>> 99% of the world out there isn't gonna hack their Xbox
exactly. and that's why every single one of these articles is bunk. I'm getting tired of companies/industries continuous stream of "we know why we aren't filthy rich!!!! It's the pirates!"
It couldn't be that 1st world cultures are so inundated with such a variety of things to do, from theaters, dvd, cd, games via console, games via pc, games via handhelds, cell phones, satellite tv, cable tv, broadband/web surfing, monster truck events, rock concerts, bowling, sports, excercise, learning to play a musical instrument, studying, working, spending time with the family...yada yada yada.
the shit is endless.
just like most people thing Microsoft has a great reputation, most people don't warez, most people don't hack their anything.
the miniscule minority that do...well they were not going to spend the money in the first place.
this constant barrage of "it's your fault(general consumer) we're not making crap loads of money", is just creating ill will.
there's gonna be fewer and fewer homeruns in the entertainment industry....just a fact of our current culture.
>>There is a huge movement afoot to create marketshare for Linux
A conscience movement to increase marketshare? Perhaps in the minds of executives at Redhat, Novell and other commercial entities.
Ok, sure, all of us geeks would like to see linux more widely used. (well some of us anyway, I keep forgetting that slashdot has a lot of windows users, who may or may not care less)
But I don't think that market share as a goal, is a "movement" like you describe.
The marketshare is a side effect of passion. Passion is what countless thousands of developers, sysadmins and techies have for linux and opensource.
Microsoft on the other hand, had a single goal: to capture marketshare. If anyone's had a "movement to capture marketshare" it was definitely Microsoft. It worked quite well in hindsight.
No. I'd have to disagree with you and say that "marketshare" is not the movement. The movement is "doing it better", which if results in more marketshare...fantastic.
>>And why does a soccer mom want Office when she gets Works for free?
perhaps soccer mom is real estate agent or involved in some other business, and her clients or business associates are trading word and excel docs. Open Office would cut it, Microsoft Works would not.
>> STOP MENTIONING BLUE SCREENS! DUDES! That's so old!
why? they still happen. maybe not to you, but to others yes. and sure while your infamous bsod is rarer in xp, there's another phenomenon I've seen...that didn't used to happen with NT or 2k, and that's a "spontaneous abrupt reboot", that forces a file check.
>>And even if she did, OO has a Windows version. lol.
we're talking potential here. no one said linux is ready to be the perfect desktop TODAY.
what were talking about is what linux _can_be_.
Open Office on XP only solves a small fraction of the problems for your soccer mom. I know, I constantly fix systems for them.
After you install OO you think you are done? What are you gonna do about the spyware, adware, viruses, trojans, keyloggers, drive by installs, and software updates?
It's to the point that your average person has been so inundated with wizards, pop-ups, configuration prompts, etc...many are on the brink of defeat. They have no clue what the constant barrage means or whether it's a legit system prompt or not.
hence the user choking their pc to death with crapware. and poor configuration.
with all the variations in distros, i wouldn't be surprised to see a soccer mom distro. perhaps it's a live based one, you just boot it and work. maybe an online subscription will use any internet connection available to save documents to a central place. also to save preferences (almost like mounting your home directory remotely, or perhaps mirroring at the end of a session).
you'll never see that in windows. longhorn is destined to be the biggest windows yet.
I was looking at it from a more general viewpoint:
If I distribute (software using GPL code) to the public, regardless of how many middlemen or confounding distribution schemes I can come up with...if it's available via amazon.com, newegg.com or ebay...then it's public.
Seems pretty simple to me. If you take GPL code, use it in a product, you have to make the source available to the public. (Company Y only, does not equal the public, invalidating your claim "completely satisfied the GPL obligation")
In your example, it seems pretty clear to me that anyone who requests it, should legally be able to obtain a copy of the modified source from Company X.
Company X is entitled to charge a fair fee for materials...but that's it.
Your point number 3. is completely false.
