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Successful Cold Fusion Experiment?
An anonymous reader writes "The italian economic journal 'Il sole 24 ore' published an article about a successful cold fusion experiment performed by Yoshiaki Arata in Japan. They seems to have pumped high pressure deutherium gas in a nanometric matrix of palladium and zyrcon oxide. The experiments generates a considerable amount of energy and they found the presence of Helium-4 in the matrix (as sign of the fusion). I was not able to find other articles about this but the journal is very authoritative in Italy. Google translations are also available."
Must have been a very successful experiment. All the "H" are indeed gone!
I don't mind dating a girl that has been with everybody, as long as she had a good shower afterwards.
It'll be just in time for the whole peak-oil extravaganza, and damn useful to power all our new electric cars.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
i mean, i would have looked for helium-4 as a proof of cold fusion, but elium-4?! that's incredible! did they use dilithium crystals to do that? adamantium? unobtanium?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You don't really believe all this cold fusion mumbo jumbo now do you?
I found this article on the demonstration:
http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/05/coldfusion_demonstration_a_suc_1.html
A little more here:
http://newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo.htm
Not a first hand account, but still.
Wouldn't that be nice? After years of delays for a new experimental fusion reactor (ITER) because they could not agree on where it should be built, a Japanese professor finds a way to get cold fusion to get work and the reactor is obsolete before built! Science can move ahead in strange and unpredictable ways as well...
...and what do we get on Slashdot? Nothing but posts about a fracking typo in the summary. Grow up and get some perspective.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Not everyone speaks or uses English or its way of spelling.
I make websites and stuff. Buy one.
That's why Slashdot has editors to clean up the submissions, and discard the dupes.
Oh, wait...
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Shouldn't they been using neutron detector to prove that nuclear fusion tuck place?
Yeah really-- I can't wait to ditch it for lojban.
~Ethan Anderson (ethana2) too lazy to sign in.
Why are we first hearing of an experiment in Japan from an Italian journal?
As a physicist, I am a little perplexed as to why a story with such signifigance would be published in an Italian economics journal. Why not Physical Review, Nature, or one of the other journals typically used for such groundbreaking work?
Apparently the original peer reviewed article in Japanese is here: http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jhts/33/3/142/_pdf
Now, i don't understand much about Japanese or high temperature physics but as far as i can see, there isn't even a mention of Helium-4 in the article's English abstract or the picture and graph subtitles. This makes me wonder quite a bit about who put this hyperbolic spin on the story. Maybe the He-4 discovery is just a recent and unexpected find they decided to (too) eagerly emphasize?
Could someone who knows Japanese and some physics post his/her views on the article?
Exactly. Also, half an hour to get 25 degrees of heat from 7 grams of material does not sound like a nuclear event to me, although I'm admittedly no expert (or even a layman).
It sounds a lot like this experiment with similar materials from around 2002, which was ridiculed.
If found older (English) peer-reviewed papers by this Author here and here. He doesn't seem to have published much on this since then, except for a very vague patent application to be found here.
It seems unlikely to me that the first move an earnest discoverer of a new energy source in Japan would be to call an Italian newspaper. All the more since he seems to be working in academia and would thus have a strong incentive to publish in a peer-reviewed journal first (you don't get the Nobel prize for an article in "Il sore 24 ore"). But, here are the papers. Form your own opinion...
The article seemed to be sparse on the details of what was actually going on, but if indeed the only evidence that they had a fusion reaction happening is the presence of helium-4, then they may have just detected naturally occurring helium that is present in the atmosphere (0.000524%).
A better test to see whether fusion reactions are taking place is to try to detect the a stream of neutrons which are being produced. The neutrons flux and the energy should be able to be used to differentiate the fusion neutrons from the background neutron sources, such as those caused by spontaneous fission events of heavy elements like uranium. Also, nuclear fusion reactions tend to produce high-energy, or fast neutrons (upwards of 14 MeV with deuterium-deuterium fusion) which isn't too common unless you have some type of nuclear reaction taking place. (Here's a list of important nuclear fusion reactions important fusion reactions for those who are curious.)
Detecting helium on the other hand, seems not so out of the ordinary since there is helium in the atmosphere.
here http://atomic-motor.blogspot.com/
http://www.newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo.htm
Link to observations by Yoshiaki Arata and Yue-Chang Zhang:
http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/jnlpdf.php?cdjournal=pjab1977&cdvol=74&noissue=7&startpage=155&lang=en&from=jnlabstract
Il Sole 24 Ore is a freaken newspaper. Not a peer reviewed scientific journal and definitely not the place to look for cold fusion research.
If it was valid research it would be published in a reputable primary source.
