Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Imagine trying to maintain an application where 50 developers used 20 languages. Yikes! Any program manager that allowed that to happen ought to be shot.
Besides you will not be able use perl anyways. It will be "managed" perl. Which to you will mean a mutant bastard stepchild of perl much like VB.NET is a mutant bastard stepchild of VB.
" It is very possible that.NET will suceed where Java failed - true cross platform, high-quality application development environment."
Well there are two things wrong with this sentence.
1) What makes you think Java failed in being a true cross platform high quality application development environment? What is your definition of fail in the first place? Are you saying there are no applications written in java that are cross platform? This is a nonsensical thing to say considering the millions of java devlopers in the world and the tens of thousands of businesses using it every day in massive scaled applications. You must have some really whacked definition of the word "fail".
2) GNU will create mono. Mono will run C#. It will not be 100% compatible with the MS implementation. This is because MS holds patents on most of the.NET infrastructure. Also the some of the most important parts of the.NET are not submitted to any standards body and are not published. Mono will have to do without them.
Mono will not bring cross platfrom capabilities to.NET.
Hey moron wake the fuck up willya. Listen you shit for brains we are talking about media here. I know you are probably too stupid to actually understand this but get this, it's possible to put other things on media. Things like books, sounds, and yes even things like medical records. That media could contain your bank account, your contracts, your stock certificates, your entire idendity and life.
It's people like you who are unable to think beyond the obvious who threaten this country much more then any terrorists ever do. Keep pretending it's about renting movies you ignorant fuck. You and the rest of sheeple ought to be lined up and turned into dogfood at least you'll be put to use feeding a higher order thinking animal.
"What's your problem with libertarianism, anyway?"
My beef with libertarianism (aside from all the bold tags) is that it's a fantasy trying to pass itself off as a philosophy. At no time in history has any society formed a libertarian society. Even the smallest of tribes int he deepest jungle elect chiefs and form governments.
Please point to one civiliation andywhere anytime that ruled itself with no government and survived more then a few years or grew to become influencial even in the narrowest sense of the word.
You wait. Everything they did was legal and nobody will go to jail. Even if some things they did were quasi-illegal or misdemenors they shredded the documents and of course the primary whistleblower "committed suice" a la vince foster.
"Nope: you will also have the choice of NOT buying it!"
Yea I guess much like you have choice of not living in a house or an apartment and a choice of not driving a car. For most people it will not be a choice.
All of europe combined probably would not produce as much silver as a couple of western could. Yet another example of "he who controls the most natural resources wins"
Oh yea. The price of rentals in New York have nothing to with too many people and not enough places to live. If the govt simply lifted their regulations everybody in new york would be paying $200.00 per month for those luxury suites.
" At the price set by the government? I come from the country, where this was the case, and as a result there was no milk in the stores."
Hey Mr. Clueless man. In most states (maybe even all) the price of milk is regulated. Did you know that? Dairy farming is also subsidized did you know that? Perhaps you ought to do some research first before blathering your liberterian drivel.
"Ah, okay, that clears things up a little at least. Regardless though, GWB didn't lift a finger to keep Enron from going under, so obviously they didn't buy as much influence as they thought, eh?"
What the fuck? So GWB saw that his buddy was going to screw his shareholders and didn't help so what? What about the past few years?
The real scandal is this. When all is said and done nobody will go to jail. We as a nation will find out that everything Enron and Kenny boy did was 100% purely legal. You know why? Becuase kenny may be greedy, slimy bastard but he is not stupid. He bought the laws he needed. Why do something illegal when you own congress and the presidency?
Why do you think GWB did nothing to ease the suffering of californians? 1) because they did not vote for him. 2) because enron made a killing and gave some of that money to GWB.
Enron had been profitting from their association with GWB and other influencial politicians for years. Only a man to profound ignorance would claim that enron's contributions went to waste or the GWB "did nothing for them". The fact is Dick Cheney and GWB made enron billions by relaxing environmental laws, pushing deregulation, not stepping in during the california energy crisis etc.
"I vote with my dollar. And my dollar won't be buying a use-once disc."
You seem to be under the mpression that this technology is aimed at consumers. It's not. It's aimed at publishers. You will not have a choice of paying one dollar for a one-use disc and 10 dollars for a unlimited use disc. You will only have the choice of paying 10 dollars for a one-use disc.
Free as in beer, source available but I am not sure if the license is compatible with OSS, works with interbase, windows only, integrates with VC++, Delphi etc.
