Seriously you assume so many things which are never stated.
You state all the common traps people fall into and assume I have also been a victim to such a trap. I am a man of science and math; I think in my last physics exam I scored probably the highest because I never heard of any other student with a higher score. To me there is absolutely no contradiction between RT and ST; ST is like a kid before RT; ST is for the observed/things/objects; RT is about the observer.
And ST is group-dance; RT is a one-man journey. You dont start into religious path until you kind of mastered the scientific one. RT is a solo performance. You figure out things for yourself and only you confirm or deny things. You don't ask for confirmation with fellow travellers. Then it becomes like a circular linked list; how can you rely on his mind? why is that superior than yours?
suffering is real if you want it to be real. It's as simple as that. I can create the same external conditions; one person will be in bliss another will jump-upn-down crying 'suffering!'.
For me eternal existence is as real and true as for you 1+1 is 2. I didnt' go find it to comfort me; I was just doing my journey and it just happened to me. I was perfectly fine even before that to accept death. I never understood why people are scared of death. In fact in one lives consciously 24 hours; he/she should be bored to live the next 24 hours. Only a man of mystery can expect the next 24 and look forward to it. Willing to see what game the cosmos has for him. Sorry physics/maths are all just a tiny thing; they can help to make external life a bit comfortable. That's all. And I don't know what else could be more important to a human, than to find a way to keep him happy. To me, all human endeavors are centered around being happy. Of course they take wrong trails like pursuit of power/money/fame/knowledge-accumulation will lead them there.
BTW to make my analogy in previous post without confusion.. radio/am/fm stand-for mind/ST/RT
BTW until you are ready to jump, you can't jump. Your thoughts are not yours. And when you need to move, you will get a thought that will propel you to act [in fact it will move your limbs/body]; utmost you can witness..this is awareness.. the light you were asking... btw the laws of physics..they are not constant..they keep getting refined n refined..the deeper you see, you will find an exception to your so called 'law'. It's a never ending process. Again how do I know these? it's like someone asking Ramanujan how he came up with the math results.
I see you give too much important to modern medicine/science....like tramissters, serotinin.. please it's like a kid trying to explain how the recent alpha-go beat the world go champion. And please your quoting of a dictionary explanation is even more funny. who wrote the dictionary? I'm sorry you need to wait.. when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive.
I drive a number of days a week a route to get home where highway and residential streets are almost the same length of time, with less variability of time as traffic on the freeway is just one minor indecent away from an extra half hour delay.
So, I take lots of residential streets.
length of time is not the only criteria; side streets significantly increases your risk. In free-way if I'm absent minded and hit, it could be just a bumper. In side-street it could very well be a kid/pedestrian. So at times it's worth it just to sit in traffic in free-way than increase your exposure to unnecessary issues (legal?)
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Okay I see you have difficulty in accepting two kind of Truths; in fact it only differs in the way of proving. Both lets say are the same kind of Truth. ST you can prove and show a fellow mind (which using the 5 input senses can confirm); RT is a Truth which the fellow mind can't be shown using his 5 senses. But that dosen't mean the person cannot confirm the Truth -- he needs to work on himself, using his mind/body to realize that the RT is indeed True.
I don't believe in gravity because I read it in high school or Newton told me so. I believe because I experience it. I see it happen. I can perceive it. I don't believe in some RT because osho told me or ramana told me. I confirm it with my own experience. Until a person experiences himself, he cannot know. And how to experience it? this is a hard task. In my very first reply I told you..may be you climb a mountain and see sunrise. It's just a clue; each mind has to look inside and figure out how to see the higher truths. A singer once she reaches her peak performance may get a glimpse; if you are teacher, may be if you excel in your teaching career, you may get a glimpse. A mass murderer when he murders 100s of people might have a glimpse; I don't know what each mind is designed to do. The path is unique and your job is to figure it out. My path, I found it myself. Osho didn't tell me or ramana didnt' tell me. Once I figured out a bit, I see these folks are in perfect alignment with what I had already found myself.
I think that answers what is True/Truth. It's basically what you deeply experience yourself and without doubt you know it. Not because someone told you, even if he is a God or displays magical powers. Also my pursuit as I repeated is the source/nature of happiness. I know external objects/praise/even a loving partner is not going to provide that happiness. It is something else. My test for a Truth is to see if it takes me along that path; am I becoming more n more blissful, calmer, happier. It doesn't matter if I believe in gravity or fairies, as long as it is increasing my SSH - steady-state-happiness/calmness, I'm on the right path. This may be different for different humans; someone cracking a hilbert problem might get this peace as he solves more n more hurdles in proving/his attempt to prove say the RH (Reimann hypothesis). I would say it has to bring down your CPU load on your mind; the tps is another term (thoughts per second)..again these are all RT, trying to borrow some terms from usual physics world to create an analogy.
Suffering - no it doesn't exist in reality. And yes there is no good or no bad. Your thinking makes it so. e.g let's say a child got abused by an adult . She grows up and thinks that something wrong had been committed to her. The society supports her view and she too thinks so; she suffers. If she looks clearly, there is hardly any damage or hurt - it's just the idea, the thought that makes her suffer. About your brother, I said he doesn't have to suffer or not suffering. People around him, like you and your parents might keep telling him.. 'oh we are so sorry for you' kind of talks. The guy may be perfectly enjoying even doing nothing. The happiness is inside you; you can beg in the street and be drowning in bliss (knowing that you may starve to death or someone can feed you).
I mentioned a few RTs just to whet your appetite. It is not to make you beleive it. When you cross that bridge and know it for yourself, you will know that oh yeahh I have heard of this before, kind of feeling.
You seem to be in physics; so why electricity&magnetism was not discovered until 200 years ago. Intelligent brain probably was available for 100,000 years ago. The reason is the tickering was missing. First find a way to build up large static charge. Then find a way to create
Okay you first declined to accept my basic assertion that there are two kinds of Truths. Next to impossible to carry forward because that is the door thru' which I can lead you ahead. All your talk is about ST (scientific truth); what I talk about more is RT (religious truth). As a man of logic, you should've understood when I said RT is not for mind-to-mind communication. symbolic encoding/language cannot transmit an RT. It must be felt/experienced by a single mind/jiva/human/limited-being. It's very easy to shoot down an RT saying the person is imagining.
