In the past ten years how many terrorist attacks have been instigated by religions other than islam? I can't think of any, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was one or two The Bush reference is the reply to this. He might not be a terrorist per se, but the damage he's done is on the order of at least dozens of terrorist attacks. And allegedly due to some "duty to God" or something like that.
There is nothing in the new testament saying to kill your enemies, rape their wives, and enslave their children. Yes, the New Testament is not the Old Testament. So what? Either Christians renounce the Old Testament (or at least those parts which encourage violence) or accept that it's part of their religion.
FYI, I'm not religious, and I have nothing against Christians nor Muslims. (until when they try to tell me how to live my life, that is...)
Perhaps you simply aren't paying attention to world events. In the past ten years how many terrorist attacks have been instigated by religions other than islam? I can't think of any, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was one or two. In the past ten years how many times have there been islamic terrorist attacks? More than 10,000. I've heard rumors that W takes commands directly from God.
No, they aren't similar. I don't remember the christian bible telling you to kill non-believers, rape their wives, and enslave their children, but this is in the koran. There is no room for "peace and love" for people of other faiths in islam. I'm sure somebody more familiar with the Christian bible could prove you wrong.
I'm reasonably familiar with the common syscalls in Linux, and usually when a question on its specific behavior comes up I RTFM and usually get the answer. I've been playing with Win32 a while ago, and the API simply feels like a mess to me. Maybe it's just because I'm a rookie, but whenever I have need a clarification on the (supposed) behavior I usually don't find it in the official docs, and I'd be lucky to find some "rumors"/"tips"/"tricks" from some "expert sites" that touches upon the issue. That, and I've seen behavior change between versions of windows, with no warning from the current official docs unless you dig out the old docs from decades ago.
The impression I got was that to interface with the Win32 API, you *guess* the behavior of the OS, write something on those assumptions, and then test whether your guesses are correct. If you don't get it working the first time, keep tweaking until you got working code. In the end, your code seems to work but you don't really know why.
I sorta understand why it's so hard to implement the Win32API.... Microsoft themselves don't really do it that well. The only reason apps run on Windows is because they're designed to.
Well, when you have these kinds of blatant typos it means the poster might not have any idea what he was talking about. In that case, it cast doubts on whether it's really a "world changing experiment"...
You really can't discuss the millions of people killed from actions by the Chinese communist party, can you?
The Great Leap Forward was a disaster. The Cultural Revolution was horrible. Hmm any more?
1984 is about a police state that controls its population so hard and horribly that it will continue to do so forever. A quote, if I remember correctly, is "history as a foot stomping on a face -- forever". The main reason that isn't so likely anymore is because democracies works better than dictatorships. The rest of the world just hopes that China isn't breaking that trend...
Was that clear enough that you can't stick your head into the sand anymore?
Look, I'm not sticking my head into the sand. I'm well aware of the rights and freedoms that needs to be defended, and the importance of freedom of thought, expression and speech. I'm just saying that the book is a cautionary tale, and yet people here seems to be taking the book *literally*, in the sense that they're more sensitive to scenarios that superficially match those described in the book, and yet relatively less sensitive to issues which don't resemble it (but are nonetheless important human rights issues).
Unless you mean 1984 is *necessary* reading to understand what freedom is about -- in that case this attitude is exactly the problem.
But it is just pathetic to argue that the Japanese WW II government had a worse quality to their atrocities than the communist party -- which did theirs much later! That is just not serious. The whole world has more to fear from the Chinese communist party's refusal to accept their atrocities than from japan, which is democratic.
A few points.
- Economic and political disasters is different from invading another country and killing their civilians. I know it must be hard for westerners to accept that the Japanese WWII government was more horrible than the "evil communists" (after all, they're quite nice these days), but just read up on what they've done during the war. Maybe all you know is "Pearl Harbour", but that's just nothing. The things the Chinese Communists did are simply nothing in comparison.