The GPL is not satisfied at all. The source had to be made publicly available, not to just a 3rd party, as in your example.
despite your convoluted explanation it's quite simple.
NASA might be like a few of my users who wanted new computers.
A couple of my user's computers were older but still useable. But they explained to me how these old systems needed to be put out to pasture because couldn't get their work done(according to them). They really just wanted a shiny new toy...a new p4 or opteron system.
funny...both those computers had mysterious failures a few weeks later. hmmmmmm...
>>(in xp) You've got everything pretty much set with an unprivileged account.
That would be great if true. Unfortunately, anyone who has performed an XP PRO install, will notice that all the user accounts created using the XP installer are _all_ admin accounts.
and it's such an attractive spot to create initial user accounts...
Sometimes I feel like I'm bailing out an ocean, but I'm converting users one at a time. To non-geeks, it's starting to hit home, as to just how bad the crapware is getting. I do a little show and tell. "see this program (points to IE) - BAD!!!", "see this program (points to mozilla) - GOOD!!!". I of course give them a run down (in laymens terms) on how the sneaky stuff gets on their system, and how 99% comes from IE and Outlook Express. After that, all are more then willing to try something different. So on goes Moz!
One thing to remember is that it's very important that you setup Mozilla for them. Make sure the pop-up blocker is enabled. Also set it so that these things are disabled(unchecked):
-move or resize existing windows -raise or lower windows -hide status bar -change status bar text -change images
Finally. _warn_ _them_ , that Mozilla won't work on every single site. Tell them to fall back to IE on the few sites that don't work(with moz)... But that Mozilla should be first line of defense.
>>>I consider myself a hacker.(snip) Having a book that contains step by step hacks seems like reading a cookbook to become a chef. It just doesn't work that way.
So if I read this book, learn something, then combine it with my existing knowledge and come up with something slightly different or new?
imo, a real hacker would not rule out any potential source of information...a real hacker isn't quick to pigeon hole something either.
But you are right. In one sense, it seems all companys are cut throat and don't play fair, to some degree...So one might ask "why penalize microsoft for something that other companies are doing"
possible answer: Make an example out of them, i.e. I think the point of bitch slapping monopolies though, is to remind all the other corporations that there _are_ upper bounds to corporate shenanigans.
ha. I never said paper pushers are bad. or unneccesary!
I just found the parent poster going for the drama points, by creating a vision of a huge army of people handing out rice.
I knew that for every person out in the field, there had to be 10 or 20 back in the office. I did not state that this was out of the norm, and in fact stated that "any large organization".
After watching the video..I kind of sympathize with this guy..you can tell he truly believes in his right "not to be fucked with"...by anyone.
The cop was fairly reasonable and polite. The cowboy was moderately animated, moved around a bit, and refused to show his ID. I can see how the cop would definitely have his guard up.
It's a difficult line to draw. Both arguments seem reasonable. That's why it's "on the line".
Note: If you are planning on civil disobedience, disobey, and if at all possible, stay calm and state your case...then go to jail. Hiibel could have done a better job, if his goal was to make a point.
Hiibel is hoping the video will clear him. I've got to be candid and say that it's "borderline". In the video, Hiibel states: "i'm being cooperative"...but many people will look at his body language and decide that he really wasn't. Hiibel's wife isn't going to help either, she went off in the video, like a screeching hag. And nobody had touched her yet!
So if my business is building igloos, I can name my company: "Pluto's Igloos", and slap a logo of a Chihuahua on my equipment van, letterhead, and business cards?
I don't think so. I'm certain I'll be getting C&D letters from Disney.
Even if I lie and say that my intent was to name the company after the planet, I'd still be busted because of all the dog logos.
i just spent a weekend some good friends of mine, who are married.
