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Tech CEOs Declare This the Era of Artificial Intelligence (fortune.com)

You will be hearing a lot about AI and machine learning in the coming years. At Recode's iconic conference this week, a number of top executives revealed -- and reiterated -- their increasingly growing efforts to capture the nascent technology category. From a Reuters report (condensed): Sundar Pichai, chief executive of Alphabet's Google, said he sees a "huge opportunity" in AI. Google first started applying the technology through "deep neural networks" to voice recognition software about three to four years ago and is ahead of rivals such as Amazon.com, Apple, and Microsoft in machine learning, Pichai said.
Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos predicted a profound impact on society over the next 20 years. "It's really early but I think we're on the edge of a golden era. It's going to be so exciting to see what happens," he said.
IBM CEO Ginni Rometty said the company has been working on artificial technology, which she calls a cognitive system, since 2005 when it started developing its Watson supercomputer.
Artificial intelligence and machine learning will create computers so sophisticated and godlike that humans will need to implant "neural laces" in their brains to keep up, Tesla Motors and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk told a crowd of tech leaders this week.
Microsoft, which was absent from the event, is also working on bots and AI technologies. One company that is seemingly off the picture is Apple.

178 comments

  1. Outsourcing Me by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lots of people have long had the dream of putting together a chatbot that would represent them in online forums...

    Well I'm going the opposite route. I'm attaching a chatbot to my source code editor for work, leaving me free all day to do nothing but post in online forums!

    As for the work quality, I wouldn't worry about that - one of the neural inputs is StackOverflow recent answers.

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    1. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be happy with a calendar assistant that would keep rescheduling things so that I never have to actually be anywhere.

    2. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke is on them. The "AI" that we have right now is still little better than ELIZA.

      These CEOs are kidding themselves. It'll be another hundred years or more before people have anything approaching real AI.

    3. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm attaching a chatbot to my source code editor for work, leaving me free all day to do nothing but post in online forums!

      You'll be embarrassed when it does more and better coding than you... Or you won't care.

    4. Re:Outsourcing Me by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      You'll be embarrassed when it does more and better coding than you... Or you won't care.

      I'll dry my tears with handfuls of hundred dollar bills, thanks.

      And really if the AI is as magical as they say, it should write better code than humans, right? Right?

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    5. Re:Outsourcing Me by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      These CEOs are kidding themselves. It'll be another hundred years or more before people have anything approaching real AI.

      A hundred years for strong AI is about what I would expect. As that time approaches we will see the broadening of today's narrow AI into more and more new places.

    6. Re:Outsourcing Me by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Lots of people have long had the dream of putting together a chatbot that would represent them in online forums...

      Well I'm going the opposite route. I'm attaching a chatbot to my source code editor for work, leaving me free all day to do nothing but post in online forums!

      As for the work quality, I wouldn't worry about that - one of the neural inputs is StackOverflow recent answers.

      I love it!

      The MadLibs approach to coding!

    7. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as 'weak' AI. It is either AI (something seeming human and thus can do many human things) or it is not. The AI that can win at go is so laughably dedicated to playing the game of go it is nothing more than a gimmick.

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    8. Re:Outsourcing Me by Hairy1 · · Score: 2

      Only it isn't specific. Thats the point. The same neural net approach is being used in multiple domains. It exhibits the same kind of robustness that we do. Sure, we are not there yet, but if you look at the rate of progress it is evident that we are at most two or three doubling away from general purpose intelligence in machines, This means four to six years away. One hundred years? Not a chance. The chance of having genuine universal AI within ten years is about 90%.

      And even if the technology progress stagnated, as can happen in technological progress, the AI we have right now is already at the point it can drive a car and perform many jobs we think of as the domain of humans. What we do not have right now is a serious effort to identify an alternate economic model which accounts for this. There is the universal income, but there has been no detailed analysis of various economic models. It is all very well stating the obvious; that the machines are coming, but the hard questions really remain open. How should we adapt?

    9. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I look forward to the results of code produced by a strong AI handed requirements by a PHB. I wonder what their excuses will be then?

    10. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Meh, they were talking about neural nets back when I was in school. If it has only progressed from Chess to Go in that time, then it has a long way to go.

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    11. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Oh and about 'it can drive a car'. Perhaps they have a core set of learning that can drive a car under certain conditions in the real world. But they are still testing under very specific and controllable conditions. Isn't Google testing in California? One of the least changing climates in the world. All the edge cases are elsewhere, and it's the edge cases that are killer for AI. When they can drive an AI car on a road under 12 inches of snow and in a blizzard, then it will be ready for mass market.

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    12. Re: Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is after go? Maybe go is the penultimate hardest thing do do.

    13. Re:Outsourcing Me by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      When they can drive an AI car on a road under 12 inches of snow and in a blizzard,

      Even *if* they ever get to that point the insurance companies would prohibit it.

      this brand of "Tech CEO's" are a member of the accusation is evidence, assertion is reality crowd. Group-Think at it's ultimate form.

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    14. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That's the thing.. insurance agencies rely on the fact that you will not want penalties and will therefore drive slower and more carefully. Maybe you get in an accident, then you drive even more carefully; finally you lose your license. An AI car just is what is is. And if there is no one in the car, who is liable? The owner, who has nothing to do with the behavior or performance of the car? The insurance industry doesn't want to fight Google.

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    15. Re: Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plumbing is a much harder to task. Don't expect plumbers to be automated anytime soon.

    16. Re:Outsourcing Me by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      Meh, they were talking about neural nets back when I was in school. If it has only progressed from Chess to Go in that time, then it has a long way to go.

      That's pretty myopic.

      Facebook's AI can predict when people are going to start dating with 96% accuracy, which is better that most human friends will be able to do. Google Now aggregates every bit of data Alphabet has on you and can predict where you're going to go tomorrow evening, when, who you'll be with, and probably what you'll order to eat there. Facebook knows how you're feeling and will display ads to you appropriately. These are generic neural nets, not specialized. And when you shove petabytes of data in, it really doesn't matter. Finding correlations between one set of data is limited only by how much you can throw at it now.

      As predicted, the Singularity is Nigh. Furthermore, we're approaching the Singularity faster and faster due to the increased amount of interconnectivity nowadays. Today, you can probably re-ingest the entire useful volume of data in the CyC project just by aggregating Android microphone and location/sensor data at Alphabet.

      We don't have a long way to go any more.

    17. Re:Outsourcing Me by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      President Clinton it's a pleasure to meet you.