Of course, I accept the research people like your wife have done/are doing. What their papers may say is like a drop in the ocean of the unknown space. Again words like 'evidence', 'Is it repeatable/reproducible', etc belongs in the domain of ST; not RT. It's in the very nature of RT that no one can show you an RT; except you find it yourself. And once you find it, you are kind of tongue tied - you can't make another human see it. You can utmost point the finger in that direction (like what I'm doing now; I don't claim that I have reached levels like ramana/osho, but atleast I'm open/mature enough to not label them as hallucinating)
About your brother or folks like them, how do you know they first have a problem? See for me a problem means, someone who can't experience bliss/happiness. If they can't find a job or manage to move their limbs correctly (for some definition of correctness), that doesn't mean they have an issue. Just because society/majority label someone has an issue (put the latest buzzword from the psychiatric department), doesn't mean the issue is real.
I don't believe in eternal life because it gives me comfort; I want to know the Truth; what is happening behind the scenes. I have had great peaks of happiness and deepest valleys of misery, that if I have to vanish into the void, I don't feel any regret - been there, done that from 5-senses experience point of view. What you say is things get recycled. Your body gets recycled. There is something.. people call it Awareness..which is eternal -- again this is an RT; don't ask for proof, I can't trasmit it to you.
How do you explain things like that friend who suddenly got crazy ideas that his professor is poisoning him? If I tell you, your thoughts get streamed to you, would you believe. But again this is an RT.
Yes brain does pattern matching. But again the very basic thing is a thought. It's an atomic thing. Unless you decode and understand a single thought, whatever you build on top of it is like a castle in thin air. And why should collective agreement with a collection of minds should yield a better quality truth? on what basis? It's like taking a random 1024 bit number and asking a group of say 100 first primes to check if that number is prime. Just because these 100 agree and say, oh we can't divide it, doesn't make that number prime. Basically quantity doesn't mean quality.
chemicals in brain affect emotions only if you not highly aware. A highly evolved person (go to buddist monks, the real ones; or some real spiritual practice persons) can drink a lot of alcohol and still be totally alert. He can take drugs, still his mood/emotion won't change. That he is flies above these effects. He becomes a witness of whats happening.
See unless you experiement with your own body and mind, you can't even confirm one RT. language is totally useless in RT; in fact it hinders. I don't see RT as something scary or mysterious. It's just that you have to experiment and find out for yourself. 200 years ago when electricity/magnetism was unknown... no body knew that you can create a current of charge;and then see it disturb a magnetic compass. Who would've thought to get a curretn to flow and a get needle next to it. Similarly some spiritual practice, if you subject your body and mind to it, will let you experience new experiences. For me, I'm not interested in those experiences but to know the source of happine
If you truly have an open mind and a keen alertness you will spot the diamonds among the glass beads. A person like Ramana lived in a cave for 7 years literally starving. In south-india advanced jivas care a damn about power/money; true some are on ego trips but there are true awakened souls. With good intellgence you can spot the 1 in a thousand/million who is not there to take a ride of others [btw in a bigger scheme of things, one person cheating a milllion is nothing wrong; the millions enjoy to get cheated.. who am i to tell them not to get cheated?]
Your whole talk about brain and brain only controls emotions is as baseless as and as without proof as a fairies creating gravity. Did you enter into your brain and see these? Just because some scientist/PhD student desperate to come up with a paper, you believe these things? And are you sure after your body dies, you wont' be there? do you have proof for it? I tell you, when you die, you will watch your body just like you see your cloths when you remove them after work and lay it say on your bed. It will be just like that. Do you need to believe me? no, as I said, this is based on experience. When you hit life in its head, you will come to see those experiences. Those teachers I mentioned never asked anyone to believe them. They only tell there is something more. Osho says you need to experiment with yourself. It takes a zillion times more courage than to master say quantum physics or the reason for God-particle.
Do you know where your thoughts come from? Do you know what dreams are? you too just believe in some mumbo-jumbo that signals firing in a huge feedback loop of neural net in brain.
And happiness has nothing to do with chemicals in brains. That you can call it with another name, hmm may be high [like under a chemical like cocaine, you can reach it temporarily]. Yes, if your limbs are say removed, you can still not suffer - it is possible. But as I said you need to be willing to explore. Do you think this vast infinite universe is dumb that it doesn't have secret doors and chambers?
Again these are all in the realm of spiritual world. You enter here only when you are bored with the world. People typically take two paths - suicide or meditation. You can't kid yourself long that what you see thru' the 5 senses is all ther is. People try LSD/drugs but that too (the fun) wears off quickly. Only if you are a true seeker and have tremendous courage, it's likely you will even explore and succeed in the meditation path. If you think the folks who have walked those paths are all hallucinating and imagining, please carry on in your scientific world and sooner or later you will be bored (ie u r not dumbing down your awarense with substances like drugs/alcohol/ego-comparison games with fellow humans). Again from what I can say, only if someone is really hit hard in life they will even consider the new path. The hit must be like a bolt from the blue; nothing short of it will do the trick.
Your mind is like a CPU at 100% load. Lot of thoughts hit it. The Truth is behind these. Unless you reduce your CPu load, you can't see it. To reduce it is not easy at all. meditation will help you; this too won't work until you have given up utterly on the exteral world. The path is more scary than anything you can even imagine. Hence very few attempt. Of course if it helps to convince yourself that..hey those guys are just imagining.. there is nothing there.. oh yeah you can live in the fantasy world for lot longer.