The guy speaks cantonese, and the girl speaks mandarin. It's very interesting! They speak to each other using english, but when they speak to their respective parents, they use their native tongue. It's comforting to stand there and have one look as clueless as me, when the other is speaking their native language.
we watched Shaolin Soccer the other day as well, and one had to read the subtitles, while the other watched the movie normally! (I believe Shaolin Soccer is in cantonese...iirc)
anyway...i have a feeling that 300 years from now, english and mandarin will be the dominant languages.
but while sun is in it's death throes, they have an opportunity to stick one last dagger in the beast!
all right, drama aside...sun will probably opencource java 36 months from now....after Microsoft has already dominated with.net. it'll be far too late by then.
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>> 99% of the world out there isn't gonna hack their Xbox
exactly. and that's why every single one of these articles is bunk. I'm getting tired of companies/industries continuous stream of "we know why we aren't filthy rich!!!! It's the pirates!"
It couldn't be that 1st world cultures are so inundated with such a variety of things to do, from theaters, dvd, cd, games via console, games via pc, games via handhelds, cell phones, satellite tv, cable tv, broadband/web surfing, monster truck events, rock concerts, bowling, sports, excercise, learning to play a musical instrument, studying, working, spending time with the family...yada yada yada.
the shit is endless.
just like most people thing Microsoft has a great reputation, most people don't warez, most people don't hack their anything.
the miniscule minority that do...well they were not going to spend the money in the first place.
this constant barrage of "it's your fault(general consumer) we're not making crap loads of money", is just creating ill will.
there's gonna be fewer and fewer homeruns in the entertainment industry....just a fact of our current culture.
and low and behold, i wonder over to the inquirer...
"Windows NT4 remains highly popular"
The link at the Inq
I guess the parent is on to something. It's not about being afraid to migrate to linux, these geniuses are afraid to migrate period.
>>There is a huge movement afoot to create marketshare for Linux
A conscience movement to increase marketshare? Perhaps in the minds of executives at Redhat, Novell and other commercial entities.
Ok, sure, all of us geeks would like to see linux more widely used. (well some of us anyway, I keep forgetting that slashdot has a lot of windows users, who may or may not care less)
But I don't think that market share as a goal, is a "movement" like you describe.
The marketshare is a side effect of passion. Passion is what countless thousands of developers, sysadmins and techies have for linux and opensource.
Microsoft on the other hand, had a single goal: to capture marketshare. If anyone's had a "movement to capture marketshare" it was definitely Microsoft. It worked quite well in hindsight.
No. I'd have to disagree with you and say that "marketshare" is not the movement. The movement is "doing it better", which if results in more marketshare...fantastic.
j
>>And why does a soccer mom want Office when she gets Works for free?
perhaps soccer mom is real estate agent or involved in some other business, and her clients or business associates are trading word and excel docs. Open Office would cut it, Microsoft Works would not.
>> STOP MENTIONING BLUE SCREENS! DUDES! That's so old!
why? they still happen. maybe not to you, but to others yes. and sure while your infamous bsod is rarer in xp, there's another phenomenon I've seen...that didn't used to happen with NT or 2k, and that's a "spontaneous abrupt reboot", that forces a file check.
>>And even if she did, OO has a Windows version. lol.
we're talking potential here. no one said linux is ready to be the perfect desktop TODAY.
what were talking about is what linux _can_be_.
Open Office on XP only solves a small fraction of the problems for your soccer mom. I know, I constantly fix systems for them.
After you install OO you think you are done? What are you gonna do about the spyware, adware, viruses, trojans, keyloggers, drive by installs, and software updates?
It's to the point that your average person has been so inundated with wizards, pop-ups, configuration prompts, etc...many are on the brink of defeat. They have no clue what the constant barrage means or whether it's a legit system prompt or not.
hence the user choking their pc to death with crapware. and poor configuration.
with all the variations in distros, i wouldn't be surprised to see a soccer mom distro. perhaps it's a live based one, you just boot it and work. maybe an online subscription will use any internet connection available to save documents to a central place. also to save preferences (almost like mounting your home directory remotely, or perhaps mirroring at the end of a session).
you'll never see that in windows. longhorn is destined to be the biggest windows yet.
no shit! 25 years ago, i had hair, a girlfriend, a car, and my first job.