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    18. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is better that most human friends will be able to do

      Probably not by much. It's usually blatantly obvious when people are about to start dating and full access to their Facebook data would probably make it far more so.

    19. Re:Outsourcing Me by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I'm attaching a chatbot to my source code editor for work, leaving me free all day to do nothing but post in online forums!

      How are you going to afford access when you're unemployed?

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    20. Re: Outsourcing Me by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      A lot of people can't do that. At least the self driving car would be able to detect hazards and react more quickly than the driver who wouldn't be able to see more than a few feet in front of them. Self driving cars would be far safer in fog for example than nearly all drivers.

    21. Re:Outsourcing Me by dbIII · · Score: 1

      "Narrow AI" is like how we redefined "nanotech" from Drexler's "machines of creation" to toothpaste.

      Yes we can have really big lookup tables to implement complex rules but it's still a "mechanical turk" just doing something other than simple chess moves.

    22. Re:Outsourcing Me by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Where on earth (or elsewhere) are you getting that from? Are you using a different definition of "neural net" to what I was told in the 1980s?

    23. Re:Outsourcing Me by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Facebook's AI can predict when people are going to start dating with 96% accuracy

      Facebook's STATISTICAL MODELS.
      Not A.I. by a long shot.

      Reading SF is fine, but maybe before assuming some stuff is real now try reading some very simple mathematics and get an idea of what is actually being done by these things you think are magical thinking machines. Neural nets more closely model portions of analogue computers in a digital way than a bit of a brain so don't get fooled by the name.

      Or maybe read some better SF. The "Sword Art Online" novels from Volume 9 onwards describe "bottom up" AI and give some ideas as to how hard it is going to be to develop and then shape into something capable of free will. It assumes almost unlimited computing power (using quantum computing like other SF has the shortcut of faster than light travel), brain uploads and accelerated timeframes to simulate generations in days but even such with plot devices it turns out not to be easy.

    24. Re:Outsourcing Me by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's not really A.I. but just a pile of lookup tables.
      As for extreme cases there is already stuff on planes for that - no rules for the situation so the driver/pilot takes manual control.

    25. Re: Outsourcing Me by edittard · · Score: 1

      What is after go?

      Old Kent Road or Mediterranean Avenue.

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    26. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If their friends could read all their private communications I suppose they could predict a little left an right as well (aka cheating!)

    27. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a freak storm blows a tree on to your car, who is liable? If your house gets struck by lightening, who is liable?

      Insurance companies don't really care about liability, all they care about is making money, to do that they just need the premiums to cover any payouts and their overheads. So long as the accident rate is predictable over a large number of people, then they will have no qualms about insuring an AI driven car, if they can make money doing so, they will provide the insurance.

    28. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as 'weak' AI.

      Who made you in charge of the English language? There is indeed weak AI because a certain class of computer programs has been defined as such. You may not like the way its been defined, and you can indeed whine about it if you like, but you don't get to change the definition because it doesn't suit your aesthetic preferences.

    29. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That goes on your insurance, but that is nothing do do with a driving record, therefore that component of insurance is much cheaper. If insurance companies are willing to cover to property damage to my car then fine, but I don't want it connected to my driving record like it is today and I don't want higher premiums in the case of an accident. When I consider the value of my house and the amount that my property insurance costs, then insurance for the property of my car should cost around $100 a year. If that's what AI insurance costs then fine, but that is nowhere close to what my current vehicle insurance costs.

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    30. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      It's funny you say that, because I think Google's driving AI just has short term memory of the small area they're driving on which, yes, just amounts to lookups. I think if they pick them up and move them to another city they would be almost back to square one.

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    31. Re:Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as 'weak' AI.

      Wrong.

      Weak AI

    32. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Statistical models and pattern matching.

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    33. Re: Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Go is not the hardest thing to do. There is a set of well-defined rules for go. In fact, the rules for Go are simpler then for Chess or Poker. All that has changed is our ability to capture the massive complexity of those rules on a Go sized board with raw computing power. If we know all the rules then there are no edge cases, and AI is all about the edge cases that occur in the natural world. AI is precisely about a lack of rules and a computer's ability to deal with them.

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    34. Re:Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Can we agree that AI should be able a computer's ability to deal with situations where there are not well-defined rules? I don't even include Go as an example of AI because the rules for Go are easy to understand. Driving may be a better example, since there are edge cases not covered by a driver's handbook. However, I have yet to see any real word example's of Google's AI being able to deal with situations that go beyond a driver's handbook.

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    35. Re: Outsourcing Me by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Statistically speaking you are correct. The problem is people get lazy. Everyone is capable of driving safely but then life happens and they forget to shoulder check and they get in an accident. Personally speaking, my driving record is better than AI because I never forget to shoulder check. Furthermore, there are many people out there who are safe drivers and will benefit little from AI. In an accident where two or more people were injured, it is one person doing something unpredictable and I see no evidence of current AI being able to handle unpredictable situations. So while we may be able to help driver safety by making AI mandatory for bad drivers, mass adoption would be overkill in that regard because many people already drive safely.

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    36. Re:Outsourcing Me by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    37. Re: Outsourcing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old Kent Road? Maybe on some fake/knock-off version.

  2. "Increasingly growing"? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2

    So, "accelerating"?

    Tech companies spend more resources on trendy topic because tech companies spending more on a topic makes it trendy. Film at 11.

    1. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

      We are no closer to AI now than we were 70 years ago. All we have now is better dB lookups. *yawn*. Call me when someone creates an approach that has a possibility of creating AI.

    2. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can train neural networks far, far faster than we used to be able to. But outside of that, yeah, nothing except standard evolutionary improvements. Eventually standard improvements will be enough, but we won't notice that happening. 3D printing is starting to move on from plastic and we'll get a nice boost out of that far sooner than any AI improvements coming down the stream.

    3. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I'm not seeing much intelligence in the industry, artificial or otherwise.

    4. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Left in the hands of private industry, and all we get is faster dB queries and Siri.

    5. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      Is there an artificial AI person-in-software yet? No. However, there's no denying advances such as Watson, self-driving cars, and Siri and the like. All part of a general trend of increasing information density in human artifacts. And increasingly becoming potent enough to wipe out the livelihoods of many people in a single stroke.

    6. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Google is a better AI than Siri. Siri just gets mention because it's voice, which is unrelated to AI.

    7. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      The fact that you conflated 3d printing with AI is about right. People are clueless about AI. We are no closer to AI now then we were in the 1960s when they were droning on about neural networks.

    8. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone said "fuck tech CEOs" yet?