I think people have misunderstood Miguel. What he has done here is to use MS as an R&D dept. MS spent millions researching.NET and built a comprehensive set of tools. GNU (and the rest of us) can benefit from this research, they can take the best ideas from.NET and implement them in MONO. This is a GoodThing.
There could be a problem if MS shifts the spec or extends the spec. At that point if Miguel decides to chase MS he loses. If he decides to "fork".NET and stick with the standards he wins because.NET will become fragmented.
I think Miguel knows what he is doing. I say give him a chance if history is any indicator he will kick ass.
In essence.NET and C# are full of ideas borrowed from JAVA, DELPHI, DCOM etc. Why not pull an MS here and embrace your enemies. Take their ideas and run with them!
I guess that's what passes for innovation at MS these days. Chasing the taillights of open source developers. Too bad red hat did not get a patent on embedding a web server in the kernel.
If they used any GPLed software for their enterprise edition they are obligated by license to release it under the GPL. The GPL is designed to prevent people from taking the code and using it in a proprietary product.
Star office is not written in java. Java is easier to debug then C. So far you are betting 0%.
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I think most people don't get what he is trying to do. Here is my take on the situation.
Migues is using MS as an R&D dept. MS spends money on R&D and Miguel looks at what they have done and dupes it!. It's a great idea. Overall I agree with this stradegy but the real test will come later. What happens when MS ignores the ECMA standard and changes.NET or C# to lock out Miguel? If at that point Miguel tries to change his implementation to match the MS one he is doomed. If he declares that he will stick to the published standard and officially "forks" the.NET he wins and MS loses because.NET will suffer the same fate as commercial unixes.
Has anyone asked him that??
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Alas I am afraid VA has lost credibility. Where is the oft promised sourceforge open edition (or whatever they were calling it)?. They have been acting shamefully about it. In a very real sense they took GPLed software and closed it off. For the life of me I don't know why they aren't being sued by the FSF.
"From my experience apps based on java like star office tend to be slow and bring a whole lot of there own problems with them."
Oh many I thought you were actually being serious for a minute there then I read the above sentence and could not stop laughing to read the rest of your post.
If everybody who used them actually paid the authors 5 or ten bucks they would not need to charge 40. They charge 40 because only a tiny percentage fo the people actually pay.
"Fish come from near the surface, all the way to the bottom of the sea. We only harvest from the upper "few hundred feet" of the sea."
All the life in the ocean depends on plankton which live in the first few feet. Considering the fact that plankton also produce a significant percentage of the oxygen in the atmosphere eliminating the life on the top three feet of ocean could kill everything not just the fish.
"Oil and coal come from thousands of feet below the surface and believe it or not, energy sources are very important to our survival."
the first few feet of soil contain just about all the bacteria, microbes, worms etc that enable plants to grow and flourish. Although to your typical economist (or republican) these things are worthless they enable us to live. Without them we won't need the oil, gas, coal or other things.
"even if the top 3 feet of the Earth were removed, along with the resident ecologies, this planet would still be far more habitable to humans than any other in the solar system."
That statement carries no meaning. It may be "more habitable" but I doubt it will be actually habitable. Without the first three feet you have no fish, and almost no vegetation. Maybe a few thousand humans could scrape a living but I doubt even that because we have no idea what kind of athmospheric and oceanographic effects the disappearance of sea life would have. It could very well ice over the planet or burn it. The carbon balance is a tricky thing.
"Now you can use the Solaris[tm] 8 Operating Environment at home or at work -- without paying a license fee. For only the cost of media ($75 U.S.) plus shipping, you can use the software on an unlimited number of computers with a capacity of eight or fewer CPUs."
"In terms of real forested area, over 65% of NY state is forested, more than there was 150 years ago."
Ah yes the fine art of lying, you practice it very well my friend. Yes what you say is the truth but it's not the whole truth or nothing but the thruth. as This report shows there is less forest in NY then there was in 1600 and 1700. Not only that but the rate of reforestation has leveled off and is possibly dropping again. Again that's just in the north.
As the report I mentioned also makes clear the forests elsewhere are being cut down to make up for the offset.
That's just America though. Of course we stripped the northwest first and then replanted some of it as we started logging the west.
Worldwide the picture is a whole lot different. Right now for example it's cheaper to buy logs from canada then to log them here. We will probably stabilize and the canadians will cut more. In other places they are going to run out trees withing a hundred years.
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Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Imagine trying to maintain an application where 50 developers used 20 languages. Yikes! Any program manager that allowed that to happen ought to be shot.
Besides you will not be able use perl anyways. It will be "managed" perl. Which to you will mean a mutant bastard stepchild of perl much like VB.NET is a mutant bastard stepchild of VB.