;-)
and i was only 10 years old!
but seriously...didn't we just celebrate the 100 year anniversary of flight?
just 35 years ago, we went to the moon.
c'mon. 25 years is significant.
Well that helps clear it up. Thanks.
I was looking at it from a more general viewpoint:
If I distribute (software using GPL code) to the public, regardless of how many middlemen or confounding distribution schemes I can come up with...if it's available via amazon.com, newegg.com or ebay...then it's public.
cough up the source, buddy.
I don't follow you.
Seems pretty simple to me. If you take GPL code, use it in a product, you have to make the source available to the public. (Company Y only, does not equal the public, invalidating your claim "completely satisfied the GPL obligation")
In your example, it seems pretty clear to me that anyone who requests it, should legally be able to obtain a copy of the modified source from Company X.
Company X is entitled to charge a fair fee for materials...but that's it.
Your point number 3. is completely false.
The GPL is not satisfied at all. The source had to be made publicly available, not to just a 3rd party, as in your example.
despite your convoluted explanation it's quite simple.
NASA might be like a few of my users who wanted new computers.
A couple of my user's computers were older but still useable. But they explained to me how these old systems needed to be put out to pasture because couldn't get their work done(according to them). They really just wanted a shiny new toy...a new p4 or opteron system.
funny...both those computers had mysterious failures a few weeks later. hmmmmmm...
>>(in xp) You've got everything pretty much set with an unprivileged account.
That would be great if true. Unfortunately, anyone who has performed an XP PRO install, will notice that all the user accounts created using the XP installer are _all_ admin accounts.
and it's such an attractive spot to create initial user accounts...
Edison's first bulb >>> 1.4 lumens per watt
s /L B26efficient.htm
Modern 60 Watt bulb >>> 960 lumens
from here
http://www.ysartglass.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Bulb
.
>> it(email) is the killer app
;-)
no doubt! email _is_ the killer app. just look at how many computers outlook has killed with viruses, worms, trojans, and spam.
outlook's rap sheet is to the floor...
you are right. both processors haul ass.
but the opteron, at all levels, will do it for a fraction of the price.
yes, that's right, not 5% less, not 10% less, BUT A MERE FRACTION...of the price.
just call 1-800-I-WANT-AMD
Call now and get your free Opteron beer chiller as a bonus gift....
(runs quickly away)
gone away?
If not, there is (still) a market for mozilla.
Sometimes I feel like I'm bailing out an ocean, but I'm converting users one at a time. To non-geeks, it's starting to hit home, as to just how bad the crapware is getting. I do a little show and tell. "see this program (points to IE) - BAD!!!", "see this program (points to mozilla) - GOOD!!!". I of course give them a run down (in laymens terms) on how the sneaky stuff gets on their system, and how 99% comes from IE and Outlook Express. After that, all are more then willing to try something different. So on goes Moz!
One thing to remember is that it's very important that you setup Mozilla for them. Make sure the pop-up blocker is enabled. Also set it so that these things are disabled(unchecked):
-move or resize existing windows
-raise or lower windows
-hide status bar
-change status bar text
-change images
Finally. _warn_ _them_ , that Mozilla won't work on every single site. Tell them to fall back to IE on the few sites that don't work(with moz)... But that Mozilla should be first line of defense.
>>Also, the photo of Ellison is kind of comical. If you were to throw a black cape and a tall hat on him, he could be a circus magician."
t ic .html
i must be really bored tonight...
http://www.geocities.com/hjklyuio7890/C_ra_ptas
(fyi, work safe, it's pretty stupid actually...)
>>>I consider myself a hacker.(snip) Having a book that contains step by step hacks seems like reading a cookbook to become a chef. It just doesn't work that way.
So if I read this book, learn something, then combine it with my existing knowledge and come up with something slightly different or new?
imo, a real hacker would not rule out any potential source of information...a real hacker isn't quick to pigeon hole something either.