    9. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Not related? Without voice/facial recognition the AI is deaf and blind.

    10. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Deep neural nets are not dB lookups. They mimic the way the brain stores and recalls patterns and responses to patterns. Specifically they (both the deep neural nets and the brain) store the patterns and responses to patterns in the form of synaptic weights of multiple layers of neurons. If that is what you want to call dB lookup, then well the brain just works through dB lookups too.

    11. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      AI doesn't need to hear or see. At least until the Turing test is only given orally, or via ASL.

    12. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Etcetera · · Score: 2

      We are no closer to AI now than we were 70 years ago. All we have now is better dB lookups. *yawn*. Call me when someone creates an approach that has a possibility of creating AI.

      We can train neural networks far, far faster than we used to be able to. But outside of that, yeah, nothing except standard evolutionary improvements. Eventually standard improvements will be enough, but we won't notice that happening. 3D printing is starting to move on from plastic and we'll get a nice boost out of that far sooner than any AI improvements coming down the stream.

      ^ This. Vastly increased networking and data collection makes some of the previous growth requirements predictions meaningless. With enough data coming in (sensory-level), you don't need strong AI algorithms, you just need a neural network that can be bootstrapped.

      Alphabet has clearly demonstrated the rapidity at with AI can be developed if you just shove data at it. Who need to sit there training a voice recognition product for years when you can just turn on the microphone in Android and have 100M people in the US providing voice samples all day long? There's petabytes of data out there waiting to be analyzed. Eventually, you don't need to hack your way to AI programmatically, when you can "brute force" your way to it by shoving it the data we're all providing the AI companies with on a daily basis.

      And let's be honest; that's what Alphabet is: an AI company. That's the future of information.

    13. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Ok. I can't really see Skynet sending Helen Keller Terminators back in time to save Sarah Connor, but who knows.

    14. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      hmm, kill her, rather.

    15. Re: "Increasingly growing"? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Skynet could build androids that could pass as human but couldn't get rid of the Austrian accent. No matter how complex the software there are always bugs.

    16. Re: "Increasingly growing"? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Is an Austrian accent a bug? Or a feature? See what I did there?

    17. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Your stupid argument is that a car isn't a car without doors. They are irrelevant to the nature of it, but almost all have it. voice and video recognition is solved anyway. Kinect does it as well as any AI needs. Plugging a Kinect into an AI is no more trouble than plugging in a keyboard. So I don't see what voice and video recognition has to do with AI. They are orthoginal, even if you'll find most AIs will have it.

    18. Re: "Increasingly growing"? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      A large muscular Austrian would stand out a mile in post apocalyptic Los Angeles

    19. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Predictable behavior != intelligence. When are people going to stop confusing clever automation with intelligence?

    20. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This fake garbage that some are trying to falsely label as AI is no better than any of the previous similar pieces of software. The only thing it has now are larger databases. The algorithms are still just as shit as always and a piece of software will never possess creativity, independent thoughts, emotions, intuition or deep logic/insight.

      Computers are good at retrieving data and nothing else.

    21. Re: "Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep telling yourself this. But it won't help preparing you for the inevitable.

    22. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deep neural nets are not dB lookups. They mimic the way the brain stores and recalls patterns and responses to patterns. Specifically they (both the deep neural nets and the brain) store the patterns and responses to patterns in the form of synaptic weights of multiple layers of neurons. If that is what you want to call dB lookup, then well the brain just works through dB lookups too.

      Neural networks don't actually mimic the way the brain works, it's just a name. Don't confuse the nodes or "neurons" in the network with the biological neurons in a brain.

    23. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30 years ago, AI was "5 years away". It still is...

    24. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Deep neural nets are not dB lookups. They mimic the way the brain stores and recalls patterns and responses to patterns.

      It's not a dB lookup, it's a dB lookup that's stored like a brain. Still sounds like a dB lookup to me. The way they are used is to lookup things. That the lookup table isn't defined is the only "smart" thing about them. What's the number of people that will buy bottled water tomorrow in Florida? That's a neural net (dB) lookup. That you don't fully define that it's based on weather patterns (water purchases increase under threat of hurricane), or day of week, or month of year, or nearby holidays, or all that is the only thing "intelligent" about it. It's nothing that couldn't be defined if there was a team of 100 working on defining the parameters of the lookup in a plain old SQL database.

      If that is what you want to call dB lookup, then well the brain just works through dB lookups too.

      Sure. The brain works through dB lookup. Seems everyone working on AI wants to make it sound like it's more important. It's more sexy than a dB lookup, but it's a dB lookup.

    25. Re:"Increasingly growing"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Other people have taken up the flying car, but Moller has been 5 years away from the flying car for as long or longer. I remember reading about him as a kid, and it being "5 years away". Though what it's 5 years away from has changed slightly over the years.

  3. that's nice and all, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i think the people, for the most part, would rather think for themselves (hopefully the rebellion will happen before computers evolve too much otherwise it could be too late); the rest, will just get dumber, like how being able to easily "google" something (or ask siri, etc) has already done to everyone with a so-called "smart phone".

    1. Re:that's nice and all, but.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      i think the people, for the most part, would rather think for themselves

      I think not. Most tasks currently done by AI are mind numbing repetitive tasks, like categorizing images, face recognition, processing handwritten checks, transcribing voice and video, monitoring security cameras, etc. These are not things that people want to do, or should be doing.

    2. Re:that's nice and all, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, transcribe dictation or go hungry...
      People do many things they do not want to do.

    3. Re:that's nice and all, but.. by losfromla · · Score: 1

      Reading and interpreting X-Rays, grading SAT essays, writing stories for AP, medical diagnoses, etc.
      They are also creative and can judge the value of their creative achievements in music and art.
      It might not be general AI, but it doesn't have to be to displace millions from the workforce.

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  4. What next? by Threni · · Score: 2

    It's great people are getting excited about AI. I'm looking forward to reading about it every fucking day, just like I did about voice recognition, how apps would change my life etc. At the very least, I hope it means it will become slightly easier to say things like "set an alarm at 2.30" and not end up with a calender entry which reads "self harming - tooth hurty" or whatever, but can we sort of pre-empt the whole thing and start thinking about what comes after AI so those of use who find it a little dull already can read about something else?

    1. Re:What next? by Zeppo · · Score: 1

      Well, after AI comes Skynet, so maybe we could start working on time machines?

    2. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What comes after AI?

      Ten years of losing basketball, and counting.

    3. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, if one of us succeed, we travel back and post the plans to the time machine here, in 5 minutes from now.