Seems a hoax; CPU processes using electrons; sound travel is mechanical. air-molecules vibrating can never carry the bandwidth of the coil-whine (whatever that is, I assume a disturbance in air surrounding the electro-magnetic changes inside the CPU). Is it april 1?
meant to say "there is *no* fun in it" below
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As you say, the higher intelligence could've programmed not to let you know the game (In east, it's called Leela.. a game.. a hide-n-seek game between limited and unlimited).. but then there is *no* fun in it"
There are two kind of Truths; scientific truths and religious truths.
scientific truths is all physics, maths. Religious Truths is something each mind knows/feels within itself. It is not for mind to mind interaction. Of course humans hijacked religion for power-building and we know all the ill effects of major religions.
Utmost what you can communicate is thru' Silence (as stated before cannot be encoded in naama-roopa/symbols)
Not sure why you didn't respond to my last paragraph -- because it talks about questions about religious Truth. There is no fun in knowing magnetic monopoles or not.. as you can see, the deeper you go, still deeper will be the mystery. It's pretty obvious as your read-resolution of cosmos increases so does new mysteries and new scientific/math models to explain. Each explanation becoming a super set of the previous one (like Eienstein over Newton regarding gravity/laws-of-motion)
also my problem is not about other mind/humans; who is torturing whom; which women is asked to cover with what cloths. Who is doing genocide; My problem is what makes me happy and where this happiness arises. Does understanding all math and physics will make me complete n happy. It's clear the answer is no. It explains things; repeatable etc. But what's the use? I doubt newton or einstein was a really happy person. But in places like India, folks like Osho, ramana maharishi, have found higher truths. It may look like a mad-man hallucinating for a physicists; but as I said you need to study the instrument (your head/mind) which is processing the signals from outside.
If you believe in laws-of-physics (LoP); these LoP created the instrument itself (you man, thru' evolution), so if LoP wants to play tricks with you, it can. It can show what you can see; what you cannot see.
As you say, the higher intelligence could've programmed not to let you know the game (In east, it's called Leela.. a game.. a hide-n-seek game between limited and unlimited).. but then there is fun in it. The game is to solve the puzzle and realize that you have been tricked into believing something else as a reality. Again if you living within scientific truth, you will see these as mumbo-jumbo. Where science ends, religion starts they say. Again the word religion is abused a lot; I don't talk about organized/group formation religion. A truly religious man talks to the sky/clouds/birds not with fellow minds.
In west folks like Alan Watts, Eckart Tolle talk similar concepts. Yes, you can keep on living in physics/math world..but hey life is running. I need to know deeper Truth. I can't waste to looker deeper n deeper into an electron or atom or basically what my eyes/ears can perceive. From what I know.. only if you are truly desperate, you will take a U-turn and go along the Faith path. The logic will not let you leave. Again is there anything wrong in it, no, it's a game. 7 Billion are playing this game; based on where you in the game, you will take new path. Once you ask for a proof, you are still playing in one part of the field. There are lot of other areas, but you can enter there only if you stop asking for proof; it's called experience. You will experience it - if you tell that to someone they will call you mad or you have gone crazy. Basically only a Zero can relate to another Zero. You need to become a Zero. Awareness is the key and you can transcend above the stream of thoughts hitting you.
price control is a stop-gap solution. In fact if any anti-competitive behavior is taken out of the system, it will automatically do the right thing. When a cartel takes over all the supply, we see all kind of distortions. Why a landlord was able to jack up rents with UBI? because as a group, they control the supply; do collusion. They will let a lot of empty apartments sit vacant in market but won't drop price. And they will use all sorts of tactics to prevent new supply (construction -- I heard in NYC they want to stop sky-scrapers because they cast shadow into the central park!:) so you just need some excuse to stop new supply into your market).
If govt can ensure laws like anti-trust work to ensure anti-competitive practices are in check, science and technology will ensure everyone gets a higher standard of living.
and as others pointed out, with no need to work/commute, people can live in remote towns/villages; no need to be in metros where rents are sky high.
"free" stuff may distort.. but if you think there is a real free market. you live in illusion. The ones already in the top, ensure how the market is played. You know how MS prevented linux like systems to take off until the arrival of Internet/servers. Of course the rich lobby n buy enough laws to ensure the anti-trust laws are just paper tigers.
True, just giving money won't solve; we assume a post-scarcity environment. That is there is abundance. A few landlords owning all apartments and keeping supply artificially low must be made illegal. And the items must have price controls. In countries like India, the price of petrol (gasoline) is fixed by the state - not controlled by market -- of course it tracks global oil market adjusting price every 15 days or so. Without such controls, what you say will happen. The money will be siphoned off by the rich (1% or 0.1%).
In south India, there is a state run PDS, public distribution system, which directly delivers food items like grains to families. It is near free. So instead of govt giving cash, it gives grains, fuel, even low cost housing. This way the vast majority of the poor is taken care of. Free market still runs for those who can afford. This way a stable society is maintained and there is not many without basic needs [again basic need is subjective. For someone having food and shelter is enough..for others they need running water, vehicle, electricty, internet, etc]
Not sure how AI is impacting my life today. Siri/voice recognition, I guess its' not even AI; but even if it is, it's not greatly enhancing my life.
When steam-engine or electricity was discovered, they greatly enhanced human life (replace horse driven carts, electric motors to pump water). Any real world AI application that can help me today? the only thing I saw that I played with a few times is image recognition in google-photos (it was good/impressive).
May be the self-driving vehicles could be a real application (the ones like beating a human in chess/go are not really enhancing someone's life compared to the steam-engines/electricity)
Very likely we are all in an infinite ladder of experience spaces...
Um, I do not think that this phrase means what you think it means...
Again is there any proof for this? no
...and here is why. Here is a question for you, and understanding the correct answer to it will change your life, in particular.
Is it better (in a logically, mathematically defendable sense) to believe in something for which there is evidence or to believe in something for which there is no evidence?
The answer is obvious for this case. How about a case for which there cannot be an evidence? or an evidence which cannot be encoded in symbols? (eastern spiritual calls it names-forms.. essentially you can't describe it using language or binary-code).