- "Chinese communist party's refusal to accept their atrocities" - except for the Tienanmen Square event, the major mistakes they've done in the past were criticized and proclaimed to be mistakes by the CCP themselves. Some Japanese still don't even acknowledge things like the Nanking Massacre happened, or the war crimes their army had done, and until recently their Prime Ministers have been worshiping those who had committed these war crimes.
- Please don't confuse "resentment" with "fear". Chinese do not "fear" Japan. It's their attitude. It's the same reason why people hate Nazism even though these days no sane country would be able to slaughter Jews en masse again. Imagine somebody came into your house, killed all the men and raped all the women. Then that guy denies it even happened. Would you be mad?
- The "democratic" == "good" mentality is sickening. Sure, *in general* democracies do less evil things, are more responsible to their people etc. But it doesn't work for individual cases. Germany was "democratic" until the very last moment when Hitler came to power. Being a democracy doesn't mean anything if the people voted for a horrible person as leader. Being a democracy does not excuse a government of wrongdoings. (btw, the Japanese were not democratic in WWII, the Emperor of Japan was in charge)
And mind you, I'm not saying all this to "defend" the Chinese government of anything. I'm here to tell you what most Chinese think, and I'm not here to argue whether the Chinese government is evil or not. If you insist we could have a separate dialog on that, but please don't co
My opinion is that the law is not in violation, and the enforcement is. Most places have laws that are coded vaguely that basically says if you do anything to cause disruption of public order we could arrest you. I could be wrong though, the ECHR seems rather progressive.
A judicial review of the police's actions might be the theoretically most appropriate action, but would be fscking expensive.
The practical solution would be simply as mentioned in the replies in the forum -- take it to the press. It'd be much more useful than an obscure court judgment which nobody but lawyers read anyway.
If you really don't understand what the west is afraid of -- do read 1984. Don't sit and attribute random motives. I know it's about 1984, never bothered to read it. From what I've heard it sounds like exaggerated paranoia if taken *literally*. (which many here seems to)
BTW, I don't get the "enemies" stuff about Japan at all. Consider all the fsckups the Chinese Communist party has done; they've killed lots of millions of Chinese trough hunger etc. Many times more than the Japanese ever did. But all dictators like external enemies. You don't count lives like this. Japanese Imperialism is the counterpart of German Nazism in Europe. At least the Germans renounced Nazism but the Japanese are still sorta in a mindset that they haven't done anything wrong during WWII. The question of whether they killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians is in "doubt", like how some people "doubt" whether the Holocaust happened. You're not seeing the dark side of their beliefs because they're complying with the wishes of the USA. (I'm not saying they're bad people, quite the opposite. But the reason Chinese [and some koreans etc] have grudges against the Japanese is essentially the same reason why the west have/had grudges against Germany... except that the mindset still somewhat persists in Japan)
As a typical illustration, until recently Japanese prime ministers visit the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine routinely. You could look it up yourself. I'll submit that it's analogous to a German president paying tributes to Nazis. Shouldn't it be a cause of concern?
All I dispute is that the national mourning should be mandatory. I'll concede this point. I saw the announcement from the department of internet control or something like that... basically the mourning is loosely administratively mandatory.
You're currently at step 1 -- reinforce national belonging, and the faith in the current government. It may stop at that, but I suspect that someone, somewhere, is going to start twisting that for their own ends. Criticisms shouldn't be that speculative. Otherwise why not just start the flames at step 0? After all, they might do something evil, we just don't know what.
Many of the posts seen on slashdot today seem downright creepy to your average Westerner! People saying things like the Government has a duty to control rumors to protect the people. Very creepy. Creepiness noted and understood. I'm surprised at the number of new registrants surging in...:-/
As for the "duty to control rumors"... I, for one, welcome our Rumor Controlling Overlords... Well, seriously, in an ideal world, I really would. I mean, digging into every rumor to find out whether it's true is a time consuming process, and *IF* we had a responsible government who actually controls false rumors (instead of censoring real ones they don't want to hear about), then I'm all for it. The problem is just the big "IF"....