A huge breakthrough of a japanese scientist... ... end of as a story in a italian economy newspaper?
Doesnt that seem a bit fishy?
See me again when they actually published something somewhere...
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
http://physicsworld.com/blog/
I distrust anything that contains the words 'nanometric matrix of palladium and zyrcon' it sounds very low budget sci-fi to me. Why not a defribulating constant vortex of endoplasmic singularities? eh?
like phosphorescent desert buttons singing one familiar song
"I wish them the very best." I'll root for anything that shows promise in reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, partcularly oil. Can you imagine the day when we can tell the Saudis to go away and take their extremist sect with them!
Invenio via vel creo
Zircon, of gawdy jewelry fame, contains zirconium. Maybe my father's gawdawful giant zircon ring will finally become valuable. That can't happen. My father's sense of bad taste was infallible. On those grounds alone, I declare that the experiment was a hoax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconium#Applications
Now all we need is a way of turning egg yokes into deuterium and palladium.
I am willing to bet 1 USD on the fact that this invention will not turn out to be churning out energy using nuclear fusion. Payments will be done through paypal if anyone is willing to bet 1 USD on that this invention will prove to be generating energy from nuclear fusion.
Heroes die once, cowards live longer.
Firstly, let's remember that so far, cold fusion has been a con. A rip-off. A fraud. Call it what you will. Treat it with major-league skepticism.
Secondly, remember the Nuclear Physics. Any useful reactor is going to produce prodigious amounts of radiation, neutron and gamma. That means lots of heavy and bulky shielding. This is not going to appear in a home or car near you.
Thirdly, remember thermodynamic efficiency. If the hot side of the reactor is 100C and the cold side is - say - 40C, then your *maximum* efficiency is about 15%. For every kW you extract, there's about 7kW of waste heat (assuming that everything else is 100% efficient). If you want to make the thing efficient you have to raise the temperature of the hot side to - say - 800C, with a cold side of about 100C. That's much more practical, but has a maximum efficiency of only 50% and requires a strange definition of cold.
If all you want is to warm the planet up, cold fusion might help. Provided it's not a con. Again.
... engineering is based on science.
... skipping a few steps there). This is all according to the rules of nature - but that doesn't mean that you can expect to find an internal combustion engine that just fell into place anywhere in the universe.
Science is all about observation, i.e., how things play out when left well alone.
Engineering is all about stacking the odds, i.e., setting things up in such a way that they play out to be "useful" - play out according to the rules observed during the "science" stage.
Now to nuclear fusion: there are just two types of nuclear fusion that have been observed by humans that result in a net output of energy: stars, and hydrogen bombs.
The first is pure science, no engineering involved. And kind of hard to reproduce, as the required heat and pressure has the tendency to turn into plasma anything that is close, for example a vessel. Indeed, this is what happens in the "bomb" thing - very useful, but of equally limited applicability.
Most of the fruits of engineering are devices that do not occur in nature (although they universally follow the rules of nature). For example: Mix gasoline vapour and air, chuck a spark through it, and you get a net energy output. Do this in a confined space, and you get an explosion. Do this in a rather intricately designed confined space that can expand (and re-contract) within well-defined parameters, and you get an internal combustion engine (well
As for nuclear fusion: although only the "hot" variant has been observed in nature up until now, that doesn't mean that if there is a cold variant, that it will be anything that is immediately obvious. Indeed, if such a beast be born, it will be "obvious" only in retrospect. Initially, it is likely to be some mechanism based on some fringe effect that has been observed in nature, but hasn't found application in any machine yet.
And any upside would be quite revolutionary - so to anyone who's still seriously tinkering with this tuff even after the train wreck that was Pons and Fleischmann - bully to you.
yes, we have no bananas
Cold fusion isn't ruled out by any known laws of physics, so I'll keep an open mind about it until it's proven one way or another. Pons and Fleischman may not have succeeded, but that's no reason to quit. As long as the people trying to make it work are doing so with their own funds, more power to them. If someone succeeds, then a lot of the scarcity in the world can be solved.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
In my personal experience, machine translation has long since surpassed your average Italian English speaker.
Could we please restrict all further "cold fusion" articles to at least the level of "cold fusion experiment of X successfully reproduced by Y"?. That would help keeping the noise level down.
Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
Since cold fusion has such a bad reputation, they are calling it Low -Energy Nuclear Reactions. It's not only a better name, but it describes more accurately what those scientists are seeing: Transmutations and excess energy in low energy conditions.
