That's where I'd put my money. I've seen this too many times to not cringe at the thought. There are ways to prevent this of course, depending on the equipment.
Risk/reward also needs to be considered as part of this. The move to DNSSEC may itself be straightforward (emphasis on "may), but it does stand to increase overall DNS bandwidth and use of other resources throughout the global DNS infrastructures. Service providers are sure to look at this and wonder what they're getting out of the deal for their added costs.
One thing to consider as well is that DNS is not intended to be an authentication of a site you are visiting. It seems to me there are other methods of site validation (SSL/Certs).
I really don't get it. He's ideologies are extremist and not realistic for what most of us call the "real world". Said real world is most definitely both free and not free. Air, for example, is free. The home in which you live, is not, although I'm sure RMS would argue that THAT should be free too.
What a flipping wacko.
And anyway, what does he exactly mean by "free" and how does it affect me? Why should I care what he thinks?
We need to get this communistic line of thinking out of our software development, people.
Really? Reasonable? The only reason they responded was for PR purposes. Corporate lawyers are paid to protect the interests of the company, not copy and paste boilerplate.
They knew exactly what they were doing. The didn't get away with it. End of story.
Just because something is "free" doesn't mean you have to give your rights away. What is this world coming to??
I find it very interesting that in this day and age, some "security researcher" can present on this subject and illicit an OMG-end-of-the-world reaction from people (primarily the press).
BGP was designed to work this way. The "hack" they described is not a hack but a key feature of the system. There is an implied level of trust one must have with their peers. When that trust breaks down, or isn't there to begin with, trouble can be found.
Yes, there are methods that can be put in place to prevent this, e.g. filtering at the end of the provider networks. There are cases, however, where that may not be option. Also, it is a point that while one nonconformist to proper edge filtering is bad, it is certainly better than everyone not filtering.
Other things put in place to help the filtering include the Routing Arbiter Database (radb.net). This allows providers and their peers to publicly define the address ranges that will be expected to originate from a given AS. Automation can be performed against these datasets, and filters generated on the fly. Many providers do this already.
Just because not everyone does this, does not mean it is the end of the world. If someone does exploit this, it is usually pretty easy to see where it is coming from. I've seen it happen before myself.
Think of the things to come from this wonderous technology. I *really* can't wait until I can pay for things by fingering a nearby cash register... er, biometric validation register...
Sheesh... how long until we start seeing information from this system used against *us* (the NON-terrorists) in court? It's already being done with EZ-Pass and the like. ("Yes, your honor, it was my finger that purchased those condoms...") This only makes it worse...
I think it's time for a one way ticket to Antartica!
Vovida.org is pretty comprehensive. Thier Vovida Open Communications Application Library (VOCAL) is pretty comprehensive, and works with many different vendor's phones, soft phones, and even Cisco's high-capacity PSTN gateways (H.323, MGCP, and SIP).
...because he's been so successful creating jobs/boosting the economy in the past...
Yes, Bush simply hasn't gotten around to saying "Let the economy be prosperous again," which is the real problem. (Yes, that *is* sarcasm, in case you were wondering.) Or are you saying something different?
Seriously, the economy was on the downturn WAY before he took office. It's somewhat like driving a supertanker if you will -- it takes a good deal of time just to turn 90 degrees from your original course. Economies are well know for lagging the geopolitical times by a significant margin, and changing their trends is not something that can be done in a single month or even a single year. The true economic effects of the present leaders of our country may likely not be fully realized until *after* they've taken leave of office.
The prosperity of the 90's was due largely in part to the policies of the presidents that preceded Clinton. He had little (if anything) to do with it. After all, he was too busy with "other" things.
Bah, why bother, he will be re-elected soon enough.. We might as well get in as many days as we can before the liberals screw there way to the top again...
Well stated. Perhaps you, oh enlightened one, can explain to our lefty friends how we're still free in the midst of their socialistic ideologies. Are they truly blind?