I do, however, find it disgusting when people use the empathy and sympathy of others for their own means. That includes the US. I don't really see this as the case in China. Declaring a national mourning is what the Chinese people want. You could dispute this with me, and we could go into philosophical discussions of how free will could be affected by state media, what it means by "wanting" something, etc. But at the end of the day, I think the government is simply following the wishes of the people in this instance.
It's just a bit insulting that you'd assume that if US used sympathy in 911 for their own means then the Chinese government would do that too. I'm not saying that they're definitely not doing it, but it's too early to tell. You're basically using a strawman argument.
Mind you, reinforcing national belonging is not an "ulterior motive". Using the disaster to fuel fear of terrorists and to launch two wars is.
- Communists are evil. China is ruled by communists. The Chinese government is evil. [despite these days they are anything but the "communists" you know] - Chinese are brainwashed. If they support their government that's because they're brainwashed. So the opinions of the Chinese people don't matter. (The best one so far: Chinese don't really care about the victims of the quake, they're just brainwashed) - China is not democratic, so they are bad. (despite that implementing democracy in China would be extremely difficult right now, it's not like places like Afghanistan, Iraq have very functional democracies huh?) - China occupies Tibet, so it must be wanting to take over the world! - Chinese government censors. OMFG WE SHOULD CALL THEM NAMES!! BASTARDS!! BABY KILLERS!! FSCK THEM ALL!! - You Chinese should overthrow the communist government because we don't like them.
A government that allows free speech and free election does not lead to an responsible government. However, it gets you a lot further than a government without free speech and free election. The fact that US government allows for free speech is exactly the reason we can argue about the stupidity of the Bush administration and the absurdity of WMD claims. If critics of the Bush administration can be easily silenced like critics of the Chinese government you think youâ(TM)ll ever out about the lack of WMD evidence? This goes contrary to the action of the Chinese government. Can the Chinese citizens ever criticize its government for the brutality committed by the PRC government in Tibet? or the Tienanmen Square massacre? or the rampant government corruption? or the growing wealth disparity? I'll ask this: If criticism doesn't effect any changes, what's the point? You could criticize the Bush administration for all you want, and it's not changing their attitude. It only makes you feel better by venting out all your frustration, but it seems to have done nothing.
Do you hold the Chinese people to the same standard you hold the Americans to? If as you stated âoethey should be ashamed for electing a crap government despite having these freedomsâ should the Chinese people be ashamed for not even asking its government for the freedom to freely criticize it. Casting the right votes is a bit different from risking your liberty to say something... Besides, there are people who tries to push the limits. Maybe you haven't heard of them.
I see all these overseas Chinese rushing to the defense of an authoritarian regime that oppresses its own people and silences any opposing view and I wonder if they are are allowing their own ethnic pride to cloud their judgment of an oppressive regime. By defending the Chinese government you are just as guilty as those Americans you accused of electing âoea crap government.â I partially agree. When I saw all the Chinese gathering in foreign countries waving red flags and highly emotional... I'm like "wtf?!?!". Two weeks ago here in Hong Kong some people protested on the Tibet issue during the Olympic torch relay, and people started attacking the protesters, and if you ask me I'd say that's totally uncivilized. But sometimes the accusations towards the Chinese government is simply wrong (or misleading), and I don't see why I'm guilty of defending it.
Actually, I don't see myself as defending the Chinese government. I'm just hoping to clear up misconceptions of westerners towards China. The reason it looks like I'm defending it is because the critics are usually so bent on finding bogus flaws that any explanation on my part is bound to sound like an apologist.
If you honestly believe that there is a "Western" conspiracy to break up China, I really think the onus is on you to provide ANY evidence or justification that the west would even want this! Firstly, I don't believe that statement literally. I'm just saying it's not "funny", and it's no secret, for example, that CIA has/had been doing some work in trying to destabilize Tibet etc. Also, talk about onus. Most people bashing China assumes the Chinese government is evil by default, and there's simply no way to prove otherwise to these people.
