if a prosecutor doesn't prosecute the "murders for hire" then how in the fuck it's just for him to use those as reasons for giving a harsher sentence? he didn't charge him with those crimes.
The prosecutor will NOT ask for "harsher sentence" -on the base that the convict is/was suspect for some other crime ("murders for hire")-, but he will just INFORM the judge deciding the sentence (for the NON-"murders for hire" crime(s)) that the convict (for the NON-"murders for hire" crime(s))... IsNoGood! In other words, he will do the opposite of what the defence lawyer will do, who will claim something unrelated to the crimes of the convict (e.g., he feeds stray dogs!) so the judge must show some mercy. I use something some anonymous wrote as a reply to me (agreeing with me): "The use of evidence of uncharged crimes is legitimate, because he's not punished for those crimes only what he's been convicted of."
it's not usual in europe for prosecutor to say that the accused is guilty of crimes he is not being charged for, as if being guilty of those crimes was a proven fact. a separate probably going through case would be grounds for lesser sentence in the one case(since the total would grow up - also, in europe in general stacing of sentences doesn't work in the same way so there isn't , as much anyways, of cases where people have sentences of hundreds of years...)
The prosecutor (and the defence lawyer) will just inform the judge about the personality of the convict - something that i think IS usual in Greece/Europe/USA when the judge decides the sentence. For example: in the sentencing phase (after the convict has been found guilty) a prosecutor may inform the judge that the convict is suspect for other crimes - this is a "hint" for the judge that the convict is not a "saint who made a mistake", so he will not show mercy.
it's bullshit and good grounds for appeal... even more so because the feds were soliciting him those "murder for hire" offers.
I would like to congratulate Slashdot for letting it happen rather than trying to stifle it.
Slashdot (news for nerds, stuff that matters) DOES NOT "letting it happen" (yet?!), and *some* people *may* think that Slashdot IS "trying to stifle it" - with "IT" meaning to report the story!
People have to remember in every organisation there will always be psychopaths attempting to subvert it for their own personal benefit under a masquerade of the greater good.
I agree - so?
Back to topic, Go Pro [...]
I am glad that we can stay on-topic - not like this anonymous coward who wrote: "http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
SourceForge grabs GIMP for Windows’ account, wraps installer in bundle-pushing adware"
He will be sentenced for what has been tried and found guilty for, but in the same way his defence lawyer i suppose is trying ask for some mercy by presenting to the judge some evidence of the good personality of the convict, the prosecutor is doing the opposite, asking from the judge to have no (or little) mercy - i am not a lawyer, but i think this is the usual way (at least in Greece/Europe) when a convict is sentenced: the judge has the responsibility to decide for a sentence that is somewhere between the minimum and maximum the law states, based on convict's personality criteria
- too bad we don't have some racist and sexist Slashdoter to claim that, even five years after Hitler was in power, a Jewish women could study in a university, while today a White men is denied even to enter because some Black women replace him thanks to racism and sexism...
I...I think we just did have such a person.
Really? That's great! Who is he? Let's make Godwin proud...
even five years after Hitler was in power, a Jewish women could study in a university, while today a White men is denied even to enter because some Black women replace him thanks to racism and sexism...
The discrimination is bad enough for Whites, but Asians actually have it even worse.
Yes, i agree, (eastern) Asians have it worse in USA, but i am from Europe, where not so many (eastern) Asians exist, so... White Europeans have this "privilige"!
Godwin right there in the summary - how often do you see that
My God, this is a great story - too bad we don't have some racist and sexist Slashdoter to claim that, even five years after Hitler was in power, a Jewish women could study in a university, while today a White men is denied even to enter because some Black women replace him thanks to racism and sexism...
It seems to be a social justice tech pundit initiation ritual to attack Linus Torvalds' management style and the culture that surrounds the Linux kernel.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not supposed to be welcoming, it is supposed to be a filter, because the wanna-bees far outnumber the bees. Complaining about it is like complaining about the nature of special forces training. It is demanding, unsympathetic, and hostile to failure for a damned good reason - because the cost of failure is high, higher than every other open source project. The claim that that is what keeps women out is self-defeating, because you're not advocating for women, you're calling them weak and incompetent far more plainly the dog whistling of the Internet misogynist.