Might as well use C#
" It is very possible that .NET will suceed where Java failed - true cross platform, high-quality application development environment."
.NET infrastructure. Also the some of the most important parts of the .NET are not submitted to any standards body and are not published. Mono will have to do without them.
.NET.
Well there are two things wrong with this sentence.
1) What makes you think Java failed in being a true cross platform high quality application development environment? What is your definition of fail in the first place? Are you saying there are no applications written in java that are cross platform? This is a nonsensical thing to say considering the millions of java devlopers in the world and the tens of thousands of businesses using it every day in massive scaled applications. You must have some really whacked definition of the word "fail".
2) GNU will create mono. Mono will run C#. It will not be 100% compatible with the MS implementation. This is because MS holds patents on most of the
Mono will not bring cross platfrom capabilities to
Hey moron wake the fuck up willya. Listen you shit for brains we are talking about media here. I know you are probably too stupid to actually understand this but get this, it's possible to put other things on media. Things like books, sounds, and yes even things like medical records. That media could contain your bank account, your contracts, your stock certificates, your entire idendity and life.
It's people like you who are unable to think beyond the obvious who threaten this country much more then any terrorists ever do. Keep pretending it's about renting movies you ignorant fuck. You and the rest of sheeple ought to be lined up and turned into dogfood at least you'll be put to use feeding a higher order thinking animal.
"What's your problem with libertarianism, anyway?"
My beef with libertarianism (aside from all the bold tags) is that it's a fantasy trying to pass itself off as a philosophy. At no time in history has any society formed a libertarian society. Even the smallest of tribes int he deepest jungle elect chiefs and form governments.
Please point to one civiliation andywhere anytime that ruled itself with no government and survived more then a few years or grew to become influencial even in the narrowest sense of the word.
You wait. Everything they did was legal and nobody will go to jail. Even if some things they did were quasi-illegal or misdemenors they shredded the documents and of course the primary whistleblower "committed suice" a la vince foster.
"Nope: you will also have the choice of NOT buying it!"
Yea I guess much like you have choice of not living in a house or an apartment and a choice of not driving a car. For most people it will not be a choice.
" You're right. If there were no chainsaws, people wouldn't cut off their fingers with them."
And yet chainsaws have all kinds safety devices built into them to prevent people from hurting themselves.
All of europe combined probably would not produce as much silver as a couple of western could. Yet another example of "he who controls the most natural resources wins"
Oh yea. The price of rentals in New York have nothing to with too many people and not enough places to live. If the govt simply lifted their regulations everybody in new york would be paying $200.00 per month for those luxury suites.
" At the price set by the government? I come from the country, where this was the case, and as a result there was no milk in the stores."
Hey Mr. Clueless man. In most states (maybe even all) the price of milk is regulated. Did you know that? Dairy farming is also subsidized did you know that? Perhaps you ought to do some research first before blathering your liberterian drivel.
"Ah, okay, that clears things up a little at least. Regardless though, GWB didn't lift a finger to keep Enron from going under, so obviously they didn't buy as much influence as they thought, eh?"
What the fuck? So GWB saw that his buddy was going to screw his shareholders and didn't help so what? What about the past few years?
The real scandal is this. When all is said and done nobody will go to jail. We as a nation will find out that everything Enron and Kenny boy did was 100% purely legal. You know why? Becuase kenny may be greedy, slimy bastard but he is not stupid. He bought the laws he needed. Why do something illegal when you own congress and the presidency?
Why do you think GWB did nothing to ease the suffering of californians? 1) because they did not vote for him. 2) because enron made a killing and gave some of that money to GWB.
Enron had been profitting from their association with GWB and other influencial politicians for years. Only a man to profound ignorance would claim that enron's contributions went to waste or the GWB "did nothing for them". The fact is Dick Cheney and GWB made enron billions by relaxing environmental laws, pushing deregulation, not stepping in during the california energy crisis etc.
"I vote with my dollar. And my dollar won't be buying a use-once disc."
You seem to be under the mpression that this technology is aimed at consumers. It's not. It's aimed at publishers. You will not have a choice of paying one dollar for a one-use disc and 10 dollars for a unlimited use disc. You will only have the choice of paying 10 dollars for a one-use disc.
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Free as in beer, source available but I am not sure if the license is compatible with OSS, works with interbase, windows only, integrates with VC++, Delphi etc.
I think people have misunderstood Miguel. What he has done here is to use MS as an R&D dept. MS spent millions researching .NET and built a comprehensive set of tools. GNU (and the rest of us) can benefit from this research, they can take the best ideas from .NET and implement them in MONO. This is a GoodThing.
