What about development though? You want to go through the PITA of setting up HTTPS for every development site?
If i understanding it right (and if you want to use -or need, as it's the reality of things- mozila to develop/test): in the beggining, only if you want to use newer features, gradually you will be forced for every feature.
The "non-secure" describes the "more-secure HTTPS" also, because the ""less-secure HTTP" did not become "secure" just because an "S" -and some other things...- was added.
Thank you! I'm relieved that you got it without me having to explain it.
Yes, i got it... it was good! But it was better to not continued from where you left it with my first version (the unpublished, self-censored), because it was going to be veeeryyy un-polite (!), in an "Aristophanic" way my fellow Slashdoter!
And it looks like some of hoi polloi(or should that be hoi barbaroi?) appreciated it too.
Hmmm... yes, i must have a little more confidence to my fellow Slashdoters, especially since it appears that some of them could be(come) fellow... Greeks!
Often (but not always) hoi polloi (even among only Greeks) end up to become barbaroi - i am glad that among (linguistic) barbarians exist people who can demonstrate their (-specific- linguistic... and -generic- cultural!) "Greekness", even to (biological) Greeks like me.
As a Greek Orthodox Christian i think some relevant parts of Paul's (the "Apostle of nations" as we call him in Greece) first Epistle to Corinthians about how important -for God's sake- is the knowledge of languages (even if often mis-translated from the original Greek, or, in my humble opinion, mis-understood, especially in some Protestantic -especially in USA- churches, because of a more literal interpretation), are very wise - please don't take it as a "catechism" (not that it would be bad if i did it that way), i just mention it because i am always impressed by barbarians who possess one of the most precious talents given by Zeus.
Well, without commenting about all those "infected pimple/gangrene", i agree to an extend: both the Eurozone and Greece had the time to prepare for the future (with each one helping the other by not doing something drastic) - so, when/if new things happen, i hope we will be here to discuss them (i strongly believe i will have the needed electricity to log in to Slashdot)
I logged in for the first time in weeks to post this:
Thank you. That was great. I don't have any mod points, but this was the most offtopic thread I've seen in a while. I'm still laughing a bit.
You are welcome my dear barbarus, and since in Greece we say "Greek is not a nationality, it is a profession"... i thank you for appreciating my professional skills!
What? But it's not yours, it's ours. O.K., keep it, it makes barbaric (excuse me, i meant English...) easier for us.
James Nicoll put it best:
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
Indeed, a great description of the "crime" from an native English speaker (and a writer/reviewer... i just researched about his work) - i will keep this quotation as a reference!
I thought I was making a joke in Greek, since polites is the antonym of barbaros. Did I do it wrong?
No, you did it (almost*) right - i had to go with my first version, since your "pseudonym" (!) was a hint for me that you may understand it... but i was afraid that too much of the (in)famous Greek pride from a new Slashdot member like me (and some lack of Greek language understanding and Greek humor appreciation from the "barbarus"/. crowd) will send my (/.) "karma" back to "terrible" (from which i just recovered!)...
* "politis (singular) - polites (plural)" (meaning: 1. (Greek) citizen) is not a direct antonym of "barbaros (singular) - barbari/oi/(us/ous) (plural)" (meaning: 1. -mainly- someone speaking non-Greek; 2. -as a consequence of 1- a non-citizen/Greek/politi; 3. -what is understood by most barbarous- an uncivilized person, i.e.,.... a non-Greek!)
O.K., keep it, it makes barbaric (excuse me, i meant English...) easier for us.
That's not polite.
We Greeks were minding our own business (you know, making up the greatest words in the world), when suddenly... English and its gang (Latin, German. Slavic, etc) comes and steals from us one more word - well, excuse me if i am not so polite, i will try harder!
When they kick you out, you can complain that they wrote the 'kick you out' rules after you joined.
I'm sure the Germans and Finns will be very sympathetic.
There are also no 'leave the euro' rules. As the law stands you are all stuck with it. But he who has the gold makes the rules. You're fucked.
Your government loans are at below market interest. Because the lenders know the rest of the euro zone is (sort of) guaranteeing your debt. Greece is not credit worthy on its own.
The only thing that has protected you so far is the others that will be knocked down when you default. But they are getting their shit together. Once Iceland, Italy and Spain can take the shock of Greece falling on it's face, Greece will allowed to fall.