No one is obliged to change their culture to suit the delicate sensibilities of someone else. You want to fit in with a foreign culture, the onus is on you to change, not the other way around. If you want more women to participate in the Linux kernel, the onus is on you to change how the wider culture indoctrinates women, so that they can learn how to correctly perceive the nuance that exists in that style of hyperbolic insulting criticism, which most men understand even if they don't like it.
Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
As someone who some decades ago served for a couple of years as a conscript in the Greek S.F. i must fully agree with everything in your comment - and you don't even need to be a S.F. macho guy (who at the beginning of his training received mostly psychological pressure, as it is usual in S.F. selection phase) to understand what must be done in any environment (i would cry like a little girl in a serious 5-6 year olds' training ballet class!) that tries to seperates "wanna-bees" from "bees". And i must state that i especially like your last phrase: Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
I had to use your anwser (with all proper credits - i respect copyrights!) in my reply to the fellow Slashdoter who extrapolated from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus - you even used mountain Olympus, and i am a fucking Greek... i had to use it!
How ironic that you are complaining about people complaining about hurt feelings, when clearly your own feelings are pretty badly bruised just because this video was posted.
So why do you hate women so much? What is it about people saying "girly" things that offends you so much? You could listen and make a reasoned counter-argument for more segregation and less civility, but instead you posted a little rant about girly girls and the stupid girly things they say. Why do you feel that way?
I liked an answer you already got from someone other than me (all credit must go to user "SirLordGodfrey"): "You know, extrapolating from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus Mons is not good when anyone does it to make someone look like something they aren't even sure if.. that is what they even are. You sound like someone who tries too hard to look like you support justice and equality." - relax dude... i even watched the video before originally posting!
Yes, for early 2000 Mandrake (i never followed the later Mandriva route) it was a great distribution - the funny (or sad?!) thing is that i still have a cd with the distro from that time THAT I STILL USE!!! Seriously, is THE cd i use first when i sometimes try to bring back from the dead various ooold machines...
And I thank you for this. I really expected this from the first glance on the article's title and waited for a summary like yours to confirm my suspicion. So no need to waste my time:-)
Thanks for the summary. I watched only a bit of it, and what I did see was just the usual garbage. A bit of digging shows that this is a "job wanted ad". Click on her name and you see this on LinkdIn:
I'm a geek-suit interface, a programmer, and a teacher. I like to work on open source products, services, or sites that delight and help people. I'll be seeking opportunities starting in June 2015.
"geek-suit interface"? Sounds like a Mozilla Foundation escapee. $DIETY save us from polisci graduates.
Thanks for the good investigation work... i am just a professional transcriber! I really tried to take her seriously, but after 11 minutes of garbage (yes, i did watched it!) i wanted to save fellow Slashdoters some of their time...
Ha... it was "funny" just moments ago - BUT I WANTED "INFORMATIVE" (i really watched the video)!!!
Enjoy it as long it lasts... The SJW scum is slow lately, but they surely will come.
I already had some love from them:"Seriously, get help.", "You're sexist and a child. Die in a fire."! The irony is that they probably did not watched this "Building Hospitable Communities" video...
With all due respect (to your 4 digits!), do you really think that we ("programmers") need all that "how to be a human advise" (that Slashdot is full of)? I am asking specifically about that "how to be a human domain", not generally about non-coding domains related to us (like those you mentioned, and for which i agree we need external advise).
I don't have a problem with a European nation, and i would love (i.e., if others, e.g., northerners like Dutch people, want my Greek bad company...) to be part of it (here in Slashdot i often make fun of non-Greeks by calling them barbarians, but i am just joking... most of the times!)... what i have a serious problem with is, e.g., becoming a bitch of some Islamic state, because some fellow Europeans (e.g. Dutch!) are too "sensitive", so they don't like to hear me saying how much i hate Muslims - that my fellow European is something i can not tolerate, and as a Greek i have the responsibility to make YOU barbarians understand that "Europe" is the Greek name of a woman belonging to our guy, Zeus... i will not let filthy Muhammad fuck her.
