after another year or so of breaking them with nearly every damned release?
You guys just can't be satisfied. "This or that feature should be a plugin!" Mozilla removes features and suggests they are better handled by plugins "No! Not that feature!"
Their plugins sometimes break between releases because of the way plugins are structured, so they announce that they're replacing their plugin architecture with something guaranteed to have a more stable API. "No! You're destroying everything! NoScript will never work again!" "We're working with NoScript to ensure it continues to function in the manner users expect." "Liar! I hate you!"
Mozilla's users, at least on Slashdot, seem absolutely determined to jump the shark...
Let's say we have a true conspiracy that involves hundreds of thousands of people. Should such a conspiracy be revealed, even by a few hundred of the conspirators, why would anyone believe them? After all, such a conspiracy would involve hundreds of thousands of people. They're just a bunch of attention seekers and conspiracy nuts. If it were true, it would have been revealed by now...
All of the conspiracies listed in the summary, conspiracy theorists would say have been revealed, after all. Like JFK, 9/11 inside job, and the moon landing the conspiracy theorists come out very quickly -- a lot faster than even the shortest times listed in the summary.
It's not enough that a conspiracy be revealed, it must also be generally believed to be true. Just about any evidence can be explained away, after all. Equally, we can very easily give undue weight to flimsy evidence. It's entirely possible that we believe false conspiracies on flimsy evidence, and deny true conspiracies with solid evidence.
You educated evil human have not the education or rationale to comprehend Nature's Simultaneous 4-Day Cube. who can't understand 4-day simultaneous cubic time. You are probably brainwashed, indoctrinated, educated stupid and cannot comprehend Nature's Harmonic Simultaneous 4-Day
No single corner human can occupy or experience more than a single corner at the same time during a 4-corner rotation within the 4/16 creation principle. Earth sphere rotates within an invisible Time Cube.
Educated people are the evil empowerment of the self - the lowest form of humanity. Humans are brainwashed stupid and indoctrinated evil. A human will rotate around 4-corner lifetime stages within a family metamorphosis - baby, child, parent and grandparent. Name your 4/16 greatgrandparents.
All Educated are Stupid from brainwashing and indoctrination. Pedants cannot comprehend that there are 4 simultaneous Years within a single rotation of Earth about the Sun.Each season has its own separate Year.
You're still trolling. I'd explain why, but I suspect you know as you've clearly adopted a new, but common, trolling tactic. I will not engage you on the content of your post, as that's precisely what you want from this type of troll post.
The overwhelming majority of those standing in the "evolutionist" camp are not scientists. Further, a subset of scientists are also creationists. It's simply not an appropriate designator. It's, without question, less useful as the one to which you object.
I'm honestly not sure why you so strongly object to what appears to be an ideal designator. The only clue in your post is "We don't generally label the reality-based people like that" which is ridiculous, as we very often label people according to their beliefs, affiliations, and other properties when we're discussing groups. It's very frequently used when discussing two groups who are divided along some specific issue.
A popular form of trolling is to hijack a topic through a segue. You've done exactly that, trying to turn a discussion about creationism in to one about feminism, which is decidedly off-topic.
I would also offer that a flamebait mod would have been acceptable as well as your post was quite clearly intended to incite inflammatory responses, a trolls favorite spicy food, if you will.
Your troll mod has nothing to do with ideology, or criticism of the same. At least, even if that was what motivated the moderator, it's a perfectly valid mod on other, far more legitimate, grounds.
I certainly don't. Most of the parents, like most people, simply aren't equipped to provide a proper education to their children. We'd end up with a generation that reads at a third-grade level, can't handle any math beyond simple addition, and with a knowledge of science that begins with gravity makes you fall down and ends with plants grow from seeds.
Cool story time: My idiot brother has elected to home-school his two children for an odd mix of political and religious reasons. His oldest child is in third-grade, presumably. He's so far behind other children his age you'd think he was an overgrown kindergartner. Now, he may be an idiot, but hes still more capable than many of the parents I deal with every week. At least I can be assured that his progeny will be able to read, to some degree, and handle basic arithmetic. I could not offer the same guarantee for the children of many other parents I know.
Yes, parents, for the most part, care about their children. That does not mean they're all able to adequately meet their needs.
This is about reality-denying religious extremists bringing their archaic beliefs into the classroom to try to pass them to a new generation
Don't be ridiculous. This is about scoring a few points with a voter demographic.
