He does indeed seem like a nice guy, but also one who has a tendency to put words into mouths.
I have used python and perl for a number of years now, I prefer python - I prefer the clearer syntax and I also feel more relaxed about implementing large projects in python over perl for the ease of readability and maintenance yesterday.
One thing I have never heard a real python programmer say is that there is only one way to do it. I find this to be one of the great myths about python. Any language always provides you with options, and Python gives me as many options as I could want. The argument that python only allows one way to do it is just rhetoric, if you feel that way, maybe the problem is either your understanding of the language is not up to par, or maybe you just can't think of alternatives. Sure there is only one way to invoke a method (actually not true either, but let's pretend it is), but what is the point of having two different syntax notations that do the same thing? We don't say VB having three different ways to invoke a subroutine or function is a good idea...
I have found python to be an extremely flexible and imaginitive language in the past. I always indent my code, so the indentation based language blocks don't interfere with me at all. I can take a python module I have never seen before and have confidence that I can read the code for any of them without extra notes or docs - this is a claim that I definitely cannot make for perl modules which have in the past presented some very murky code for me to try and decipher.
So, are there really any firm examples of folks claiming that python only has one way to do stuff? If so, please provide examples. A consistent syntax is a positive in my view, and does not limit the flexibility of the language in any way. For example I can think of many inventive things that I would do to solve problems in python that will not work in Java (the language I am paid for) due to the language features being much more restrictive.
BTW - I am pretty laid back - not a real uptight type. I ride a VFR750 motorcycle, have a very untidy desk both at work and at home, am married and own two dogs. My blood pressure is pretty low - basically I ain't real uptight - I just like python better.
C++ - write it and hook it in via JNI VB - You wanna code in VB?!?!?!?! Python - run Jython (python 2.0 language on the Java VM) Also, check out Languages that run on the Java VM for a surprising number of languages (including basic) that already run on top of the Java VM, on any platform that supports java, hell - even the GUI works properly:-).
Python - a lot of scientists and engineers use it.
The value of python comes from the clarity and simplicity of the language, meaning it is much easier to concentrate on the problem than the language. It also has a first class object model, and yes - it is just as happy in the functional or structural programming model as the object oriented one.
Also in answer to the main question, yes the examples you are giving are too small, but combine 10 such filters into a workflow of data processing and you might start to see some of the value of object-orientation. As the richness of data-sets increases, and the complexity of the algorithms to work on them increases, object-orientation is a way of staying on top of the complexity. It is also more of a "simulation" approach to breaking down the problem, think of a real world solution and simulate it - it is no accident that smalltalk (one of the early O-O languages and still one of the best) evolved from the language simula.
A little while ago. On a similar budget I did a lot of looking around for a good solid amp and the best speakers for the money that I could find. One other constraint is that my wife does not like big ugly speakers (beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess:-).
I wanted a fairly future-resistant unit, and also wanted some good features. After hitting some of the online reviews sites, and just a buttload of research, I went with a technics amp (this was some time ago, so I think the model will have been updated, but technics do a range of class A amps with 6 channel direct input), and further for the speakers (the most important part) I selected the Mirage AVS 500 set.
The mirage AVS 500s (or the Energy Take 5's which are basically the same speaker) are just better sounding than the other speakers I heard with the same kind of form factor. They have a lovely neutral sound and good imaging. They can also bury 100 Watts each so you will have a tough time hurting them. There was little to choose between the Energy take 5's and the mirages, but in the end I went with the mirage because I liked the high frequency response better (a bit less in your face than the Energy's)
I suggest looking into the reviews sites out there and trying to match up what you want with products that generally review well. For example, ETown.com
might be worth a look. The link is to the Energy take 5's, not the mirage in this case, but they are very very similar. Another review of the Energy's is here
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He does indeed seem like a nice guy, but also one who has a tendency to put words into mouths.
I have used python and perl for a number of years now, I prefer python - I prefer the clearer syntax and I also feel more relaxed about implementing large projects in python over perl for the ease of readability and maintenance yesterday.
One thing I have never heard a real python programmer say is that there is only one way to do it. I find this to be one of the great myths about python. Any language always provides you with options, and Python gives me as many options as I could want. The argument that python only allows one way to do it is just rhetoric, if you feel that way, maybe the problem is either your understanding of the language is not up to par, or maybe you just can't think of alternatives. Sure there is only one way to invoke a method (actually not true either, but let's pretend it is), but what is the point of having two different syntax notations that do the same thing? We don't say VB having three different ways to invoke a subroutine or function is a good idea...
I have found python to be an extremely flexible and imaginitive language in the past. I always indent my code, so the indentation based language blocks don't interfere with me at all. I can take a python module I have never seen before and have confidence that I can read the code for any of them without extra notes or docs - this is a claim that I definitely cannot make for perl modules which have in the past presented some very murky code for me to try and decipher.
So, are there really any firm examples of folks claiming that python only has one way to do stuff? If so, please provide examples. A consistent syntax is a positive in my view, and does not limit the flexibility of the language in any way. For example I can think of many inventive things that I would do to solve problems in python that will not work in Java (the language I am paid for) due to the language features being much more restrictive.
BTW - I am pretty laid back - not a real uptight type. I ride a VFR750 motorcycle, have a very untidy desk both at work and at home, am married and own two dogs. My blood pressure is pretty low - basically I ain't real uptight - I just like python better.
Hey nevermind, please email me - my email address is dick@NOSPAMbldc.org (without the NOSPAM in it). Thanks and sorry all for the noise...
C++ - write it and hook it in via JNI :-).
VB - You wanna code in VB?!?!?!?!
Python - run Jython (python 2.0 language on the Java VM)
Also, check out Languages that run on the Java VM for a surprising number of languages (including basic) that already run on top of the Java VM, on any platform that supports java, hell - even the GUI works properly
Python - a lot of scientists and engineers use it.
The value of python comes from the clarity and simplicity of the language, meaning it is much easier to concentrate on the problem than the language. It also has a first class object model, and yes - it is just as happy in the functional or structural programming model as the object oriented one.
Also in answer to the main question, yes the examples you are giving are too small, but combine 10 such filters into a workflow of data processing and you might start to see some of the value of object-orientation. As the richness of data-sets increases, and the complexity of the algorithms to work on them increases, object-orientation is a way of staying on top of the complexity. It is also more of a "simulation" approach to breaking down the problem, think of a real world solution and simulate it - it is no accident that smalltalk (one of the early O-O languages and still one of the best) evolved from the language simula.
A little while ago. On a similar budget I did a lot of looking around for a good solid amp and the best speakers for the money that I could find. One other constraint is that my wife does not like big ugly speakers (beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess :-).
I wanted a fairly future-resistant unit, and also wanted some good features. After hitting some of the online reviews sites, and just a buttload of research, I went with a technics amp (this was some time ago, so I think the model will have been updated, but technics do a range of class A amps with 6 channel direct input), and further for the speakers (the most important part) I selected the Mirage AVS 500 set.
The mirage AVS 500s (or the Energy Take 5's which are basically the same speaker) are just better sounding than the other speakers I heard with the same kind of form factor. They have a lovely neutral sound and good imaging. They can also bury 100 Watts each so you will have a tough time hurting them. There was little to choose between the Energy take 5's and the mirages, but in the end I went with the mirage because I liked the high frequency response better (a bit less in your face than the Energy's)
I suggest looking into the reviews sites out there and trying to match up what you want with products that generally review well. For example, ETown.com might be worth a look. The link is to the Energy take 5's, not the mirage in this case, but they are very very similar. Another review of the Energy's is here
Hope that all helps
QuaintRcky