"Are you honestly claiming that the US urged Iraq to invade Kuwait, and then attacked Iraq for doing the same?"
Yes. Look into it. There is plenty of evidence.
Yes, the US urged Iraq to attack Iran. Saddam could have turned the US down, but didn't because Iran was too tempting for conquest.
Here you are just making shit up. We hated Iran, we paid saddam to attack iran. We armed saddam to the teeth, we gave him lots of money.
that's what we do man. We prop up dictators and pay them money and then try to kill them. We did the same with Pinochet, bin laden, taliban, noriega, marcos etc. Nobody perpetuates facism and dictatorships like the US. This is because at the core the people who run this country (the rich) have a profound distain for democracy.
"But obviously, you have become so anti-American in your view of the world"
It saddens me that the educational system in this country has sunk to such low depths. Here is a guy who is so unable to grasp complex issues that he distills it into the simplest terms possible (suitable for any two year old) "If you disagree with me then it must be because you hate the US".
We used to have the best educational system in the world now it spits out people who fall apart at the slightest hint of complexity. Sad sad sad.
As for the rest.
"A nation must react to threats to the lives and interests of its citizens."
Iraquis never attacked the US, that was saudi arabians. You should be calling for the bombing of saudi citizens.
"Moreover, people and the nations composed of them naturally want to help those being unjustly oppressed or slaughtered."
This of course is pure bullshit. We are extremely selective about who we help and who we don't. It has nothing to do with morals, ethics, justice or anything and everything to do with oil, corporate interests amd money. Look no further then palestine for an example. They are opressed, occupied, under curfew, tortured, imprisoned without due process and the US does nothing. In fact the US gives money and arms to their opressors. There have been about a dozen American Citizens that have been killed by Israel and not a peep from George Bush. Imagine if any other army of any other country killed US citizens. When Bin Laden killed American citizens we bombed an entire country to bits. When Israel kills American citizens nothing.
" I don't think any government agency should be spending tax dollars trying to convince people to support it."
Hey I have an idea. Maybe the republicans should not spend govt money bashing hard working people trying to feed their families. Why can't they just be happy drving their BMWs and sailing their yachts? Why do they have to spend govt money calling hard working americans communists?
Caring for iraquis sure as shit is not bombing the fuck out them again. In case the you missed the last couple of decades that's how we fight wars now. We bomb the shit out of people for months, we destory electricrical and water facilities, bridges, roads, industrial facilities, factories etc. This makes sure people starve for at least a decade after we are done bombing them. Cool huh? Now that iraq has finallyre built all those destroyed civilian facilites we will bomb them again.
Ask yourself this. What have the iraqis ever done to americans? The answer is nothing!
This next round of slaughter has only one purpose. To get GW re-elected. You can be sure it will be well timed so conside with the 2004 election.
Apparently I need to clarify this for you. Ok I'll try again and use smaller words just so you can get it.
1) republicans attack the postal service. 2) republicans attack the postal service employees. 3) republicans attack all federal workers. 4) The postal service and it's employees get vilified by the republicans and the republican controlled media. 5) The postal service feels the need to portray a positive image of itself in order to convince people that they are not actually evil, communist, anti american terrorists that the republicans claim they are. 6) they choose to sponsor a bicycling team (probably because it was the cheapest thing to sponsor). 7) Much to chagring of republicans this team happens the contain what is arguably the best athlete in the world. The team wins the tour de france year after year. Lance Armstrong beats testicular cancer thereby giving the media something to talk about.
finally
8) Having failed to convince the american public that federal employees are communist, homosexual child molesting terrorists the republicans bitch and moan about the postal service wasting money to sponsor a cycling team while they drive the economy into the ground.
Imagine if the postal service ran it's business like the republicans are running this economy!.
Oh yea the cato institute, now there is a rational unbiased bunch of individuals with no axe to grind.
If you believe that bunch of bozos I got a bridge to sell you. Let me clue you in. The cato institute is nothing but a fund raising arm of the republican party. To them feeding your family and not charging for it is socialism.
Bull fucking shit. The entire lance armstrong budget is less then the worth of a closet full of suits in the house of any major CEO in this country.