We are in Slashdot, i am new here, but i already understand that (Greek-European) nationalists -like me- are not very welcomed (you are probably -because of your 5 digit account!- one of those who are not so glad to read my comments - no need to "apologize" if that is true, i understand and respect anyones right to not like me or people like me) - but you have to understand that when i have EU "directives" that make my comments illegal as "hate speech"... i am not so comfortable with our new European nation... yet!
Seriously, is something wrong with my transcript? I thought that i was providing a good service to fellow Slashdoters... and i think i did it as accurately as the best professional transcriber would have done it! Can you provide something better?
I'll wait for the condensed Reader's Digest version
"blah, blah, blah... i am a girl so i will talk about myself... blah, blah, blah... i am a girl that can say stupid girly stuff about "empowering diverse people"... blah, blah, blah... i am a girl and because i don't have a penis i hate boys... blah, blah, blah... i am a girl so don't you dare to hurt my feelings... blah, blah, blah"
Dude numbers please. You're giving me anecdotal evidence. I'm guessing you're one of those Athenian Golden Dawn members then. You should actually visit agriculture based cities. I live in Lamia. Most of my friends are in the agriculture business. You could have made that argument a few years ago (and still not be correct), but today illegal immigrants are basically out of a job here. That's because Greeks are taking their low income jobs, not because they are better, but because they are Greeks that are doing their job at the same price illegal immigrants used to do the job for.
I live in Athens but i was borned and raised in agriculture based city, which i often visit - while i accept that things changed, i can still claim that the vast majority of workers in big fields are illegal immigrants. Plus, here in Athens those illegal immigrants also have jobs in (low pay) second and third sectors of economy. I gave you numbers: at least 1 million illegal immigrants work, survive, and raise their families (so, i am not talking about those who are here just in-between their route to rest of Europe) in a Greece with 1.5 million unemployed Greeks.
It's the same in the US by the way. Illegal immigrants, usually from Latin america take over low income jobs in the US too. That's not because "Americans are lazy". You have to really understand why an illegal immigrant is selling his work that low. It has everything to do with him seeing his pay tripled compared to say Albania..See how frowned upon H1B visas are here on Slashdot.. That's not because "Americans are lazy", but it's because corporations use it as a way to drive down costs in the workforce, ignoring the standard of living in the US.
Your heart is in the right place, but the GD is using it against you. You should be proud of your nation. But right now, you're in danger of becoming your nation's disgrace. Just ask the Germans you eagerly agree with about their Nazi history. Germans (the people, not the leadership) are hard working and good people. I do not believe for an instance that their politics in the world wars had anything to do with their people being evil or the sort. It does have everything to do with economy and bad leadership though. Greece is living Germany's pre world war days. It's sad their media has such a twisted agenda.
I am glad that you are not the usual kind of anti-GD (plus, i understand that you are not "ashamed" for been a Greek, just because "you must be ashamed"...)! Anyway, i am not a kid, i have my religion protecting me from becoming an evil person hating foreigners, but... "illegal immigrants" are "illegal immigrants" - if not for any other reason, at least GD defends language and, by that, logic (see my sig).
I understand very well what you describe, and how family can hold these people in the same community, even if the best thing for them is to leave that community - life make us wiser by such experiances, so at least we can say we are wiser... (note: you have to be wise to become wiser (!) - many people with the same experiances are not wise enough...)
If you don't like these stores then don't comment, simple as that. Some of us like to discuss these issues. Actually a lot of us do, judging by the fact that they often have the most comments on a given day.
You have a point there, but you have to accept that much of this "discussion" is... "no more girl-coders fucking stories"!
Your example is great and relevant to a point the documentary i posted is making - if females are *really free* to make their own decisions, then they choose feminine jobs/toys.
Slashdot Mirror
if a prosecutor doesn't prosecute the "murders for hire" then how in the fuck it's just for him to use those as reasons for giving a harsher sentence? he didn't charge him with those crimes.