When you feel incomplete with the science explanation (evolving from hydrogen to self-replicating molecules to selfish-genes to phenotypes) for things like Happiness; you automatically gravitate towards explanations which first ask you to remove your life-jacket (logic/rationality). You have a choice - either stay put and wonder where is the answer or take the risk and explore.
Godel's incompleteness theorem states that even for a logical mathematical system there are Truths which cannot be proved or disproved within the system. Our brain using symbols/language is just a big logical machine (if you take the pure rational route). So there must be statements in it which are True but can't be proven (things like a force outside our brain.. actually your very thoughts are like packets sent down to you..again if you ask proof, I can't give it to you..no one can give it to you.. may be you can climb a mountain..watch the sun rise and in the quietness you may know it for yourself. The system is designed such that one mind cannot convey thru' symbols the Truth to another mind; each mind has to solve the puzzle by itself -- that's the fun/goal of the game).
This is a very serious question. If you want to read and understand the derivation of the answer you can read Jaynes' Probability Theory, the Logic of Science or Cox's The Algebra of Probable Inference, where Cox originally derived the answer from a small set of postulates that literally encode mere common sense.
Bear in mind that one can come up with a literal infinity of postulates concerning the nature of those "domains outside of logic" you wish to assert. How, precisely, can you select the ones that are best to believe in, especially when you put them "outside of logic"? You can't use logic to select between them by your own definition. You apparently don't understand the importance of evidence in choosing between them (or the necessity of logical consistency in whatever you choose when you are choosing the set that ultimately constitute your worldview, unless you want to build a worldview that is literally impossible to be correct). In the end, you will find yourself believing something just because you made it up or (worse) something somebody else made up, quite possibly to seduce your money and political power from you to advance their own personal agenda, carefully crafted to "sound nifty", without being able to defend your choice outside of asserting that they sound really cool so they must be true and sure, here's this week's offering, and who should I vote for that will enforce belief in this absurdity by law?.
That's the problem with turning off the reasoning power of your brain. It leads you to a world of fantasy, to a kind of madness, that makes you incredibly dangerous as you shape your life around pure imagination disconnected from the harsh and cruel realities of the real world, which does not give a shit about your imaginations of "men behind the curtain" that make it all work out.
Maybe there are such men, but without stating a coherent, logically consistent hypothesis a
apple falls; newton says it's due to gravity. He doesn't explain how gravity originated. That doesn't make his explanation of the apple fall flawed. You explain one link in a chain. If someone asks how the chain started, you can say no one started.. it just was there eternally - beginningless, endless and likely beyond reason/explanation. We can explain how we humans came about..these thinking-machines; but that doesn't mean we are explaining the origin of all. Of course very likely there is no creator and the creation alone is; it is both the creator as well as the created.
Plato said that in his Allegory of the cave thousands of years ago; and eastern spiritualism is all about you being a stimulus receiver thru' 5 senses (like 5 RJ into a computer). Very likely we are all in an infinite ladder of experience spaces, like different levels of a video-game. You finish one level and graduate and go to another level and keep playing forever (again forever means time and that may not exist in other domains). Again is there any proof for this? no..in fact asking for proof itself is a sign of immaturity because proof is a tool which makes sense only with in a logical domain and there are domains outside logic.
I guess GOOG is there to make money; a small company depends on them - not vice-versa. In fact if an MBA there comes to know of this problem, he will see a revenue stream -- a fee for the trouble to remove an entry from a black-list. If there is any real problem, it's how a big powerful entity rules over a smaller one. I think this exists likely since the dawn of time.
For what it's worth, the problem was that the previous owners of our IP had got it into a secret blacklist (internal to Google), although we were clean on all of the hundreds of public blacklists I searched. Google are a menace to the public infrastructure. Even AOL behave better!
Hmmm.. you could've saved lot of time by trying different IP. I mean it's kind of hard to know this is the root cause (in hind sight yes); but hey you could've tried changing stuff which you have in control. Kinda turn on/off.. playing with settings. kinda debugging 101. See when stuck with a more powerful adversary what else you could do? you cant' keep pleading it to respond, you have to only change things in your end.
Google act as judge, jury, and executioner, in a secret trial; you can't see the evidence, you don't even know if you've been condemned, and there is no appeal. And they are fine with that.
I guess here you can adjust the laws of physics if you wish. You can even game the system by making the ball go slow to you. Kinda play God if you wish; can't do this in table-tennis.
Isn't hitting a target 100's of miles precisely a military technology? I mean just imagine the cylinder carry exploive n the drone ship is an enemy target. So we are now in the time when a private company can own tech similar to ICBMs.
Why oh why do we need to actually see an antibiotics-resistant bacteria infect somebody before we'll acknowledge the blindingly obvious about to happen?
And why stop there; why should one person privileged over another? just because he has a better brain/work-ethics/looks/family/contacts? If you truly believe this, then probably I can send you some charities contact so you can transfer some funds.
Oh..it's as though India asked for H1B and the US capitalists immediately obliged... It's done because the wall-street can make more money by bringing in the talent from India. It's based on pure greed. No altruism. And why India and not say congo? because due to imperialism, Indians can speak English and they also valued education a lot more than rest of the world for the past 50 years. US just reaped the harvest and what India had was a brain-drain.
May be they can use their personal touch screen - of their smart phone [ie hv an app which knows which store, what menu, etc.. yeah there is privacy issue..for some it may not be a big deal]
Which always brings me to my strange idea of economics. I think that we should have a concept of making people as wealthy as possible, not the present day death march of making as many people as possible as poor as possible.
Who is 'we'? The 'we' always wants a social/economic ladder where one can feel, I'm better than him/her. It's built into the human nature. Called comparison. So whatever you may do, we as a group, would like to see a lot of have-nots. It's like its' okay I lose one eye; if my neighbor can lose both...Sorry it may sound too cold.. but dig into the human psychology and the state of world today - that too given the amazing technological advance we made in the last 200/300 years (all the 1%.. 99% issue)
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Seriously you assume so many things which are never stated. You state all the common traps people fall into and assume I have also been a victim to such a trap. I am a man of science and math; I think in my last physics exam I scored probably the highest because I never heard of any other student with a higher score. To me there is absolutely no contradiction between RT and ST; ST is like a kid before RT; ST is for the observed/things/objects; RT is about the observer.