Judging from all those "they will kick you out", i think that what you probably don't understand my dear friend is how true the saying "you owe someone a small amount, you have a problem - you owe him a big amount... he has the problem!". If we leave the Euro (even if they "kick us out", althrough i insist that we can leave only if we want, or stay if we want - we can default inside Euro, and since we don't have a deficit anymore we would be just fine), our economy would suffer for a small period (imports would be expensive), but sooner (or later) we would recover (Greece is not a third world country - we are among the richer nations, and we are actualy a poor state with rich citizens). But i repeat that i (and most Greeks) want to not default and stay in Eurozone.
but remember that we originaly got the loans paying huge interests, so the private entities giving us the loans had huge profits for DECADES (no one had any complaint!).
And, the "bail out" loans did not really go to running the Greek government or Greek people, it went to bailing out the banks that used to hold greek sovereign debt. Currently, Greek debt is essentially held by the IMF and ECB. Much like in every other country banks do not suffer the consequences of the bad loans they make, but instead privatize the profits and socialize the losses.
I am a very "right-wing" person and i strongly support "the banks", but, yes, what you just described is what happened ("privatize the profits and socialize the losses"). To be fair, some measures had to be taken -because a collapse of the banking sector could/would effected very negative the rest of the (real) economy-, but not this "IMF/ECB/etc buys the Greek debt from the banks and let the Word/European citizens think that we, the fucking Greeks, steal from them directly".
(sorry if i double post, a bug eat my first reply!)
The final trigger of the unrest was the funeral of a 25-year-old African-American man who had died in police custody, but observers point to many other root causes, from income inequality to racial discrimination.
I think some "triggers/root causes" are (deliberately) left out from this "/." summary...
I posted on one of the Usenet groups (probably sci.lang.functional or sci.lang.haskell) about his book The Haskell School of Expression. It's been awhile, but I vaguely remember posting about a mistake or typo, and he replied right there on Usenet acknowledging the error. He was generally very generous and helpful on the newsgroup.
A great "eulogy" (sorry for the Greek, i don't know the English word for when you say something nice about a deceased - the Greek is translated as "eu [nice] - logos [word]") - never really tried to understand Haskell, but that "eulogy" was a great expression of what is missing from many current projects/groups.
Where do you get this completely idea information from?
Nigeria isn't just about media-reported Boko Haram, you know.
Well, even from Nigerians themselves... as a Greek a have the privilege to be their first and often permanent host when uninvited introduce their presence to Europe! How many Nigerians (not just Africans, but Nigerians) do you have in your neighborhood?
Well, in Greece we have the (rougtly translated) saying "something is better than nothing"!
The American equivalent is "Half a loaf (of bread) is better than no loaf at all."
I like your American equivalent - it's more "paradigmatic"!
But, remembering the painful days of software Windows emulation on Macs, I don't think that either the Geek nor American phrase applies here!!!
Hmmm.... maybe the G[r]eek could apply?
LOL! Did I actually do that?!? SORRY!!!!! Yes, I meant "Greek"... (facepalm)
No problem dude, i found it funny because it happens to me in some other way: since we are in/. and this "geek" word is always used, and since i am a -classical- Greek (with an "r"!), i am constantly like "did the fucking barbarians just insulted my great culture? When we were building the Parthenon they were still hunging from trees"...
Paradigmatic: Hmmm. That's a new word... But I like it!;-)
It makes sense in Greek (and i bet it is used as a term in some scientific fields) - if you ever use it most people will think that you must be a very educated person (just make sure if anyone asks to tell them it's G[r]eek...).
It's _not_ going to be your choice to leave, of course you like it (thieves always do). When you are bouncing down the road, having been ejected from the euro, your government will no doubt bring back the Drachma.
We Greeks have not steal from anyone by entering the Euro - we asked to enter, and the other partners agreed (and we were from the first to enter, as we were from the first members of the European Union). For doing that we ceased the Drahma (believe it or not, our national currency was quite strong - sometimes we had to devaluate it on purpose to help our exports, something that we can not do now). You have to understand that there is no way we can be "ejected from the euro" if we don't push the ejection button ourselves - and that is actually what we Greeks discuss internaly: if by returning to Drahma (remember: it may be devaluated compared to Euro, but in this situation is what we may need as an economy) we would survive the first few months of "turbulence".