I'd like to call back the AC's observation:
It seems that most history we learn in schools is lies but I don't see anyone railing against that.
You don't seem to have an issue with this actual problem, yet the imaginary issue has you foaming at the mouth. I have my suspicions as to why, but I'd rather hear your reasoning.
We use language to communicate ideas. In this case, evolutionist is used in contrast to creationist, for clarity. What would you prefer? Creationists and non-creationists? It's a bit longer, and less descriptive.
In your zeal to yell and scream about this non-issue, you've misdirected your outrage.
Just let those people die in their ignorance and when they pull this shit, stop it brutally. And let it be known that we civilized and rational people will not tolerate such idiocy.
I find your claim to civility rather unconvincing.
The obvious solution, naturally, is to have several high-profile Muslims start a campaign to expand energy production via coal, while simultaneously lobbying to end nuclear, wind, and solar initiatives.
We'll see either an end to the irrational fear of Muslims, a redneck push toward clean energy, or their heads will explode. In any case, it'll solve at least one problem.
Let's try this: Programming is simple. Programs can be complex. Some problem domains are complex, giving the illusion that the program itself is complex, regardless of its actual complexity. Some programs are unnecessarily complex, through the inverse relationship that program complexity seems to have with the skill of the developer.
Programming is a skill, after all. Some are developers are better than others, but all improve with practice; just like every other skill. It is ridiculously easy to learn how to program as evidenced by the millions of children under 10 that have taught themselves. If I had to describe it, I'd say that the learning curve is initially quite steep, but also very short. It doesn't take long to grasp and apply all the essential skills and concepts. They are, after all, very simple.
That is the reality, after all. Programming is, quite obviously, very simple. To confuse the complexity of poorly designed programs or the natural complexity of the problem domain with the complexity of programming is to completely misrepresent the nature of the activity entirely.
Bringing this back on topic. To insist that it's complex or in any way related to subjects culturally considered difficult to keep young people out of the profession out of fear for your job or merely to feed your own ego is the height of absurdity. Be deluded all you like, but don't push belief in your imaginary monsters on others. That can be very harmful. In my fun story earlier, I talk about the mental block some students had when learning VAX Assembly. Many believed that assembly was incredibly complex (because that's what a bunch of elitists told them) and that they weren't capable of understanding and using it. Once that false belief was dispelled, though the method described earlier, students no longer struggled with their assignments.
I know, you really like the idea that programming has a cultural mystique not unlike what doctors, physicists, and mathematicians enjoy. You like that your profession makes people think that you're very smart of very clever. You'd rather not see a world where a larger percentage of the population shares the skill from which you derive those benefits. I say, face reality and accept it. The alternative, after all, is to remain deluded, holding those odd beliefs in face of evidence to the contrary. That's no way to live.
Isn't stability a basic requirement for software, especially in a programming language?
Apparently not. Just as an example, Python, the darling of Slashdot, can't even seem to maintain stability between minor versions. Just so you know I'm not picking on a fad language, consider that C# and other.NET has had countless breaking changes of the years. In the world of programming, fads and trends rule the day, stability be damned.
Rust is bucking the trend. If you're looking for a reason to bash it (because no one should like something you don't like) look elsewhere. It's actually meeting your expectations, unlike many other popular languages.
The point that you missed is that the skills needed to be a programmer have nothing to do with proficiency in a language. They have everything to do with math.
You've been programming at least as long as I have, yet you still haven't figured out that programming has absolutely nothing to do with math and logic. It's just a silly lie developers with discipline envy tell themselves. You'll find that even excellent programmers struggle with math and logic in a formal setting. That is, beign able to write computer programs in no way prepares them for a logic or advanced math course. There is very little overlap between programming, math, and logic in the general case. Those only appear, and generally only math, in specific problem domains.
So long as we rely on tools which essentially build an application by linking interfaces from a library, you don't need a programmer. [...] Software development is well on the path that Networking took about a decade ago. Good luck finding a job that pays enough to support a family when every 10th grade is building apps.
Here we get to the heart of it. What actually motivated your post, and the delusions therein contained. It's simple fear. You want to be part of some exclusive group. You want to have some special skill possessed by few others. It makes you feel important. If everyone could write computer programs, you'd no longer be special, so you invent fantasies like programming is all about math (math is hard!) and logic (so cool) or that those other people aren't real programmers because they don't use the same tools you do.