Have you ever considered the fact they might feel the need to advertise because the repubicans are on the warpath against the postal service, the postal service employees and every other federal worker?
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No doubt but so what? Are you saying that it's OK for republicans to limit your right to sue because if the democrats got money from big business they would too?
This is your stock MS troll answer. It's OK to act evil because other people might also act evil if they were in the same position.
It's not right no matter who does it. In this case the republicans are doing something that is evil and they should be called on it.
Spoekn like a man who has never used it. It's so much better then IE. No popups, ability to block advertising, tabbed browsing, ability to prevent animated images, ability to block cookies and images on a per site basis. I could go on and on.
Mozilla is the best browser made to date. IE is not even a browser anymore. It's an advertising delivery mechanism, it's a MSN hit generator, it's a passport sign up generator. The fact that it can render HTML is a pure coincidence.
IE was made to leverage MS monopoly to other markets, Mozilla was made to be the best browser for you.
I am so sick and tired of idiots repeating this. In what way does not mozilla look like a windows application? It has a menu bar on the top, it has a tool bar, it has scroll bars, it has tabs, what else do you want?
Name one thing in mozilla that is not windows like I dare you.
Amazing!. So your boss turns away 10% of his customers and tells them to go shop elsewhere. He must be a genius if he can take a 10% hit in revenue and profits and still compete. He must be a cushy market. I know that most businesses could not afford to take a 10% cut without lying people off of other drastic measures.
What's most amazing to me is that it's relatively easy to just to stick to standards and have pages that view great in both IE and Mozilla. In fact if you use almost any tool other then frontpage you will have no problems. But if you want to go tell 10% of the people who come to your site to go screw themselves it's nobody's business but yours.
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Nevertheless it's the republicans who are fighting so hard to limit liability and your right to sue.
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Tort reform is a republican issue. It's the republicans who refer to "trial lawyers" as if they were some kind of a sub human vermin to be shot on sight.
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Still you don't hear the democrats whining about lawyers and calling for limits on judgements.
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IF the jury awards him anything whose fault is that? You are blaming the lawyers as if they make the verdicts.
It's a puzzle as to why ms is sitting on so much cash. I raise the question in my sig. My guess is that Bill Gates knows something we don't. Whatever this thing is will be so catastrophic that MS will need 40 billion in cash to come out of it whole. What could it be? Some guesses.
MS is a target for terrorists. This is certainly plausable. A dirty bomb exploded in redmond would crush MS in a big way and you'd need 40 billion to rebuild. MS will be split up. The US economy is on the brink of a collapse. The world economy is on the brink of a collapse. MS plans on folding shop in the US and moving to another country (perhaps Bill gates will buy haiti, cuba, philipines or something). It will need that cash when the US economy crashes as a result.
I am sure you can come up with other scenarios but these I see as most likely.
Bear in mind I am not saying that I think these things are imminent just that Bill Gates thinks they are imminent and that's why he is hoarding cash.
none of those make up a significant percentage of MS profit. In fact most of them are money losers and are being subsidized by the MS monopolies of windows and office. MSN, IM,.NET, Xbox etc are all losing money and certainly would have gone belly up if they had to fend for themselves.
For any other company this would be called dumping and declared illegal but if you own the attorney general then it's OK.
BTW. whether or not.NET makes money is kind of a silly question..NET is nothing more then a marketing term. Every MS product has or will have the.NET label on it which makes the whole question kind of moot. Even the ham sandwiches at the MS cafeteria will be called "sandwich.NET version 8" (naturally versions 1-7 never existed, this is MS marketing after all).
You have to remember that most of the pro business people on this board are MS employees. They automatically assume every business is run like MS. They presume that every corporation is unethical as theirs. I guess they would have to assume that otherwise they would lose a lot of sleep.
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"Are you honestly claiming that the US urged Iraq to invade Kuwait, and then attacked Iraq for doing the same?"
Yes. Look into it. There is plenty of evidence.
Yes, the US urged Iraq to attack Iran. Saddam could have turned the US down, but didn't because Iran was too tempting for conquest.
