The difference is that nobody is proposing that we start teaching children how to build and maintain a washer, dryer, or microwave at the age of six.
Why not? I took apart my first dryer at the age of 3. I pointed to parts of it and asked my dad what they were; he explained. Kids aren't dumb; I understood. I'm a better person for it.
The guy above you criticizes what I said as "the most stupid thing he ever read" and I don't blame him - for he has no idea what kind of psychological pressure a 6-year old can have especially when the grown ups want them to do this, do that, and expect them to do it perfectly
Why would a sane "grown up" expect a kid to be a perfect programmer? That doesn't make any sense. I'll second the guy who says your comment was the stupidest thing he's ever read. Sorry, it's an asshole thing to say, but I really don't get your idea that teaching a kid to program at 6 is somehow going to warp his mind. You seem to be under the impression that kids are stupid. Actually, they're brilliant because they aren't already pre-programmed with years of bullshit.
You don't have to "prepare" them for years for them to get what programming is about and get started with it. I taught myself BASIC at age 8. I didn't know exactly what I was doing, but then again it's 20 years later and I'm only now getting to where I fully understand programming. Until you can go down to the lambda calculus level and beyond I don't think you fully understand it either. Relax and let the kids do what they're best at: learn.
A lot of people who own small businesses work longer hours and still only make a middle-class existence.
The difference is, it's entirely within their control how much they work and how much money they make.
Plus, they assume the risk.
Depending on a faceless corporation isn't risky?
Granted, they get to do what they love, but owning a business often leads to bankruptcy or scraping by.
Sure, if you don't know what the hell you're doing, and don't make any attempt to improve and learn. I'll take "scraping by" over being a collared slave any day.
OK, not everyone will succeed. In fact, the vast majority will fail. So, in your dream society there's a little bunch of successful business men and a vast majority of frustrated, miserable losers who hate what they do because they all wanted to be business men. And they receive shit pay because they have "failed". Can't you see a systemic problem with this model?
Sure I can: the problem is you just made it up and pulled it out of your ass. Unlike you, I've actually been to other countries where self sufficiency isn't looked down upon as some sort of sin. Example: Afghanistan. Yes, everyone there can be a businessman, or they can starve. The choice is not difficult. Being a businessman doesn't have to involve running a Fortune 500 company; it can a simple one man craft shop. The difference is you work at your own pace instead of your life being dictated by the clock and the whip.
I tell them how they can in fact develop on an iPad.
You call that not an answer. Hmm.
Yes, I do too, because your "answer" is irrelevant. When the default is for a device to be locked up and you have to hack it (i.e. defeat security mechanisms put in place by the manufacturers who are trying to stop you)....
FUCK
That's the point.
We're totally happy that you have found a way to circumvent those mechanisms and accomplish something for yourself and your close knit circle of friends. The rest of us want devices that we don't have to break into just to have the privilege of programming.
Android fans: your OS is shit, so don't slide into the room with a big grin and arms wide open claiming you're the answer.
Disclaimer: the only "smart" phone I have ever owned is an HTC Sensation. Will never buy Apple products, not because they are good quality (they are exceptional), but because I refuse slavery.
When I polled students (anonymously) if they would rather have the opportunity to resubmit for a higher grade and have assignments graded instantly or have textbooks that were $80 cheaper, they prefered the access code.
Next time try polling smart people instead of morons.
"We asked the slaves if they preferred yokes around their neck or just a 100kV electric fence around the plantation. They all agreed they'd rather have the electric fence"
One of the ways to do that is to have feds provide the service itself. Strong vigilance is needed to keep the feds in line, revoke their power when they abuse it (this is where the general public fails miserably), but on the whole they are very much needed to ensure that those who take, give something back.
LOL
I think you should also hire a fox to hire your henhouse. I hear their expertise on this matter is unmatched.
Wish every prof was like you. My gf is now taking a class where the professor requires them to take notes in the book. And the kicker? He also checks beforehand to make sure there aren't any notes written already.
What a fucktard.
Which means she has to spend $120 to buy a new one at the book store, instead of the.50c (+ $5 shipping) to get the same textbook, same edition from Amazon. Complete bullshit.
Actually.... you don't HAVE to do anything at all. You could just choose not to take that class, and not to participate in that scam.
Much of the rhetoric I have seen lately (which oddly enough seems to be branded as 'pro-entrepreneur".. then again the small business community has traditionally been a political sucker ) seems to be focusing on shutting down things that help people advance by people who have already benefited from it.