Here's the cold, unabashed, truth: Programming is easy. So easy, in fact, that children can (and often do) teach themselves. Anyone without a severe cognitive disability can learn to write computer programs. The skill of which you're so proud, and have wrapped so much of your identity within, is little more than a childhood hobby turned profession. You do not have a "special mind". You are not a "mathematician" or "logician". You are a computer programmer, just like millions of pre-teen kids around the world.
If you're worried about employment, perhaps you should have invested some time in other marketable skills.
Coding past an interpreter syntax does not qualify you as a programmer.
What a load of nonsense! The skills you need are identical. Further, the distinction between interpreted and compile languages has been more than a bit blurry for the last 30+ years. (Lets hope you never run across Forth, your head might explode.)
But let's take it to the "extreme". Compare that old BASIC you had on your Trash-80 to 6502 Assembly and C, so that we have high, medium, and low level languages represented. It should be immediately obvious to you that programming in BASIC and 6502 Assembly are very similar, requiring similar skills and approaches to program organization than either one as compared to C. (Fun story, when I tutored VAX Assembly, I would have students write the solution in BASIC first, then translate it to assembly. The similarity between them made that step trivial for all but the thickest student. It was incredibly successful in getting them past the 'assembly is super hard' mental barrier many had erected thanks to elitist nonsense like you're pushing.)
This elitism nonsense, where some developers aren't "real programmers" because they use language X instead of language Y, really needs to stop. It adds absolutely no value. It could possibly even be considered harmful, as my fun story illustrates.
A simpler point: We can't keep drugs out of prisons, with much better walls and far more security staff per unit of wall than our play-pretend border fence.
Why the focus on drugs anyway? The border fence / wall has always been about pandering to the xenophobic and racist fantasies of a particular voter demographic. It's never been about drugs.
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after another year or so of breaking them with nearly every damned release?
You guys just can't be satisfied. "This or that feature should be a plugin!" Mozilla removes features and suggests they are better handled by plugins "No! Not that feature!"
Their plugins sometimes break between releases because of the way plugins are structured, so they announce that they're replacing their plugin architecture with something guaranteed to have a more stable API. "No! You're destroying everything! NoScript will never work again!" "We're working with NoScript to ensure it continues to function in the manner users expect." "Liar! I hate you!"
Mozilla's users, at least on Slashdot, seem absolutely determined to jump the shark...
Didn't we hear the same thing in the mid-90's, before the biotech industry collapsed the first time. (It's crashing now ... again ... )
Why, yes, it is 20 years later. Still no designer babies.
we're listening to you guys.
Now I know Slashdot is in trouble...
I only know one...
Q. Is it true that Christa McAuliffe had dandruff?
A. Yeah, they found her head and shoulders.
It's been supported, by every major browser, for years. It hasn't become a problem. Your fear is imaginary.
Let's say we have a true conspiracy that involves hundreds of thousands of people. Should such a conspiracy be revealed, even by a few hundred of the conspirators, why would anyone believe them? After all, such a conspiracy would involve hundreds of thousands of people. They're just a bunch of attention seekers and conspiracy nuts. If it were true, it would have been revealed by now ...
All of the conspiracies listed in the summary, conspiracy theorists would say have been revealed, after all. Like JFK, 9/11 inside job, and the moon landing the conspiracy theorists come out very quickly -- a lot faster than even the shortest times listed in the summary.
It's not enough that a conspiracy be revealed, it must also be generally believed to be true. Just about any evidence can be explained away, after all. Equally, we can very easily give undue weight to flimsy evidence. It's entirely possible that we believe false conspiracies on flimsy evidence, and deny true conspiracies with solid evidence.
You educated evil human have not the education or rationale to comprehend Nature's Simultaneous 4-Day Cube. who can't understand 4-day simultaneous cubic time. You are probably brainwashed, indoctrinated, educated stupid and cannot comprehend Nature's Harmonic Simultaneous 4-Day
No single corner human can occupy or experience more than a single corner at the same time during a 4-corner rotation within the 4/16 creation principle. Earth sphere rotates within an invisible Time Cube.
Educated people are the evil empowerment of the self - the lowest form of humanity. Humans are brainwashed stupid and indoctrinated evil. A human will rotate around 4-corner lifetime stages within a family metamorphosis - baby, child, parent and grandparent. Name your 4/16 greatgrandparents.