.NET and stick with the standards he wins because .NET will become fragmented.
.NET and C# are full of ideas borrowed from JAVA, DELPHI, DCOM etc. Why not pull an MS here and embrace your enemies. Take their ideas and run with them!
There could be a problem if MS shifts the spec or extends the spec. At that point if Miguel decides to chase MS he loses. If he decides to "fork"
I think Miguel knows what he is doing. I say give him a chance if history is any indicator he will kick ass.
In essence
I guess that's what passes for innovation at MS these days. Chasing the taillights of open source developers. Too bad red hat did not get a patent on embedding a web server in the kernel.
If they used any GPLed software for their enterprise edition they are obligated by license to release it under the GPL. The GPL is designed to prevent people from taking the code and using it in a proprietary product.
Man You are dumb.
Star office is not written in java. Java is easier to debug then C. So far you are betting 0%.
I think most people don't get what he is trying to do. Here is my take on the situation.
.NET or C# to lock out Miguel? If at that point Miguel tries to change his implementation to match the MS one he is doomed. If he declares that he will stick to the published standard and officially "forks" the .NET he wins and MS loses because .NET will suffer the same fate as commercial unixes.
Migues is using MS as an R&D dept. MS spends money on R&D and Miguel looks at what they have done and dupes it!. It's a great idea. Overall I agree with this stradegy but the real test will come later. What happens when MS ignores the ECMA standard and changes
Has anyone asked him that??
Alas I am afraid VA has lost credibility. Where is the oft promised sourceforge open edition (or whatever they were calling it)?. They have been acting shamefully about it. In a very real sense they took GPLed software and closed it off. For the life of me I don't know why they aren't being sued by the FSF.
"From my experience apps based on java like star office tend to be slow and bring a whole lot of there own problems with them."
Oh many I thought you were actually being serious for a minute there then I read the above sentence and could not stop laughing to read the rest of your post.
Very funny and a nice troll congratulations.
If everybody who used them actually paid the authors 5 or ten bucks they would not need to charge 40. They charge 40 because only a tiny percentage fo the people actually pay.
"Sorry, but this is simply incorrect. "
I am afraid it is you who is rather misinformed.
"Fish come from near the surface, all the way to the bottom of the sea. We only harvest from the upper "few hundred feet" of the sea."
All the life in the ocean depends on plankton which live in the first few feet. Considering the fact that plankton also produce a significant percentage of the oxygen in the atmosphere eliminating the life on the top three feet of ocean could kill everything not just the fish.
"Oil and coal come from thousands of feet below the surface and believe it or not, energy sources are very important to our survival."
the first few feet of soil contain just about all the bacteria, microbes, worms etc that enable plants to grow and flourish. Although to your typical economist (or republican) these things are worthless they enable us to live. Without them we won't need the oil, gas, coal or other things.
"even if the top 3 feet of the Earth were removed, along with the resident ecologies, this planet would still be far more habitable to humans than any other in the solar system."
That statement carries no meaning. It may be "more habitable" but I doubt it will be actually habitable. Without the first three feet you have no fish, and almost no vegetation. Maybe a few thousand humans could scrape a living but I doubt even that because we have no idea what kind of athmospheric and oceanographic effects the disappearance of sea life would have. It could very well ice over the planet or burn it. The carbon balance is a tricky thing.
sapdb?
Solaris is free. I quote from the sun web site.
"Now you can use the Solaris[tm] 8 Operating Environment at home or at work -- without paying a license fee. For only the cost of media ($75 U.S.) plus shipping, you can use the software on an unlimited number of computers with a capacity of eight or fewer CPUs."
"In terms of real forested area, over 65% of NY state is forested, more than there was 150 years ago."
Ah yes the fine art of lying, you practice it very well my friend. Yes what you say is the truth but it's not the whole truth or nothing but the thruth. as This report shows there is less forest in NY then there was in 1600 and 1700. Not only that but the rate of reforestation has leveled off and is possibly dropping again. Again that's just in the north.
As the report I mentioned also makes clear the forests elsewhere are being cut down to make up for the offset.
That's just America though. Of course we stripped the northwest first and then replanted some of it as we started logging the west.
Worldwide the picture is a whole lot different. Right now for example it's cheaper to buy logs from canada then to log them here. We will probably stabilize and the canadians will cut more. In other places they are going to run out trees withing a hundred years.
Everything that sustains human life on this planet is in those first three feet. Take away the top three feet of soil and we all die.