The administrators concerned retired comfortably without consequences to their careers.
Really retired? Too often around here they "retire" to collect their pension, than are re-hired at an even larger salary while they collect their pension. We have pay so much to lure them back so we can continue to partake of their "experience."
See, such bullshit isn't 't just for Wall Street, it is right there on Main Street, too. The only more egregious double-dippers we have in my state are the twits that run *and get elected) to the state legislature...where they go to fuck-up education even more.
Which is precisely why the education of those who will inherit our future shouldn't be left up to the whims of self-serving narcissistic union leaders.
Looks like the fedora-wearing, big-boss union leader/gangster canard is out again. 1973 called and they want their generalization back.
The local union members elect their local union leaders from within their own ranks.
The union negotiated contracts are designed this way to protect the union members that have paid the most dues. This is common across the board with union contracts.
Baloney. Why would the union members that do their jobs want to protect the folks that aren't? Your argument does not hold water. Once an ineffective worker if fired, their replacement will generally be a member of the union as well - paying dues.
What is common to all unions is they will fight to protect the contract and make sure it is followed, regardless of whether the employee is a "good" one or a "bad" one - unions want the contract language to be followed - always and for everyone.
> Administration agreed with us in both cases, but they could not do anything....
Someone saying "can not do anything" = "I'm a lazy ass who can't be bothered to do my job".
Because that needs to be said again.
The only lazy workers getting protected by unions (because they can blame their incompetence on the union) are lazy supervisors that refuse to do the job they are paid to do: supervise.
Bullshit. The cases above were the consequence of teacher unions. Period. Administration agreed with us in both cases, but they could not do anything....
It pretty much takes a criminal charge against a teacher to get union to cooperate with administration.....
Pure baloney. The administration was clearly too lazy to do their jobs - meaning exercise the management right, discipline, and dismissal sections of the contract. It was clearly easier for them to commiserate with you about that awful teacher knowing if they dragged their feet long enough your child would move onto the next grade away from that teacher and the administration would not have to perform some of the "unpleasant" aspects of their job and actually discipline and possibly fire a "bad" teacher.
there is no reason the teacher's union member that are doing heir jobs and doing them well will want their union to protect "bad" teachers.
But ok, you go right on ahead believing this is all about unions protecting incompetent teachers. (Yes, incompetent teachers exist, so spare me your anecdotes. Incompetent police officers, doctors, firefighters, pilots, accounts, lawyers, etc. also exist. It's called life.)
what not one of the union demonizing, canard quoting people can tell me is why would a union want to protect the poor performers?
Do you know who runs the local union? The folks from the same employer elected by local union members - not some nebulous union-boss bogey men in fedoras. Why would the folks that do their job and do it well want to protect people that aren't? Poor performers make more work for the people that actually do their jobs or make the whole group look bad - They'll resent the poor performers, not want them protected.
What a union will VIGOROUSLY do is protect the contract by making sure that the contract is followed - particularly language in the contract regarding discipline and dismissal. I guess to those with an anti-worker agenda this could look like protecting a bad worker, but it is making sure the rules are followed regardless of who is in the hot seat.
When I was chief steward there was an awful worker we all would rather have seen gone, they were a constant source of stress for everyone else with the poor attitude and performance that poisoned what ever office s/he was placed in. Why did s/he last for years? Because of union protection? No, it was because the so-called supervisors didn't want to follow the steps outlined to get ride of a poor worker - it was easier to transfer that loser around to different departments. S/he stayed not because of union protection, but because management refused to exercise the "management rights" they had enshrined in the contract.
Good to know that private enterprise is taking such good care of their infrastructure - so much better than anything the government might operate *snort*.
I am sure they will ask for a rate increase to perform the maintenance that they should have been doing all along - can't take that kind of money from the shareholders (owners.)
Keep the profits private and the losses public - that's the ticket.
That nice warm air that is laden with moisture from Lake Michigan which has been releasing that burden of moisture all over the place on the state of Michigan? That warm air?