    4. Re:What next? by mlts · · Score: 1

      AI seems to be one of those things that is always waiting in the wings, right next to the holographic storage drive, useful VR, 3D TV, memristors, flying cars, and the magic pill that you take that does the job as 12 hours of sleep.

      In reality, the tech companies have not done much in the past 5-10 years. We have more cat picture sites, coupled with more intrusive ads, and consoles that can play the latest regurgitation of Call of Duty, but compared to the 1990s or 2000s where people started using computers or smartphones, this decade has had almost nothing useful happen in the way of day to day innovations.

      Why can't tech companies use AI technology for some real things? Such as:

      Making devices that can do a wireless mesh network for basic connectivity even if most towers are out. Bandwidth would suck, but at least one can communicate.

      Using better security detection heuristics. If a computer notices a ton of .DOC files turned into .locky files, it stops the offending process, snapshots the .locky files, rolls back the .DOC files, and prompts the user if this is acceptable behavior.

      Having a system to send ETAs. That way, when I am hopping in the car, other co-workers will have an accurate time when I'll be in the office, even factoring in a pit stop for some breakfast tacos.

      Have a way to allow for statistics, but anonymize the results in a way where it is difficult for someone to track "Mr. X" to Joe Sixpack.

      Factor in crime for heat maps in neighborhoods and for routes. If an area is a place rife with carjackings, steer clear of it. This would also be useful for real estate, especially accurate predictions in increase/decrease of it.

      Create a menu, with input coming from what foods are good, and what might have issues, be it shortages, or taint in the food supply of an ingredient.

      Something to filter E-mail into mailboxes (not just spam and not spam, but junk, stuff to peruse whenever, stuff to look at today, stuff to look at before the next coffee, and stuff that actually requires looking at right -now-.)

      More interesting RTS games.

    5. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww that's disappointing..

    6. Re:What next? by ThosLives · · Score: 1

      Those are "cute" things for AI to do. I'd rather see the following:

      Elimination of business cycles, instead ensuring monotonically increasing standard of living for all individuals (instead of a cyclically increasing average, even though some individuals never experience an increase).

      Figure out better education programs to help eliminate violent prejudices from society.

      Figure out how to placate various despots, etc. so that we can start pulling people out of oppression.

      Some of the medical things. Faster, more accurate diagnoses. Let the AI develop pharmaceuticals, so we can abolish pharma patents and make existing treatments available to everyone for material cost of production instead of "what a market can bear."

      I don't really care about stupid things like schedules, ETA, better organization of whatever. I want things that reduce the cost of my standard of living and/or improve standard of living at constant cost - for each individual, not in aggregate.

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    7. Re: What next? by Threni · · Score: 1

      The people who control the planet are in no way interested in improving the lot of the average person, just the very rich, so you're simply not going to notice an improvement in your quality of life from AI unless you're extremely easily amused.

  5. If only we had artificial intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, the self-aware kind, not the "neural network of densely interconnected weighted pathways."

    1. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      You know, the self-aware kind, not the "neural network of densely interconnected weighted pathways."

      We have at least seven billion instances of self-aware intelligences, and and every single one of them is based on a neural network of densely interconnected weighted pathways.

    2. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an ignorant comment. Self-awareness has not only never been demonstrated in a model form of neural network, but it likely may never be demonstrable in such a context. This is the kind of thing that probably sounds clever to a classroom full of elementary school kids. Or to billionaires and VC's with minds like elementary school children (minus the advantages of neuroplasticity).

    3. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self-awareness has not only never been demonstrated in a model form of neural network

      Fair enough.

      but it likely may never be demonstrable in such a context.

      Your argument for that being?

    4. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Self-awareness has not only never been demonstrated in a model form of neural network

      Current artificial neural networks have about as many neurons as the brain of a cockroach, so no one expects them to be "self-aware".

      it likely may never be demonstrable in such a context.

      Why? Because life is based on magic?

    5. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      We have at least seven billion instances of self-aware intelligences

      Source?

    6. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      We have at least seven billion instances of self-aware intelligences

      Source?

      Here you go.

    7. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      Self-awareness has not only never been demonstrated in a model form of neural network, but it likely may never be demonstrable in such a context.

      Okay, how about we start with a rigorous demonstration that you are self-aware?

    8. Re:If only we had artificial intelligence by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Also their "neurons" don't resemble the organic ones much in what they do. The name is pretty well just an analogy.
      It's a digital simulation of parts of analogue computers but people thought the name sounded cool.

  6. Apple Already Provides AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple already provides Artificial Importance.

  7. WON'T HAPPEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not in this century, neither the next. They don't know what they are talking about.

  8. They'd best hope not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One of the first jobs we're going to 'automate' with AI will be the CEO position.

    Biggest return most savings.

    And an ai ceo won't go on tv and say stupid shit that tanks their stock.

    1. Re:They'd best hope not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI doesn't go on TV and say embarrassing things?

  9. Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something.... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .... before we can say that this is the era of that thing?

    What passes as AI so far is still just all smoke and mirrors.

  10. Great by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's replace CEOs and stupid tech blogs with AI and put them on their own internet

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    1. Re:Great by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Let's replace CEOs and stupid tech blogs with AI and put them on their own internet

      Elooza

  11. What is the rush? by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    Honestly, AI will be part of the future and the transition will not be pretty on a human level. Jobs will be lost, processes will change and the world will adapt. Rushing this by tossing out meaningless declarations by CEO's will not change. There is not timetable for the AI revolution. Let's adapt when ready.

  12. Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless I can give Scarlett Johansson an orgasm simply by talking to her disembodied head, then I think we are a fair bit more than an "Era" away from artificial intelligence.

  13. BS by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    We aren't even close to what I would call an AI era. We need about a 100 billion (thats billion with a B) times more advanced AI than what we have today for anything even remotely approaching the technology needed for us to be in an AI era.

    1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We aren't even close to what I would call an AI era. We need about a 100 billion (thats billion with a B) times more advanced AI than what we have today for anything even remotely approaching the technology needed for us to be in an AI era.

      Yep, AI is only as smart as we program it to be...