By the way, and because you thing we Greeks are "thieves": we pay back our loans with interest - the money we received so far was added to our debt, and was used to pay back our loans... creating this cycle because we don't want to officialy declare bankruptcy (something that will not have so many consequences for Greece as you may think). I am one of those that strongly supports our staying in the Eurorozone (and of cource not declaring bankruptcy, i.e., paying back the loans) - but remember that we originaly got the loans paying huge interests, so the private entities giving us the loans had huge profits for DECADES (no one had any complaint!).
If you want an example of the effects of a nation not being able to control monetary policy, look at Greece as a constituent of the EU; they can't control monetary policy through the usual means (ie, controlling access to new money) so they can't devalue the currency when necessary to keep the economy flowing.
I agree with you - most people don't appreciate enough their state's control over the value of their currency... until it is ceased! I think that one of the biggest problems with this new Bitcoin "thing" is that people fail to understand what you just described, and that monetary (as a specialization) policy effects the (and must -for things to "just work"- be effected from) general economy.
Other than proponents saying "because it's distributed, digital, and magic" I fail to see how failing to tell your government about one source of money is going to be any different that failing to disclose another.
Other than the pixie dust and unicorn poop, what exactly keeps the government from charging you with nor reporting the money?
Bitcoin doesn't exist outside of the real world just because people who use it claim that to be the case. But it definitely carries its own reality distortion field with it.
I am a Greek, living in Greece, which is currently (in)famous for its state's financial problem (in reality, Greece is a poor state with rich citizens). Few weeks ago there was a stupid story from non-Greek media about how Greece should adopt Bitcoin and be saved "magicaly"! The reason we Greeks are not in the same situation as Argentina is because we have this strong (and "real") currency called Euro (backed by Nothern European economies, e.g., Germany) - imagine if we "adopted" Bitcoin as our currency...
I don't blame any Argentinian for trying to protect his wealth by avoiding the goverment's checks (althrough that is one of the reasons they are in this situation...), but this Bitcoin's "reality distortion field" (as you correctly call it) it starts to make me really angry. If we Greeks ever wanted to leave the Euro currency (something that the vast majority -85% by just yesterdays polls- does not want), we would return to Drahma - a real currency (with a history of some mileniums!), backed by a (maybe bankrupt but with plenty of intangible and tangible property) Greek state... not this "magical" Bitcoin that its value depends on a fucking script!
Maybe it is just because in Nigeria they have continuous violence (mostly from Muslims against Christians - with a couple of hundred victims some days), so no need the "election day" for the violence to spread?
I understand that technology can help in many cases, but i think this is not one of them (at least not in that way).
I was one of the "tough guys" of my school (some decades ago... in Greece... without any "anti-bullying" bullshit lectures yet...), and you just made me cry... watching you break little Pluto's soul - respect!
About that "Yalova Peninsula massacres" (which are the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms)
Not that I expected anything else from you - you're literally not any different from the Turks who deny the Armenian genocide, after all - but I do have to note, for the benefit of any other readers, that those "usual Turkish ridiculous lies" were painstakingly documented and investigated by foreigners. The massacres were sufficiently large in scale that a commission was created by WW1 allies (UK, US, France) to investigate them. The commission concluded that:
"A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months... there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops."
So, now we have proof that we Greeks are genocidal monsters! Would you interested to know that my ancestry IS FROM THE "Yalova Peninsula"?
I AM NOT A TURK - I AM A GREEK! We Greeks don't genocide people - and that is one more reason why i am not a Turk.
You're Greek because your family was Greek and raised you as Greek, you idiot. There's no "reason" to it, and it's not a choice of your own. The only choice you have is what to do about it, if anything. In your case, for example, you deny crimes against humanity perpetrated by people of the same ethnicity as yours, while Turkish nationalists do the same for their own. And so you retards will keep trying to kill each other for many more years to come, for the fear that otherwise people like you on the other side will come and kill you if you don't kill them first. It's exactly what you did in 1920s, and it seems that you haven't learned anything ever since.
OF COURCE i am a Greek because my family was Greek and raised me as Greek, you idiot!
We don't kill Turks - Turks kill Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, e.t.c.! You believe that everyone is the same...