I think red-light cameras have a negative connotation _because_ they make money and that is unfortunate....
I figure they'd not make money if people were not habitually running red lights. Don't want a ticket? Don't run the damn light.
My support for such cameras is conditional that the light timing NOT not be fscked with in order to maximize the potential of someone getting a ticket - I just want those that run the normally timed lights to feel a little pain for being is such a hurry or not leaving early enough for where they want to be.
Getting rear-ended is bad, getting T-boned is generally worse.
...The really important pieces of the Affordable Care Act have been in place for months now.
Stuff like requiring insurance companies to spend ~80% of premiums on health care
and not disqualifying you because of a pre-existing condition. Or how about removing lifetime caps on coverage.
I could go on, but the Affordable Care Act has a lot of other moving pieces..
Quoting that because too many people think "exchanges" = The Affordable Care Act.
people that could not buy insurance because of pre-existing conditions now can. People that fall ill cannot have their insurance cancelled just because now they really need it. these problems have existed for DECADES and finally something has been done about it. Do I think it is the best possible plan? Hell no! But it is a better than what we had before, and better than anything that was brought up since Clinton's health care reforms went down in flames.
My current car (2005 Pontiac Bonneville GXP) and prior car (1999 Bonneville SSE) both have/had HUDs - Love 'em. My mom's 2011 Camaro also has a HUD. Speed (and engine RPM in the Camaro) are shown constantly. High beam and turn indicators illuminated when active. A "Check gauges" Warning when idiot light on or gauge amiss. The two newer cars also show limited radio/song information but only when user is changing settings.
I have really grown use to being able to seeing my speed without having to drop my eyes from the road. Shame these devices are not available in more cars. My 78 year old mom is so used to having a HUD in the car that she didn't want to buy a new car without one.
always cracks me up when people whine about the ACA and "rationing" health care and "death panels" - look around, we already have them and have had them for decades - controlled by corporations out to maximize profit.
No, if they think you might have lied....or more often just because your treatments were going to cost them some money. The history of health insurance rescission is rife with cases of folks getting dropped due to the diagnosis of an expensive to treat ailment, not the discovery of some undisclosed pre-existing condition.
My last vacation I took the train (Amtrak Autotrain, Lorton VA to Sanford FL) it was a wonderful experience. Excellent service and food on the southbound trip. Northbound was...okay - I would say very good, except that the southbound trip crew was awesome.
That said, even the "okay" service on the northbound trip was FAR better than any airline experience I have ever had- even when I've flown first class.
The location I live in has "choice" for natural gas and electricity - want to guess on how much we consumers are saving because we have that "choice"?
On the other hand we do reap the benefits have having far less reliable electric service that takes far longer to recover from an outage
I love those feel-good bullshit stories about line crews from other areas going into a storm hit location to help repair the outages....the electric companies have to do this because they have laid-off so many line crews that they can't keep up with maintenance (for companies that still bother with preventative maintenance) let alone storm damage repair.
You forgot the third option, which may or may not be available to Exxon depending on how they work with subsidiaries and/or sub-contractors: declare bankruptcy leaving the clean-up to the taxpayers.
When times are bad the state cuts education funding because, well, times are bad and money is tight. When times are good state cuts education funding because fewer people are going to school so we don't need the schools that badly. State takes it out of education no matter what.
So tuition goes up in good times and bad, it goes up faster than inflation since the schools are not only hit with inflation, but hit with shrinking state support
I've watched this go on for decades
But there always seems to be money for a new vice president (and their staff) position even while lay-offs are rampant elsewhere.
Unhappy with what the union leadership and/or negotiating committee did? Then run for a position and/or be part of the negotiating committee next time. Simple solution.
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The administrators concerned retired comfortably without consequences to their careers.
Really retired? Too often around here they "retire" to collect their pension, than are re-hired at an even larger salary while they collect their pension. We have pay so much to lure them back so we can continue to partake of their "experience."