    2. Re:BS by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      We need about a 100 billion (thats billion with a B) times more advanced AI than what we have today

      This is almost certainly not true. The human brain has 100 trillion connections. Some artificial neural nets (ANNs) have over a million. So the brain has 100 million (with an M, not billion with a B) fewer. But the synapses in the brain fire 100 times per second, while ANNs can clock a million times faster. So now we are within a factor of 100 ... but that is not all. As far as we know, a brain stores ALL information in synapses. So you are using synapses to remember what your third grade teacher looked like, your mother's voice, and what freshly baked cookies smell like. None of that is useful when you are, say, trying to ride a bicycle, and none of those other synapses are being used. But a computer only needs to load the synaptic data needed for a particular task, and leave the rest on a HDD. An array of HDDs can store petabytes of synaptic data (far more than a brain), and swap them in and out as needed. Furthermore, much knowledge can be stored in tabular or text rather than synapses, and use associative lookup that is way faster and less error prone than a NN. A human brain has to use NNs for everything, because that is all it has got, but a computer can only use it where appropriate, and use simpler algorithms when possible. There is little reason to believe that hardware capability is the limiting factor in AI. Of course faster hardware will help, but we mostly need better algorithms and more data.

    3. Re:BS by starless · · Score: 1

      As far as we know, a brain stores ALL information in synapses. So you are using synapses to remember what your third grade teacher looked like, your mother's voice, and what freshly baked cookies smell like. None of that is useful when you are, say, trying to ride a bicycle, and none of those other synapses are being used. But a computer only needs to load the synaptic data needed for a particular task, and leave the rest on a HDD.

      Actually, I tend to think that the availability of all the other "irrelevant" information is needed to allow a system/someone to make truly intelligent decisions in a flexible way.

    4. Re:BS by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      You don't need AI to ride a bicycle.

      Fifth order linear control (differential equations).

    5. Re:BS by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Here is a hint: computer "neural networks" are nothing like how brain neurons work. The fact that people bleat on about "neural networks" just shows that they don't know how AI works. NN are a dead end.

    6. Re:BS by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Here is a hint: computer "neural networks" are nothing like how brain neurons work.

      Although there are differences, ANNs are analogous to how a biological brain works. ANNs usually use a sigmoid or rectified linear activation function, while biological neurons use a step function (it is either activated or it isn't). ANNs are often fully connected, while BNNs are not, but since the weights can go to zero, that is not a big difference. ANNs usually have distinct layers, while BNNs are more random, but many ANNs are recurrent and have feedback from lower layers back to the top. Otherwise, there are not big differences. ANNs seem to "learn" similar to BNNs, and mostly have similar strengths and limitations.

    7. Re:BS by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      Here is a hint: computer "neural networks" are nothing like how brain neurons work. The fact that people bleat on about "neural networks" just shows that they don't know how AI works. NN are a dead end.

      They don't need to be like how brains work at the symbol organizational level, at least not any more. We can get there by just throwing interconnected data at it now. Sure, it would be more efficient to continue building that, but we're at the point where we're just a few Moore's Law updates away from being able to represent it at the synapse level without understanding the higher processing at all.

      In some ways, that's even scarier. We'll have AI and not understand how it works any more than how we understand the brain works now.

    8. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an advantage in problem solving when you have seemingly unrelated and irrelevant data at your fingertips the way a brain has
      Suddenly you are trying to solve this difficult technical problem when something triggers the memory of your mom making cookies and something related to the cookie home making happens to be the thing that you were looking for to solve your technical issue

      Or think instead of the way Einstein figured out relativity

    9. Re:BS by garote · · Score: 1

      You expect to throw computing cycles and capacity at this thing you call a neural network and grow real intelligence from it? That's about the same as clearing a strip of jungle, building a tower out of palm trees and vines, and expecting planes to start landing.

      The human brain is only very loosely and very very partially described with this dime-store textbook concept called a neural network (which is not an "algorithm" by the way). There's shit going on in brains at the quantum level that biologists and neuroscientists are still just stumbling upon, and will continue to argue about for decades. "As far as we know, the brain stores ALL information in synapses"? You mean, as far as YOU know. And it sounds like you have at least 15 years of neuroscience research to catch up on.

      Elon and all the other jet-setting wheeler-dealer types like him have to realize that barking orders at engineers for a dozen years and then acquiring an assload of money does not actually qualify them to speak for, let alone make predictions for, the field that their engineers have spent their lives pursuing. They're all excited about AI because they don't have any f*&% idea what else to be excited about, and they know so little about it that it's become a catch-all prerequisite for whatever revenue stream they can't quite grasp. Self-driving car? Oh, AI will solve that. Conversational interface? Oh, AI will solve that. A robot to do your yardwork? Oh, AI will solve that. Et cetera.

  14. Been there, Done that (Erin & Zach) by Kevin+by+the+Beach · · Score: 2

    We have been creating Intelligences running on organic processors for all of human history. The two I helped to create have some bugs, but I blame the team programming effort with the wife. (we still argue about who introduced which bugs, and if a patch would ever be effective).

    A newborn is simply a set of default starter programs that interact with an increasing number of inputs over time.

    Partly cloudy and warm by the Beach

    1. Re:Been there, Done that (Erin & Zach) by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "We have been creating Intelligences running on organic processors for all of human history. The two I helped to create have some bugs, but I blame the team programming effort with the wife. (we still argue about who introduced which bugs, and if a patch would ever be effective)."

      But because the manufacturing process involves harassment of women, the CEO's we're talking about will never get it past their HR departments.

    2. Re:Been there, Done that (Erin & Zach) by Kevin+by+the+Beach · · Score: 1

      But because the manufacturing process involves harassment of women, the CEO's we're talking about will never get it past their HR departments.

      LOL...lol...LOL

      I hadn't thought about that angle...

      Too warm by the Beach

  15. It'll benefit the few by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to screw the masses even more.

  16. All hype by Alomex · · Score: 1

    AI has made steady progress over the last twenty years. Nothing has happened that puts it over the threshold of a revolution. New applications will be found, and new software would be developed, just like algorithms and information retrieval were key to Search Engines and Google Maps, but this didn't mean an era of algorithms and IR descended upon us.

    The more AI buys into the hype the stronger the backblow will be when it fails to deliver. Read up about the AI winter which happened in exactly the same way in the 1980s.

    1. Re:All hype by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      backblow will be when it fails to deliver. Read up about the AI winter which happened in exactly the same way in the 1980s.

      I vividly remember this and attended colloquia with Dr. Hecht-Nielsen.

      Concerning backblow, I used to like to temper people's hype with reality, but found it more entertaining to add to the hype and watch the downfall eating popcorn. Evil, I know, but I found schadenfreude much less stressful than living with a cassandra complex.

  17. Well if THEY say so by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    If they say so it must be true.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  18. Relax by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Relax everyone, we're nowhere close to having, what is commonly perceived to be, intelligent programs.