The irony is that more likely that not, you have a healthy dose of Turkish blood in you, especially if your relatives lived in the areas significantly affected by the pogroms, like Smyrna.
Actually it's the opposite - research about the forced Turkification. About the Turkish blood: Greek women, being Greek, usually commited suicide if they were raped (and usually before that happen: a VERY OLD -some centuries old!- song about that "rape" thing!). Should i understand from you mentioning the Turkish rapes of Greek women that Turks are horrible people (because that was NOT something rare - and you really can't find so many horrible Greeks doing that to require a song to be composed about that "rape issue"), or you aprove them? And because i think you don't really approve them, i advise you to stop and think if nationalities (as individual people) have differences - ah... and go fuck yourself since we established that you are NOT a Turk but just the usual libtard!
We Greeks know about extreme nationalism when Turks (and other barbarians - a Greek word!) were still hanging from trees, and thanks to our extreme nationalism we Greeks managed to civilize most barbarians - our extreme nationalism was NOT "xeno-phobic" (a Greek compound word, with the first part -"xeno"- meaning foreign, but also used for "hospitality" - Zeus is called "Xenios Zeus").
You're so proud of your claim (wrong, of course) to have invented hating other people. In this day and age, the civilized world calls people like you barbarians.
Where in the above part of my comment i claim "to have invented hating other people"? I claim that we invented extreme nationalism (and specificaly the "xenio" type - i.e., the -NON "xeno-phobic"- xenio extreme nationalism)
But even if i wrote that i/we hate Turks just because we hate them, why that would be "bad"? DO YOU KNOW WHAT TURKS DID TO MY FAMILY AND TO OTHER GREEKS? Do you demand to love them?
It's perfectly normal to hate the specific people who did it to your family. It's not normal to arbitrarily extend the target of your hate to an entire ethnicity or nationality.
It was NOT "specific people" - it was the VAST MAJORITY (so, excuse me boy for not mentioning just the "specific people" but instead making the logical generalization every logic person would do).
it's true that i would be happy with an apology from Turks to us Greeks - why you have a problem with apologies from people THAT DID HORRIBLE THINGS?
Because vast majority of the Turks who live today participated in the Armenian genocide or Greek pogroms?
An apology from Turkey as a state that considers itself the legal successor to the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey that carried out those atrocities - yes, that would be meaningful. But you cannot expect an individual Turk to apologize to you for something that some other Turks have carried out. There's no collective responsibility on account of one's ethnicity.
If you disagree, I would like to hear your apology as a Greek on the matter of, say, Yalova Peninsula massacres?
Yes, THE VAST MAJORITY OF TURKS participated in the Armenian genocide or Greek pogroms AND OTHER NEWER HORRIBLE THINGS,, and THE VAST MAJORITY OF TURKS LIVING TODAY deny those genocides and pogroms, despite the fucking undeniable evidence. But just because one Turk may was/is just, you expect every Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, Kurd, e.t.c., to... just forget how horrible the Turks was and are! About that "Yalova Peninsula massacres" (which are the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms): sorry - i know that my apology does not count because i just wrote that it is the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms, but what you expect when your excuse for justifying the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms is the the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms?
ecause, yes, Turks are "horrible people" AND I PERSONALY (as any capable Greek does) take measures defending ourselves from Turks
Would you say that if it were possible to pre-emptively exterminate those horrible Turks to ensure that they never bother any Greeks or Armenians ever again (since you seem to believe that they will keep trying), it would be good to carry it out?
I AM NOT A TURK - I AM A GREEK! We Greeks don't genocide people - and that is one more reason why i am not a Turk.
If you are a Turk i advise you to educate yourself about the Turkish horrible past and present - if you are NOT a Turk, i advise you to educate yourself about the horrible Turks AND GO FUCK YOURSELF (because i grow up with Turks and i honestly liked some of them - what i never liked are the usual libtard)
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first post??
Yes, first post, i confirm it - as i confirm that the "confirmed dead" (open/free/net/e.t.c.) BSD is alive enough.
What about development though? You want to go through the PITA of setting up HTTPS for every development site?
If i understanding it right (and if you want to use -or need, as it's the reality of things- mozila to develop/test): in the beggining, only if you want to use newer features, gradually you will be forced for every feature.
phase out non-secure HTTP to prefer HTTPS instead
The "non-secure" describes the "more-secure HTTPS" also, because the ""less-secure HTTP" did not become "secure" just because an "S" -and some other things...- was added.