As for the rest of your post, you get angry when people on slashdot bring up what the Chinese government was like last year (for instance back when ALL BBC was banned, as opposed to only banning Chinese language BBC), and then you bring up literally centuries old European history that Europe+American both are collectively ashamed of? I don't get it. No, in fact I don't get angry (easily). Got a bit over the top here I guess, sorry. It's just infuriating to see how idiots trivialize the intentions of their governments etc. Literally there's no grand plan to split up China into chunks, etc, but there's enough truth in it that it's not funny. Tibet independence was/is supported by the CIA (at least that's what I've been told, prove me wrong), and Taiwan is backed by USA, Japan etc. I don't mean China should invade Taiwan, but why is USA backing Taiwan if not to create a counterbalance to PRC?
About history. The western sentiment against the Chinese government(s) decades ago still linger. The only times I've seen people bringing up these western histories is when people bash China for things that happened decades ago. Look, if you could ask people to forget about the history and look to the future (btw, some people are actually proud of that history. Go figure), why not give China a chance? Sure the ruling party in China is still called the "Chinese Communist Party" but the people inside have changed and ideology have changed.
Yes it sucks for the one guy, but it's the reason to dislike China's government and to try to change it. Not to reiterate, but do you believe we can better foster that change by isolating it from our activities, or by maintaining direct ties to its citizens and providing them with easy access to information? If you believe the former, then stop hiding behind this one guy's fate. Just come out and say: "We should not compromise any of our principles when dealing with China, even if that means breaking off all relations with them." Wait, wait. We're talking about India right?
I mean, this reminds everybody about the Yahoo thing in China, but you're replying to:
Unless you're the guy who's recently been introduced to the concept of a combination Toilet / Food Bowl, thanks to Google's actions Last I heard the Chinese didn't force the guy to eat shit. I mean, if you're lumping the two things together at least don't single out China. Maybe "India/China" instead?
Argh. India abuses some human rights and now everybody is talking about how bad China is.
Tell me that this guy is made of straw, or imaginary.
No one here is going to cease lodging criticisms against oppression just because a government is less oppressive one day than the day previously No, but at least acknowledge the fact.
Only to you it's about China To me, it's about getting the facts right, so that China could progress into a more open, free, and democratic country. To me, it's about criticizing China about the things that's worth criticizing, and not making up false accusations.
I'm here writing "large posts flaming" people because I'm fed up with people having NO FSCKING CLUE ABOUT CHINA trying to pour their own "great ideas" into the discussion, drowning any useful comments. I'm fed up with people totally missing the point when criticizing China, thus ignoring the real issues that hinders China from becoming an open and free country.
Yes, to me it's about China, it's about a free and democratic China. It's not going to happen today, nor tomorrow, but things are getting better, so until the progress stops, we can see that day. If course, if you're saying that's too slow, I'd invite you to change it today with your God-like powers of switching the country with the largest population into a democracy overnight, despite socio-economic problems like poverty and illiteracy. (Why's that a problem? imagine you could buy a vote from them for a dollar...)
Having a free press may not be ideal, but then nor is having a democracy. The problem is who makes the decisions. If we could find a suitable benevolent dictator to run the country it would be a lot fairer and more efficient. If we could find a suitable benevolent censor to control the press it would be a lot fairer and more accurate. Unfortunately such people don't seem to be very common, power corrupts and nobody would be able to agree on which dictator/censor would be the most benevolent. So we have democracy and a free press, which is the least-bad way we've come up with. Hear. If I could quote you on that. Basically in China they seem to have found a way to get acceptably benevolent dictators to the top (in the last 20 years at least). Nobody's perfect, and not everybody agrees with the leadership, but there are considerable difficulties if China were to be a democratic country (when a significant portion of the country is illiterate, do you really trust them to make the correct voting decisions?). So in the Chinese context, it is arguable that it's the least bad way they've come up with.
Sigh. People from the UK actually understands these stuff, instead of the Americans who sell democracy as a silver bullet.:-/
So, what are the building codes in the affected areas like? Comparable to earthquake-prone regions in North American and Europe? Don't have any data at hand, but probably not. Because China is poorer than North America and much of Europe.
Are any of the Chinese "journalists" asking if things had to be this bad? Are they allowed to? Yes. Specifically, there was much concern about why a significant number of schools and hospitals crumbled while government buildings seem to be relatively unharmed.