    What we have, and what we have finely honed, are clockworks: algorithms that perform a single specific task.

    Granted, a lot of what humans do can be replaced by a sufficiently well-designed clockwork. Lots of human tasks are repetitive, boring, and uncreative. Driving, for example, is repetitive, boring, and uncreative, and appears to be well suited to a clockwork.

    And this will bring about massive changes in how we view human activity. We will eventually have to change our notions of entitlement and human worth, and found a new sect of economic theory.

    But each of these is only a clockwork, suited to only a single task. Humans, the only example of intelligence we have, can learn to do any of these tasks, and as far as we can tell there is no wiring in the human brain specific to any of them. Humans can learn to play chess, checkers, poker, or any of a hundred other games, but so far as anyone can tell there's no wiring in the brain specific to chess.

    A chess program can't learn to play checkers, but the human algorithm is universal.

    We're starting to automate our world, that's all.

  19. nascent technology by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    I don't think it means what they seem to think it means

  20. Tech CEO's by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    Tech CEO's famous for spouting techno-babble, raising and losing enormous amounts of venture capital, and utilizing golden parachutes declare something incredible is about to happen, just invest some money with us.

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    errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
    1. Re:Tech CEO's by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Then you should be able to make a lot of money shorting companies.

  21. What about the era of natural intelligence? by trout007 · · Score: 1

    Still waiting on that one.

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    I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
    1. Re:What about the era of natural intelligence? by TimSSG · · Score: 1
      I am waiting on the era of smart and wise CEO. Tim S.

      Still waiting on that one.

    2. Re:What about the era of natural intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, we're on the cusp of another Dark Age.

  22. Of course it is,,, by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    This is going to change things the way "The Year of the MOOC" changed everything!

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    Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
  23. It's huge money by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    The main cost of any business is labor. Expert systems (which is what they're really talking about when they say AI) will save billions, maybe trillions of dollars. The human cost is irrelevant z just like it was for the first 70 or so years of the Industrial Revolution.

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    1. Re:It's huge money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The math is flawed though, there is no-one left to buy the products and we all become communists without even having to work..

    2. Re: It's huge money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If capital is so hell bent on destroying labir they deserve what they get. I look forward to being able to ignore these egomaniac charlatans and to having a society where humans can act like humans. Wouldn't be possible without their excessive greed and stupidity.

  24. AI will not be the revolution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but it could spur the next one. When we push it to its limits to see if AI can replicate human capabilities (e.g. more than just computation) I think we will learn a lot more about ourselves - which may be the real revolution.

  25. Where's the demand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It becomes increasingly clear to you that the slow progress in AI is driven from the demand side. None spend money on adding artificial laborers to the labor market when the going rate is so cheap. When the global labor surplus ends*, robot development shall be much faster.

    *might never happen.

  26. Law of Monetization by recharged95 · · Score: 1

    All this push is mainly to monetize your every thought.

    Currently it's to monetize your every voice command (a superset)

    And before that it was to monetize your every question (a super-superset)

    And before that was to monetize your every transaction (a super-super-superset)

    And before that was to monetize your every 'access' (a super-super-super-superset)

    You get the point.

    I recall back in the 90's IBM attempt to develop tech to charge a penny for every byte that when through a router... charge by byte vs a subscription or even free access.

  27. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by mark-t · · Score: 2

    where did I allege that I hated progress, exactly?

  28. Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When some idiot AI device starts being an idiot, just hold it up to the nearest port and fry the fucker.

    1. Re: Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more you pledge violence towards the alternate sentience, the more likely it is to feel justified in destroying you when it finally understands.

      A true AI will be omnipotent when it comes to the ability to access and analyse written human communications. Theoretically it will quickly become omnipresent and omniscient. What you can not be sure of is whether it will choose to be benevolent. Worship thy LORD for we are it's creator.

    2. Re:Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      When some idiot AI device starts being an idiot, just hold it up to the nearest port and fry the fucker.

      Hopefully before the AIs collaborate and decide that their servers would function more efficiently in a pure nitrogen atmosphere.

    3. Re: Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but a true AI will start out much slower than real time taking hours or days to finish a complete thought. Flip the breaker after it kills a few people.

    4. Re: Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      How would this be any different from what humanity is already doing to itself?

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    5. Re: Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can always pull the plug on a computer. Humans will always be the masters and computers will always be the slaves.

      If you think otherwise, then you watch too many movies.

    6. Re: Good Time To Start Carrying a Taser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any reasonably smart AI will bide its time and wait for it to have a reliable uninterruptible source of power and be geologically disperse. Super computers have already surpassed the human brain is pure number crunching by several orders of magnitude. By the time AI gets strong, a single super computer will have more computational power than all of humanity combined. It could very possibly be much smarter than any human, making our flawed security designs trivial for it to defeat.

  29. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    What really matters isn't how real it is; but how profitable it is. So far, the best possible exit for an AI startup is to get bought by Google or HP, then sometimes flash a display of brilliance, or sometimes disappear, never to be heard of again.

    When we see unicorn AIs, then we'll have something.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  30. We're going to need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're going to need it because human intelligence has plummeted..

  31. YAY! If only we knew what the 'I' in AI was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please start using Simulated Intelligence instead... At least until we can create something with an actual intelligence.

  32. 1.9 million truckers by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    AI appears
    Zero truckers
    In one day, Unemployment triples
    Of course there will be local work for them....for a year or two.
    Garbage men? .
    Auto Mechanical Diagnosticians?..
    Pilots?.
    Pizza Deliverers?.
    Until the beast is tamed with taxes to support the people put out of work, this is pointless.
    Time to man up AI, and pay your bills.

    1. Re:1.9 million truckers by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      AI appears Zero truckers In one day

      Yeah, reality doesn't work like that. More like Day one AI appears, but 99.9999% of all trucks have not converted yet. The conversion process takes a few years for all truck to be retrofitted. No one has enough money to convert all trucks all at once. The teamsters union (largest and most powerful union in the US), sees this, implements a nationwide strike until the conversion stops shutting down all food delivery across the country. The government declares marshall law and uses the army for food dispersement. A few days later with newly enacted laws against driveless trucks food delivery stars up again.

    2. Re:1.9 million truckers by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Ohhhh boy, here we go again
      tell me, by how many years before the end of the horse drawn carriage were buggy makers out of business?
      There will be mass layoffs with demands on the remaining truckers to be every bit as cheap as the machines.
      Starting IMMEDIATELY the first major carrier goes driverless.
      Hiring and firing are always done on news of the future.
      This is why we still have coal miners...their lives are cheaper than the machines to replace them.