All Educated are Stupid from brainwashing and indoctrination. Pedants cannot comprehend that there are 4 simultaneous Years within a single rotation of Earth about the Sun.Each season has its own separate Year.
You're still trolling. I'd explain why, but I suspect you know as you've clearly adopted a new, but common, trolling tactic. I will not engage you on the content of your post, as that's precisely what you want from this type of troll post.
The overwhelming majority of those standing in the "evolutionist" camp are not scientists. Further, a subset of scientists are also creationists. It's simply not an appropriate designator. It's, without question, less useful as the one to which you object.
I'm honestly not sure why you so strongly object to what appears to be an ideal designator. The only clue in your post is "We don't generally label the reality-based people like that" which is ridiculous, as we very often label people according to their beliefs, affiliations, and other properties when we're discussing groups. It's very frequently used when discussing two groups who are divided along some specific issue.
A popular form of trolling is to hijack a topic through a segue. You've done exactly that, trying to turn a discussion about creationism in to one about feminism, which is decidedly off-topic.
I would also offer that a flamebait mod would have been acceptable as well as your post was quite clearly intended to incite inflammatory responses, a trolls favorite spicy food, if you will.
Your troll mod has nothing to do with ideology, or criticism of the same. At least, even if that was what motivated the moderator, it's a perfectly valid mod on other, far more legitimate, grounds.
My post immidiately got modded as a Troll. Why do you think that is?
There is one obvious explanation...
I certainly don't. Most of the parents, like most people, simply aren't equipped to provide a proper education to their children. We'd end up with a generation that reads at a third-grade level, can't handle any math beyond simple addition, and with a knowledge of science that begins with gravity makes you fall down and ends with plants grow from seeds.
Cool story time: My idiot brother has elected to home-school his two children for an odd mix of political and religious reasons. His oldest child is in third-grade, presumably. He's so far behind other children his age you'd think he was an overgrown kindergartner. Now, he may be an idiot, but hes still more capable than many of the parents I deal with every week. At least I can be assured that his progeny will be able to read, to some degree, and handle basic arithmetic. I could not offer the same guarantee for the children of many other parents I know.
Yes, parents, for the most part, care about their children. That does not mean they're all able to adequately meet their needs.
This is about reality-denying religious extremists bringing their archaic beliefs into the classroom to try to pass them to a new generation
Don't be ridiculous. This is about scoring a few points with a voter demographic.
I'd like to call back the AC's observation:
It seems that most history we learn in schools is lies but I don't see anyone railing against that.
You don't seem to have an issue with this actual problem, yet the imaginary issue has you foaming at the mouth. I have my suspicions as to why, but I'd rather hear your reasoning.
We use language to communicate ideas. In this case, evolutionist is used in contrast to creationist, for clarity. What would you prefer? Creationists and non-creationists? It's a bit longer, and less descriptive.
In your zeal to yell and scream about this non-issue, you've misdirected your outrage.
Just let those people die in their ignorance and when they pull this shit, stop it brutally. And let it be known that we civilized and rational people will not tolerate such idiocy.
I find your claim to civility rather unconvincing.
The obvious solution, naturally, is to have several high-profile Muslims start a campaign to expand energy production via coal, while simultaneously lobbying to end nuclear, wind, and solar initiatives.
We'll see either an end to the irrational fear of Muslims, a redneck push toward clean energy, or their heads will explode. In any case, it'll solve at least one problem.
Let's try this: Programming is simple. Programs can be complex. Some problem domains are complex, giving the illusion that the program itself is complex, regardless of its actual complexity. Some programs are unnecessarily complex, through the inverse relationship that program complexity seems to have with the skill of the developer.
Programming is a skill, after all. Some are developers are better than others, but all improve with practice; just like every other skill. It is ridiculously easy to learn how to program as evidenced by the millions of children under 10 that have taught themselves. If I had to describe it, I'd say that the learning curve is initially quite steep, but also very short. It doesn't take long to grasp and apply all the essential skills and concepts. They are, after all, very simple.
That is the reality, after all. Programming is, quite obviously, very simple. To confuse the complexity of poorly designed programs or the natural complexity of the problem domain with the complexity of programming is to completely misrepresent the nature of the activity entirely.
