I think his rhetoric question was just to show that the picture has a sexual notion. I am not so "sensitive" (and veeeryyy against modern "feminism"/"SJW's"/etc!), and i agree with you that "you can make a problem of anything", but using a picture with a sexual notion (even if not explicit) in a CS class (instead of a neutral) is inappropriate i think - many (if not most) young girls will not be so comfortable in such a situation while in class with some teenage boys.
Why wouldn't they be? Their (young girls) magazines are filled with scantily clad women in suggestive poses. So are magazines for young men. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that both young men and young women think women are more beautiful than men. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Young girls (and older women) are constantly "attacked" (as a "never ending beauty contest") by what you describe in any environment (more if a mixed one with males) - in a class it is better to provide a less sexual environment (as possible, since full asexuality is unrealistic) in which females (and males) can concentrate in their studies.
The lena picture is a standard way of measuring image compression quality.
Thus when you write an algorithm and use the standard way of measuring quality, then you can compare your algorithm with other algorithms by just looking at white papers. Thus you will not have to recreate other's compression algorithms for a comparison.
That is a good explanation for the so common use of it, one that i was suspecting - but maybe it's time to find some more neutral one as a standard, especially since it's been used in classes with teenage girls.
I think his rhetoric question was just to show that the picture has a sexual notion. I am not so "sensitive" (and veeeryyy against modern "feminism"/"SJW's"/etc!), and i agree with you that "you can make a problem of anything", but using a picture with a sexual notion (even if not explicit) in a CS class (instead of a neutral) is inappropriate i think - many (if not most) young girls will not be so comfortable in such a situation while in class with some teenage boys.
Any young man who grew up in the age of PornHub will call this pretty tame. But teenage girls are not the biggest fans of pornography sites, so they may not be as desensitized. Many schools ban bare-shoulder outfits, anyway.
Unfortunatly your comment where you asked the -rhetoric- question "The woman is giving a sexually suggestive glance, with bare shoulders, as expected of any centerfold cover model. Imagine your mother looking directly at you in the same way. Would you be uncomfortable?" is (currently) modded down as "flaimbait" - who ever did it, maybe did not noticed that you also write that you are a teacher (so probably you understand more about the teenager phychology than many of us).
The Lena Rossi image is famous, but tossing it into a CS class with a bunch of eighteen-year-old men is just asking for a hostile work environment for any women in the class.
I must ("must", because i really hate modern "feminism"...) agree with you, since i remember how i could turn the most innocent picture/writting in to a sexual point, just to draw the attention of the females (as Freud would expected) when i was in school.
A picture (even just a face) of a Playboy model may have a place in CS History class (or even in an Art class), but in strict CS class you must use something neutral that it would not be connected to a pornographic magazine in any way and/or would not force any -sexy, or not so sexy- female compare herself with one more (semi-)virtual competetor...
You are putting a very recent label (which was actually a joke that was been taken far too seriously) and applied it to something similar but not quite the same. The extreme strawman joke is not the same as reality.
As i wrote: it may be "a very recent label" for you, but not for me (and those who use it as a self-description) - and "actually a joke" for you, but not for me (and those who taking this role seriously).
If you want to help me, i have a question for you: can you provide me with a good term that describe all those "political correct" left-wing people that want to exterminate racism/sexism/etc and/or even racist/sexists/etc like me? I would prefer a term that can be used negatively by me (i.e., as an insult, e.g., "libtards", not something like "a good person that wants social justice").
Sorry, we've had graphics like this well before now in the Demoscene. At least since the 8*** series of nVidia GPUs - NINE GENERATIONS AGO.
O.K., i guess i deserved to get modded down!
I am just an easily impressed old guy who does not play games anymore, so when i watched the demo i was very impressed by what exists today and i immediately got in to the usual "who would ever need more than that" old guy's mode...
A commercial plane will most probably undergo through several maintenance events and checks during that sort of time frame, where cycling the power is part of the procedure.