Here you are just making shit up. We hated Iran, we paid saddam to attack iran. We armed saddam to the teeth, we gave him lots of money.
that's what we do man. We prop up dictators and pay them money and then try to kill them. We did the same with Pinochet, bin laden, taliban, noriega, marcos etc. Nobody perpetuates facism and dictatorships like the US. This is because at the core the people who run this country (the rich) have a profound distain for democracy.
"But obviously, you have become so anti-American in your view of the world"
It saddens me that the educational system in this country has sunk to such low depths. Here is a guy who is so unable to grasp complex issues that he distills it into the simplest terms possible (suitable for any two year old) "If you disagree with me then it must be because you hate the US".
We used to have the best educational system in the world now it spits out people who fall apart at the slightest hint of complexity. Sad sad sad.
As for the rest.
"A nation must react to threats to the lives and interests of its citizens."
Iraquis never attacked the US, that was saudi arabians. You should be calling for the bombing of saudi citizens.
"Moreover, people and the nations composed of them naturally want to help those being unjustly oppressed or slaughtered."
This of course is pure bullshit. We are extremely selective about who we help and who we don't. It has nothing to do with morals, ethics, justice or anything and everything to do with oil, corporate interests amd money. Look no further then palestine for an example. They are opressed, occupied, under curfew, tortured, imprisoned without due process and the US does nothing. In fact the US gives money and arms to their opressors. There have been about a dozen American Citizens that have been killed by Israel and not a peep from George Bush. Imagine if any other army of any other country killed US citizens. When Bin Laden killed American citizens we bombed an entire country to bits. When Israel kills American citizens nothing.
"What has Iraq done to every country around it that looked vulnerable? Attacked it."
Jeez man you have to get your news from some other source then fox. Iraq has attacked two counties iran and kuwait. Both at the urging of the US.
When the internet was populated by geeks only (and smart ones at that).
Looking back at it maybe we should have killed it while it was young.
No it's a recent phenamenom. Corn is now the most succesfull species in the north american continent.
"inner city folks" was a euphomism for "nigger".
Sometimes they also use the word "urban" to indicate "nigger" as in "Troubled urban youth".
" Are you forgetting to include the money that
pays the armed goons that protect the USPS monopoly?"
Aren't those exact same armed goons that enforce contracts between corporations?
" I don't think any government agency should be spending tax dollars trying to convince people to support it."
Hey I have an idea. Maybe the republicans should not spend govt money bashing hard working people trying to feed their families. Why can't they just be happy drving their BMWs and sailing their yachts? Why do they have to spend govt money calling hard working americans communists?
Corn is also fed to farmed fish, fowl, dogs, cats and every other livestock/pet. Corn has taken over america.
Caring for iraquis sure as shit is not bombing the fuck out them again. In case the you missed the last couple of decades that's how we fight wars now. We bomb the shit out of people for months, we destory electricrical and water facilities, bridges, roads, industrial facilities, factories etc. This makes sure people starve for at least a decade after we are done bombing them. Cool huh? Now that iraq has finallyre built all those destroyed civilian facilites we will bomb them again.
Ask yourself this. What have the iraqis ever done to americans? The answer is nothing!
This next round of slaughter has only one purpose. To get GW re-elected. You can be sure it will be well timed so conside with the 2004 election.
Apparently I need to clarify this for you. Ok I'll try again and use smaller words just so you can get it.
1) republicans attack the postal service.
2) republicans attack the postal service employees.
3) republicans attack all federal workers.
4) The postal service and it's employees get vilified by the republicans and the republican controlled media.
5) The postal service feels the need to portray a positive image of itself in order to convince people that they are not actually evil, communist, anti american terrorists that the republicans claim they are.
6) they choose to sponsor a bicycling team (probably because it was the cheapest thing to sponsor).
7) Much to chagring of republicans this team happens the contain what is arguably the best athlete in the world. The team wins the tour de france year after year. Lance Armstrong beats testicular cancer thereby giving the media something to talk about.
finally
8) Having failed to convince the american public that federal employees are communist, homosexual child molesting terrorists the republicans bitch and moan about the postal service wasting money to sponsor a cycling team while they drive the economy into the ground.
Imagine if the postal service ran it's business like the republicans are running this economy!.
Get it now?
Hey wait a minute now. You were not expecting the cato institute of bothering with the facts were you?