The offical LENR webcine New Energy Times has all the info:
http://www.newenergytimes.com/
It seems likely that this will turn out to be a poorly-understood conventional exothermic chemical reaction. It might still turn out to be useful and/or enlightening. If nothing else, it serves to remind us that there's quite a lot of fairly basic chemistry that we haven't quite figured out yet.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
'ere guv, 'ave some 'elium-4 :)
--I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
... a successful cold confusion experiment.
meh
Why are you letting these clowns ruin our country?
is that they were able to find out about cold fusion and run the experiment in less time than it is taking you to do your movie.
The "in" thing is cold, or solid fusion which is a relatively low energy process (25 C of heating in this experiment). The ITER will work at a highly concentrated energy level. So there you have it: the difference is infusion or confusion. ;-)
Invenio via vel creo
Is at http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jhts/33/3/33_142/_article. You will need to be able to read Japanese, but at least it's the actual research.
Setting aside the fact that a journal being more or less "authoritative" doesn't add nor subtract anything to the experiment itself , you are correct when saying it's quite a journal in Italy.
In Italy, in which an university professor of mathematics publicly pointed out that some articles published on the paper don't report factual lies, but they don't necessarily tell the whole story as well or report it very accurately.
Particularly, when it comes to articles that may or may not suggest some people to invest in privately owned pension funds, a good faith omission may quickly turn into a financial disaster for the little investor.
Nobody is saying that anybody is being paid or rewarded for emphasizing only some aspect of reality and not others, not at all! That would be so unethical that many of the prestigeous writers on IlSole would never sell out for money! Never, professionals don't sell their integrity for money.
http://newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo.htm
Maybe this can be a starting point!
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
.... new fusion overlords.
Perhaps they will humble the oil overlords.
... not the opinions.
No, you don't get Nobels for publishing Japanese cold fusion work in Italian economics journals. You don't get them from publishing any cold fusion work in any peer reviewed physics journal because they don't get published as such, for much the same reasons that make people claim absence of evidence is evidence of absence even though the evidence was only absent in some of the replications. You do, however, publish articles about Japanese cold fusion work in an Italian economics journal when a Japanese company is building cold fusion equipment in an Italian factory purchased from Fiat, said company having hired Pons and Fleischmann as design consultants.
Neutron flux is a sign of some fusion reactions, but not all. 2 * (1p + 1n) --> (2p + 2n): two deuterium go to one helium. The energy released is from the conversion of mass of two deuterium (2 * 2.014 = 4.028) into one helium (4.002). The difference (.026) is is given off as energy measured in ergs, calculated from the amount of mass "lost" in grams times the speed of light in a vacuum in centimeters per second times itself. The source of the energy is the release of binding energy in the nuclei; the binding energy required grows at a lesser rate than the number of nucleons. This is the mass difference stated in another way. The energy is this particular reaction comes.
And if cold fusion were as much a hoax as those educated by hearsay rather than science would have you believe, then you wouldn't have symposia on the subject at scientific conferences hosted by the selfsame journals that refuse the publish such articles unless they're written so speculatively as to seem almost fiction, and the phenonemon examined is called something else.
Regardless of the barriers caused by pathological disbelief masquerading as skepticism, or worse, education at the hands of the pathological disbelievers, over 3,000 articles peer reviewed articles on cold fusion have been published. Enough evidence has been accumulated to convince both the US Many and the US Dept. of Energy that the phenonenon is real, though inadequately understood, and deserved more investigation and funding.
Those who are so certain that cold fusion is bogus would probably be glad to know that once the bogus cold fusion reactors built at the bogus Fiat plant are primed they crank out 270 kiloboguswatts over 90 bogusdays with no additional input of energy.
Answer for yourself: if you had something important, but the mention of it made those who were the supposed experts in the field run screaming, just how would you go about bringing the knowledge out into the open without getting quashed? Through many different kinds of channels, a tiny bit at a time, which would by necessity mean some of the announcements would be of results and discoveries from some considerable time prior. The SETI people assert this is how alien contact and/or news of such would proceed and nobody blinks at that. Claim that this same process of being used on news of replicable tabletop physics and their eyes get stuck wide shut.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Pfhh Adobe had Cold Fusion years ahead of these guys. Cold Fusion
FRAUD? It has been known for more than 40 years, maybe much more, that putting Hydrogen or Deuterium into Platinum or Palladium causes some interesting effects. The metals absorb a huge amount of Hydrogen.
Apparently the only purpose for this that has ever been found, however, is confusing Slashdot editors.
There are a large number of people claiming to be "working" on cold fusion. No one has ever been able to demonstrate anything interesting.
However, there are also a lot of schemes to steal investor money. In my opinion, this is probably fraud, as others have been.