Yes, but when you have people taking pride for their desktop's uptime... well, better safe than sorry!
Yes, you are probably right (if other slashdoter's don't try to ridicule me by modding you up!), but you don't impress me - i am a Greek, and my ancestors believed that it is easy to predict the future if you know the past (as Apollo, the Greek God of prophecies advised).
With respect, it falls into exactly the same category as the weirdo here (forgot his name) who uses the recent financial problems as an excuse to frequently assert that all Greeks are lazy - which is a pretty strange thing for anyone, especially an American to say.
The problem my dear friend is that stereotypes/generalizations (both Greek words by the way!) may be correct. For example, we Greeks are wrongly strereotyped as "lazy", but we should be rightly stereotyped as (at least) "unproductive" (source). Similarly, when people accuse us Greeks for tax evasion, while i pay my taxes "religiously", i can't argue with them because most Greeks do it.
Similarly the "social justice warrior" absurdity fits the personality of almost nobody that actually gives a shit about social justice. It's a very strange strawman. The only people I've seen that came close were kids in University politics when I had the misfortune to be exposed to such stuff some decades ago.
Yes, "kids in university politics" are traditionally the most common "SJW's", but (at least in Greece/Europe) plenty of other kind of "SJW" groups exist also - i don't know if you know about the European left-wing (or, at least, a major part of it), but in my country many people describe themselves as SJW's with pride.
Meanwhile people who just want to see rapists behind bars get the SJW insult directed at them.
Hmmm... in Europe/Greece, our SJW's are clearly the people who want the opposite!
I think that i understand the "spirit" of your comment and i may agree with it in some degree. But as a Greek (and European), when i use the term "SJW" (a term used as a self-description -translated word by word in Greek!- by those communists that persecuted my family in our civil war, and still existing as a party in our parliament), i do it in a specific meaning. I am a liberal (...and a nationalist!) - "lost in translation" terminologies, different degrees of extremism (from both wings), other cultural/social differences, create a gap in understanding between European-Americans/Greeks-British/etc. I would try to keep those term to a minimum use, because you are right, they create a problem. It is just convenient to have a term that describes a groups - i hope someone will find some that does not give a negative meaning to "social justice" (but please remember: at least in the case i described, SJW's themselves use it!).
Because this sort of thing doesn't impress me anymore.
Yes, you must be old, like i am (i was impressed with Amiga - and i already had an, quite impressive, Amstrad CPC 6128).
It looks pretty much the same as every other demo I've seen for the last several years. Sure, it IS more detailed but those details do pretty much nothing to enhance realism and in fact as the demo shows, the artists go out of their way to show off these features (like 3d movies) and ruin it in the process.
I don't need to be blinded by your overpowering puddle of water, thats not impressive, I don't even need thousands of dollars of GPUs to do that.
Instead of showing me tears that look fake as shit and being proud of it, or a dirty face, why don't you work on things that make the whole scene clearly a rendering instead of reality.
Worse still, you can STILL see that the shadows are not actually calculated real time and not only lag but are jerky in their transitions.
So 10 our of 10 for heating up your GPUs and frying eggs, but 0 for actually impressing me with an advancement in rendering that I can about.
I haven't played games from the time my Amstrad stoped working, but i think you need glasses for your presbyopia old man - i would agreed with you if you just wrote what most of us old men, as wiser now, think ("extremely realistic graphics may ruin game's fun"), but to believe that they just "frying eggs in their GPU's" is just a sign of alzheimer old man.
You are describing a strawman that started as a deliberate joke and became a net meme as a deliberate "out there" insult. I can't tell if you are being serious or joking from the above post, which should tell you something about how utterly ridiculous it all is if you are not joking.
I am not joking. And since i am a Greek/European i must inform you that "SJW's" (even as a term!) existed long before any "net" did (our first Greek SJW's -using that term as a self-description!- appeared a century ago).
Do you have references to the "we are Social Justice Warriors" paper or the journal it was published in?