The prosecutor will NOT ask for "harsher sentence" -on the base that the convict is/was suspect for some other crime ("murders for hire")-, but he will just INFORM the judge deciding the sentence (for the NON-"murders for hire" crime(s)) that the convict (for the NON-"murders for hire" crime(s))... IsNoGood! In other words, he will do the opposite of what the defence lawyer will do, who will claim something unrelated to the crimes of the convict (e.g., he feeds stray dogs!) so the judge must show some mercy. I use something some anonymous wrote as a reply to me (agreeing with me): "The use of evidence of uncharged crimes is legitimate, because he's not punished for those crimes only what he's been convicted of."
it's not usual in europe for prosecutor to say that the accused is guilty of crimes he is not being charged for, as if being guilty of those crimes was a proven fact. a separate probably going through case would be grounds for lesser sentence in the one case(since the total would grow up - also, in europe in general stacing of sentences doesn't work in the same way so there isn't , as much anyways, of cases where people have sentences of hundreds of years...)
The prosecutor (and the defence lawyer) will just inform the judge about the personality of the convict - something that i think IS usual in Greece/Europe/USA when the judge decides the sentence. For example: in the sentencing phase (after the convict has been found guilty) a prosecutor may inform the judge that the convict is suspect for other crimes - this is a "hint" for the judge that the convict is not a "saint who made a mistake", so he will not show mercy.
it's bullshit and good grounds for appeal... even more so because the feds were soliciting him those "murder for hire" offers.
Well, I AM NOT A LAWYER, so...!
I would like to congratulate Slashdot for letting it happen rather than trying to stifle it.
Slashdot (news for nerds, stuff that matters) DOES NOT "letting it happen" (yet?!), and *some* people *may* think that Slashdot IS "trying to stifle it" - with "IT" meaning to report the story!
People have to remember in every organisation there will always be psychopaths attempting to subvert it for their own personal benefit under a masquerade of the greater good.
I agree - so?
Back to topic, Go Pro [...]
I am glad that we can stay on-topic - not like this anonymous coward who wrote:
"http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
SourceForge grabs GIMP for Windows’ account, wraps installer in bundle-pushing adware"
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
SourceForge grabs GIMP for Windows’ account, wraps installer in bundle-pushing adware
Sir, i would like to inform you that your comment is "off-topic" (but i would like to congratulate you... it is "first post"!).
He will be sentenced for what has been tried and found guilty for, but in the same way his defence lawyer i suppose is trying ask for some mercy by presenting to the judge some evidence of the good personality of the convict, the prosecutor is doing the opposite, asking from the judge to have no (or little) mercy - i am not a lawyer, but i think this is the usual way (at least in Greece/Europe) when a convict is sentenced: the judge has the responsibility to decide for a sentence that is somewhere between the minimum and maximum the law states, based on convict's personality criteria
Abject nonsense, you scared little man.
You have a problem with shy retarded midgets?
Olympus Mons, to be exact. A mountain on Mars, taller than Mt. Everest, I think.
More than 3 times the height of Everest - Zeus wants a good view when visiting Mars!
- too bad we don't have some racist and sexist Slashdoter to claim that, even five years after Hitler was in power, a Jewish women could study in a university, while today a White men is denied even to enter because some Black women replace him thanks to racism and sexism...
I...I think we just did have such a person.
Really? That's great! Who is he? Let's make Godwin proud...
even five years after Hitler was in power, a Jewish women could study in a university, while today a White men is denied even to enter because some Black women replace him thanks to racism and sexism...
The discrimination is bad enough for Whites, but Asians actually have it even worse.
Yes, i agree, (eastern) Asians have it worse in USA, but i am from Europe, where not so many (eastern) Asians exist, so... White Europeans have this "privilige"!
Godwin right there in the summary - how often do you see that
My God, this is a great story - too bad we don't have some racist and sexist Slashdoter to claim that, even five years after Hitler was in power, a Jewish women could study in a university, while today a White men is denied even to enter because some Black women replace him thanks to racism and sexism...