Thank you! I'm relieved that you got it without me having to explain it.
Yes, i got it... it was good! But it was better to not continued from where you left it with my first version (the unpublished, self-censored), because it was going to be veeeryyy un-polite (!), in an "Aristophanic" way my fellow Slashdoter!
And it looks like some of hoi polloi(or should that be hoi barbaroi?) appreciated it too.
Hmmm... yes, i must have a little more confidence to my fellow Slashdoters, especially since it appears that some of them could be(come) fellow... Greeks!
Often (but not always) hoi polloi (even among only Greeks) end up to become barbaroi - i am glad that among (linguistic) barbarians exist people who can demonstrate their (-specific- linguistic... and -generic- cultural!) "Greekness", even to (biological) Greeks like me.
As a Greek Orthodox Christian i think some relevant parts of Paul's (the "Apostle of nations" as we call him in Greece) first Epistle to Corinthians about how important -for God's sake- is the knowledge of languages (even if often mis-translated from the original Greek, or, in my humble opinion, mis-understood, especially in some Protestantic -especially in USA- churches, because of a more literal interpretation), are very wise - please don't take it as a "catechism" (not that it would be bad if i did it that way), i just mention it because i am always impressed by barbarians who possess one of the most precious talents given by Zeus.
Well, without commenting about all those "infected pimple/gangrene", i agree to an extend: both the Eurozone and Greece had the time to prepare for the future (with each one helping the other by not doing something drastic) - so, when/if new things happen, i hope we will be here to discuss them (i strongly believe i will have the needed electricity to log in to Slashdot)
I logged in for the first time in weeks to post this: Thank you. That was great. I don't have any mod points, but this was the most offtopic thread I've seen in a while. I'm still laughing a bit.
You are welcome my dear barbarus, and since in Greece we say "Greek is not a nationality, it is a profession"... i thank you for appreciating my professional skills!
English will rip it out of your hands.
What? But it's not yours, it's ours. O.K., keep it, it makes barbaric (excuse me, i meant English...) easier for us.
James Nicoll put it best:
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
Indeed, a great description of the "crime" from an native English speaker (and a writer/reviewer... i just researched about his work) - i will keep this quotation as a reference!
I thought I was making a joke in Greek, since polites is the antonym of barbaros. Did I do it wrong?
No, you did it (almost*) right - i had to go with my first version, since your "pseudonym" (!) was a hint for me that you may understand it... but i was afraid that too much of the (in)famous Greek pride from a new Slashdot member like me (and some lack of Greek language understanding and Greek humor appreciation from the "barbarus" /. crowd) will send my (/.) "karma" back to "terrible" (from which i just recovered!)...
* "politis (singular) - polites (plural)" (meaning: 1. (Greek) citizen) is not a direct antonym of "barbaros (singular) - barbari/oi/(us/ous) (plural)" (meaning: 1. -mainly- someone speaking non-Greek; 2. -as a consequence of 1- a non-citizen/Greek/politi; 3. -what is understood by most barbarous- an uncivilized person, i.e.,.... a non-Greek!)
That's not polite.
We Greeks were minding our own business (you know, making up the greatest words in the world), when suddenly... English and its gang (Latin, German. Slavic, etc) comes and steals from us one more word - well, excuse me if i am not so polite, i will try harder!
When they kick you out, you can complain that they wrote the 'kick you out' rules after you joined.
I'm sure the Germans and Finns will be very sympathetic.
There are also no 'leave the euro' rules. As the law stands you are all stuck with it. But he who has the gold makes the rules. You're fucked.
Your government loans are at below market interest. Because the lenders know the rest of the euro zone is (sort of) guaranteeing your debt. Greece is not credit worthy on its own.
The only thing that has protected you so far is the others that will be knocked down when you default. But they are getting their shit together. Once Iceland, Italy and Spain can take the shock of Greece falling on it's face, Greece will allowed to fall.