Your argument is a logical fallacy. Just because somebody benefited from something when they were young and naive does not logically preclude them from opposing it when they're older and wiser.
Which is worse, somebody who wants to end Social Security for good reasons, or somebody who wants to continue it so they can selfishly continue to benefit from others' labor?
Who decides there is a certain amount of wealth that each age group is supposed to have
We do. You know, the poor and starving underclass of America, which will soon decide it's tired of dying off in the gutters and being sent to prison for non-crimes while the rich jet around in their $150k sports cars on their way to get a $10k manicure.
Ok, so those in the 55+ demographic are the ones who started and built back in the 70's/80's many of the recognized companies that exist today and in doing so they made some good money.
They also failed to end Social Security and other worthless entitlement programs, spent spent spent, had wars, and basically dumped it all on us to repay. No, just because we have Apple now doesn't make things better.
Wonder what their incomes looked like 20-30 years ago when they were building their businesses (either as early employees of founders)? I'd be willing to guess their incomes were not much different (in 70's/80's dollars) to today's youth, but their standards of living were probably lower.
I'd be willing to bet their incomes were HIGHER and their standards of living were HIGHER. Back in the 1970s it didn't cost near as much to live as it does today.
So to the 18-35 crowd who hasn't made as much money I'd ask, where are the companies that you started? Where are the years of hard work you put in building wealth?
I'm still working on it. When I'm done, I'll be the one writing the history books..... and YOU and your selfish peers are not getting a favorable review.
I am merely talking about what "natural" means, which is important if we're going to talk about nature. Without splitting hairs into meaningless word games,
I agree that meaningful breaks are important, but WHY does it have to be a three month long break? My cousin's son goes to a private school that takes a month off for winter break (usually starting after the first week of December), six weeks off for Summer (usually centered on July), and one week off for Spring and Fall breaks. I've always thought that was a great idea, any reason it isn't implemented in more places?
Because when you have centralized control over something, i.e. education, the standards always settle on the lowest common denominator. All the various small school districts would love to do things differently, but they can't, because they're forced into one way of doing things by law.
Not when your goal is to train up kids to be drones, ready and willing to fall in line and slave away 80 hour work weeks to make their employer rich. That's why they don't teach critical thinking skills or financial education either.
Sounds more like an argument for minimum 4 weeks a year paid leave, like the rest of the world has, or maybe more. 8 weeks paid leave, and you can have your summer every year and not lose your job for it.
No, it's more like an argument for teaching kids how to be self-sufficient, so they can create their own jobs and vacation as long as they like. More government control over the private sector is NOT the solution to ANY problems we face today.
We can't talk about the single major factor in the deteriorating education system in this country. Teachers Unions. How was it we successfully educated generations of students prior to the unions and now we consistently produce students which can barely read, write, and spell.
Or even use proper punctuation! It has nothing to do with teacher's unions, and everything to do with our corporate-designed, bought, and paid for school system. It's built for no other purpose than to raise up worker drones. Teachers deciding to unionize changed nothing.
Our school system is fucked beyond belief. It currently serves no other purpose than to raise up obedient little worker drones. And you want to expose them to more of that?
But you'd still not be getting the whole story there. Linux's in-kernel driver ABI is not stable, meaning that manufacturers can't merely drop a driver installer into a CD and distribute it with the hardware. On the other hand, most run-of-the-mill hardware is supported without a stable driver ABI, because those drivers live inside the kernel itself. I've rarely had any problems with Linux SATA support, for example, because most decent ATA/SATA drivers are in the kernel tree...
It hits companies like nVidia that don't want to release any (or rather, enough) specifications for the kernel devs to make and maintain their own drivers. In other words, blame the hardware manufacturers.
The external ABI of the kernel is remarkably stable. As Linus and Alan Cox say in the article, you can run a binary made in 1992 on a modern kernel. In 1992, Windows was still DOS, meaning that anything built then was 16 bit, which is unsupported on Win7, and Mac ran one of OS 1 thru 9 (don't ask me which), which worked through an emulator for the last few years, and now even that's gone!
So basically, the kernel developers have concentrated on what's irrelevant, at the expense of what's important. Got it.
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Thanks, now maybe I can finally get this network driver to compi
The difference is that nobody is proposing that we start teaching children how to build and maintain a washer, dryer, or microwave at the age of six.
Why not? I took apart my first dryer at the age of 3. I pointed to parts of it and asked my dad what they were; he explained. Kids aren't dumb; I understood. I'm a better person for it.