If one looks at the past research on palladium, there are many explanations for energy release, all chemical, none nuclear.
Using Occam's razor, it's a whole lot more likely this guy's results are due to well-known chemical reactions, not anything nuclear.
Nuclear reactions are easily discerned by the generation of Gamma rays and neutrons. The fact that these were not mentioned in the article suggests nothing exciting is going on.
"It is nice to know that the computer understands the problem. But I would like to understand it too." --Eugene Wigner
Governments wont allow that
Oh, please. We've heard the conspiracy nuts and snake-oil hucksters for years claiming that the government and the oil companies are suppressing breakthrough energy technologies, and it's complete bullshit.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I remember my college materials science professor telling me that hydrogen atoms can exist in the matrix of palladium metal at a density (naturally, number of hydrogen atoms per cc) higher than can ever be reached with pressure exerted on hydrogen gas. That reason makes me bet cold fusion could happen.
Don't worry, I'll get modded down once the U.S. Slashdotters start logging on. Americans whose great-great-grandparents came from Sicily will see me talking shit about "Italians" and think that I was talking about them.
Here is an unofficial translation by an .. I apologize for my English :)
Italian reader
Moreover, the article is very focused on
telling the amazing story and embellishing
it with Japanese stereotype. The "Sole 24 ore"
is a well reputed economical journal, but
it is nothing about technical.
Indeed, they miss any reference to the original
news.
The revenge of the Samurai.
Yoshiaki Arata, 85 years old is a Japanese Professor Emeritus,
a leading pioneer of the advanced nuclear program in Japan and one of the fathers of research about hot fusion.
He is a strong NATIONALIST (he speaks only Japanese in public),
awarded by the Emperor and has now won his 20 years long battle as a Samurai.
He never gave up about the topic [cold fusion] since 1989, when Fleishmann and Pons announced a possible "constrained" fusion of deuterium inside a palladium cathode.
[They use] lightweight molecules, made traveling by a moderate anode-to-cathode electron flux in the fluid towards
palladium exhagonal structures.
There, they collide, pushing over themselves and trapping them causing the spontaneous pressure to reach million of atmospheres,
and then breaking nucleus, producing heat and finally converting into Helium-4.
A genuine nuclear fusion, obtained without the need of the big, high energy toroids as Iter, just like it happens
in stars.
Instead, they needed just a bottle with a little "heavy water" (easy to find in nature), a rare metal and the
same electric power you need at home.
Without radiations and with the final production of a inert gas, helium, useful to fill balloons.
Too beautiful to be true. Fleishmann and Pons shocked the whole community but they never managed to reproduce an experiment that would have changed
the life of humanity , if not in a few, sporadic cases.
They were defined cheaters, pretenders, not scientific, together with their entourage, up to being marginalized by the scientific community.
But samurai Arata went straight along the line. Also because
since the fifties he was amazed by the deuterium supercompression technique,
due to anomalies that happened using certain metals. So he decided
to take another line of research while working on low-energy fusion, the
one of electro-chemic. By simply pushing the deuterium inside palladium
nanoparticles with more and more atmospheres, up to creating the
same "crowded" situation and pressure increase of that experiment.
Today [5/22/2008] he made a public demonstration of his reactor in
Osaka, moving a Stirling engine with a few grams of palladium.
The reactor has been partially realized using ideas of Francesco
Celani and his group at the National Institute for Nuclear Physics
(INFN) in Frascati: the second-ranked laboratory actively working on Arata's line.
In the next few days Arata will try to increase the amount from 7 to 60
grams of palladium, expecting hundreds of Watts in thermal power, that is,
enough for your house lights for months.
But the very outstanding news, given in front of a multitude of scientific
reporters, someone coming even from the USA, is to have proved the production,
inside palladium hexagons, of a non-neglegible quantity of Helium-4,
the sign of deuterium transmutation and nuclear fusion.
This resulted in the reporters' crowd started talking about the "Arata
Phenomenon", a term he kindly accepted taking a bow, just like an old Samurai.
This is a much better report of the same story: Arata-Zhang LENR Demonstration.
It's an old story, from February 2008. Quote: ' "The demonstrated live data looked just like data they reported in their published papers (J. High Temp. Soc. Jpn, Feb. and March issues, 2008)..." '
Quote: ' "Some people say we have reached the end of science, that there are no more great discoveries that remain. In my view, nature always has more secrets to reveal," Arata wrote.' My translation: "Please believe in this particular fantasy."
Apparently Slashdot editors don't do any research.
Here is the most recent article.
They did it: the first public experiment lead by
Yoshiaki Arata about condensed matter nuclear science,
also known as cold fusion, has been succesfull.