Judging from all those "they will kick you out", i think that what you probably don't understand my dear friend is how true the saying "you owe someone a small amount, you have a problem - you owe him a big amount... he has the problem!". If we leave the Euro (even if they "kick us out", althrough i insist that we can leave only if we want, or stay if we want - we can default inside Euro, and since we don't have a deficit anymore we would be just fine), our economy would suffer for a small period (imports would be expensive), but sooner (or later) we would recover (Greece is not a third world country - we are among the richer nations, and we are actualy a poor state with rich citizens). But i repeat that i (and most Greeks) want to not default and stay in Eurozone.
but remember that we originaly got the loans paying huge interests, so the private entities giving us the loans had huge profits for DECADES (no one had any complaint!).
And, the "bail out" loans did not really go to running the Greek government or Greek people, it went to bailing out the banks that used to hold greek sovereign debt. Currently, Greek debt is essentially held by the IMF and ECB. Much like in every other country banks do not suffer the consequences of the bad loans they make, but instead privatize the profits and socialize the losses.
I am a very "right-wing" person and i strongly support "the banks", but, yes, what you just described is what happened ("privatize the profits and socialize the losses"). To be fair, some measures had to be taken -because a collapse of the banking sector could/would effected very negative the rest of the (real) economy-, but not this "IMF/ECB/etc buys the Greek debt from the banks and let the Word/European citizens think that we, the fucking Greeks, steal from them directly".
(sorry if i double post, a bug eat my first reply!)
The English word for eulogy is eulogy.
BUT IT"S GREEK: "eu [nice] - logos [word]".
You have a nice word?
Well, being Greeks, yea, we may have some!
English will rip it out of your hands.
What? But it's not yours, it's ours. O.K., keep it, it makes barbaric (excuse me, i meant English...) easier for us.
The final trigger of the unrest was the funeral of a 25-year-old African-American man who had died in police custody, but observers point to many other root causes, from income inequality to racial discrimination.
I think some "triggers/root causes" are (deliberately) left out from this "/." summary...
I posted on one of the Usenet groups (probably sci.lang.functional or sci.lang.haskell) about his book The Haskell School of Expression. It's been awhile, but I vaguely remember posting about a mistake or typo, and he replied right there on Usenet acknowledging the error. He was generally very generous and helpful on the newsgroup.
A great "eulogy" (sorry for the Greek, i don't know the English word for when you say something nice about a deceased - the Greek is translated as "eu [nice] - logos [word]") - never really tried to understand Haskell, but that "eulogy" was a great expression of what is missing from many current projects/groups.
Where do you get this completely idea information from?
Nigeria isn't just about media-reported Boko Haram, you know.
Well, even from Nigerians themselves... as a Greek a have the privilege to be their first and often permanent host when uninvited introduce their presence to Europe! How many Nigerians (not just Africans, but Nigerians) do you have in your neighborhood?
Well, in Greece we have the (rougtly translated) saying "something is better than nothing"!
The American equivalent is "Half a loaf (of bread) is better than no loaf at all."
I like your American equivalent - it's more "paradigmatic"!
But, remembering the painful days of software Windows emulation on Macs, I don't think that either the Geek nor American phrase applies here!!!
Hmmm.... maybe the G[r]eek could apply?
LOL! Did I actually do that?!? SORRY!!!!! Yes, I meant "Greek"... (facepalm)
No problem dude, i found it funny because it happens to me in some other way: since we are in /. and this "geek" word is always used, and since i am a -classical- Greek (with an "r"!), i am constantly like "did the fucking barbarians just insulted my great culture? When we were building the Parthenon they were still hunging from trees"...
Paradigmatic: Hmmm. That's a new word... But I like it! ;-)
It makes sense in Greek (and i bet it is used as a term in some scientific fields) - if you ever use it most people will think that you must be a very educated person (just make sure if anyone asks to tell them it's G[r]eek...).
It's _not_ going to be your choice to leave, of course you like it (thieves always do). When you are bouncing down the road, having been ejected from the euro, your government will no doubt bring back the Drachma.
We Greeks have not steal from anyone by entering the Euro - we asked to enter, and the other partners agreed (and we were from the first to enter, as we were from the first members of the European Union). For doing that we ceased the Drahma (believe it or not, our national currency was quite strong - sometimes we had to devaluate it on purpose to help our exports, something that we can not do now). You have to understand that there is no way we can be "ejected from the euro" if we don't push the ejection button ourselves - and that is actually what we Greeks discuss internaly: if by returning to Drahma (remember: it may be devaluated compared to Euro, but in this situation is what we may need as an economy) we would survive the first few months of "turbulence".