See, such bullshit isn't 't just for Wall Street, it is right there on Main Street, too. The only more egregious double-dippers we have in my state are the twits that run *and get elected) to the state legislature...where they go to fuck-up education even more.
Which is precisely why the education of those who will inherit our future shouldn't be left up to the whims of self-serving narcissistic union leaders.
Looks like the fedora-wearing, big-boss union leader/gangster canard is out again. 1973 called and they want their generalization back.
The local union members elect their local union leaders from within their own ranks.
The union negotiated contracts are designed this way to protect the union members that have paid the most dues. This is common across the board with union contracts.
Baloney. Why would the union members that do their jobs want to protect the folks that aren't? Your argument does not hold water. Once an ineffective worker if fired, their replacement will generally be a member of the union as well - paying dues.
What is common to all unions is they will fight to protect the contract and make sure it is followed, regardless of whether the employee is a "good" one or a "bad" one - unions want the contract language to be followed - always and for everyone.
> Administration agreed with us in both cases, but they could not do anything....
Someone saying "can not do anything" = "I'm a lazy ass who can't be bothered to do my job".
Because that needs to be said again.
The only lazy workers getting protected by unions (because they can blame their incompetence on the union) are lazy supervisors that refuse to do the job they are paid to do: supervise.
...
Bullshit. The cases above were the consequence of teacher unions. Period. Administration agreed with us in both cases, but they could not do anything....
It pretty much takes a criminal charge against a teacher to get union to cooperate with administration.....
Pure baloney. The administration was clearly too lazy to do their jobs - meaning exercise the management right, discipline, and dismissal sections of the contract. It was clearly easier for them to commiserate with you about that awful teacher knowing if they dragged their feet long enough your child would move onto the next grade away from that teacher and the administration would not have to perform some of the "unpleasant" aspects of their job and actually discipline and possibly fire a "bad" teacher.
there is no reason the teacher's union member that are doing heir jobs and doing them well will want their union to protect "bad" teachers.
But ok, you go right on ahead believing this is all about unions protecting incompetent teachers. (Yes, incompetent teachers exist, so spare me your anecdotes. Incompetent police officers, doctors, firefighters, pilots, accounts, lawyers, etc. also exist. It's called life.)
what not one of the union demonizing, canard quoting people can tell me is why would a union want to protect the poor performers?
Do you know who runs the local union? The folks from the same employer elected by local union members - not some nebulous union-boss bogey men in fedoras. Why would the folks that do their job and do it well want to protect people that aren't? Poor performers make more work for the people that actually do their jobs or make the whole group look bad - They'll resent the poor performers, not want them protected.
What a union will VIGOROUSLY do is protect the contract by making sure that the contract is followed - particularly language in the contract regarding discipline and dismissal. I guess to those with an anti-worker agenda this could look like protecting a bad worker, but it is making sure the rules are followed regardless of who is in the hot seat.
When I was chief steward there was an awful worker we all would rather have seen gone, they were a constant source of stress for everyone else with the poor attitude and performance that poisoned what ever office s/he was placed in. Why did s/he last for years? Because of union protection? No, it was because the so-called supervisors didn't want to follow the steps outlined to get ride of a poor worker - it was easier to transfer that loser around to different departments. S/he stayed not because of union protection, but because management refused to exercise the "management rights" they had enshrined in the contract.
Good to know that private enterprise is taking such good care of their infrastructure - so much better than anything the government might operate *snort*.
I am sure they will ask for a rate increase to perform the maintenance that they should have been doing all along - can't take that kind of money from the shareholders (owners.)
Keep the profits private and the losses public - that's the ticket.
That nice warm air that is laden with moisture from Lake Michigan which has been releasing that burden of moisture all over the place on the state of Michigan? That warm air?
I think red-light cameras have a negative connotation _because_ they make money and that is unfortunate....
I figure they'd not make money if people were not habitually running red lights. Don't want a ticket? Don't run the damn light.