And ST is group-dance; RT is a one-man journey. You dont start into religious path until you kind of mastered the scientific one. RT is a solo performance. You figure out things for yourself and only you confirm or deny things. You don't ask for confirmation with fellow travellers. Then it becomes like a circular linked list; how can you rely on his mind? why is that superior than yours?
suffering is real if you want it to be real. It's as simple as that. I can create the same external conditions; one person will be in bliss another will jump-upn-down crying 'suffering!'.
For me eternal existence is as real and true as for you 1+1 is 2. I didnt' go find it to comfort me; I was just doing my journey and it just happened to me. I was perfectly fine even before that to accept death. I never understood why people are scared of death. In fact in one lives consciously 24 hours; he/she should be bored to live the next 24 hours. Only a man of mystery can expect the next 24 and look forward to it. Willing to see what game the cosmos has for him. Sorry physics/maths are all just a tiny thing; they can help to make external life a bit comfortable. That's all. And I don't know what else could be more important to a human, than to find a way to keep him happy. To me, all human endeavors are centered around being happy. Of course they take wrong trails like pursuit of power/money/fame/knowledge-accumulation will lead them there.
BTW to make my analogy in previous post without confusion.. radio/am/fm stand-for mind/ST/RT
BTW until you are ready to jump, you can't jump. Your thoughts are not yours. And when you need to move, you will get a thought that will propel you to act [in fact it will move your limbs/body]; utmost you can witness..this is awareness.. the light you were asking... btw the laws of physics..they are not constant..they keep getting refined n refined..the deeper you see, you will find an exception to your so called 'law'. It's a never ending process. Again how do I know these? it's like someone asking Ramanujan how he came up with the math results.
I see you give too much important to modern medicine/science....like tramissters, serotinin.. please it's like a kid trying to explain how the recent alpha-go beat the world go champion. And please your quoting of a dictionary explanation is even more funny. who wrote the dictionary? I'm sorry you need to wait.. when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive.
I drive a number of days a week a route to get home where highway and residential streets are almost the same length of time, with less variability of time as traffic on the freeway is just one minor indecent away from an extra half hour delay.
So, I take lots of residential streets.
length of time is not the only criteria; side streets significantly increases your risk. In free-way if I'm absent minded and hit, it could be just a bumper. In side-street it could very well be a kid/pedestrian. So at times it's worth it just to sit in traffic in free-way than increase your exposure to unnecessary issues (legal?)
[I wish I can inline my comments; but I find it a bit hard to use the editor here and the ways to quote specific parts; so I will respond in a continous reply giving quoting enough context]
..may be you climb a mountain and see sunrise. It's just a clue; each mind has to look inside and figure out how to see the higher truths. A singer once she reaches her peak performance may get a glimpse; if you are teacher, may be if you excel in your teaching career, you may get a glimpse. A mass murderer when he murders 100s of people might have a glimpse; I don't know what each mind is designed to do. The path is unique and your job is to figure it out. My path, I found it myself. Osho didn't tell me or ramana didnt' tell me. Once I figured out a bit, I see these folks are in perfect alignment with what I had already found myself.
Okay I see you have difficulty in accepting two kind of Truths; in fact it only differs in the way of proving. Both lets say are the same kind of Truth. ST you can prove and show a fellow mind (which using the 5 input senses can confirm); RT is a Truth which the fellow mind can't be shown using his 5 senses. But that dosen't mean the person cannot confirm the Truth -- he needs to work on himself, using his mind/body to realize that the RT is indeed True.
I don't believe in gravity because I read it in high school or Newton told me so. I believe because I experience it. I see it happen. I can perceive it. I don't believe in some RT because osho told me or ramana told me. I confirm it with my own experience. Until a person experiences himself, he cannot know. And how to experience it? this is a hard task. In my very first reply I told you
I think that answers what is True/Truth. It's basically what you deeply experience yourself and without doubt you know it. Not because someone told you, even if he is a God or displays magical powers. Also my pursuit as I repeated is the source/nature of happiness. I know external objects/praise/even a loving partner is not going to provide that happiness. It is something else. My test for a Truth is to see if it takes me along that path; am I becoming more n more blissful, calmer, happier. It doesn't matter if I believe in gravity or fairies, as long as it is increasing my SSH - steady-state-happiness/calmness, I'm on the right path. This may be different for different humans; someone cracking a hilbert problem might get this peace as he solves more n more hurdles in proving/his attempt to prove say the RH (Reimann hypothesis). I would say it has to bring down your CPU load on your mind; the tps is another term (thoughts per second)..again these are all RT, trying to borrow some terms from usual physics world to create an analogy.
Suffering - no it doesn't exist in reality. And yes there is no good or no bad. Your thinking makes it so. e.g let's say a child got abused by an adult . She grows up and thinks that something wrong had been committed to her. The society supports her view and she too thinks so; she suffers. If she looks clearly, there is hardly any damage or hurt - it's just the idea, the thought that makes her suffer. About your brother, I said he doesn't have to suffer or not suffering. People around him, like you and your parents might keep telling him.. 'oh we are so sorry for you' kind of talks. The guy may be perfectly enjoying even doing nothing. The happiness is inside you; you can beg in the street and be drowning in bliss (knowing that you may starve to death or someone can feed you).
I mentioned a few RTs just to whet your appetite. It is not to make you beleive it. When you cross that bridge and know it for yourself, you will know that oh yeahh I have heard of this before, kind of feeling.
You seem to be in physics; so why electricity&magnetism was not discovered until 200 years ago. Intelligent brain probably was available for 100,000 years ago. The reason is the tickering was missing. First find a way to build up large static charge. Then find a way to create
Okay you first declined to accept my basic assertion that there are two kinds of Truths. Next to impossible to carry forward because that is the door thru' which I can lead you ahead. All your talk is about ST (scientific truth); what I talk about more is RT (religious truth). As a man of logic, you should've understood when I said RT is not for mind-to-mind communication. symbolic encoding/language cannot transmit an RT. It must be felt/experienced by a single mind/jiva/human/limited-being. It's very easy to shoot down an RT saying the person is imagining.