By the way, and because you thing we Greeks are "thieves": we pay back our loans with interest - the money we received so far was added to our debt, and was used to pay back our loans... creating this cycle because we don't want to officialy declare bankruptcy (something that will not have so many consequences for Greece as you may think). I am one of those that strongly supports our staying in the Eurorozone (and of cource not declaring bankruptcy, i.e., paying back the loans) - but remember that we originaly got the loans paying huge interests, so the private entities giving us the loans had huge profits for DECADES (no one had any complaint!).
If you want an example of the effects of a nation not being able to control monetary policy, look at Greece as a constituent of the EU; they can't control monetary policy through the usual means (ie, controlling access to new money) so they can't devalue the currency when necessary to keep the economy flowing.
I agree with you - most people don't appreciate enough their state's control over the value of their currency... until it is ceased! I think that one of the biggest problems with this new Bitcoin "thing" is that people fail to understand what you just described, and that monetary (as a specialization) policy effects the (and must -for things to "just work"- be effected from) general economy.
Other than proponents saying "because it's distributed, digital, and magic" I fail to see how failing to tell your government about one source of money is going to be any different that failing to disclose another.
Other than the pixie dust and unicorn poop, what exactly keeps the government from charging you with nor reporting the money?
Bitcoin doesn't exist outside of the real world just because people who use it claim that to be the case. But it definitely carries its own reality distortion field with it.
I am a Greek, living in Greece, which is currently (in)famous for its state's financial problem (in reality, Greece is a poor state with rich citizens). Few weeks ago there was a stupid story from non-Greek media about how Greece should adopt Bitcoin and be saved "magicaly"! The reason we Greeks are not in the same situation as Argentina is because we have this strong (and "real") currency called Euro (backed by Nothern European economies, e.g., Germany) - imagine if we "adopted" Bitcoin as our currency...
I don't blame any Argentinian for trying to protect his wealth by avoiding the goverment's checks (althrough that is one of the reasons they are in this situation...), but this Bitcoin's "reality distortion field" (as you correctly call it) it starts to make me really angry. If we Greeks ever wanted to leave the Euro currency (something that the vast majority -85% by just yesterdays polls- does not want), we would return to Drahma - a real currency (with a history of some mileniums!), backed by a (maybe bankrupt but with plenty of intangible and tangible property) Greek state... not this "magical" Bitcoin that its value depends on a fucking script!
I understand that technology can help in many cases, but i think this is not one of them (at least not in that way).
I was one of the "tough guys" of my school (some decades ago... in Greece... without any "anti-bullying" bullshit lectures yet...), and you just made me cry... watching you break little Pluto's soul - respect!
Well, in Greece we have the (rougtly translated) saying "something is better than nothing"!
The American equivalent is "Half a loaf (of bread) is better than no loaf at all."
I like your American equivalent - it's more "paradigmatic"!
But, remembering the painful days of software Windows emulation on Macs, I don't think that either the Geek nor American phrase applies here!!!
Hmmm.... maybe the G[r]eek could apply?
About that "Yalova Peninsula massacres" (which are the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms)
Not that I expected anything else from you - you're literally not any different from the Turks who deny the Armenian genocide, after all - but I do have to note, for the benefit of any other readers, that those "usual Turkish ridiculous lies" were painstakingly documented and investigated by foreigners. The massacres were sufficiently large in scale that a commission was created by WW1 allies (UK, US, France) to investigate them. The commission concluded that:
"A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months... there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops."
So, now we have proof that we Greeks are genocidal monsters! Would you interested to know that my ancestry IS FROM THE "Yalova Peninsula"?
I AM NOT A TURK - I AM A GREEK! We Greeks don't genocide people - and that is one more reason why i am not a Turk.
You're Greek because your family was Greek and raised you as Greek, you idiot. There's no "reason" to it, and it's not a choice of your own. The only choice you have is what to do about it, if anything. In your case, for example, you deny crimes against humanity perpetrated by people of the same ethnicity as yours, while Turkish nationalists do the same for their own. And so you retards will keep trying to kill each other for many more years to come, for the fear that otherwise people like you on the other side will come and kill you if you don't kill them first. It's exactly what you did in 1920s, and it seems that you haven't learned anything ever since.
