a slow cruel death. The world needs to start un-natuarally selecting the smarter of our species and your family gene pool clearly does not provide anything usefull to our species.
Oh while we have our tin-foil hats on lets not forget about the end times when Jesus comes back and beats us all down.
for Christs sake man so you really think that there will be no IT people in the future? Come on 4 years ago any jerk-off with an HTML book could make a $100,000 a year. The free market is simple working itself out. I feel bad for the programmers that are loosing their jobs, but if you could do something else besides programming then maybe you would still have a job. The barrier to entry for programming is about $1,000 (The cost of a computer). Any one can learn to program. Programming should simply be seen as a tool. Learn to focus that programming in a specific area...computational chemistry for example of computation biology as another and your chances of keeping a job...even better paying go way way up.
IT people will simple become the mechanics of the future...very important, but low skill. I am sorry but running a corporate IT department is not that tough of a job. Don't take offence just accept the reality..learn to push the limits.
"If we are going to maintain our innovation and creativity, we need quit whining about the loss of the pioneer world and figure out how to build a better complex society than anyone else."
interesting....seems you are the only one whinning abou the loss of the pioneer world.
Sorry pal....but as long as there are scientific aplications to solve there will be a need to write highly optimized code...Heck I wrote some inline assembly today. Yes we can ignore performance in some areas, but in high perfomance computing, speed is still king, and quite frankly always will be.
Programming and mathematical reasoning are one and the same. If you are good at math you have a good shot at being a good programmer. Yes you can be a good programmer without being good at math,but I would argue that you are a closet mathematician.
Math is nothing more than algorithms...programming is all about algorithms.
Thanks for a good well thought out post. I agree with you. It is sad when we lose our jobs and such but there is no god given right that americans have jobs. Just like we believe that others around the world should have our same rights and liberties.
First of all you are worth more than minumim wage. If that is all that is turning up by all means take it for now. Then my advice is to join an open source project and make some serious contributions. Show that you have the skills both from an employment gig and an open source environment....just my two cents
Why don't you wake up. If you want to support the sound card for mam and pop by all means knock yourself out. Mean while I will write the code that I want to write. I am pretty sure that I speak for quite a few open source people...get a clue man..we are not here to serve your needs or the needs of any one else. I don't care if you use linux...never have never will.
Hey I won't hold your math against you if you don't hold my spelling against me. I think that you are off on the bandwidth cost. T3 line is about 3000-12000 monthly. Now I know that if the service takes off you will need more....probably much more. First note that the cost of the equipment is for the most part a one time fee...soe don't worry about it so much....if you think that you can generate 1.1 million a month in revenue and I doubt that you would ever come close to spending a $100,000 on badnwidth. That leaves 900,000 a month to pay salaries and business loans. Heck man you would be profitable as hell.
P.s. I have not had my morning coffee so I am also sorry if my numbers come out wrong.
Actually I think that a service can make quite a bit of money at $0.10 a song. Why should the service ( read distribute) receive $.40 and the musician $.10. Hell it is the musicians creativity that is being robbed here. This is an easy business. The technology behind what apple is doing is trivial. chump change code. half the people on this site could write the code to do music downloads. The over head is fairly small...a building and some computers to do the serving. You could pull this operation off with 10-20 dedicatied geeks running the show and the $.10 cents a song would easily make you all very rich for the rest of you lives. Do buy into the big business crap. It doesn't take millions of dollars to pull this kinda operation off. Why am I not doing it you say. Dunno...Good question....back back later I need to go thing about some things.
Very good points indeed. And I agree that as scientists we build our careers on reputation...However I think that publishing should be independant of reputation. I think that you should have to try just as hard to get your 1000'th publication as you did for your first. I agree that your field is farily small and this might not in fact work, but it would be better than not at all. I am a computational chemist so I actually use they data you guy's put out all the time....BTW you guy's/gals (your field in general) do some really really nice work.
I also agree that it might be hard to build a system without any corruption, but hey we might as well try. I hope journals like elsavior (spelling...good thing I am not a writer) go they way of the doddo bird...pure gread driving those journals...Hell Harvard actuallky dropped them...any way I am going to stop before I get into a head long rant.
I think the quality is already lacking. People with established names can get published very easily...those without established names face an uphill battle. The system is already very corrupt. To make it truely fair we would need to remove all names and orginaztion information fro submitted manuscripts...only after they have been accepted would that information be added back in.
Wow do you really have any clue what you are talking about? You honestly don't understand why someone would choose C++ to develop a desktop? Or why people like QT? I am amazed. Are you living under a rock off the coast of bum-&*%$'ed Egypt or what? I suppose you would have us all write a desktop with pascal or fortran???? perhaps basic? Come on man...show a little compasion on your fellow developers and their opinions or at least make realistic points before blathering
Sorry but you are plain wrong...it the distros problem. Sun is under no obligation to include sun. And I am personally at about my breaking point with the distros on this issue
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Oh while we have our tin-foil hats on lets not forget about the end times when Jesus comes back and beats us all down.
for Christs sake man so you really think that there will be no IT people in the future? Come on 4 years ago any jerk-off with an HTML book could make a $100,000 a year. The free market is simple working itself out. I feel bad for the programmers that are loosing their jobs, but if you could do something else besides programming then maybe you would still have a job. The barrier to entry for programming is about $1,000 (The cost of a computer). Any one can learn to program. Programming should simply be seen as a tool. Learn to focus that programming in a specific area...computational chemistry for example of computation biology as another and your chances of keeping a job...even better paying go way way up.