A few hours ago in the University of Osaka,
the realization of what has been named "Arata Phenomena"
has been performed in front of a very qualified crowd.
The test has been performed having Deuterium gas
disperded on a nanometric matrix structure of 7 grams,
partially composed (35%) by palladium and 65% zyrcon
oxide, at a pressure of 50 atmosphere, half the pressure
of a car washing water pump.
The heat, produced since the beginning of deuterium insertion,
powered a thermical engine.
After about 1 hour and a half the experiment has been
volountarly stopped to check for the presence of Helium-4.
No dangerous emissions have been recorded, as Helium-4 is
an inert gas. The energy created was around 100.000 Joules,
about what is needed to have 1 liter of water reach 25 Celsiuses
(take into account the tiny size of the matrix: 7 grams).
The helium quantity revealed to be consistent with
energy production and it certifies the fusion.
Beyond the measuremenet, a new era starts now, aimed to understand
the intrinsic behaviour that let the condensed matter generate. Such
behaviours seem to be inconstient with classic nuclear physics.
As of today, another delicate phase starts, towards repeating
the experiment with a larger amount of Palladium-Zyrcon (in order
to obtain further quantities of energy) and the extraction
of the helium from within the matrix without damaing it, so to reuse
the matrix.
I wasn't implying some conspiracy in the least.
Governments today heavily regulate what you can do with anything even remotely related to nuclear energy.
Just as they do with traditional fission plants, ( or even oil drilling/refineries ) they keep it regulated to the point the side effect is we don't have an over abundance of cheap energy.
Hell, they even restrict you making your own alcohol fuels at home.. So why would cold fusion power be any different?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
It might come to a surprise to you, but not all words come from english; eventually it's the other way round.
That's all great and interesting and all, and the other posts on etymology are interesting too, but you see, the thing is, the Slashdot article summary is written in English, for a primarily English speaking audience. In English, the word begins with an "H".
I'm all for respecting the languages of others, but the English word is spelled "Helium". Or, do we now get to use the spelling and pronunciation rules of whatever language we choose?
Putting moderation advice in your
The Conference on Cold Fusion (known as ConFusion) will be held in lorence, Italy. There will be a demonstration on a cold day in August.
Apparently the blog story was stolen from New Energy Times: Arata-Zhang LENR Demonstration, May 22, 2008
Yoshiaki Arata works for the Welding Research Institute of Osaka University. He is not a physicist, apparently.
Old story: He's been reporting this kind of thing since before October 13, 2006: A New Energy caused by "Spillover-Deuterium". Quote: "Intermittent operation over a period of two years using this structure proved the complete reproducibility of these results."
I hope no Slashdot reader invests in this. Would it be too much to ask Slashdot editor Scuttle Monkey to do a little research before he posts stories?
This is not the first complaint about Scuttle Monkey: Who is Scuttle Monkey?
...or any other target language, you should at least try to do a proper and complete job of it, not a half-assed job, else you risk presenting yourself as only partially literate and perhaps less than knowledgeable about whatever it is that you're trying to write.
"It may not be "cold fusion" but they have proof of excess heat and other signs of nuclear process."
..."
"Excess heat" is not a sign of nuclear fusion. It is a sign of something that has been known for more than 40 years, that Platinum and Palladium absorb Hydrogen, and sometimes heat is generated when experimenting with that.
Wikipedia: Palladium. Quote: "Incredibly, when palladium is at room temperature and atmospheric pressure, it can absorb up to 900 times its own volume of hydrogen,
The people who "demonstrate" "cold fusion" never seem to be physicists. This Slashdot story is about someone who works for the Welding Research Institute at Osaka University.
Typical molecular binding energies are on the order of electron volts. The energy barrier hydrogen isotopes must overcome to fuse is on the order of 10000 electron volts. While there are ways to reduce this barrier, simply putting the atoms in a crystal lattice seem unlikely, given that the electrostatic forces needed to overcome the barrier would tear apart the atoms of every known material.
One method of cold fusion which does work is to inject muons into the sample. Muons are like electrons, but significantly heavier. Their negative charge in combination with their large mass causes the nuclei of Deuterium molecules to move close enough to one another that quantum tunneling becomes a strong possibility and the nuclei eventually fuse. Unfortunately you lose a lot of muons either through radioactive decay ( muons are radioactive ) or because they get trapped by the positively charged helium nucleus produced. Consequentially you end up spending more energy to produce the muons than the fusion reaction produces.
Finally I like to add that achieving fusion is not very hard. The potentials required are only a few thousand volts, and desktop neutron sources based on fusion reactions have been available for decades. Heck, it is simple enough that hobbyists have built their own fusion devices. The difficulty is to get the fusion reaction to produce more energy than you need to sustain it.