O.K., i admit i was a bit "offtopic" - but i thought YOUR "lecture" (with which i agree in some degree) i was replied to (the first paragraph at least) was also a bit "offtopic", so...
Trying to prevent sexism or racism or other isms did not used to be considered an evil thing to do, at least not until the last couple of years.
But I AM a sexist AND racist... the evil thing those "SJW's" do is that prevent me express/discuss my opinions. I don't mind been called a "sexist/racist", even as an insult - my problem is that i have the "law" (i am Greek/European) gag me. In that way i may become more sexist/racist, in ways i currently think are stupid. And you have to understand that when it is dangerous and/or illegal for people , e.g., academics (note: i am not one), to express/discuss in a positive (or even just in a argumental) way their sexist/rasist views because of those SJW's, then asking me about "references to the SJW's paper/journal" may seem to someone like me a little hypocritical.
I understand that maybe you are from the USA and that we may be "lost in the translation" (e.g., i don't know exactly what the term "SJW's" means to a non-European), but i am sure that you understand the problematic situation when SJW's can prevent sexism/racism while i can NOT prevent their "social justice".
When you have a group of people that declare "we are the Social Justice Warriors, we come in peace to fuck all of you sexists/racists/bigots/etc... IN THE NAME OF SOCIAL JUSTICE", well, don't be upset if people (like the one you replied to) use terms like "SJW's" or use the phrase "social justice" in a negative way - i agree with you that "social justice" is NOT something bad, but as a term becomes negative because of what i described. I AM a sexist/racist/bigot/etc that wants "social justice", just not the libtarded one those "SJW's" force to the rest of us. When the libtards (excuse the term, i don't use it as an insult in this case, but just for understanding's sake) act -with extreme ways/passion- "IN THE NAME OF SOCIAL JUSTICE", we, the rest of the world (including me, the sexist/racist/bigot/etc), we would start define "social justice" as... libtarded!
My first and main reaction to this story is hilarity. The PC world appears to be well on the way to self-cannibalism...
For a sexist/racist/bigoted/IslamoHomo-"phobic"/etc person like me (and European... where we have the "know how" to gag people with "disturbing" political/social beliefs), the "self-cannibalism" of the "PC" herd is the only hope i have for saving Western Civilization.
"Surprisingly cozy relationship" my ass. This is what real work is like, you advise people who do things. The fact that you don't like them after the fact is an irrelevancy.
You wave your bias way too openly to be taken seriously. Then again, this is pretty much the wingnut witch hunt site nowadays. Sanity is not easily to be found.
When i was serving in the Greek special forces (as a conscript*) we had this "what to do and what you will suffer if you are taken prisoners by the enemy" training, which in reality, if the roles were changed, could be used as a "what to do to the enemy if you take them prisoners and want them to give info" - i am sure (and know for a fact actualy) that among the psychologists helping directly/indirectly with this training existed many who opposed any (physical/psychological) turture.
I understand already that Slashdot is a place where you always have to defend your sanity from the libtarded summaries...
* officers, not only from S.F., had a much harder training.
Yes, if two (or three, as a fellow Slashdoter notes) "data points" exist then it is a tendency ("trend" - especialy if it is among "billionaires", as the summary states).
What was reserved only for governments it is now available to the wealthiest citizens, and what is now a trend among rich people will be common for all people - a "folks-rocket", as Hitler would like it named...
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I think his rhetoric question was just to show that the picture has a sexual notion. I am not so "sensitive" (and veeeryyy against modern "feminism"/"SJW's"/etc!), and i agree with you that "you can make a problem of anything", but using a picture with a sexual notion (even if not explicit) in a CS class (instead of a neutral) is inappropriate i think - many (if not most) young girls will not be so comfortable in such a situation while in class with some teenage boys.
Why wouldn't they be? Their (young girls) magazines are filled with scantily clad women in suggestive poses. So are magazines for young men. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that both young men and young women think women are more beautiful than men. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Young girls (and older women) are constantly "attacked" (as a "never ending beauty contest") by what you describe in any environment (more if a mixed one with males) - in a class it is better to provide a less sexual environment (as possible, since full asexuality is unrealistic) in which females (and males) can concentrate in their studies.