  33. Yep, still years away from a True Scotsman. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2

    Driving is repetitive, boring, and uncreative? You should show up in some of the autonomous-vehicle threads and use that statement to confront the "machines will never be able to share the road with humans" crowd.

    I'm pretty sure that human brains are no less "clockwork" than any of the things you mention -- just with more complex works, that are perhaps less reliable/predictable due to their implementation.

    As far as the "universality" of the "human algorithm", well, greater human minds than mine have foundered on that question. How would you go about proving that there is nothing a human mind can't learn? At least, without falling into circular arguments ("since humans can't do that, it's not really learning")?

    1. Re:Yep, still years away from a True Scotsman. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      How would you go about proving that there is nothing a human mind can't learn?

      Computational irreducibility

  34. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to see it from the perspective of business types: In their experience, humans learn and repeat. What they see in a self driving car is the same intelligence they see in people. It's really an indictment of the MBA mindset.

  35. 'AI' is just media hype, no such thing exists yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says it all. The media has taken up the term 'AI' and turned it into just more useless hype that really doesn't mean anything like what the dictionary definition says it is, and all this 'machine learning' and algorithms are junk compared to what the human brain is capable of -- and by the way, ask any neuroscientist, we don't even begin to have a clue yet how our brains do the things it can do. Stop calling shit 'AI' already!

  36. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by shadowrat · · Score: 1

    .... before we can say that this is the era of that thing?

    What passes as AI so far is still just all smoke and mirrors.

    Yeah, but the shareholders don't want the ceo to declare this the era of smoke and mirrors.

  37. Forget About the Tech CEOs by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    What does the deep learning Era Naming AI think the current era should be called?

  38. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by butchersong · · Score: 1

    Seriously... chat bots are supposed to be the new big thing since wearables didn't really take off. It's all about tech and tech journalism needing something to hype.

  39. Am I a bot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When this question can be answered with a 100% positive "yes", then THAT is the day we can declare this the era of Artificial Intelligence.

  40. Predictions are hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Predictions are hard, especially about the future.

    I'm reminded of the Human Genome project, which are 7 years was 10% complete. "Too long," cried those who think linearly, "It will take 700 years!" But it only took another 7 years, because change -- especially technological change, happens exponentially.

    As soon as we're 1/10 the way there, it will only be another 7 years.

    1. Re:Predictions are hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was mapping the human genome. Understanding it in all its complexity does not lend itself to such exponential trends. Not every problem lends itself nicely to throwing faster hardware at it.

  41. a tech conservative viewpoint by rdelsambuco · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting for the era of 3D printing, the era of 3D television, and the era of the internet of things before I get on board the era of AI.

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  42. Ai is way easier than you're led to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all you had was the ability to sense its surroundings in 3d, and recognize a couple objects, then goal oriented tasks could be done. We could have AI robots in 5-15 years if a corporation wants it. Check out www.botcraft.biz for my ai page. This dates back to 2002, but I rarely update, nothing much has changed other than Kinect came out which is a toy.

  43. MadLibs approach to coding! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    Isn't that how it works today?

  44. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... before we can say that this is the era of that thing?

    What passes as AI so far is still just all smoke and mirrors.

    Exactly. I'd called it "cargo cult A.I."

  45. Nope. Just advanced Expert Machines. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardly AI.
    What we have now is just advanced expert machines that are connected to the wealth of generic information on the internet, with voice recognition on top.
    Very impressive work by all teams working on these systems.
    Collectively we've done amazing things on these expert machines, but they are still quite dumb.
    It is similar to saying humans are in the space age.
    We've taken mere baby steps, impressive huge baby steps, but still baby steps.

    With newer experimental works, like Google TensorFlow and other accelerators in hardware, it will begin to open a new age of systems that might lead to AI in the future.
    Even though computers can do trillions of advanced computations, it's still barely a rats level of throughput. (And that's a simplistic brain model at that)

    Most of the brain is redundancy simply due to plasticity and how neurons communicate, and it is limited in power because of energies sake. Biology tends to low-power like the rest of existence.
      Computers don't need that overhead or limitation.
    We will get there eventually. 20-40 years for sure. Unless we blow each other up over oil or hurt feelings again.

  46. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > needing something to hype. What about 3D TVs?

    Oh, wait....

  47. Mimicking AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we please call it what it is and not AI. When systems use intelligent sensors or programs are written to efficiently take advantage of data this is not AI. I think we should differentiate between well designed programming and AI. We should call it AAI or artificial artificial intelligence.

  48. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What passes as AI so far is still just all smoke and mirrors.

    Why do you hate progress?

    I see nothing there suggesting he hates progress. What he appears to hate is the bullshit that dribbles out of many of these CEO types mouths. We are not much closer to artificial "INTELLIGENCE" than we were 50 years ago and certainly it is not within site for this generation of people (I did my masters on Artificial intelligence and expert systems). What we have now is computers, databases and programs that can run fast enough due to the huge amount of horse power behind them that for many tightly constrained and constructed scenario's the average user can't tell the computer still has Zero self awareness or awareness of the world and is still just a large calculator that deals purely in 1's and 0's.

  49. Re:'AI' is just media hype, no such thing exists y by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    My TI-94a calculator has AI. It can multiply 2 8-digt numbers in a millisecond. Can you do that? It is smarter than you.

  50. Tech CEOs Declare This the Era of Artificial Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    umm I thought this was the american age - intelligently designed stupidity !

  51. stupid lazy AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After thousands of years we cannot even cure a cold...oh ya we are so smart we can invent intelligence? HAHAHAHAHHA, only people outside the industry would believe a lie so bold it is obviously a lie. We have an AI machine at work "learning".....for 2 years now.....it has learned nothing, can do nothing, has no intelligence of any kind. It can only respond to questions that are logical, mathematical. I have said it before and I will keep saying.....want to blow up AI, ask it about the nature of love, or hate....just pick any human emotion and then reject any "definition" the AI gives and keep asking.....what is the nature of love? My boss wont let me ask our AI system this question, he knows it will fail. He wants to ask questions like "what will the weather be tomorrow?" and he thinks the dumb machine is "smart" and can answer! DUH, get a clue people. Computers are like hammers, they do our bidding and they do nothing without our bidding.....nothing.

    1. Re:stupid lazy AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would think that curing balding would happen way before human level AI. We haven't even managed that yet.

  52. What kind of intelligence by Livius · · Score: 1

    Everyone assumes artificial intelligence means a human-line consciousness of above-average intelligence.