China is made up of 56 different ethnics groups, 800 million of which are on less than $2 a day. You want to throw into that the irresponsible, almost unaccountable, sensationalist press we have in the West? What's the worse thing that happens? People learn to think for themselves? People believing Saddam had WMDs. People believing Saddam caused the 911 People believing they are doing Iraqis a service by "bringing freedom" to them. People believing Obama is a Muslim. People voting against Obama simply because he's black. People believing the slashdot headline here.
Tell me, when have people learned to think for themselves?
Don't get me wrong I'm not for censorship. I'm just for responsible journalism, because like it or not, there are some people who'd just believe in anything they're told.
What, didn't the USA "bring democracy into Iraq"? And now they're proposing to do it in Iran?
Lol? Did you read up on Chinese history where western powers tried to colonize China? If you don't know sht about China, you must have read up on the history of your own country? If you're an American you should know what happened to the Natives? If you're from Europe you should be aware of the great colonies of your country? What are those Europeans doing in Africa? What are US troops doing in Iraq? What are US troops doing all around the world?
A number of slashdot posters have confirmed this. I must have missed them. Where?
Note that you'll have to show them to be involuntarily closed. I've seen a lot of sites voluntarily closed, or functioning with less features, or at least having its designs changed to mourn the victims of the quake.
Censorship is censorship is censorship. Censorship is censorship. Mourning is mourning.
The question is, which is it? This should be based on facts. You don't provide facts you don't provide evidence, you simply repeat your views based on nothing but a slashdot headline (and if you look carefully, it's misleading [if not outright false], as usual).
You're trying to make an analogy between a minute of silence and a government crackdown on websites and freedom of information. Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds? Yes, sounds ludicrous to me.
As I understood it, nobody is cracking down websites to enforce the "order". They are doing it voluntarily. (Did you read the comments in TFA?)
Look how false information could mislead and spread. Stop it please, I'm tired of debunking them.
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FYI, I'm not religious, and I have nothing against Christians nor Muslims. (until when they try to tell me how to live my life, that is...)
Seconded.
I'm reasonably familiar with the common syscalls in Linux, and usually when a question on its specific behavior comes up I RTFM and usually get the answer. I've been playing with Win32 a while ago, and the API simply feels like a mess to me. Maybe it's just because I'm a rookie, but whenever I have need a clarification on the (supposed) behavior I usually don't find it in the official docs, and I'd be lucky to find some "rumors"/"tips"/"tricks" from some "expert sites" that touches upon the issue. That, and I've seen behavior change between versions of windows, with no warning from the current official docs unless you dig out the old docs from decades ago.
The impression I got was that to interface with the Win32 API, you *guess* the behavior of the OS, write something on those assumptions, and then test whether your guesses are correct. If you don't get it working the first time, keep tweaking until you got working code. In the end, your code seems to work but you don't really know why.
I sorta understand why it's so hard to implement the Win32API.... Microsoft themselves don't really do it that well. The only reason apps run on Windows is because they're designed to.
Well, when you have these kinds of blatant typos it means the poster might not have any idea what he was talking about. In that case, it cast doubts on whether it's really a "world changing experiment"...
You really can't discuss the millions of people killed from actions by the Chinese communist party, can you?
The Great Leap Forward was a disaster. The Cultural Revolution was horrible. Hmm any more?
1984 is about a police state that controls its population so hard and horribly that it will continue to do so forever. A quote, if I remember correctly, is "history as a foot stomping on a face -- forever". The main reason that isn't so likely anymore is because democracies works better than dictatorships. The rest of the world just hopes that China isn't breaking that trend...
Was that clear enough that you can't stick your head into the sand anymore?
Look, I'm not sticking my head into the sand. I'm well aware of the rights and freedoms that needs to be defended, and the importance of freedom of thought, expression and speech. I'm just saying that the book is a cautionary tale, and yet people here seems to be taking the book *literally*, in the sense that they're more sensitive to scenarios that superficially match those described in the book, and yet relatively less sensitive to issues which don't resemble it (but are nonetheless important human rights issues).