I think it's _how_ you get to be market leader.
But you are right. In one sense, it seems all companys are cut throat and don't play fair, to some degree...So one might ask "why penalize microsoft for something that other companies are doing"
possible answer: Make an example out of them, i.e. I think the point of bitch slapping monopolies though, is to remind all the other corporations that there _are_ upper bounds to corporate shenanigans.
>>My first toy was a set of wood sticks notched
you should be so lucky...our parents told us to play with dirt.
>>moralistic claptrap around gnu
I had no idea GNU was about morals. I thought GNU/GPL was a simple and brilliant way to prevent being ruled by megacorps.
You know...Taco Bells, Walmarts and Microsoft.
All the little guys band together, cleverly use an overzealous copyright system (the ones that the megacorps paid for) to fight back.
I think there is a balance to everything, and I have to say that there is clearly NO DANGER of having to much GPL, currently.
ha. I never said paper pushers are bad. or unneccesary!
I just found the parent poster going for the drama points, by creating a vision of a huge army of people handing out rice.
I knew that for every person out in the field, there had to be 10 or 20 back in the office. I did not state that this was out of the norm, and in fact stated that "any large organization".
it's just in the nature of large organiztions.
the U.N. does a fine job.
moving right along...
>>>the lowley UN grunt is...handing out rice
p
;-)
I doubt it. The bulk of any large organization's workforce are paper pushers.
https://jobs.un.org/release1/vacancy/vacancy.as
Not too many rice distributor positions there...but I see Administration - 20, Conference services - 10, programme management -19...
After watching the video..I kind of sympathize with this guy..you can tell he truly believes in his right "not to be fucked with"...by anyone.
The cop was fairly reasonable and polite. The cowboy was moderately animated, moved around a bit, and refused to show his ID. I can see how the cop would definitely have his guard up.
It's a difficult line to draw. Both arguments seem reasonable. That's why it's "on the line".
Note: If you are planning on civil disobedience, disobey, and if at all possible, stay calm and state your case...then go to jail. Hiibel could have done a better job, if his goal was to make a point.
Hiibel is hoping the video will clear him. I've got to be candid and say that it's "borderline". In the video, Hiibel states: "i'm being cooperative"...but many people will look at his body language and decide that he really wasn't. Hiibel's wife isn't going to help either, she went off in the video, like a screeching hag. And nobody had touched her yet!
So if my business is building igloos, I can name my company: "Pluto's Igloos", and slap a logo of a Chihuahua on my equipment van, letterhead, and business cards?
I don't think so. I'm certain I'll be getting C&D letters from Disney.
Even if I lie and say that my intent was to name the company after the planet, I'd still be busted because of all the dog logos.
mod parent up!
i just spent a weekend some good friends of mine, who are married.
The guy speaks cantonese, and the girl speaks mandarin. It's very interesting! They speak to each other using english, but when they speak to their respective parents, they use their native tongue. It's comforting to stand there and have one look as clueless as me, when the other is speaking their native language.
we watched Shaolin Soccer the other day as well, and one had to read the subtitles, while the other watched the movie normally! (I believe Shaolin Soccer is in cantonese...iirc)
anyway...i have a feeling that 300 years from now, english and mandarin will be the dominant languages.
>>you can't expect them to destroy their company
.net. it'll be far too late by then.
sun has already destroyed itself.
but while sun is in it's death throes, they have an opportunity to stick one last dagger in the beast!
all right, drama aside...sun will probably opencource java 36 months from now....after Microsoft has already dominated with
I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my entropy comment, it's kind of hard to tell from your phrasing.
If you look at what I said: "while huge amounts of energy are falling to a lower level of order...there are pockets of INCREASING order"
translation: overall the system entropies, but portions will gain higher order.
Of course it's rediculous to think that the existance of order proves that the theory of entropy is invalid.
not sure where the strawman enters this discussion...