It seems to be a social justice tech pundit initiation ritual to attack Linus Torvalds' management style and the culture that surrounds the Linux kernel.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's not supposed to be welcoming, it is supposed to be a filter, because the wanna-bees far outnumber the bees. Complaining about it is like complaining about the nature of special forces training. It is demanding, unsympathetic, and hostile to failure for a damned good reason - because the cost of failure is high, higher than every other open source project. The claim that that is what keeps women out is self-defeating, because you're not advocating for women, you're calling them weak and incompetent far more plainly the dog whistling of the Internet misogynist.
No one is obliged to change their culture to suit the delicate sensibilities of someone else. You want to fit in with a foreign culture, the onus is on you to change, not the other way around. If you want more women to participate in the Linux kernel, the onus is on you to change how the wider culture indoctrinates women, so that they can learn how to correctly perceive the nuance that exists in that style of hyperbolic insulting criticism, which most men understand even if they don't like it.
Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
As someone who some decades ago served for a couple of years as a conscript in the Greek S.F. i must fully agree with everything in your comment - and you don't even need to be a S.F. macho guy (who at the beginning of his training received mostly psychological pressure, as it is usual in S.F. selection phase) to understand what must be done in any environment (i would cry like a little girl in a serious 5-6 year olds' training ballet class!) that tries to seperates "wanna-bees" from "bees". And i must state that i especially like your last phrase: Give it a chance and I think you'll find that it's a lot more fun and honest and helpful than the passive aggressive style of criticism that the social justice cult considers "constructive".
I had to use your anwser (with all proper credits - i respect copyrights!) in my reply to the fellow Slashdoter who extrapolated from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus - you even used mountain Olympus, and i am a fucking Greek... i had to use it!
How ironic that you are complaining about people complaining about hurt feelings, when clearly your own feelings are pretty badly bruised just because this video was posted.
So why do you hate women so much? What is it about people saying "girly" things that offends you so much? You could listen and make a reasoned counter-argument for more segregation and less civility, but instead you posted a little rant about girly girls and the stupid girly things they say. Why do you feel that way?
I liked an answer you already got from someone other than me (all credit must go to user "SirLordGodfrey"): "You know, extrapolating from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus Mons is not good when anyone does it to make someone look like something they aren't even sure if.. that is what they even are. You sound like someone who tries too hard to look like you support justice and equality." - relax dude... i even watched the video before originally posting!
Yes, for early 2000 Mandrake (i never followed the later Mandriva route) it was a great distribution - the funny (or sad?!) thing is that i still have a cd with the distro from that time THAT I STILL USE!!! Seriously, is THE cd i use first when i sometimes try to bring back from the dead various ooold machines...
To provide something "better" is to risk a brain aneurism :-)
Well, it's been a couple of hours now and he did not replied yet... i hope he is o.k.!
And I thank you for this. I really expected this from the first glance on the article's title and waited for a summary like yours to confirm my suspicion. So no need to waste my time :-)
And a fellow Slashdoter made some good "investigation" work
Thanks for the summary. I watched only a bit of it, and what I did see was just the usual garbage. A bit of digging shows that this is a "job wanted ad". Click on her name and you see this on LinkdIn:
I'm a geek-suit interface, a programmer, and a teacher. I like to work on open source products, services, or sites that delight and help people. I'll be seeking opportunities starting in June 2015.
"geek-suit interface"? Sounds like a Mozilla Foundation escapee. $DIETY save us from polisci graduates.
Thanks for the good investigation work... i am just a professional transcriber! I really tried to take her seriously, but after 11 minutes of garbage (yes, i did watched it!) i wanted to save fellow Slashdoters some of their time...
Hey, atm it is even 'insightful'.
Ha... it was "funny" just moments ago - BUT I WANTED "INFORMATIVE" (i really watched the video)!!!
Enjoy it as long it lasts... The SJW scum is slow lately, but they surely will come.
I already had some love from them:"Seriously, get help.", "You're sexist and a child. Die in a fire."! The irony is that they probably did not watched this "Building Hospitable Communities" video...