All of that "security" stuff is being used against us, I thought that was common knowledge now.
Stop your criminal behaviour NOW... make no mistake: the people will NOT allow animals like you to destroy them.
The lena picture is a standard way of measuring image compression quality. Thus when you write an algorithm and use the standard way of measuring quality, then you can compare your algorithm with other algorithms by just looking at white papers. Thus you will not have to recreate other's compression algorithms for a comparison.
That is a good explanation for the so common use of it, one that i was suspecting - but maybe it's time to find some more neutral one as a standard, especially since it's been used in classes with teenage girls.
I think his rhetoric question was just to show that the picture has a sexual notion. I am not so "sensitive" (and veeeryyy against modern "feminism"/"SJW's"/etc!), and i agree with you that "you can make a problem of anything", but using a picture with a sexual notion (even if not explicit) in a CS class (instead of a neutral) is inappropriate i think - many (if not most) young girls will not be so comfortable in such a situation while in class with some teenage boys.
Any young man who grew up in the age of PornHub will call this pretty tame. But teenage girls are not the biggest fans of pornography sites, so they may not be as desensitized. Many schools ban bare-shoulder outfits, anyway.
Unfortunatly your comment where you asked the -rhetoric- question "The woman is giving a sexually suggestive glance, with bare shoulders, as expected of any centerfold cover model. Imagine your mother looking directly at you in the same way. Would you be uncomfortable?" is (currently) modded down as "flaimbait" - who ever did it, maybe did not noticed that you also write that you are a teacher (so probably you understand more about the teenager phychology than many of us).
The Lena Rossi image is famous, but tossing it into a CS class with a bunch of eighteen-year-old men is just asking for a hostile work environment for any women in the class.
I must ("must", because i really hate modern "feminism"...) agree with you, since i remember how i could turn the most innocent picture/writting in to a sexual point, just to draw the attention of the females (as Freud would expected) when i was in school.
A picture (even just a face) of a Playboy model may have a place in CS History class (or even in an Art class), but in strict CS class you must use something neutral that it would not be connected to a pornographic magazine in any way and/or would not force any -sexy, or not so sexy- female compare herself with one more (semi-)virtual competetor...
there's a dialup scam to get people to call numbers in countries that'll cost them big (shady porn sites love doing it)
Yes, it was also common in Greece (very long ago... when we were still in dialup...!?), but that is not the phone carrier's fault.
Finally, I'm really ashamed of slashdot approving an article which refers to an AT&T spokesperson as a "spokeshole" for no reason.
No reason???
Georgia Taylor didn't do anything to deserve that.
She has a hole... that speaks!!!
Show some maturity, slashdot
You expect maturity from assholes...
If they're worthwhile (by whatever metric you want to use that's important to you), yes. If not, no.
Well, o.k., since the question was "Should developers still pay from game engines?"...
Everything else is mental masturbation for the sake of political argument.
But what about social justice?
You are putting a very recent label (which was actually a joke that was been taken far too seriously) and applied it to something similar but not quite the same. The extreme strawman joke is not the same as reality.
As i wrote: it may be "a very recent label" for you, but not for me (and those who use it as a self-description) - and "actually a joke" for you, but not for me (and those who taking this role seriously).
If you want to help me, i have a question for you: can you provide me with a good term that describe all those "political correct" left-wing people that want to exterminate racism/sexism/etc and/or even racist/sexists/etc like me? I would prefer a term that can be used negatively by me (i.e., as an insult, e.g., "libtards", not something like "a good person that wants social justice").
Sorry, we've had graphics like this well before now in the Demoscene. At least since the 8*** series of nVidia GPUs - NINE GENERATIONS AGO.
O.K., i guess i deserved to get modded down!
I am just an easily impressed old guy who does not play games anymore, so when i watched the demo i was very impressed by what exists today and i immediately got in to the usual "who would ever need more than that" old guy's mode...