You can download the english paper written about the experiment. It is very detailed. You could even try it
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchieste/documenti/Fusione_Fredda.pdf
There are a lot of other infos (mostly written in Italian) on this page:
http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchieste/19102006_rapporto41.asp
Also this site covers two researchers that transformed tungsten to gold and other elements:
http://www.ioriocirillo.com/ita/index.php
I hate to tell you this sparky but we do have a large amount of cheap energy. Not as cheap as it was just a few years ago but we do have a lot even now.
They restict you making alcohol fuels at home because you can drink it and they tax that a lot.
They don't at least in most places in the US restrict bio diesel or even cooking oil use.
Anyway cheap energy would be great and the goverment would love it.
You give me enough super cheap electricity and I will make you all the oil you want from water and air.
Not only that but I will make you all the fresh water you want as well.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
What the hell is that? Is it anything like dilithium crystals? I don't remember seeing it on a periodic table.
Are you sure? You might want to look at the data*.
In particular: "lifetime number of sexual partners was the best predictor of HSV-2 infection (Bassett et al., 1993)."
* (Warning: They did a Western blot test here, which I understand tends to have false negatives, in which case all of the numbers given in Table 2 are actually underestimates of the real prevalence.)
With this in mind, may I suggest the following revision: " I don't mind dating a girl that has been with everybody, as long as she had a good shower afterwards, and a full STD screening." There are still some things the screening can easily miss (e.g., warts -- they're often not visible to the naked eye), so screening doesn't completely "undo" the statistical significance of lots of partners, but it goes a long way.
(Don't buy the modern feminist bullshit. "Slut" is an insult for a reason: It's shorthand for "statistically more likely to unwittingly cause harm to subsequent sexual partners by spreading disease." Me, I don't call incurable infections "empowering." Feminists shouldn't trivialize themselves with this shit when they could be working to address substantive political and economic issues affecting women. But what do I know; I'm just using science.)
I don't consider the petroleum 'energy' market cheap or abundant.
We do have other sources that COULD be cheap and are abundant, but currently i wouldn't consider them cheap either.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Just like in MMORPGSs - Screenies or we call BS!
wtf is "they seems to"?
They're using their grammar skills there.
The only thing these videos bring to the table are constant allegations of conspiracy theories. These do not qualify as evidence worth considering before passing judgment. They are merely pop science.
Tell me, if all of this was immediately confirmed and replicated across the world, why haven't I heard of it? I'd expect better evidence to the contrary than an episode of a tv series on the paranormal.
You sound pretty confident, but the first link you included says Yoshiaki Arata is a distinguished japanese physicist. There is also an article on wikipedia about him... says the same...
This link also says he has been nominated for a life member of the International Society for Condensed Matter Nuclear Science.
Now I am really confused... can you provide more details on him being a welder and not a physicist?
Yes, yes! Energy is fantastically cheap, even now! Three cheers for the West Virginia coal mines!
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Italy stopped building new nuclear reactors 20 years ago, after a referendum following the Chernobyl accident.
Now the government is planning to build new nuclear reactors.
Perhaps, if atomic energy looked more more promising than it really is, the decision would be easier to sell to the public?
The Conference on Cold Fusion (known as ConFusion)
At least it reflects the subject matter.
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/index.htm
Cold fusion seems to have been hounded out of respectability essentially by the purveyors of other energy products. It is an old saying that: "It is an ill wind that blows no one any good!". It does not take a genius to see that the oil industry is entrenched in western states, as even if little oil is produced there there is most likely heavy oil, oil sand, shale oil, bituminous coal or anthracite coal..not to mention geothermal resources around Yellowstone's presently inactive supervolcanic caldera. The dead hand of that industry certainly benefited from all the hitherto unknown patho-skeptics that seem to crawl out from under rocks, slither out of the very woodwork of society to deride, derail, and character assassinate two men who up to then had been 'esteemed colleagues and friends'. Pons and Fleischmann had hard times career wise for years afterward. The idea that they brought to light has never died, however, notwithstanding the vitriol showered on it. Now we have a Chinese academician and a Japanese scientist who advertise a public demonstration after a public lecture at a university in Osaka, Japan. Then they give the demonstration and it works! This means that they knew that it would work. It is repeatable! The oil industry has no influence over China or Japan. Now lets see it get suppressed again. My money says that it will not.
Who the hell wrote this? Who the hell should have edited it?
"Anyway cheap energy would be great and the goverment would love it.