Oh yea the cato institute, now there is a rational unbiased bunch of individuals with no axe to grind.
If you believe that bunch of bozos I got a bridge to sell you. Let me clue you in. The cato institute is nothing but a fund raising arm of the republican party. To them feeding your family and not charging for it is socialism.
Bull fucking shit. The entire lance armstrong budget is less then the worth of a closet full of suits in the house of any major CEO in this country.
Have you ever considered the fact they might feel the need to advertise because the repubicans are on the warpath against the postal service, the postal service employees and every other federal worker?
No doubt but so what? Are you saying that it's OK for republicans to limit your right to sue because if the democrats got money from big business they would too?
This is your stock MS troll answer. It's OK to act evil because other people might also act evil if they were in the same position.
It's not right no matter who does it. In this case the republicans are doing something that is evil and they should be called on it.
" but it's still a mediocre browser."
Spoekn like a man who has never used it. It's so much better then IE. No popups, ability to block advertising, tabbed browsing, ability to prevent animated images, ability to block cookies and images on a per site basis. I could go on and on.
Mozilla is the best browser made to date. IE is not even a browser anymore. It's an advertising delivery mechanism, it's a MSN hit generator, it's a passport sign up generator. The fact that it can render HTML is a pure coincidence.
IE was made to leverage MS monopoly to other markets, Mozilla was made to be the best browser for you.
"it should look like a windows application."
I am so sick and tired of idiots repeating this. In what way does not mozilla look like a windows application? It has a menu bar on the top, it has a tool bar, it has scroll bars, it has tabs, what else do you want?
Name one thing in mozilla that is not windows like I dare you.
Amazing!. So your boss turns away 10% of his customers and tells them to go shop elsewhere. He must be a genius if he can take a 10% hit in revenue and profits and still compete. He must be a cushy market. I know that most businesses could not afford to take a 10% cut without lying people off of other drastic measures.
What's most amazing to me is that it's relatively easy to just to stick to standards and have pages that view great in both IE and Mozilla. In fact if you use almost any tool other then frontpage you will have no problems. But if you want to go tell 10% of the people who come to your site to go screw themselves it's nobody's business but yours.
Nevertheless it's the republicans who are fighting so hard to limit liability and your right to sue.
Tort reform is a republican issue. It's the republicans who refer to "trial lawyers" as if they were some kind of a sub human vermin to be shot on sight.
Still you don't hear the democrats whining about lawyers and calling for limits on judgements.
IF the jury awards him anything whose fault is that? You are blaming the lawyers as if they make the verdicts.
It's a puzzle as to why ms is sitting on so much cash. I raise the question in my sig. My guess is that Bill Gates knows something we don't. Whatever this thing is will be so catastrophic that MS will need 40 billion in cash to come out of it whole. What could it be? Some guesses.
MS is a target for terrorists. This is certainly plausable. A dirty bomb exploded in redmond would crush MS in a big way and you'd need 40 billion to rebuild.
MS will be split up.
The US economy is on the brink of a collapse.
The world economy is on the brink of a collapse.
MS plans on folding shop in the US and moving to another country (perhaps Bill gates will buy haiti, cuba, philipines or something). It will need that cash when the US economy crashes as a result.
I am sure you can come up with other scenarios but these I see as most likely.
Bear in mind I am not saying that I think these things are imminent just that Bill Gates thinks they are imminent and that's why he is hoarding cash.
none of those make up a significant percentage of MS profit. In fact most of them are money losers and are being subsidized by the MS monopolies of windows and office. MSN, IM, .NET, Xbox etc are all losing money and certainly would have gone belly up if they had to fend for themselves.
.NET makes money is kind of a silly question. .NET is nothing more then a marketing term. Every MS product has or will have the .NET label on it which makes the whole question kind of moot. Even the ham sandwiches at the MS cafeteria will be called "sandwich .NET version 8" (naturally versions 1-7 never existed, this is MS marketing after all).
For any other company this would be called dumping and declared illegal but if you own the attorney general then it's OK.
BTW. whether or not
You have to remember that most of the pro business people on this board are MS employees. They automatically assume every business is run like MS. They presume that every corporation is unethical as theirs. I guess they would have to assume that otherwise they would lose a lot of sleep.