How is losing power in an airplane a safe mode?
In the same way as cutting off the power is a safe mode for any machine? But i guess that for a plane it's better to do it while on the ground...
A commercial plane will most probably undergo through several maintenance events and checks during that sort of time frame, where cycling the power is part of the procedure.
Yes, but when you have people taking pride for their desktop's uptime... well, better safe than sorry!
I predict this will be modded down.
Yes, you are probably right (if other slashdoter's don't try to ridicule me by modding you up!), but you don't impress me - i am a Greek, and my ancestors believed that it is easy to predict the future if you know the past (as Apollo, the Greek God of prophecies advised).
With respect, it falls into exactly the same category as the weirdo here (forgot his name) who uses the recent financial problems as an excuse to frequently assert that all Greeks are lazy - which is a pretty strange thing for anyone, especially an American to say.
The problem my dear friend is that stereotypes/generalizations (both Greek words by the way!) may be correct. For example, we Greeks are wrongly strereotyped as "lazy", but we should be rightly stereotyped as (at least) "unproductive" (source). Similarly, when people accuse us Greeks for tax evasion, while i pay my taxes "religiously", i can't argue with them because most Greeks do it.
Similarly the "social justice warrior" absurdity fits the personality of almost nobody that actually gives a shit about social justice. It's a very strange strawman. The only people I've seen that came close were kids in University politics when I had the misfortune to be exposed to such stuff some decades ago.
Yes, "kids in university politics" are traditionally the most common "SJW's", but (at least in Greece/Europe) plenty of other kind of "SJW" groups exist also - i don't know if you know about the European left-wing (or, at least, a major part of it), but in my country many people describe themselves as SJW's with pride.
Meanwhile people who just want to see rapists behind bars get the SJW insult directed at them.
Hmmm... in Europe/Greece, our SJW's are clearly the people who want the opposite!
I think that i understand the "spirit" of your comment and i may agree with it in some degree. But as a Greek (and European), when i use the term "SJW" (a term used as a self-description -translated word by word in Greek!- by those communists that persecuted my family in our civil war, and still existing as a party in our parliament), i do it in a specific meaning. I am a liberal (...and a nationalist!) - "lost in translation" terminologies, different degrees of extremism (from both wings), other cultural/social differences, create a gap in understanding between European-Americans/Greeks-British/etc. I would try to keep those term to a minimum use, because you are right, they create a problem. It is just convenient to have a term that describes a groups - i hope someone will find some that does not give a negative meaning to "social justice" (but please remember: at least in the case i described, SJW's themselves use it!).
Because this sort of thing doesn't impress me anymore.
Yes, you must be old, like i am (i was impressed with Amiga - and i already had an, quite impressive, Amstrad CPC 6128).
It looks pretty much the same as every other demo I've seen for the last several years. Sure, it IS more detailed but those details do pretty much nothing to enhance realism and in fact as the demo shows, the artists go out of their way to show off these features (like 3d movies) and ruin it in the process.
I don't need to be blinded by your overpowering puddle of water, thats not impressive, I don't even need thousands of dollars of GPUs to do that.
Instead of showing me tears that look fake as shit and being proud of it, or a dirty face, why don't you work on things that make the whole scene clearly a rendering instead of reality.
Worse still, you can STILL see that the shadows are not actually calculated real time and not only lag but are jerky in their transitions.
So 10 our of 10 for heating up your GPUs and frying eggs, but 0 for actually impressing me with an advancement in rendering that I can about.
I haven't played games from the time my Amstrad stoped working, but i think you need glasses for your presbyopia old man - i would agreed with you if you just wrote what most of us old men, as wiser now, think ("extremely realistic graphics may ruin game's fun"), but to believe that they just "frying eggs in their GPU's" is just a sign of alzheimer old man.
You are describing a strawman that started as a deliberate joke and became a net meme as a deliberate "out there" insult. I can't tell if you are being serious or joking from the above post, which should tell you something about how utterly ridiculous it all is if you are not joking.