.. people call it Awareness..which is eternal -- again this is an RT; don't ask for proof, I can't trasmit it to you.
;and then see it disturb a magnetic compass. Who would've thought to get a curretn to flow and a get needle next to it. Similarly some spiritual practice, if you subject your body and mind to it, will let you experience new experiences. For me, I'm not interested in those experiences but to know the source of happine
Of course, I accept the research people like your wife have done/are doing. What their papers may say is like a drop in the ocean of the unknown space. Again words like 'evidence', 'Is it repeatable/reproducible', etc belongs in the domain of ST; not RT. It's in the very nature of RT that no one can show you an RT; except you find it yourself. And once you find it, you are kind of tongue tied - you can't make another human see it. You can utmost point the finger in that direction (like what I'm doing now; I don't claim that I have reached levels like ramana/osho, but atleast I'm open/mature enough to not label them as hallucinating)
About your brother or folks like them, how do you know they first have a problem? See for me a problem means, someone who can't experience bliss/happiness. If they can't find a job or manage to move their limbs correctly (for some definition of correctness), that doesn't mean they have an issue. Just because society/majority label someone has an issue (put the latest buzzword from the psychiatric department), doesn't mean the issue is real.
I don't believe in eternal life because it gives me comfort; I want to know the Truth; what is happening behind the scenes. I have had great peaks of happiness and deepest valleys of misery, that if I have to vanish into the void, I don't feel any regret - been there, done that from 5-senses experience point of view. What you say is things get recycled. Your body gets recycled. There is something
How do you explain things like that friend who suddenly got crazy ideas that his professor is poisoning him? If I tell you, your thoughts get streamed to you, would you believe. But again this is an RT.
Yes brain does pattern matching. But again the very basic thing is a thought. It's an atomic thing. Unless you decode and understand a single thought, whatever you build on top of it is like a castle in thin air. And why should collective agreement with a collection of minds should yield a better quality truth? on what basis? It's like taking a random 1024 bit number and asking a group of say 100 first primes to check if that number is prime. Just because these 100 agree and say, oh we can't divide it, doesn't make that number prime. Basically quantity doesn't mean quality.
chemicals in brain affect emotions only if you not highly aware. A highly evolved person (go to buddist monks, the real ones; or some real spiritual practice persons) can drink a lot of alcohol and still be totally alert. He can take drugs, still his mood/emotion won't change. That he is flies above these effects. He becomes a witness of whats happening. See unless you experiement with your own body and mind, you can't even confirm one RT. language is totally useless in RT; in fact it hinders. I don't see RT as something scary or mysterious. It's just that you have to experiment and find out for yourself. 200 years ago when electricity/magnetism was unknown... no body knew that you can create a current of charge
If you truly have an open mind and a keen alertness you will spot the diamonds among the glass beads. A person like Ramana lived in a cave for 7 years literally starving. In south-india advanced jivas care a damn about power/money; true some are on ego trips but there are true awakened souls. With good intellgence you can spot the 1 in a thousand/million who is not there to take a ride of others [btw in a bigger scheme of things, one person cheating a milllion is nothing wrong; the millions enjoy to get cheated.. who am i to tell them not to get cheated?]
..hey those guys are just imagining.. there is nothing there.. oh yeah you can live in the fantasy world for lot longer.
Your whole talk about brain and brain only controls emotions is as baseless as and as without proof as a fairies creating gravity. Did you enter into your brain and see these? Just because some scientist/PhD student desperate to come up with a paper, you believe these things? And are you sure after your body dies, you wont' be there? do you have proof for it? I tell you, when you die, you will watch your body just like you see your cloths when you remove them after work and lay it say on your bed. It will be just like that. Do you need to believe me? no, as I said, this is based on experience. When you hit life in its head, you will come to see those experiences. Those teachers I mentioned never asked anyone to believe them. They only tell there is something more. Osho says you need to experiment with yourself. It takes a zillion times more courage than to master say quantum physics or the reason for God-particle.
Do you know where your thoughts come from? Do you know what dreams are? you too just believe in some mumbo-jumbo that signals firing in a huge feedback loop of neural net in brain. And happiness has nothing to do with chemicals in brains. That you can call it with another name, hmm may be high [like under a chemical like cocaine, you can reach it temporarily]. Yes, if your limbs are say removed, you can still not suffer - it is possible. But as I said you need to be willing to explore. Do you think this vast infinite universe is dumb that it doesn't have secret doors and chambers? Again these are all in the realm of spiritual world. You enter here only when you are bored with the world. People typically take two paths - suicide or meditation. You can't kid yourself long that what you see thru' the 5 senses is all ther is. People try LSD/drugs but that too (the fun) wears off quickly. Only if you are a true seeker and have tremendous courage, it's likely you will even explore and succeed in the meditation path. If you think the folks who have walked those paths are all hallucinating and imagining, please carry on in your scientific world and sooner or later you will be bored (ie u r not dumbing down your awarense with substances like drugs/alcohol/ego-comparison games with fellow humans). Again from what I can say, only if someone is really hit hard in life they will even consider the new path. The hit must be like a bolt from the blue; nothing short of it will do the trick.
Your mind is like a CPU at 100% load. Lot of thoughts hit it. The Truth is behind these. Unless you reduce your CPu load, you can't see it. To reduce it is not easy at all. meditation will help you; this too won't work until you have given up utterly on the exteral world. The path is more scary than anything you can even imagine. Hence very few attempt. Of course if it helps to convince yourself that
Seems a hoax; CPU processes using electrons; sound travel is mechanical. air-molecules vibrating can never carry the bandwidth of the coil-whine (whatever that is, I assume a disturbance in air surrounding the electro-magnetic changes inside the CPU). Is it april 1?
meant to say "there is *no* fun in it" below " As you say, the higher intelligence could've programmed not to let you know the game (In east, it's called Leela.. a game.. a hide-n-seek game between limited and unlimited).. but then there is *no* fun in it"
There are two kind of Truths; scientific truths and religious truths. scientific truths is all physics, maths. Religious Truths is something each mind knows/feels within itself. It is not for mind to mind interaction. Of course humans hijacked religion for power-building and we know all the ill effects of major religions.
