It makes no difference _one bit_ to the application whether the file format is in text or binary as long as it has a library to parse that format.
There has to be a program that takes a file format and converts it into a format the program can use. Then the program takes this and say renders it. Are you suggesting that we skip the first step, and instead make the file basically a raw dump of memory? Then when you want to read in the data you just dump it back into memory.
This will work, but unfortunetly lacks flexibility. If you have a version mismatch between the program and the dumped-data then it will go spectacly wrong because the data structures would have to be exactly the same. If you change your processor then it will go wrong unless the alignment etc is exactly the same. If you upgrade any libraries it will go wrong.
There are indeed some places where you can use this however - emacs is a good example. This is what the precompiled.el files are (.elc). Emacs loads in a lisp file, parses it, then does a raw memory dump back to disk. Then when it next needs the.el file, instead of parsing it, it just dumps the file back into memory. Note that you still keep around the.el incase anything changes. (.el files are programs, but in lisp data files are programs)
As other people have pointed, it has the advantage over cabling that people won't dig it up and try to steal the copper. (it might not have copper, but they don't know that)
They had to do it..NET was NOT designed for functional languages. They tried to add on supported with something called idx
However when they came to try to port something like haskal over to it, they found it just wouldn't fit(See page 18) so they had to make do with a sort of bridge instead.
So what I think they've done is taken a functional language, taken out the features that don't fit well with.net (untyped terms?) and called it a "feature":)
I'm way out of my depth on this though - hopefully by providing links someone cleverer than me will correct me.
Hmm.. nope still don't get it. You could just as easily have a generic tool to output a binary file instead of a plain text file.
What do you mean by the application having to do all the work? Do you mean as opposed to libraries - if so you just said that we use plain text files so we use generic libraries..
When something like this kills off a large percentage of cells, say even 99%, I always wonder why 1% survive - are they resistent somehow? Or the toxins can't reach those particular cells? Or what?
Uh there are many many documents on lisp on the web along with studies that show that using lisp can speed up development. (actually they only show that people that use lisp devel faster - there can be other reasons why this relationship exists other than direct causality.)
I don't understand your point. Sure there are many file formats that are turing complete - pdf, etc along with the data files that come with just about every game, but I don't understand what this hsa to do with supporting 'an anti-binary bias'?
I agree with what you say. However if you want to get technical, as far as I can see it there is no such thing as ambient light in the real world. it was made up for games so there could be light that "just exists", as opposed to trying to model the real world with a sun and stars and a full global illumination model.
If you are good your reputation will just follow you. I've never been rejected - not once. In interviews if I'm asked whether I can do something, I generally say "well I can't do " - that gives the impression I know the area very well (although only if I'm sure I can follow through with any questions they ask about that area - but before you go to any interview you basically know what areas they are going to ask, and can brush up anyway. Most programmers can learn a new language a day.)
The funny thing about this is that I'm not better or cleverer then the others, its just that I have more experience on my cv, which in turn gets me into good jobs which in turn gives me an even better looking cv, and so on.
Remember things aren't always that clear cut. If you read the article it says that people were saying that girls just wouldn't be any good at maths, and should stick to arts. And now girls are outperforming guys.
When I was younger (14 or so) I would go into jobs being very un-modest, and try to impress them with what I know. To some extent this worked, and I got quite a lot of jobs out it.
Because of this I can now take another approach - that of being modest - in interviews, because I let my cv talk for me.
Modesty is something you have to judge very carefully when to use and when not to use. It can be a very powerful way of boasting if you play it right.
> So long as there's a bunch of anti-abortion >pro-war shitheads who have nothing better to do >than to fuck about in their neighbors business and >vote for people who pass laws pissing all over the > Constitution
After reading what you said, I was getting ready to be angry at the movie. I watched it, and must say I thought it was very well done, and didn't quite see it in the same way you did - they said several times (well showed clips..) that the problem was that it was going to appear to be christians vs muslims, and that people would equate the war on terror as war on muslims.
I hate to over anaylse it, but perhaps it was trying to show that this is how people see it, and they weren't trying to put a particular view across.
I was thinking some more on what I said about being afraid at the notion of the universe not existing in the same way as I exist.
Some people believe in a God, and believe they have been put here to do his will and help others. This gives them a purpose in life. Likewise I hold a belief that everyone else exists in the same way as I do. This gives me a purpose in life - to do something to benefit the human race and make others happier. Imagine the converse - Imagine that when I die, the universe ceases existing (this can actually be quite a plausible theory if you consider there being an infinite number of universes, and I when I do something I am merely moving between universes - ones which are identical except in one I blinked a second ago, for example - anyway, way off here..). A universe that ceases existing when I die, and nobody else being alive, everybody else being like characters in a book, would render my life utterly pointless.
Given that I cannot say for 100% which is the case, the next step for me is perhaps to decide the pro's and con's of both. I (and everyone else) looses in every case except the case where I believe everyone else exists and they do exist. Therefore I should believe everyone else exists.
A similiar argument could of course be made for a god, and a heaven and hell, and aliens that are going to kill me if I ever utter a certain word..
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It makes no difference _one bit_ to the application whether the file format is in text or binary as long as it has a library to parse that format.
There has to be a program that takes a file format and converts it into a format the program can use. Then the program takes this and say renders it.
Are you suggesting that we skip the first step, and instead make the file basically a raw dump of memory? Then when you want to read in the data you just dump it back into memory.
This will work, but unfortunetly lacks flexibility. If you have a version mismatch between the program and the dumped-data then it will go spectacly wrong because the data structures would have to be exactly the same. If you change your processor then it will go wrong unless the alignment etc is exactly the same. If you upgrade any libraries it will go wrong.
