coding when all they get in return is a bunch of whining asshole users who go on a tirade about how stupid the coder is?
Andy yet you give up the ability to pipe that gui to the next application. In that case what you lose is more then what you gain.
"I disagree. When it comes to user interface conventions, Different=Bad."
As long as this attitude exists there will never be any innovation on the desktop. People critize Linux for not being innocvative and then slam them when anybody attempts something different.
Can't win.
Because it's much easier to whine then to help, it's much easier to point and laugh rather then engage in a constructive dialog.
JWZ is perfectly happy to pull a nelson by simply standing in the sidelines and yelling "HA HA". I don't mean to critizise him exclusively he is not alone in that regard.
He left the mozilla project and yet mozilla turned out to be an awsome browser (the best in the market IMHO) maybe he is a bit upset about that who knows.
Have you noticed how the sourceforge search engine is just about useless since they migrated to DB/2? When it was postgres it worked now it's pretty rare when you get search results, instead you get the "too busy" message.
It should be fun to watch though. Who will MS backstab and what will happen after that?
" If, as you say they make 90% of the money, how can they not be paying at least 90% of the taxes? Do the math, the income tax is still progressive."
It's because the tax laws are not simple. Surely you know this. The federal tax code could fill up a few rooms in your house. You can't afford a lawyer or an accountant who knows the tax laws that well but the rich folks can and do. They very carefully manage their "income" to make sure a ton of money comes through the backdoor. Look at how much shit Jack Welsh was getting for "free" instead of cash. These people are not idiots. If a rich person like Jack Welsh or Rush Limbaugh can shave even a half a percent in taxes it adds up to another ferrari.
"those 5% that you cite pay 90% of the taxes already, "
The top 5% don't pay 90% of the taxes. They do however make more then 90% of the money. I think the top 5 (or the 10) ought to pay same percentage of the taxes as they make the income.
"Russia has far more oil and is more than willing to sell it. Iraq's oil reserves are not the largest in the world, and oil has little to do with the current situation."
The US is acting in a typical bully fashion. We can't attack north korea because they might actually hit back. We hit the smallest kid in the school and take his lunch money instead. Iraqs oil reserves are not the largest in the world but they are certainly enough for the US to use for a long time. If you can beat up a 90 pound weakling and a million dollars then you'd do it even in other people had more money. Attacking Iraq cost us nothing, no casualties, no lost investment in the US economy, no serious repercussions of any sort. We have been bombing them pretty steady for the last ten years anyway and most of them are starving.
"Or are you suggesting that we let a crazed dictator who is more than willing to gas his own people give the same capability to the various terrorist groups he's supported over the years?"
Crazed dictators are dime a dozen are you seriously suggesting that the US attack every country in which a crazed dictator lives? As for the gassing of his own people we didn't mind it then why are you upset about that 10 years later? In fact the US sold them those chemicals and the knowhow. Finally if you are going to attack every country who committed some sort of atrocity in the last couple of decades you will be pretty damned busy and the worst thing is you'd have to start with Israel. Of course they have weapons of mass destruction and are in violation of numerous UN security resolutions and kill a thousand palestenians a year so there can't possibly be any reason to attack them.
"Bush might not be as pristine in character as his PR folks try to make him look, but he's lightyears ahead of his predecessor in the departments of ethics and moral character."
If you think that lying about where your cock has been is worse then killing tens of thousands of innocent iraqui civilians, stipping liberties from US citizens, assasinating US citizens abroad, locking up us citizens without trial or lawyers indefinately, invading the privacy of every US citizen, making backroom deal with oil companies, loosening just about every enviromental regulation then your moral character is zero.
What the hell do you care about where Bill Clinton put his cock? I don't give a shit about his cock, I don't think about his cock, I don't ask about his cock, I don't talk about his cock (well I am now but that's because you brought it up). To me losing my rights and my money is more important then bill clinton's cock. How come bill clinton's cock is more important to you then the economy, losing your rights, the environment, or anything else?
Why do morons get modded up so high?
" Word to developers - what you've done so far is great, but if you want to unseat MSFT, you've gotta make it so that Grandma can install it."
Tivo is not made by Microsoft. Before you go on a rant about how much oss sucks at least get your facts straight.
Your grandma is STUPID. She did not install her tivo, she did not install her windows. If your grandma is so stupid that she can not install windows why should she be allowed to install linux? Do you have any idea how much easier to install linux must be to allow somebody as clueless as your grandma to install it. Can she even turn on the god damned computer and stick in a CD without fucking it up? I don't think so.
"I'd say a (set of, for each supported motherboard-chipset/video-chipset combo) binaries ought to be a design goal, and I might even go so far as to say that distribution as an ISO wouldn't be out of the question."
I am so sorry that I have shackled your hands and feet for so long. Here let me undo those handcuffs so that you can get right on with this project. I know you have the brains to do it and I know you have the time (hell just stop posting here for a week) and it will be no time before you make a nice set of binaries for me to use. Of course you might have to put up with shit from people who complain about how hard it is to use or how ugly it looks but don't pay them any mind they are probably lazy ass idiots.
Finally even after being unshackled and using these OSS products you are still dissatisfied I would urge you to ask the authors for your money back.
" It is probably a mistake to take public statements at face value."
Yes that's because they are habitual liars. I think one of the requirements for promotion at MS is to lie to 10 people by lunch every day.
I think MS is very worried about it's public image. Why else are there so many MS trolls here. Not only that but thel also mod each up like hell.
The unpaid people who flame MS are simply trying to counteract the paid professionals from MS who flame open source, open source users, open source licenses, and open source developers. What would you have people do sit on their asses and say nothing when MS spreads FUD and calls people communist?
Shut and sit down is not a good strategy for fighting a war.
I followed your link and kept looking for an IIS download. I followed several links and still could not find an IIS download. I also could not find a download for NT server so I don't know why it's called the NT server download page.
So where is the IIS download and how do I make sure it hasn't been messed with.
I really don't see where you are coming from here. I have traveled extensively in my life and I can tell you from personal experience that the press is more free in most other countries I have been in. Of course I have never traveled in China or Russia or anything like that but most European and Asian countries have really great press. Not only can they attack the govt with a venagance they actually do muckraking and investigative reporting. In the US the press is little more then a megaphone for one of the two official parties. Politics aside the press in other countries are also more free to publish nudity and sestually explicit material. Pick up a fashion magazine in germany or a newpaper in japan and you'd be shocked at the level of nudity. I once saw a TV show in japan where they were weighing womens breasts! It was hilarious.
Also consider that the US has lots of very contrictive laws that can punish you after you print or say something. That combined with the civil lawsuits that frequently follow "free speech" and it all adds up to a pretty restrictive environment.
Religion.
America is the most religious democracy in the world. Virtually every member of the govt from top down are either christians or jews. The religous institutions wield uneblievable power in the policies and laws that are elected. Why is RU486 illegal? Why can't homosexuals marry? It all because of religion. Europe is much more secular then the US, even in Turkey it's illegal to wear religious garb into the senate chambers (in fact they had a politician do that and it was a huge fuss). In the US the senate prays every day to a christian god and jewish politicians wear yamurka (sp?) to work.
I don't want to go point by point but your other arguments are equally weak. You essentially start from a goofy premise then and follow up with some non sequiters and then claim America is better. Take for example the following quote.
"Reread my point. Most of these benefits are designed to benefit children not the couple."
What a silly premise. I can put my wife on my work health insurance whether I have children or not. My wife is considered my survivor whether we have children or not. None of the laws or taxes we have been talking about contain any reference to children.
I won't even start on how you could possibly think that most children born today are intentional.