Utmost what you can communicate is thru' Silence (as stated before cannot be encoded in naama-roopa/symbols) Not sure why you didn't respond to my last paragraph -- because it talks about questions about religious Truth. There is no fun in knowing magnetic monopoles or not.. as you can see, the deeper you go, still deeper will be the mystery. It's pretty obvious as your read-resolution of cosmos increases so does new mysteries and new scientific/math models to explain. Each explanation becoming a super set of the previous one (like Eienstein over Newton regarding gravity/laws-of-motion)
also my problem is not about other mind/humans; who is torturing whom; which women is asked to cover with what cloths. Who is doing genocide; My problem is what makes me happy and where this happiness arises. Does understanding all math and physics will make me complete n happy. It's clear the answer is no. It explains things; repeatable etc. But what's the use? I doubt newton or einstein was a really happy person. But in places like India, folks like Osho, ramana maharishi, have found higher truths. It may look like a mad-man hallucinating for a physicists; but as I said you need to study the instrument (your head/mind) which is processing the signals from outside. If you believe in laws-of-physics (LoP); these LoP created the instrument itself (you man, thru' evolution), so if LoP wants to play tricks with you, it can. It can show what you can see; what you cannot see.
As you say, the higher intelligence could've programmed not to let you know the game (In east, it's called Leela.. a game.. a hide-n-seek game between limited and unlimited).. but then there is fun in it. The game is to solve the puzzle and realize that you have been tricked into believing something else as a reality. Again if you living within scientific truth, you will see these as mumbo-jumbo. Where science ends, religion starts they say. Again the word religion is abused a lot; I don't talk about organized/group formation religion. A truly religious man talks to the sky/clouds/birds not with fellow minds.
In west folks like Alan Watts, Eckart Tolle talk similar concepts. Yes, you can keep on living in physics/math world..but hey life is running. I need to know deeper Truth. I can't waste to looker deeper n deeper into an electron or atom or basically what my eyes/ears can perceive. From what I know.. only if you are truly desperate, you will take a U-turn and go along the Faith path. The logic will not let you leave. Again is there anything wrong in it, no, it's a game. 7 Billion are playing this game; based on where you in the game, you will take new path. Once you ask for a proof, you are still playing in one part of the field. There are lot of other areas, but you can enter there only if you stop asking for proof; it's called experience. You will experience it - if you tell that to someone they will call you mad or you have gone crazy. Basically only a Zero can relate to another Zero. You need to become a Zero. Awareness is the key and you can transcend above the stream of thoughts hitting you.
price control is a stop-gap solution. In fact if any anti-competitive behavior is taken out of the system, it will automatically do the right thing. When a cartel takes over all the supply, we see all kind of distortions. Why a landlord was able to jack up rents with UBI? because as a group, they control the supply; do collusion. They will let a lot of empty apartments sit vacant in market but won't drop price. And they will use all sorts of tactics to prevent new supply (construction -- I heard in NYC they want to stop sky-scrapers because they cast shadow into the central park! :) so you just need some excuse to stop new supply into your market).
If govt can ensure laws like anti-trust work to ensure anti-competitive practices are in check, science and technology will ensure everyone gets a higher standard of living.
and as others pointed out, with no need to work/commute, people can live in remote towns/villages; no need to be in metros where rents are sky high. "free" stuff may distort.. but if you think there is a real free market. you live in illusion. The ones already in the top, ensure how the market is played. You know how MS prevented linux like systems to take off until the arrival of Internet/servers. Of course the rich lobby n buy enough laws to ensure the anti-trust laws are just paper tigers.
True, just giving money won't solve; we assume a post-scarcity environment. That is there is abundance. A few landlords owning all apartments and keeping supply artificially low must be made illegal. And the items must have price controls. In countries like India, the price of petrol (gasoline) is fixed by the state - not controlled by market -- of course it tracks global oil market adjusting price every 15 days or so. Without such controls, what you say will happen. The money will be siphoned off by the rich (1% or 0.1%).
In south India, there is a state run PDS, public distribution system, which directly delivers food items like grains to families. It is near free. So instead of govt giving cash, it gives grains, fuel, even low cost housing. This way the vast majority of the poor is taken care of. Free market still runs for those who can afford. This way a stable society is maintained and there is not many without basic needs [again basic need is subjective. For someone having food and shelter is enough..for others they need running water, vehicle, electricty, internet, etc]
Not sure how AI is impacting my life today. Siri/voice recognition, I guess its' not even AI; but even if it is, it's not greatly enhancing my life. When steam-engine or electricity was discovered, they greatly enhanced human life (replace horse driven carts, electric motors to pump water). Any real world AI application that can help me today? the only thing I saw that I played with a few times is image recognition in google-photos (it was good/impressive). May be the self-driving vehicles could be a real application (the ones like beating a human in chess/go are not really enhancing someone's life compared to the steam-engines/electricity)
Very likely we are all in an infinite ladder of experience spaces...
Um, I do not think that this phrase means what you think it means...
Again is there any proof for this? no
...and here is why. Here is a question for you, and understanding the correct answer to it will change your life, in particular.
Is it better (in a logically, mathematically defendable sense) to believe in something for which there is evidence or to believe in something for which there is no evidence?
The answer is obvious for this case. How about a case for which there cannot be an evidence? or an evidence which cannot be encoded in symbols? (eastern spiritual calls it names-forms.. essentially you can't describe it using language or binary-code).