My support for such cameras is conditional that the light timing NOT not be fscked with in order to maximize the potential of someone getting a ticket - I just want those that run the normally timed lights to feel a little pain for being is such a hurry or not leaving early enough for where they want to be.
Getting rear-ended is bad, getting T-boned is generally worse.
... it's really that Oracle screwed everyone over. That's the real story, and the state is looking for a way to get their money back.
As a long time Sun Microsystems customer I find that shocking!
...The really important pieces of the Affordable Care Act have been in place for months now. Stuff like requiring insurance companies to spend ~80% of premiums on health care and not disqualifying you because of a pre-existing condition. Or how about removing lifetime caps on coverage.
I could go on, but the Affordable Care Act has a lot of other moving pieces..
Quoting that because too many people think "exchanges" = The Affordable Care Act.
people that could not buy insurance because of pre-existing conditions now can. People that fall ill cannot have their insurance cancelled just because now they really need it. these problems have existed for DECADES and finally something has been done about it. Do I think it is the best possible plan? Hell no! But it is a better than what we had before, and better than anything that was brought up since Clinton's health care reforms went down in flames.
My current car (2005 Pontiac Bonneville GXP) and prior car (1999 Bonneville SSE) both have/had HUDs - Love 'em. My mom's 2011 Camaro also has a HUD. Speed (and engine RPM in the Camaro) are shown constantly. High beam and turn indicators illuminated when active. A "Check gauges" Warning when idiot light on or gauge amiss. The two newer cars also show limited radio/song information but only when user is changing settings.
I have really grown use to being able to seeing my speed without having to drop my eyes from the road. Shame these devices are not available in more cars. My 78 year old mom is so used to having a HUD in the car that she didn't want to buy a new car without one.
Amen!
Shhh, you'll ruin the story.
Ahh yes, but in the case of a dispute with private insurance you have the courts to turn to for adjudication.
oh man, I'd need a new monitor had I had a cup of coffee when I read that. That statement is just too funny for words.
always cracks me up when people whine about the ACA and "rationing" health care and "death panels" - look around, we already have them and have had them for decades - controlled by corporations out to maximize profit.
No, if they think you might have lied....or more often just because your treatments were going to cost them some money. The history of health insurance rescission is rife with cases of folks getting dropped due to the diagnosis of an expensive to treat ailment, not the discovery of some undisclosed pre-existing condition.
My last vacation I took the train (Amtrak Autotrain, Lorton VA to Sanford FL) it was a wonderful experience. Excellent service and food on the southbound trip. Northbound was...okay - I would say very good, except that the southbound trip crew was awesome.
That said, even the "okay" service on the northbound trip was FAR better than any airline experience I have ever had- even when I've flown first class.
The location I live in has "choice" for natural gas and electricity - want to guess on how much we consumers are saving because we have that "choice"?
On the other hand we do reap the benefits have having far less reliable electric service that takes far longer to recover from an outage
I love those feel-good bullshit stories about line crews from other areas going into a storm hit location to help repair the outages....the electric companies have to do this because they have laid-off so many line crews that they can't keep up with maintenance (for companies that still bother with preventative maintenance) let alone storm damage repair.
You'd think the British people would have noticed by now.
You forgot the third option, which may or may not be available to Exxon depending on how they work with subsidiaries and/or sub-contractors: declare bankruptcy leaving the clean-up to the taxpayers.
When times are bad the state cuts education funding because, well, times are bad and money is tight. When times are good state cuts education funding because fewer people are going to school so we don't need the schools that badly. State takes it out of education no matter what.
So tuition goes up in good times and bad, it goes up faster than inflation since the schools are not only hit with inflation, but hit with shrinking state support
I've watched this go on for decades
But there always seems to be money for a new vice president (and their staff) position even while lay-offs are rampant elsewhere.
Like the GOP kool-aid, don't you?
so, other than that, how do you like Texas?
Unhappy with what the union leadership and/or negotiating committee did? Then run for a position and/or be part of the negotiating committee next time. Simple solution.