Unless you mean 1984 is *necessary* reading to understand what freedom is about -- in that case this attitude is exactly the problem.
But it is just pathetic to argue that the Japanese WW II government had a worse quality to their atrocities than the communist party -- which did theirs much later! That is just not serious. The whole world has more to fear from the Chinese communist party's refusal to accept their atrocities than from japan, which is democratic.
A few points.
- Economic and political disasters is different from invading another country and killing their civilians. I know it must be hard for westerners to accept that the Japanese WWII government was more horrible than the "evil communists" (after all, they're quite nice these days), but just read up on what they've done during the war. Maybe all you know is "Pearl Harbour", but that's just nothing. The things the Chinese Communists did are simply nothing in comparison.
- "Chinese communist party's refusal to accept their atrocities" - except for the Tienanmen Square event, the major mistakes they've done in the past were criticized and proclaimed to be mistakes by the CCP themselves. Some Japanese still don't even acknowledge things like the Nanking Massacre happened, or the war crimes their army had done, and until recently their Prime Ministers have been worshiping those who had committed these war crimes.
- Please don't confuse "resentment" with "fear". Chinese do not "fear" Japan. It's their attitude. It's the same reason why people hate Nazism even though these days no sane country would be able to slaughter Jews en masse again. Imagine somebody came into your house, killed all the men and raped all the women. Then that guy denies it even happened. Would you be mad?
- The "democratic" == "good" mentality is sickening. Sure, *in general* democracies do less evil things, are more responsible to their people etc. But it doesn't work for individual cases. Germany was "democratic" until the very last moment when Hitler came to power. Being a democracy doesn't mean anything if the people voted for a horrible person as leader. Being a democracy does not excuse a government of wrongdoings. (btw, the Japanese were not democratic in WWII, the Emperor of Japan was in charge)
And mind you, I'm not saying all this to "defend" the Chinese government of anything. I'm here to tell you what most Chinese think, and I'm not here to argue whether the Chinese government is evil or not. If you insist we could have a separate dialog on that, but please don't co
IANAL.
My opinion is that the law is not in violation, and the enforcement is. Most places have laws that are coded vaguely that basically says if you do anything to cause disruption of public order we could arrest you. I could be wrong though, the ECHR seems rather progressive.
A judicial review of the police's actions might be the theoretically most appropriate action, but would be fscking expensive.
The practical solution would be simply as mentioned in the replies in the forum -- take it to the press. It'd be much more useful than an obscure court judgment which nobody but lawyers read anyway.
As a typical illustration, until recently Japanese prime ministers visit the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine routinely. You could look it up yourself. I'll submit that it's analogous to a German president paying tributes to Nazis. Shouldn't it be a cause of concern?
It's hilarious once, but gets old when it happens once in a while, whenever "China" comes up....
.... I wonder how many flame wars they'll cause later... haha.
And about the new registrants who seem to be predominantly Chinese
As for the "duty to control rumors"... I, for one, welcome our Rumor Controlling Overlords... Well, seriously, in an ideal world, I really would. I mean, digging into every rumor to find out whether it's true is a time consuming process, and *IF* we had a responsible government who actually controls false rumors (instead of censoring real ones they don't want to hear about), then I'm all for it. The problem is just the big "IF"....
It's just a bit insulting that you'd assume that if US used sympathy in 911 for their own means then the Chinese government would do that too. I'm not saying that they're definitely not doing it, but it's too early to tell. You're basically using a strawman argument.
Mind you, reinforcing national belonging is not an "ulterior motive". Using the disaster to fuel fear of terrorists and to launch two wars is.
I'll outline a few common themes.
- Communists are evil. China is ruled by communists. The Chinese government is evil. [despite these days they are anything but the "communists" you know]
- Chinese are brainwashed. If they support their government that's because they're brainwashed. So the opinions of the Chinese people don't matter. (The best one so far: Chinese don't really care about the victims of the quake, they're just brainwashed)
- China is not democratic, so they are bad. (despite that implementing democracy in China would be extremely difficult right now, it's not like places like Afghanistan, Iraq have very functional democracies huh?)