When you feel incomplete with the science explanation (evolving from hydrogen to self-replicating molecules to selfish-genes to phenotypes) for things like Happiness; you automatically gravitate towards explanations which first ask you to remove your life-jacket (logic/rationality). You have a choice - either stay put and wonder where is the answer or take the risk and explore.
Godel's incompleteness theorem states that even for a logical mathematical system there are Truths which cannot be proved or disproved within the system. Our brain using symbols/language is just a big logical machine (if you take the pure rational route). So there must be statements in it which are True but can't be proven (things like a force outside our brain .. actually your very thoughts are like packets sent down to you..again if you ask proof, I can't give it to you..no one can give it to you.. may be you can climb a mountain..watch the sun rise and in the quietness you may know it for yourself. The system is designed such that one mind cannot convey thru' symbols the Truth to another mind; each mind has to solve the puzzle by itself -- that's the fun/goal of the game).
This is a very serious question. If you want to read and understand the derivation of the answer you can read Jaynes' Probability Theory, the Logic of Science or Cox's The Algebra of Probable Inference, where Cox originally derived the answer from a small set of postulates that literally encode mere common sense.
Bear in mind that one can come up with a literal infinity of postulates concerning the nature of those "domains outside of logic" you wish to assert. How, precisely, can you select the ones that are best to believe in, especially when you put them "outside of logic"? You can't use logic to select between them by your own definition. You apparently don't understand the importance of evidence in choosing between them (or the necessity of logical consistency in whatever you choose when you are choosing the set that ultimately constitute your worldview, unless you want to build a worldview that is literally impossible to be correct). In the end, you will find yourself believing something just because you made it up or (worse) something somebody else made up, quite possibly to seduce your money and political power from you to advance their own personal agenda, carefully crafted to "sound nifty", without being able to defend your choice outside of asserting that they sound really cool so they must be true and sure, here's this week's offering, and who should I vote for that will enforce belief in this absurdity by law?.
That's the problem with turning off the reasoning power of your brain. It leads you to a world of fantasy, to a kind of madness, that makes you incredibly dangerous as you shape your life around pure imagination disconnected from the harsh and cruel realities of the real world, which does not give a shit about your imaginations of "men behind the curtain" that make it all work out.
Maybe there are such men, but without stating a coherent, logically consistent hypothesis a
apple falls; newton says it's due to gravity. He doesn't explain how gravity originated. That doesn't make his explanation of the apple fall flawed. You explain one link in a chain. If someone asks how the chain started, you can say no one started.. it just was there eternally - beginningless, endless and likely beyond reason/explanation. We can explain how we humans came about ..these thinking-machines; but that doesn't mean we are explaining the origin of all. Of course very likely there is no creator and the creation alone is; it is both the creator as well as the created.
Plato said that in his Allegory of the cave thousands of years ago; and eastern spiritualism is all about you being a stimulus receiver thru' 5 senses (like 5 RJ into a computer). Very likely we are all in an infinite ladder of experience spaces, like different levels of a video-game. You finish one level and graduate and go to another level and keep playing forever (again forever means time and that may not exist in other domains). Again is there any proof for this? no..in fact asking for proof itself is a sign of immaturity because proof is a tool which makes sense only with in a logical domain and there are domains outside logic.
I guess GOOG is there to make money; a small company depends on them - not vice-versa. In fact if an MBA there comes to know of this problem, he will see a revenue stream -- a fee for the trouble to remove an entry from a black-list. If there is any real problem, it's how a big powerful entity rules over a smaller one. I think this exists likely since the dawn of time.
For what it's worth, the problem was that the previous owners of our IP had got it into a secret blacklist (internal to Google), although we were clean on all of the hundreds of public blacklists I searched. Google are a menace to the public infrastructure. Even AOL behave better!
Hmmm.. you could've saved lot of time by trying different IP. I mean it's kind of hard to know this is the root cause (in hind sight yes); but hey you could've tried changing stuff which you have in control. Kinda turn on/off.. playing with settings. kinda debugging 101. See when stuck with a more powerful adversary what else you could do? you cant' keep pleading it to respond, you have to only change things in your end.
Google act as judge, jury, and executioner, in a secret trial; you can't see the evidence, you don't even know if you've been condemned, and there is no appeal. And they are fine with that.
Exactly like how Life works, I suppose
I guess here you can adjust the laws of physics if you wish. You can even game the system by making the ball go slow to you. Kinda play God if you wish; can't do this in table-tennis.
You can't do that in C;
qsort() is part of ANSI C standard library.
Isn't hitting a target 100's of miles precisely a military technology? I mean just imagine the cylinder carry exploive n the drone ship is an enemy target. So we are now in the time when a private company can own tech similar to ICBMs.
Why oh why do we need to actually see an antibiotics-resistant bacteria infect somebody before we'll acknowledge the blindingly obvious about to happen?
Because, Sir, we as a species are dumb.
And why stop there; why should one person privileged over another? just because he has a better brain/work-ethics/looks/family/contacts? If you truly believe this, then probably I can send you some charities contact so you can transfer some funds.
Oh..it's as though India asked for H1B and the US capitalists immediately obliged... It's done because the wall-street can make more money by bringing in the talent from India. It's based on pure greed. No altruism. And why India and not say congo? because due to imperialism, Indians can speak English and they also valued education a lot more than rest of the world for the past 50 years. US just reaped the harvest and what India had was a brain-drain.
May be they can use their personal touch screen - of their smart phone [ie hv an app which knows which store, what menu, etc.. yeah there is privacy issue..for some it may not be a big deal]
Which always brings me to my strange idea of economics. I think that we should have a concept of making people as wealthy as possible, not the present day death march of making as many people as possible as poor as possible.
Who is 'we'? The 'we' always wants a social/economic ladder where one can feel, I'm better than him/her. It's built into the human nature. Called comparison. So whatever you may do, we as a group, would like to see a lot of have-nots. It's like its' okay I lose one eye; if my neighbor can lose both...Sorry it may sound too cold.. but dig into the human psychology and the state of world today - that too given the amazing technological advance we made in the last 200/300 years (all the 1%.. 99% issue)