With all due respect (to your 4 digits!), do you really think that we ("programmers") need all that "how to be a human advise" (that Slashdot is full of)? I am asking specifically about that "how to be a human domain", not generally about non-coding domains related to us (like those you mentioned, and for which i agree we need external advise).
We are in Slashdot, i am new here, but i already understand that (Greek-European) nationalists -like me- are not very welcomed (you are probably -because of your 5 digit account!- one of those who are not so glad to read my comments - no need to "apologize" if that is true, i understand and respect anyones right to not like me or people like me) - but you have to understand that when i have EU "directives" that make my comments illegal as "hate speech"... i am not so comfortable with our new European nation... yet!
Seriously, get help.
Seriously, is something wrong with my transcript? I thought that i was providing a good service to fellow Slashdoters... and i think i did it as accurately as the best professional transcriber would have done it! Can you provide something better?
I'll wait for the condensed Reader's Digest version
"blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl so i will talk about myself ... blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl that can say stupid girly stuff about "empowering diverse people" ... blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl and because i don't have a penis i hate boys ... blah, blah, blah ... i am a girl so don't you dare to hurt my feelings ... blah, blah, blah"
Dude numbers please. You're giving me anecdotal evidence. I'm guessing you're one of those Athenian Golden Dawn members then. You should actually visit agriculture based cities. I live in Lamia. Most of my friends are in the agriculture business. You could have made that argument a few years ago (and still not be correct), but today illegal immigrants are basically out of a job here. That's because Greeks are taking their low income jobs, not because they are better, but because they are Greeks that are doing their job at the same price illegal immigrants used to do the job for.
I live in Athens but i was borned and raised in agriculture based city, which i often visit - while i accept that things changed, i can still claim that the vast majority of workers in big fields are illegal immigrants. Plus, here in Athens those illegal immigrants also have jobs in (low pay) second and third sectors of economy. I gave you numbers: at least 1 million illegal immigrants work, survive, and raise their families (so, i am not talking about those who are here just in-between their route to rest of Europe) in a Greece with 1.5 million unemployed Greeks.
It's the same in the US by the way. Illegal immigrants, usually from Latin america take over low income jobs in the US too. That's not because "Americans are lazy". You have to really understand why an illegal immigrant is selling his work that low. It has everything to do with him seeing his pay tripled compared to say Albania..See how frowned upon H1B visas are here on Slashdot.. That's not because "Americans are lazy", but it's because corporations use it as a way to drive down costs in the workforce, ignoring the standard of living in the US.
I agree. My latest (i have made others too) relevant comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Your heart is in the right place, but the GD is using it against you. You should be proud of your nation. But right now, you're in danger of becoming your nation's disgrace. Just ask the Germans you eagerly agree with about their Nazi history. Germans (the people, not the leadership) are hard working and good people. I do not believe for an instance that their politics in the world wars had anything to do with their people being evil or the sort. It does have everything to do with economy and bad leadership though. Greece is living Germany's pre world war days. It's sad their media has such a twisted agenda.
I am glad that you are not the usual kind of anti-GD (plus, i understand that you are not "ashamed" for been a Greek, just because "you must be ashamed"...)! Anyway, i am not a kid, i have my religion protecting me from becoming an evil person hating foreigners, but... "illegal immigrants" are "illegal immigrants" - if not for any other reason, at least GD defends language and, by that, logic (see my sig).
I understand very well what you describe, and how family can hold these people in the same community, even if the best thing for them is to leave that community - life make us wiser by such experiances, so at least we can say we are wiser... (note: you have to be wise to become wiser (!) - many people with the same experiances are not wise enough...)
If you don't like these stores then don't comment, simple as that. Some of us like to discuss these issues. Actually a lot of us do, judging by the fact that they often have the most comments on a given day.
You have a point there, but you have to accept that much of this "discussion" is... "no more girl-coders fucking stories"!
Your example is great and relevant to a point the documentary i posted is making - if females are *really free* to make their own decisions, then they choose feminine jobs/toys.