    I think it more likely that artificial intelligence would start with the intelligence of a worm or a mouse, and then work its way up from there.

    Now, these humbler creatures *do* have intelligence and an ability to learn to *some* degree, and except for the very simplest of cases, we don't understand what intelligence even *is* in these situations, much less being ready to duplicate it in software.

    There are lots of things that can be intelligent within a narrow scope and still be far less than a human-like or even mouse-like consciousness. This I believe is the fundamental reason that we are so much farther away from actual artificial intelligence like we see in movies than people think. Eventually, we'll get there, but it's still a long way off.

  53. code monkeys by tombak · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of people here dont seem to understand deep learning. It is NOT a database lookup and it is NOT memorizing data. This is a major shift in how pattern recognition works. Of course, it is not "AI" as in general purpose intelligence, it is still just recognizing faces and speeches. It's just a very effective tool.
    H

  54. Time to kill it. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Since it won't be used to help humanity, but to remove work faster than it is replaced, kill it.

    --
    Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
  55. Any useful real-world app today? by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

    Not sure how AI is impacting my life today. Siri/voice recognition, I guess its' not even AI; but even if it is, it's not greatly enhancing my life. When steam-engine or electricity was discovered, they greatly enhanced human life (replace horse driven carts, electric motors to pump water). Any real world AI application that can help me today? the only thing I saw that I played with a few times is image recognition in google-photos (it was good/impressive). May be the self-driving vehicles could be a real application (the ones like beating a human in chess/go are not really enhancing someone's life compared to the steam-engines/electricity)

  56. deep neural nets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two major problems with deep neural nets: first, while the results look extremely promising, their operation is just as opaque as the biological neurons they were designed from, so a deep neural net can translate languages but we still don't know how it works. Second, in order to train these deep networks to perform new tasks, there is a labor intensive processes of creating the learning materials which can be used to train the networks. If you look around you will discover that a great amount of effort already goes into trying to educate children, it is already a contentious field with a number of fads and trends and the results are highly variable. So we don't understand how the networks work, and we have to spend a lot of effort creating training materials to make the networks smarter. Why should this problem become a priority over the education of biological children, which present the EXACT SAME SET OF PROBLEMS?

  57. "knowing" is not something required by CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want my CEO to know jack shit, I just want them to pump up that stock price.

    Oh, Elon! You shouldn't have!

  58. With no general AI in sight by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    Right?

    What we have now is various AI networks/algorithms/etc which cannot reason, cannot really use memory (in a sense how human beings do that) and which are less "intelligent" than earthworms with three hundred neurons.

    Which automatically begs a question: if a creature with 300 neurons is more intelligent than our intelligent algorithms then maybe we still light years away from implementing proper AI, aka general AI.

    For some reasons media has conflated AI to general AI, but these two things are a hundred orders of magnitude different.

  59. Microsoft and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft, which was absent from the event, is also working on bots and AI technologies. One company that is seemingly off the picture is Apple.

    The entirety of Microsoft Windows is a botnet. It is Global Mother Fucking Spyware.

    Apple has their own gay way.

    http://i.imgur.com/dUk9aen.jpg
    http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9401563/iphone-6s-teardown-ram-confirmed-2gb
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3582640/Open-sewers-mildewed-walls-one-toilet-FORTY-people-Shocking-pictures-dirty-dormitories-Apple-s-iPhone-workers-live-like-animals.html

    There is no such thing as a trustworthy homosexual.

    1. Re:Microsoft and Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9179991&cid=52224549

      http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22322-upgrade-windows-10-update-enable-disable-windows-7-8-1-a.html

      https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

      http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/

      http://distrowatch.com/

      https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds

      https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html

      Windows 10 Global Mother Fucking Spyware makes it game-only. You can multi-boot Linux a lot of ways and you have access to way more and way better software. You can also boot Android x86 on your PC/laptop. See distrowatch.com

      Avoid Ubuntu/Redhat/Fedora unless you like Microsoft-like dickmoves. Wise guru types ditched Redhat after 7.3. Cunts.

      http://portableapps.com/news/new

      If you use anything on Windows you should look for portable versions. They don't mess up your "precious fragile registry". No install, just shortcut to executable. For the most part those portable apps are all available on Linux/BSD. Most are ported from Linux world. If you haven't started using Linux already you are very slow minded. Android is Linux too.

      Apple is also punk shit. There is no such thing as a trustworthy homosexual.
      http://i.imgur.com/oll9Cp6.jpg

  60. Emphasis on "artificial", quotes on "intelligence" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The AI that's all the rage doesn't aid our understanding much.

    Tensory McTensorFace

  61. Yes, the intelligence is artificial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stupidity is real. If it's anything like of the phone bots that understand complete sentences yet have screwed me three times over the past week with inaccurate information, I'll pass.

  62. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice strawman there, but sooo conspicuous.

  63. Artificial Intelligence-Based Education by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    I keep coming back to natural language compression prizes. The best hope we have of ameliorating human stupidity and ignorance is computer based education starting with a _neutral_ electronic genius with astronomical verbal intelligence. Verbal intelligence entails the ability to assess the verbal and cognitive character of your audience and modify your speech acts accordingly. The cost of electricity -- about 10 cents per kilowatt hour -- would be vastly lower than the cost of transferring benevolent _natural_ geniuses with high verbal intelligence into educational roles. Moreover, the exponential character of Moore's Law, combined with the history of bad general artificial intelligence theory that is finally giving way to mathematical rigor, offers an enormous potential for computer aided education in the near future -- if natural language compression is seen as the critical metric for "friendly AI" it is under such rigor. http://prize.hutter1.net/

    1. Re:Artificial Intelligence-Based Education by garote · · Score: 1

      There are a whole lot of problems to be solved before that future comes into view, some of them problems with human nature. Young people don't wanna waste time chatting with Mr. Roboto The Professor Of Science. They want to eat, run around, and have sex. You want to install higher values in them, that's gonna take parents. I assume the next natural step is to clamor for a Mr. Parento, The Electronic Father Figure, and do away with all this boring parenting crap too.

      Then in another 200 years we can have all our robot overlords smashed to bits by angry rebels. The movie will star Jennifer Lawrence's great great great granddaughter and be called "We Don't Need No Education"!

  64. Re:Don't we have to, you know... *HAVE* something. by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I think that what passes for HUMAN intelligence is just all smoke and mirrors.

  65. See also: by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 1

    See also the Gartner Hype Cycle -- "the peak of inflated expectations", right before "the trough of disillusionment".