.001% of the energy output by this massive, massive source of free energy. Despite the distance, we receive more than enough energy from this source, to power every biological form of life on the planet earth!
;)
You give me enough super cheap electricity and I will make you all the oil you want from water and air."
No problem sir, I have a very reliable source of cheap energy, you might even say 'free' energy, there is a slight problem, in that it is 92,955,887.6 miles away. on the plus side, we are currently only receiving far, far less than
just imagine a dyson sphere, around such a massive massive power source
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
I'd be rather skeptical of this... but how do we explain the production of Helium? Forget thermal energies, easily forged watts measurements, and the like.
In other words... if he really is injecting H and getting He, then what other explanation is there?
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
Could you post that link again? There was a mistake.
http://newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo.htm
With some photos!
sausages lol :P
It doesn't matter what "orientation" the hydrogen atoms have. What matters is the distance between them. The strong nuclear force, which is what pulls protons together to fuse and make helium (and release loads of energy) has an incredibly short range, roughly 100,000 time smaller than the size of a hydrogen atom. Unless you can get the protons this close, they do not feel the strong force, and they cannot possible fuse.
The difficulty with getting them that close together is, of course, the fact that they strongly repel each other because they're both positively charged. The potential energy of two protons almost close enough to feel the strong force is roughly equal to the kinetic energy per particle in a gas at temperature of a million degrees or so.
That is, it requires a staggeringly huge force to push protons close enough, against their mutual electrostatic repulsion, for them to finally feel the strong force and fuse. This force hugely exceeds that available in chemical bonds of any type, in any arrangement. You can get that force by raising the temperature to a million degrees, which increase the momentum of the protons so much that they supply the force themselves, when they crash into each other. But any material at all would fracture, vaporize, disintegrate long before it supply that kind of force. Which means pretty much any kind of cold fusion that depends on solid-state material properties is impossible. It's all bullshit, the usual magic catalysis/perpetual-motion kind of scam.
There are ways to get fusion going at lower temperatures, the most interesting of which is to catalyze it with muons. Google muon-catalyzed fusion for more info.
When I read the title the first thing I thought was that they got ColdFusion markup language to work... I dont know which would be more newsworthy.
Interesting. It says, "... created on May 8, 2003...", 5 years ago.
Really?
At can you not get as much as you want? What about electricity? energy is still very cheap when you look at how much you can for how little real effort compared to the rest of human history.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
Golly, of course it is. The repulsive electrostatic force between protons at the range where the strong nuclear force finally takes over and causes fusion is enormous, and you need a huge amount of energy per proton to overcome that.
I only have any second hand knowledge of one auto/oil industry conspiracy theory. I know someone who saw La Force's workshop back in the 70s, there along with engineers from the auto industry. The stock leaded gas engines ran clean enough to run in a closed workshop without exhaust vents, improved mileage and power made a stock v4 feel like a v8 while driving, and ran cool to the touch. After long discussions and viewing, the tech was not invested into as the Big 3 had just thrown their weight - and production lines - behind catalytic converters.
I don't think it was a case of hiding technology, more of bad timing and personality issues. La Force was a chain smoker and had a full time employee who's only job was to light a cigarette when his last was done with. That sort of personality would be hard to work with at the best of times!
La Force also stated that his patents had left off crucial bits, enough to be patented but not enough to be duplicated which is a shame - if he had really created technology that good it'd be out of patent by now. (I can't find the patent numbers offhand by a search)
So while I wouldn't doubt that the Oil industry would work to either buy up, or work to suppress technology that hurts their industry - that's what any business does - I also don't doubt that miraculous inventions are rare. Further inventors who lock themselves in a workshop may indeed be geniuses but have no business acumens to actually figure out how to sell or market their product.
Yeah, or dropout brothers who own bicycle repair shops claiming to have built heavier-than-air flying machines. Ridiculous!
Eric Baird
Since the exact physics of the supposed effect is unknown, being a nuclear physicist might not give one an automatic advantage.
Perhaps what's more important is that the experimenters know palladium, palladium alloy structures, palladium chemistry and palladium surface chemistry inside-out, so that they can rule out known effects. Perhaps we want the guys conducting these sorts of tests to be highly-trained electrochemists rather than physicists.
So, where would one find experts in electrode chemistry and metallic microstructure, with research experience in metals electrochemistry?
Perhaps ... at a welding research institute?
Just sayin' ...
Eric Baird
Einstein had extensive education in physics before and during the time he was employed as a patent clerk. Your attempt to cite him as an "outsider" to the physics world is quite disingenuous.
Why wouldn't a welding research institute employ physicists? Welders do move a lot of elementary particles around.