There are indeed some places where you can use this however - emacs is a good example. This is what the precompiled
Hmm, not OS unfortunetly. I wouldn't want to do any major coding in something with no OS implementation..
As other people have pointed, it has the advantage over cabling that people won't dig it up and try to steal the copper. (it might not have copper, but they don't know that)
Damn, another 75m and we'd only need 10 repeaters to reach the moon ;)
I thought I found someone that let you do literacy programming in MS Word - but it wasn't as cool as I hoped. What you did was:
.NET and compare the output to your actual implementation and check the fit.
* In word you type your high level runable specification and document it in literacy programming style.
* Then you convert the word document to an xml programming language.
* Then run the xml in
I really hope the MS people don't beat us to a decent literacy programming ui.
Right.. Thank you for a 100% accurate but totally offtopic reply. Go read what the AC was claiming, and what I was challenging.
However when they came to try to port something like haskal over to it, they found it just wouldn't fit(See page 18) so they had to make do with a sort of bridge instead.
So what I think they've done is taken a functional language, taken out the features that don't fit well with .net (untyped terms?) and called it a "feature" :)
I'm way out of my depth on this though - hopefully by providing links someone cleverer than me will correct me.
Hmm.. nope still don't get it. You could just as easily have a generic tool to output a binary file instead of a plain text file.
What do you mean by the application having to do all the work? Do you mean as opposed to libraries - if so you just said that we use plain text files so we use generic libraries..
Can you be more verbose and give an example?
When something like this kills off a large percentage of cells, say even 99%, I always wonder why 1% survive - are they resistent somehow? Or the toxins can't reach those particular cells? Or what?
I was looking for a way to do a lot of XML processing in a lisp like language. Any suggestions other than this?
Just for a few examples of where a lisp-like language is used - just about any game, AI, knowledge based systems, etc.
Uh there are many many documents on lisp on the web along with studies that show that using lisp can speed up development. (actually they only show that people that use lisp devel faster - there can be other reasons why this relationship exists other than direct causality.)
I was surprised by your comment - I didn't think xslt was powerful enough. But a second of googling showed it is indeed turing complete.
I don't understand your point. Sure there are many file formats that are turing complete - pdf, etc along with the data files that come with just about every game, but I don't understand what this hsa to do with supporting 'an anti-binary bias'?
And they all taste something like, but not quite, like chicken.
I agree with what you say.
However if you want to get technical, as far as I can see it there is no such thing as ambient light in the real world. it was made up for games so there could be light that "just exists", as opposed to trying to model the real world with a sun and stars and a full global illumination model.
Read the other reply to my post as well :)
If you are good your reputation will just follow you. I've never been rejected - not once.
In interviews if I'm asked whether I can do something, I generally say "well I can't do " - that gives the impression I know the area very well (although only if I'm sure I can follow through with any questions they ask about that area - but before you go to any interview you basically know what areas they are going to ask, and can brush up anyway. Most programmers can learn a new language a day.)
The funny thing about this is that I'm not better or cleverer then the others, its just that I have more experience on my cv, which in turn gets me into good jobs which in turn gives me an even better looking cv, and so on.
Remember things aren't always that clear cut. If you read the article it says that people were saying that girls just wouldn't be any good at maths, and should stick to arts. And now girls are outperforming guys.
Speaking of modesty..
When I was younger (14 or so) I would go into jobs being very un-modest, and try to impress them with what I know. To some extent this worked, and I got quite a lot of jobs out it.
Because of this I can now take another approach - that of being modest - in interviews, because I let my cv talk for me.
Modesty is something you have to judge very carefully when to use and when not to use. It can be a very powerful way of boasting if you play it right.
Perhaps they were just having some fun.
> So long as there's a bunch of anti-abortion
>pro-war shitheads who have nothing better to do
>than to fuck about in their neighbors business and
>vote for people who pass laws pissing all over the
> Constitution
I think you just proved his point.
After reading what you said, I was getting ready to be angry at the movie. I watched it, and must say I thought it was very well done, and didn't quite see it in the same way you did - they said several times (well showed clips..) that the problem was that it was going to appear to be christians vs muslims, and that people would equate the war on terror as war on muslims.
I hate to over anaylse it, but perhaps it was trying to show that this is how people see it, and they weren't trying to put a particular view across.
Calm down dude. Perhaps if you expressed your point with less swear words, and in a more intelligent manor..
Oh no, bright flashes observed from mars?
Oh wait, the moon, thank god.
Thanks for the reply.
I was thinking some more on what I said about being afraid at the notion of the universe not existing in the same way as I exist.
Some people believe in a God, and believe they have been put here to do his will and help others. This gives them a purpose in life. Likewise I hold a belief that everyone else exists in the same way as I do. This gives me a purpose in life - to do something to benefit the human race and make others happier.
Imagine the converse - Imagine that when I die, the universe ceases existing (this can actually be quite a plausible theory if you consider there being an infinite number of universes, and I when I do something I am merely moving between universes - ones which are identical except in one I blinked a second ago, for example - anyway, way off here..). A universe that ceases existing when I die, and nobody else being alive, everybody else being like characters in a book, would render my life utterly pointless.
Given that I cannot say for 100% which is the case, the next step for me is perhaps to decide the pro's and con's of both. I (and everyone else) looses in every case except the case where I believe everyone else exists and they do exist. Therefore I should believe everyone else exists.
A similiar argument could of course be made for a god, and a heaven and hell, and aliens that are going to kill me if I ever utter a certain word..