Bringing this back on topic. To insist that it's complex or in any way related to subjects culturally considered difficult to keep young people out of the profession out of fear for your job or merely to feed your own ego is the height of absurdity. Be deluded all you like, but don't push belief in your imaginary monsters on others. That can be very harmful. In my fun story earlier, I talk about the mental block some students had when learning VAX Assembly. Many believed that assembly was incredibly complex (because that's what a bunch of elitists told them) and that they weren't capable of understanding and using it. Once that false belief was dispelled, though the method described earlier, students no longer struggled with their assignments.
I know, you really like the idea that programming has a cultural mystique not unlike what doctors, physicists, and mathematicians enjoy. You like that your profession makes people think that you're very smart of very clever. You'd rather not see a world where a larger percentage of the population shares the skill from which you derive those benefits. I say, face reality and accept it. The alternative, after all, is to remain deluded, holding those odd beliefs in face of evidence to the contrary. That's no way to live.
Isn't stability a basic requirement for software, especially in a programming language?
Apparently not. Just as an example, Python, the darling of Slashdot, can't even seem to maintain stability between minor versions. Just so you know I'm not picking on a fad language, consider that C# and other .NET has had countless breaking changes of the years. In the world of programming, fads and trends rule the day, stability be damned.
Rust is bucking the trend. If you're looking for a reason to bash it (because no one should like something you don't like) look elsewhere. It's actually meeting your expectations, unlike many other popular languages.
The point that you missed is that the skills needed to be a programmer have nothing to do with proficiency in a language. They have everything to do with math.
You've been programming at least as long as I have, yet you still haven't figured out that programming has absolutely nothing to do with math and logic. It's just a silly lie developers with discipline envy tell themselves. You'll find that even excellent programmers struggle with math and logic in a formal setting. That is, beign able to write computer programs in no way prepares them for a logic or advanced math course. There is very little overlap between programming, math, and logic in the general case. Those only appear, and generally only math, in specific problem domains.
So long as we rely on tools which essentially build an application by linking interfaces from a library, you don't need a programmer. [...] Software development is well on the path that Networking took about a decade ago. Good luck finding a job that pays enough to support a family when every 10th grade is building apps.
Here we get to the heart of it. What actually motivated your post, and the delusions therein contained. It's simple fear. You want to be part of some exclusive group. You want to have some special skill possessed by few others. It makes you feel important. If everyone could write computer programs, you'd no longer be special, so you invent fantasies like programming is all about math (math is hard!) and logic (so cool) or that those other people aren't real programmers because they don't use the same tools you do.
Here's the cold, unabashed, truth: Programming is easy. So easy, in fact, that children can (and often do) teach themselves. Anyone without a severe cognitive disability can learn to write computer programs. The skill of which you're so proud, and have wrapped so much of your identity within, is little more than a childhood hobby turned profession. You do not have a "special mind". You are not a "mathematician" or "logician". You are a computer programmer, just like millions of pre-teen kids around the world.
If you're worried about employment, perhaps you should have invested some time in other marketable skills.
Coding past an interpreter syntax does not qualify you as a programmer.
What a load of nonsense! The skills you need are identical. Further, the distinction between interpreted and compile languages has been more than a bit blurry for the last 30+ years. (Lets hope you never run across Forth, your head might explode.)
But let's take it to the "extreme". Compare that old BASIC you had on your Trash-80 to 6502 Assembly and C, so that we have high, medium, and low level languages represented. It should be immediately obvious to you that programming in BASIC and 6502 Assembly are very similar, requiring similar skills and approaches to program organization than either one as compared to C. (Fun story, when I tutored VAX Assembly, I would have students write the solution in BASIC first, then translate it to assembly. The similarity between them made that step trivial for all but the thickest student. It was incredibly successful in getting them past the 'assembly is super hard' mental barrier many had erected thanks to elitist nonsense like you're pushing.)
This elitism nonsense, where some developers aren't "real programmers" because they use language X instead of language Y, really needs to stop. It adds absolutely no value. It could possibly even be considered harmful, as my fun story illustrates.
If it was settled and indisputable, there would have been no need for the test.
You seem to be very confused about how science works.
The most dangerous of them all...
A simpler point: We can't keep drugs out of prisons, with much better walls and far more security staff per unit of wall than our play-pretend border fence.
Why the focus on drugs anyway? The border fence / wall has always been about pandering to the xenophobic and racist fantasies of a particular voter demographic. It's never been about drugs.
The cost increased 33% in just the time you took between typing point one and point two!
The cost now must be in the trillions.