The guy above you criticizes what I said as "the most stupid thing he ever read" and I don't blame him - for he has no idea what kind of psychological pressure a 6-year old can have especially when the grown ups want them to do this, do that, and expect them to do it perfectly
Why would a sane "grown up" expect a kid to be a perfect programmer? That doesn't make any sense. I'll second the guy who says your comment was the stupidest thing he's ever read. Sorry, it's an asshole thing to say, but I really don't get your idea that teaching a kid to program at 6 is somehow going to warp his mind. You seem to be under the impression that kids are stupid. Actually, they're brilliant because they aren't already pre-programmed with years of bullshit.
You don't have to "prepare" them for years for them to get what programming is about and get started with it. I taught myself BASIC at age 8. I didn't know exactly what I was doing, but then again it's 20 years later and I'm only now getting to where I fully understand programming. Until you can go down to the lambda calculus level and beyond I don't think you fully understand it either. Relax and let the kids do what they're best at: learn.
A lot of people who own small businesses work longer hours and still only make a middle-class existence.
The difference is, it's entirely within their control how much they work and how much money they make.
Plus, they assume the risk.
Depending on a faceless corporation isn't risky?
Granted, they get to do what they love, but owning a business often leads to bankruptcy or scraping by.
Sure, if you don't know what the hell you're doing, and don't make any attempt to improve and learn. I'll take "scraping by" over being a collared slave any day.
OK, not everyone will succeed. In fact, the vast majority will fail. So, in your dream society there's a little bunch of successful business men and a vast majority of frustrated, miserable losers who hate what they do because they all wanted to be business men. And they receive shit pay because they have "failed". Can't you see a systemic problem with this model?
Sure I can: the problem is you just made it up and pulled it out of your ass. Unlike you, I've actually been to other countries where self sufficiency isn't looked down upon as some sort of sin. Example: Afghanistan. Yes, everyone there can be a businessman, or they can starve. The choice is not difficult. Being a businessman doesn't have to involve running a Fortune 500 company; it can a simple one man craft shop. The difference is you work at your own pace instead of your life being dictated by the clock and the whip.
Someone says "You cannot develop on an iPad".
I tell them how they can in fact develop on an iPad.
You call that not an answer. Hmm.
Yes, I do too, because your "answer" is irrelevant. When the default is for a device to be locked up and you have to hack it (i.e. defeat security mechanisms put in place by the manufacturers who are trying to stop you)....
FUCK
That's the point.
We're totally happy that you have found a way to circumvent those mechanisms and accomplish something for yourself and your close knit circle of friends. The rest of us want devices that we don't have to break into just to have the privilege of programming.
Android fans: your OS is shit, so don't slide into the room with a big grin and arms wide open claiming you're the answer.
Disclaimer: the only "smart" phone I have ever owned is an HTC Sensation. Will never buy Apple products, not because they are good quality (they are exceptional), but because I refuse slavery.
If it is, how are you going to stop them?
Talk about using a counter-example which proves the point. The War on Drugs is just as evil (if not more so) than the FBI spying on people.
Yes, and it failed, predictably. (As was predicted.)
For certain values of two, sure.
This is true. Professors that use online homework because they do not want to bother are incredibly lazy in my opinion.
Of course. They are only following the example set by their masters: do as I say, not as I do.
When I polled students (anonymously) if they would rather have the opportunity to resubmit for a higher grade and have assignments graded instantly or have textbooks that were $80 cheaper, they prefered the access code.
Next time try polling smart people instead of morons.
"We asked the slaves if they preferred yokes around their neck or just a 100kV electric fence around the plantation. They all agreed they'd rather have the electric fence"
One of the ways to do that is to have feds provide the service itself. Strong vigilance is needed to keep the feds in line, revoke their power when they abuse it (this is where the general public fails miserably), but on the whole they are very much needed to ensure that those who take, give something back.
LOL
I think you should also hire a fox to hire your henhouse. I hear their expertise on this matter is unmatched.
Wish every prof was like you. My gf is now taking a class where the professor requires them to take notes in the book. And the kicker? He also checks beforehand to make sure there aren't any notes written already.
What a fucktard.
Which means she has to spend $120 to buy a new one at the book store, instead of the .50c (+ $5 shipping) to get the same textbook, same edition from Amazon. Complete bullshit.
Actually.... you don't HAVE to do anything at all. You could just choose not to take that class, and not to participate in that scam.
Much of the rhetoric I have seen lately (which oddly enough seems to be branded as 'pro-entrepreneur".. then again the small business community has traditionally been a political sucker ) seems to be focusing on shutting down things that help people advance by people who have already benefited from it.