- China occupies Tibet, so it must be wanting to take over the world!
- Chinese government censors. OMFG WE SHOULD CALL THEM NAMES!! BASTARDS!! BABY KILLERS!! FSCK THEM ALL!!
- You Chinese should overthrow the communist government because we don't like them.
Actually, I don't see myself as defending the Chinese government. I'm just hoping to clear up misconceptions of westerners towards China. The reason it looks like I'm defending it is because the critics are usually so bent on finding bogus flaws that any explanation on my part is bound to sound like an apologist.
About history. The western sentiment against the Chinese government(s) decades ago still linger. The only times I've seen people bringing up these western histories is when people bash China for things that happened decades ago. Look, if you could ask people to forget about the history and look to the future (btw, some people are actually proud of that history. Go figure), why not give China a chance? Sure the ruling party in China is still called the "Chinese Communist Party" but the people inside have changed and ideology have changed.
And yes, I think censorship is stupid.
Saying China is democratic is a bit of a stretch.
Let's get real elections (for the Chief Executive) here in Hong Kong first, and we'll talk about the rest of the country later.
I understand it now. Being a democracy excuses any wrongs you do to humanity.
I mean, this reminds everybody about the Yahoo thing in China, but you're replying to: Unless you're the guy who's recently been introduced to the concept of a combination Toilet / Food Bowl, thanks to Google's actions Last I heard the Chinese didn't force the guy to eat shit. I mean, if you're lumping the two things together at least don't single out China. Maybe "India/China" instead?
Argh. India abuses some human rights and now everybody is talking about how bad China is.
Thanks. I feel like RMS now.
I'm here writing "large posts flaming" people because I'm fed up with people having NO FSCKING CLUE ABOUT CHINA trying to pour their own "great ideas" into the discussion, drowning any useful comments. I'm fed up with people totally missing the point when criticizing China, thus ignoring the real issues that hinders China from becoming an open and free country.
Yes, to me it's about China, it's about a free and democratic China. It's not going to happen today, nor tomorrow, but things are getting better, so until the progress stops, we can see that day. If course, if you're saying that's too slow, I'd invite you to change it today with your God-like powers of switching the country with the largest population into a democracy overnight, despite socio-economic problems like poverty and illiteracy. (Why's that a problem? imagine you could buy a vote from them for a dollar...)
Mod me down, I have karma to burn.
Sigh. People from the UK actually understands these stuff, instead of the Americans who sell democracy as a silver bullet.
Does this answer your questions?
People believing Saddam caused the 911
People believing they are doing Iraqis a service by "bringing freedom" to them.
People believing Obama is a Muslim.
People voting against Obama simply because he's black.
People believing the slashdot headline here.
Tell me, when have people learned to think for themselves?
Don't get me wrong I'm not for censorship. I'm just for responsible journalism, because like it or not, there are some people who'd just believe in anything they're told.
Lol, you don't?
What, didn't the USA "bring democracy into Iraq"? And now they're proposing to do it in Iran?
Lol? Did you read up on Chinese history where western powers tried to colonize China? If you don't know sht about China, you must have read up on the history of your own country? If you're an American you should know what happened to the Natives? If you're from Europe you should be aware of the great colonies of your country? What are those Europeans doing in Africa? What are US troops doing in Iraq? What are US troops doing all around the world?
I wonder what's so funny actually.
Note that you'll have to show them to be involuntarily closed. I've seen a lot of sites voluntarily closed, or functioning with less features, or at least having its designs changed to mourn the victims of the quake.
Mourning is mourning.
The question is, which is it? This should be based on facts. You don't provide facts you don't provide evidence, you simply repeat your views based on nothing but a slashdot headline (and if you look carefully, it's misleading [if not outright false], as usual).
As I understood it, nobody is cracking down websites to enforce the "order". They are doing it voluntarily. (Did you read the comments in TFA?)
Look how false information could mislead and spread. Stop it please, I'm tired of debunking them.