At least when I lose my job, I'll have a president bent on creating a job for me, instead of a president bent on servicing his own privates.
I did not have sex with that (woman | animal | dba | terrorist |.+)
-Willyboy
THAT is why I don't use mine anymore. When I first got it, it was so I could take notes when meeting with customers and easily export them to my PC. I was quickly corrected in my thinking. The handwriting recognition is painfully inaccurate, and even if you're real good at it, it's impossible to keep up with a meeting and be as accurate as you would be if you were using good old paper.
This is not to say I wouldn't love to find them more useful, but until they get the human input interface working in an efficient (read: USEABLE) manner, I'm going to have to say they're fairly low on the usability scale.
...and no, I don't want to carry a *&#!ing keyboard around with it. That defeats the whole purpose.
Now what would be REALLY useful is if there was some sort of voice recognition, combined with the ability to record several hours of meetings clearly while in a large room with a lot of people. Oh, and it would actually have to work, rather than be a "marketed feature" That's important.
While I appreciate the sentiment of what they're looking to do, I think taking 30-40 years for ONE COUNTRY (and a small one, at that) to do this is absurd. In my opinion, the world is nearly at critical mass in terms of population and resource usage. If we don't take measures to wean ourselves from our oil dependencies NOW, I think we're acting too late!
I mean, it's not like the technology is not there. It may be a little incovenient right now, but demand will drive innovation, just as it always has.
If the telcos wish to follow suit in this, we'll be paying another monthly usage fee for each "extra" phone over the "allowed" 1 phone.
What is this world coming to? Seems like every company is 1) severely limiting your usage rights of their services, and 2) selling your personal information for profit, BEFORE you can opt-out.
Besides, they've got bigger fish to fry right now, like routing stability.
Yup. Had 'em for quite some time, and I *swear* that they sell distribution lists of their users to spammers. It only got worse when Sprint bought them. In fact, I was once a Speedchoice customer, and once Sprint bought them (!) I started getting barraged with spam.
Bad Sprint!
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That's where I'd put my money. I've seen this too many times to not cringe at the thought. There are ways to prevent this of course, depending on the equipment.
Risk/reward also needs to be considered as part of this. The move to DNSSEC may itself be straightforward (emphasis on "may), but it does stand to increase overall DNS bandwidth and use of other resources throughout the global DNS infrastructures. Service providers are sure to look at this and wonder what they're getting out of the deal for their added costs.
One thing to consider as well is that DNS is not intended to be an authentication of a site you are visiting. It seems to me there are other methods of site validation (SSL/Certs).
I really don't get it. He's ideologies are extremist and not realistic for what most of us call the "real world". Said real world is most definitely both free and not free. Air, for example, is free. The home in which you live, is not, although I'm sure RMS would argue that THAT should be free too.
What a flipping wacko.
And anyway, what does he exactly mean by "free" and how does it affect me? Why should I care what he thinks?
We need to get this communistic line of thinking out of our software development, people.
Dy-no-mite!
Beans for dinner anyone?
... you don't recharge it, you buy a new one.
Really? Reasonable? The only reason they responded was for PR purposes. Corporate lawyers are paid to protect the interests of the company, not copy and paste boilerplate.
They knew exactly what they were doing. The didn't get away with it. End of story.
Just because something is "free" doesn't mean you have to give your rights away. What is this world coming to??
I find it very interesting that in this day and age, some "security researcher" can present on this subject and illicit an OMG-end-of-the-world reaction from people (primarily the press).
BGP was designed to work this way. The "hack" they described is not a hack but a key feature of the system. There is an implied level of trust one must have with their peers. When that trust breaks down, or isn't there to begin with, trouble can be found.
Yes, there are methods that can be put in place to prevent this, e.g. filtering at the end of the provider networks. There are cases, however, where that may not be option. Also, it is a point that while one nonconformist to proper edge filtering is bad, it is certainly better than everyone not filtering.