I am not joking. And since i am a Greek/European i must inform you that "SJW's" (even as a term!) existed long before any "net" did (our first Greek SJW's -using that term as a self-description!- appeared a century ago).
Do you have references to the "we are Social Justice Warriors" paper or the journal it was published in?
O.K., i admit i was a bit "offtopic" - but i thought YOUR "lecture" (with which i agree in some degree) i was replied to (the first paragraph at least) was also a bit "offtopic", so...
Trying to prevent sexism or racism or other isms did not used to be considered an evil thing to do, at least not until the last couple of years.
But I AM a sexist AND racist... the evil thing those "SJW's" do is that prevent me express/discuss my opinions. I don't mind been called a "sexist/racist", even as an insult - my problem is that i have the "law" (i am Greek/European) gag me. In that way i may become more sexist/racist, in ways i currently think are stupid. And you have to understand that when it is dangerous and/or illegal for people , e.g., academics (note: i am not one), to express/discuss in a positive (or even just in a argumental) way their sexist/rasist views because of those SJW's, then asking me about "references to the SJW's paper/journal" may seem to someone like me a little hypocritical.
I understand that maybe you are from the USA and that we may be "lost in the translation" (e.g., i don't know exactly what the term "SJW's" means to a non-European), but i am sure that you understand the problematic situation when SJW's can prevent sexism/racism while i can NOT prevent their "social justice".
2nd amendment. The final check on the madness of the crowds.
Yes, as a European (!) i agree - protect it like Greeks: MOLON LABE...
When you have a group of people that declare "we are the Social Justice Warriors, we come in peace to fuck all of you sexists/racists/bigots/etc... IN THE NAME OF SOCIAL JUSTICE", well, don't be upset if people (like the one you replied to) use terms like "SJW's" or use the phrase "social justice" in a negative way - i agree with you that "social justice" is NOT something bad, but as a term becomes negative because of what i described. I AM a sexist/racist/bigot/etc that wants "social justice", just not the libtarded one those "SJW's" force to the rest of us. When the libtards (excuse the term, i don't use it as an insult in this case, but just for understanding's sake) act -with extreme ways/passion- "IN THE NAME OF SOCIAL JUSTICE", we, the rest of the world (including me, the sexist/racist/bigot/etc), we would start define "social justice" as... libtarded!
... I'm not sure how to describe it, though.
You just did it in your comment's tittle: "poetic" - i just add "justice" to it!
My first and main reaction to this story is hilarity. The PC world appears to be well on the way to self-cannibalism...
For a sexist/racist/bigoted/IslamoHomo-"phobic"/etc person like me (and European... where we have the "know how" to gag people with "disturbing" political/social beliefs), the "self-cannibalism" of the "PC" herd is the only hope i have for saving Western Civilization.
"Surprisingly cozy relationship" my ass. This is what real work is like, you advise people who do things. The fact that you don't like them after the fact is an irrelevancy.
You wave your bias way too openly to be taken seriously. Then again, this is pretty much the wingnut witch hunt site nowadays. Sanity is not easily to be found.
When i was serving in the Greek special forces (as a conscript*) we had this "what to do and what you will suffer if you are taken prisoners by the enemy" training, which in reality, if the roles were changed, could be used as a "what to do to the enemy if you take them prisoners and want them to give info" - i am sure (and know for a fact actualy) that among the psychologists helping directly/indirectly with this training existed many who opposed any (physical/psychological) turture.
I understand already that Slashdot is a place where you always have to defend your sanity from the libtarded summaries...
* officers, not only from S.F., had a much harder training.
Yes, if two (or three, as a fellow Slashdoter notes) "data points" exist then it is a tendency ("trend" - especialy if it is among "billionaires", as the summary states).
What was reserved only for governments it is now available to the wealthiest citizens, and what is now a trend among rich people will be common for all people - a "folks-rocket", as Hitler would like it named...