Do not mock my vision of impractical footwear
My interpretation of the article:
The first word in the original title is "Nucleare" (Nuclear) and this is the word which remains in the readers' minds. In Italy we have a newly elected government (the prime minister happens to be a media tycoon) which is in favour of nuclear energy (which had been ruled out by a referendum a long time ago). In my opinion getting the word "Nuclear" in the headlines is a way of building consensus on this topic (Il Sole 24 Ore typically supports whatever process contributes to an increased flow of capital and the government claims to have plans to build 10 to 20 1000MW power plants in the next 10 years) and this might be the reason why a little-known, little-publishing group of japanese scientists gets the headlines. Average readers do not know the difference between fission and fusion (cold or hot) anyway and what remains is "Nucleare".
Obviously I may be just a suspicious, environmentalist, communist, Hitalian...
ps: my only reason for being against a major use of nuclear power in my country is that the typical italian solution for the nuclear waste processing and long term storage is: "send it abroad like we do with Naples garbage".
Good point.
However, someone has to understand the fundamental physics. People have been playing with platinum or palladium and hydrogen for many years, and everyone is able to demonstrate that something unusual happens sometimes, but no one is able to make their experiments reproducible. That's what I understand.
So, sooner or later a physicists and mathematicians must be involved.
To me, what is VERY important is that the researcher has been working with palladium and hydrogen since before 2006, and his experiments are still not reliable. It seems like playing, to me.
He is only documenting that he is not able to demonstrate anything reliably, like everyone else. It's just playing.
Apparently you 'aven't spent a lot of time talking to Merkans lately. :) Back in the '80s, there was an advertising campaign run by Burger King about some guy named "Herb", which is notable because that's the only case in Usia where the "H" is pronounced. The word for tasty plants is "H"-less when spoken.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
Very interesting comments.
... Which demonstrates your point about the drift of language depending on distance.
You said, "... even today Spanish speakers can understand Portuguese with a bit of practice and effort..."
It's actually more true the opposite way. Portuguese speakers have little trouble understanding Spanish. For Spanish speakers, understanding Portuguese is difficult because there is so much French influence.
When i readed this, a nano matrix of crystals, remembered me the experiment to generate 2 entangled photons (a special crystal matrix that generate 2 zones of 50% of probability of a photon)... ummm
Wanna bet.. Governments wont allow that.
The upcoming energy crisis will force some of the
governments overseas to pursue this further.
I am thinking Japan, China, India who all have
bright scientists, and some are involved in the
research going forward.
The US Navy also paid for this experiment:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2843914499166355574&q=spawar&ei=gus5SPnZGoXw4QKq2vXlAw&hl=en
And it paid off.
google "32 trillion offshore needs IRS attention"
Thanks Futurepower for pointing out the source of Scuttle Monkey's "story." I wish to point out that we did not run this as a "successful cold fusion experiment," nor did we intend to allude to such. It's time for everybody - proponents and opponents alike - to distinguish between evidence for fusion and evidence for nuclear reactions. Steven B. Krivit Editor, New Energy Times
Steven,
This whole issue of Platinum and Palladium interacting with Hydrogen needs to be handled in a more professional manner.
People are being encouraged to believe things that are not true. Labs have been demonstrating these things for years, and they have never, as far as I know, been able to build reliable experiments or understand the physics. They don't even seem to try to understand the physics.
If I am wrong, write a good synopsis of what is known, publish it on your web site, and I will submit it to Slashdot as a story, or someone else could do that.
Stories that exaggerate the work, or cause people to have exaggerated ideas, make your job far, far more difficult.
I would say more, but at present your web site is not functioning, so I can't look at the web page again.
MOD PARENT UP!
Thanks for commenting. It's good that you took the time to help others understand.
This story about the same researcher mentioned in the Slashdot story is far more sensible: Cold-fusion demonstration "a success".
For who thinks it's strange that an italian newspaper reported this story before the japanese press did, I inform you, actually in italy is goin on a big debate about starting to build nuclear power plants.
.. italian industrial system seems to want push the interest of the people toward the topic of nuclear power generation.
-> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/world/europe/23nuke.html
IlSole24Ore newspaper is the press organ of 'Confindustria', the italian Industrials Confederation.
So do 1+1
So, why don't publish this story and give it so much emphasis ?
As far i readed throu this years, a lot of experiments of this kind has been done around the world, also within italy itself (see experiments and publications of ENEA and CNR or this italian video: http://video.google.it/videoplay?docid=-5356420904938952524 ), but noone seemed to care.
By now, at least in Italy, is the best time to feed people with these news.
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Sorry for my dirty english.
Greets,
Marco
Choice you do not get, English must you speak.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."