Other things put in place to help the filtering include the Routing Arbiter Database (radb.net). This allows providers and their peers to publicly define the address ranges that will be expected to originate from a given AS. Automation can be performed against these datasets, and filters generated on the fly. Many providers do this already.
Just because not everyone does this, does not mean it is the end of the world. If someone does exploit this, it is usually pretty easy to see where it is coming from. I've seen it happen before myself.
Nothing new here, guys... move along.
I dont need no grammer checker at all. My grammer like myself is perfect.
lawpoop said: "The mind and the mouth have an inverse relationship: when one is open, the other is closed."
Um, thanks for deciding that for all of us!
...on how many bugs your emulating under your Windows 2004 Emulator Edition.
Think of the things to come from this wonderous technology. I *really* can't wait until I can pay for things by fingering a nearby cash register... er, biometric validation register...
Sheesh... how long until we start seeing information from this system used against *us* (the NON-terrorists) in court? It's already being done with EZ-Pass and the like. ("Yes, your honor, it was my finger that purchased those condoms...")
This only makes it worse...
I think it's time for a one way ticket to Antartica!
Vovida.org is pretty comprehensive. Thier Vovida Open Communications Application Library (VOCAL) is pretty comprehensive, and works with many different vendor's phones, soft phones, and even Cisco's high-capacity PSTN gateways (H.323, MGCP, and SIP).
This would add even more value to the already wonderful Z.
Yes, Bush simply hasn't gotten around to saying "Let the economy be prosperous again," which is the real problem. (Yes, that *is* sarcasm, in case you were wondering.) Or are you saying something different?
Seriously, the economy was on the downturn WAY before he took office. It's somewhat like driving a supertanker if you will -- it takes a good deal of time just to turn 90 degrees from your original course. Economies are well know for lagging the geopolitical times by a significant margin, and changing their trends is not something that can be done in a single month or even a single year. The true economic effects of the present leaders of our country may likely not be fully realized until *after* they've taken leave of office.
The prosperity of the 90's was due largely in part to the policies of the presidents that preceded Clinton. He had little (if anything) to do with it. After all, he was too busy with "other" things.
Bah, why bother, he will be re-elected soon enough.. We might as well get in as many days as we can before the liberals screw there way to the top again...
.+)
Well stated. Perhaps you, oh enlightened one, can explain to our lefty friends how we're still free in the midst of their socialistic ideologies. Are they truly blind?
At least when I lose my job, I'll have a president bent on creating a job for me, instead of a president bent on servicing his own privates.
I did not have sex with that (woman | animal | dba | terrorist |
-Willyboy
This is not to say I wouldn't love to find them more useful, but until they get the human input interface working in an efficient (read: USEABLE) manner, I'm going to have to say they're fairly low on the usability scale.
Now what would be REALLY useful is if there was some sort of voice recognition, combined with the ability to record several hours of meetings clearly while in a large room with a lot of people. Oh, and it would actually have to work, rather than be a "marketed feature" That's important.
While I appreciate the sentiment of what they're looking to do, I think taking 30-40 years for ONE COUNTRY (and a small one, at that) to do this is absurd. In my opinion, the world is nearly at critical mass in terms of population and resource usage. If we don't take measures to wean ourselves from our oil dependencies NOW, I think we're acting too late!
I mean, it's not like the technology is not there. It may be a little incovenient right now, but demand will drive innovation, just as it always has.
If the telcos wish to follow suit in this, we'll be paying another monthly usage fee for each "extra" phone over the "allowed" 1 phone.
What is this world coming to? Seems like every company is 1) severely limiting your usage rights of their services, and 2) selling your personal information for profit, BEFORE you can opt-out.
Besides, they've got bigger fish to fry right now, like routing stability.
-schwim
Yup. Had 'em for quite some time, and I *swear* that they sell distribution lists of their users to spammers. It only got worse when Sprint bought them. In fact, I was once a Speedchoice customer, and once Sprint bought them (!) I started getting barraged with spam. Bad Sprint!