Your argument is a logical fallacy. Just because somebody benefited from something when they were young and naive does not logically preclude them from opposing it when they're older and wiser.
Which is worse, somebody who wants to end Social Security for good reasons, or somebody who wants to continue it so they can selfishly continue to benefit from others' labor?
Who decides there is a certain amount of wealth that each age group is supposed to have
We do. You know, the poor and starving underclass of America, which will soon decide it's tired of dying off in the gutters and being sent to prison for non-crimes while the rich jet around in their $150k sports cars on their way to get a $10k manicure.
Ok, so those in the 55+ demographic are the ones who started and built back in the 70's/80's many of the recognized companies that exist today and in doing so they made some good money.
They also failed to end Social Security and other worthless entitlement programs, spent spent spent, had wars, and basically dumped it all on us to repay. No, just because we have Apple now doesn't make things better.
Wonder what their incomes looked like 20-30 years ago when they were building their businesses (either as early employees of founders)? I'd be willing to guess their incomes were not much different (in 70's/80's dollars) to today's youth, but their standards of living were probably lower.
I'd be willing to bet their incomes were HIGHER and their standards of living were HIGHER. Back in the 1970s it didn't cost near as much to live as it does today.
So to the 18-35 crowd who hasn't made as much money I'd ask, where are the companies that you started? Where are the years of hard work you put in building wealth?
I'm still working on it. When I'm done, I'll be the one writing the history books..... and YOU and your selfish peers are not getting a favorable review.
I am merely talking about what "natural" means, which is important if we're going to talk about nature. Without splitting hairs into meaningless word games,
It's too late for that.
I agree that meaningful breaks are important, but WHY does it have to be a three month long break? My cousin's son goes to a private school that takes a month off for winter break (usually starting after the first week of December), six weeks off for Summer (usually centered on July), and one week off for Spring and Fall breaks. I've always thought that was a great idea, any reason it isn't implemented in more places?
Because when you have centralized control over something, i.e. education, the standards always settle on the lowest common denominator. All the various small school districts would love to do things differently, but they can't, because they're forced into one way of doing things by law.
Saturday school? Seriously? Is nothing sacred?
Not when your goal is to train up kids to be drones, ready and willing to fall in line and slave away 80 hour work weeks to make their employer rich. That's why they don't teach critical thinking skills or financial education either.
Sounds more like an argument for minimum 4 weeks a year paid leave, like the rest of the world has, or maybe more. 8 weeks paid leave, and you can have your summer every year and not lose your job for it.
No, it's more like an argument for teaching kids how to be self-sufficient, so they can create their own jobs and vacation as long as they like. More government control over the private sector is NOT the solution to ANY problems we face today.
Much of the time in school is a complete waste. All school sports are a waste, and a distraction
Stopped reading
We can't talk about the single major factor in the deteriorating education system in this country. Teachers Unions. How was it we successfully educated generations of students prior to the unions and now we consistently produce students which can barely read, write, and spell.
Or even use proper punctuation! It has nothing to do with teacher's unions, and everything to do with our corporate-designed, bought, and paid for school system. It's built for no other purpose than to raise up worker drones. Teachers deciding to unionize changed nothing.
Wrong.
No, you're wrong.
Our school system is fucked beyond belief. It currently serves no other purpose than to raise up obedient little worker drones. And you want to expose them to more of that?
But you'd still not be getting the whole story there. Linux's in-kernel driver ABI is not stable, meaning that manufacturers can't merely drop a driver installer into a CD and distribute it with the hardware. On the other hand, most run-of-the-mill hardware is supported without a stable driver ABI, because those drivers live inside the kernel itself. I've rarely had any problems with Linux SATA support, for example, because most decent ATA/SATA drivers are in the kernel tree...
It hits companies like nVidia that don't want to release any (or rather, enough) specifications for the kernel devs to make and maintain their own drivers. In other words, blame the hardware manufacturers.
The external ABI of the kernel is remarkably stable. As Linus and Alan Cox say in the article, you can run a binary made in 1992 on a modern kernel. In 1992, Windows was still DOS, meaning that anything built then was 16 bit, which is unsupported on Win7, and Mac ran one of OS 1 thru 9 (don't ask me which), which worked through an emulator for the last few years, and now even that's gone!
So basically, the kernel developers have concentrated on what's irrelevant, at the expense of what's important. Got it.
I'm happy for you. For me, the continued incompetency of Linux devs has pushed me elsewhere. I'll continue using Windows 7, thanks.