OF COURCE i am a Greek because my family was Greek and raised me as Greek, you idiot! We don't kill Turks - Turks kill Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, e.t.c.! You believe that everyone is the same...
The irony is that more likely that not, you have a healthy dose of Turkish blood in you, especially if your relatives lived in the areas significantly affected by the pogroms, like Smyrna.
Actually it's the opposite - research about the forced Turkification. About the Turkish blood: Greek women, being Greek, usually commited suicide if they were raped (and usually before that happen: a VERY OLD -some centuries old!- song about that "rape" thing!). Should i understand from you mentioning the Turkish rapes of Greek women that Turks are horrible people (because that was NOT something rare - and you really can't find so many horrible Greeks doing that to require a song to be composed about that "rape issue"), or you aprove them? And because i think you don't really approve them, i advise you to stop and think if nationalities (as individual people) have differences - ah... and go fuck yourself since we established that you are NOT a Turk but just the usual libtard!
the dwarf planet
You have some problem with little planets? What's next: midget planet?
We Greeks know about extreme nationalism when Turks (and other barbarians - a Greek word!) were still hanging from trees, and thanks to our extreme nationalism we Greeks managed to civilize most barbarians - our extreme nationalism was NOT "xeno-phobic" (a Greek compound word, with the first part -"xeno"- meaning foreign, but also used for "hospitality" - Zeus is called "Xenios Zeus").
You're so proud of your claim (wrong, of course) to have invented hating other people. In this day and age, the civilized world calls people like you barbarians.
Where in the above part of my comment i claim "to have invented hating other people"? I claim that we invented extreme nationalism (and specificaly the "xenio" type - i.e., the -NON "xeno-phobic"- xenio extreme nationalism)
But even if i wrote that i/we hate Turks just because we hate them, why that would be "bad"? DO YOU KNOW WHAT TURKS DID TO MY FAMILY AND TO OTHER GREEKS? Do you demand to love them?
It's perfectly normal to hate the specific people who did it to your family. It's not normal to arbitrarily extend the target of your hate to an entire ethnicity or nationality.
It was NOT "specific people" - it was the VAST MAJORITY (so, excuse me boy for not mentioning just the "specific people" but instead making the logical generalization every logic person would do).
it's true that i would be happy with an apology from Turks to us Greeks - why you have a problem with apologies from people THAT DID HORRIBLE THINGS?
Because vast majority of the Turks who live today participated in the Armenian genocide or Greek pogroms?
An apology from Turkey as a state that considers itself the legal successor to the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey that carried out those atrocities - yes, that would be meaningful. But you cannot expect an individual Turk to apologize to you for something that some other Turks have carried out. There's no collective responsibility on account of one's ethnicity.
If you disagree, I would like to hear your apology as a Greek on the matter of, say, Yalova Peninsula massacres?
Yes, THE VAST MAJORITY OF TURKS participated in the Armenian genocide or Greek pogroms AND OTHER NEWER HORRIBLE THINGS,, and THE VAST MAJORITY OF TURKS LIVING TODAY deny those genocides and pogroms, despite the fucking undeniable evidence. But just because one Turk may was/is just, you expect every Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, Kurd, e.t.c., to... just forget how horrible the Turks was and are! About that "Yalova Peninsula massacres" (which are the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms): sorry - i know that my apology does not count because i just wrote that it is the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms, but what you expect when your excuse for justifying the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms is the the usual Turkish rediculus lies created just to justify the Armenian/Greek genocides/pogroms?
ecause, yes, Turks are "horrible people" AND I PERSONALY (as any capable Greek does) take measures defending ourselves from Turks
Would you say that if it were possible to pre-emptively exterminate those horrible Turks to ensure that they never bother any Greeks or Armenians ever again (since you seem to believe that they will keep trying), it would be good to carry it out?
I AM NOT A TURK - I AM A GREEK! We Greeks don't genocide people - and that is one more reason why i am not a Turk.
If you are a Turk i advise you to educate yourself about the Turkish horrible past and present - if you are NOT a Turk, i advise you to educate yourself about the horrible Turks AND GO FUCK YOURSELF (because i grow up with Turks and i honestly liked some of them - what i never liked are the usual libtard)
Excuse my tone, but...