IT people will simple become the mechanics of the future...very important, but low skill. I am sorry but running a corporate IT department is not that tough of a job. Don't take offence just accept the reality..learn to push the limits.
"If we are going to maintain our innovation and creativity, we need quit whining about the loss of the pioneer world and figure out how to build a better complex society than anyone else."
interesting....seems you are the only one whinning abou the loss of the pioneer world.
Not in your life time....besides your country will probably adopt our IP laws so that we give them business.
Sorry pal....but as long as there are scientific aplications to solve there will be a need to write highly optimized code...Heck I wrote some inline assembly today. Yes we can ignore performance in some areas, but in high perfomance computing, speed is still king, and quite frankly always will be.
Programming and mathematical reasoning are one and the same. If you are good at math you have a good shot at being a good programmer. Yes you can be a good programmer without being good at math,but I would argue that you are a closet mathematician.
Math is nothing more than algorithms...programming is all about algorithms.
Thanks for a good well thought out post. I agree with you. It is sad when we lose our jobs and such but there is no god given right that americans have jobs. Just like we believe that others around the world should have our same rights and liberties.
No I believe raising someone from the dead is easier than flooding the entire world...creating the universe..now that is a different story.
Let the rants begin.
First of all you are worth more than minumim wage. If that is all that is turning up by all means take it for now. Then my advice is to join an open source project and make some serious contributions. Show that you have the skills both from an employment gig and an open source environment....just my two cents
No you miss the point. It is not our goal to wake up to that. You want an app...pay me I will write it for you. Until then either:
a) Write it yourself
b) Wait for someelse to do it.
but for gods sakes man don't expect that we are out to serve your needs.
Why don't you wake up. If you want to support the sound card for mam and pop by all means knock yourself out. Mean while I will write the code that I want to write. I am pretty sure that I speak for quite a few open source people...get a clue man..we are not here to serve your needs or the needs of any one else. I don't care if you use linux...never have never will.
Yeah I agree. Once I tasted broadband there was no chance of ever gong back.
Hey I won't hold your math against you if you don't hold my spelling against me. I think that you are off on the bandwidth cost. T3 line is about 3000-12000 monthly. Now I know that if the service takes off you will need more....probably much more.
First note that the cost of the equipment is for the most part a one time fee...soe don't worry about it so much....if you think that you can generate 1.1 million a month in revenue and I doubt that you would ever come close to spending a $100,000 on badnwidth. That leaves 900,000 a month to pay salaries and business loans. Heck man you would be profitable as hell.
P.s. I have not had my morning coffee so I am also sorry if my numbers come out wrong.
Cheers
Actually I think that a service can make quite a bit of money at $0.10 a song. Why should the service ( read distribute) receive $.40 and the musician $.10. Hell it is the musicians creativity that is being robbed here. This is an easy business. The technology behind what apple is doing is trivial. chump change code. half the people on this site could write the code to do music downloads. The over head is fairly small...a building and some computers to do the serving. You could pull this operation off with 10-20 dedicatied geeks running the show and the $.10 cents a song would easily make you all very rich for the rest of you lives. Do buy into the big business crap. It doesn't take millions of dollars to pull this kinda operation off. Why am I not doing it you say. Dunno...Good question....back back later I need to go thing about some things.
"I continue to write free software in java because Java is sexy"
You have got to get out more!
Very good points indeed. And I agree that as scientists we build our careers on reputation...However I think that publishing should be independant of reputation. I think that you should have to try just as hard to get your 1000'th publication as you did for your first. I agree that your field is farily small and this might not in fact work, but it would be better than not at all. I am a computational chemist so I actually use they data you guy's put out all the time....BTW you guy's/gals (your field in general) do some really really nice work.
...good thing I am not a writer) go they way of the doddo bird...pure gread driving those journals...Hell Harvard actuallky dropped them...any way I am going to stop before I get into a head long rant.
I also agree that it might be hard to build a system without any corruption, but hey we might as well try. I hope journals like elsavior (spelling
I envy you guy's/gals. I am a computaional chemist in the pharma industry and I would love to do away with our archaic methods....
I think the quality is already lacking. People with established names can get published very easily...those without established names face an uphill battle. The system is already very corrupt. To make it truely fair we would need to remove all names and orginaztion information fro submitted manuscripts...only after they have been accepted would that information be added back in.
Yes
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Wow do you really have any clue what you are talking about? You honestly don't understand why someone would choose C++ to develop a desktop? Or why people like QT? I am amazed. Are you living under a rock off the coast of bum-&*%$'ed Egypt or what? I suppose you would have us all write a desktop with pascal or fortran???? perhaps basic? Come on man...show a little compasion on your fellow developers and their opinions or at least make realistic points before blathering
I declare Jihad on the parent poster!
Sorry but you are plain wrong...it the distros problem. Sun is under no obligation to include sun. And I am personally at about my breaking point with the distros on this issue